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Aussie Skier
08-23-2004, 11:15 AM
Do they actually mean anything?
I mean, they are effectively handed to a wrestler by the federation.
Sometimes its for being the best wrestler in the company. The likes of Chris Benoit, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle. Sometimes its for being the most/least popular wrestler in the company, such as the Undertaker, hogan, macho man, rock, austin.....and sometimes, its purely for storyline reasons.
the WWE championship belt is usually not for storyline reasons. Maybe Bob Backlund's win in 1994 was, along with Jericho's itle reign that never happened, but for the most part, its for service to the sport (entertainment.)
However, belts like the cruiserweight championship (handed to women (no offence), old men (no offence) etc...), who hoenstly cares who has this belt now. To me, it seems to have lsot alot of ligitamacy.
anywayz, jsut wondering about other ppl's opinions of championship belts
Right now, the only titles that mean shit are the two world titles and the US and IC titles... The Cruserweight title has the potential, but with WWE's/Vince's Cruserweight-ites, it most likely will never be where it should be...
The IC title had been in a slump really until Orton picked it up, bringing it up a few notches... Now that it's off Orton, I dunno where it will go... It will either be a great title, or it will go back in a slump until a worthy mid carder-upper mid carder picks it up again... Edge is fine, but he doesnt have the zing that Orton did IMHO...
The US title has been pretty much the biggest thing on SmackDown!, aside from the WWE title... It's garnering great feuds, and it actually means something... It's pretty important on SmackDown!...
The World titles are pretty much the biggest titles, obviously... They are (FINALLY) giving it to people who deserve it... I'm not saying JBL deserved it, but Eddie did, and quite frankly, JBL isnt doing a bad job as champion... On the WHC side of things, we've had two up and comming champions so far, Randy and Benoit... Sooner or later it WILL be going back to Hunter, but I think that he MAY be finally seeing the point in giving it to younger guys... It still remains to be seen, however, if he will take the title and hog it with his friends agian, or if he will actually put people over who need to be put over...
The tag titles on both shows are in a slump... The tag division pretty much sucks right now... Once they get a good tag division going, then we can see how well the Tag titles hold up... Right now on Raw, we've got Rhyno and Tajiri going for the belts, and on SmackDown! we have London and Kidman as champions... It's a start, but far away from what they used to be...
As far as the Women's title goes, well that was always a filler title to give the girls something to do other than shake their thang...
Loose Cannon
08-23-2004, 11:32 AM
^^Yeah, the two World Titles and the Middle Titles are the only ones wotrh anything right now.
Aussie Skier
08-23-2004, 11:35 AM
As far as the Women's title goes, well that was always a filler title to give the girls something to do other than shake their thang...
HAHAHAH
how i'd love to see you write that on a feminist website site.
:D :D
HAHAHAH
how i'd love to see you write that on a feminist website site.
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Sad thing is, the only other thing for them to do than wrestle is shake it... Besides Miss Jackie, there arent even anymore female managers/valets...
Aussie Skier
08-23-2004, 12:22 PM
Out of 100.
1. Raw Heavyweight : 91 - strongest since the six man HIAC
2. S'down Heavyweight: 81 - Has been good of late. WOuld have liked a Benoit run in between angle's, BS and Brock tho.
3. US Title : 80 - Focus of Smackdwon show at the moment.
4. IC Title : 76 - The belt on Edge seems kinda strange. Someone like Batista, Jericho, Benjamin (if he wasnt injured) would be better. Shame that Edge got the belt from Orton too.
5. Smackdown Tag : 65 - Has been stronger than Raw's tag belts for ages now. Teams like Holly and Gunn, Chavo and Noble, London and Kidman, Dudleyz and Rico and Haas seem to me to be making this blt look a bit stronger now.
6. Cruiserweight : 63 - after the horrible reigns of the past few months, is slowly getting back to where it as (and could be.) Although, two words still spring to mind.....OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH CHAVO! :)
7. Womens : 51 - let me get this straight. The title holder, has a broken hand?....that is all.
8. Raw Tag : 50 - La Resistance are doing great right now. I just wish they'd get some other challenges out there again. gone are the days of the hardyz, E & C, Dudleyz, Headshrinkers, New age outlaws...tajiri and rhyno might add something tho...maybe
diamondcutter
08-23-2004, 10:30 PM
I'd say that the World Heavyweight and United States titles mean alot right now (funny that the meaningful ones in WWE have a history in WCW).
The WWE Championship was meaningful when Eddie and Brock had it. But it's suffering from, among other things, representing what's widely treated as a WWE B-Show.
I don't see the IC Belt as very important right now, either. It doesn't appear that Edge really cares about whether or not he's the champion---which is one of the things that irritate me about wrestling sometimes. I'm not Randy Orton or Triple H's biggest fan, but when they held titles, they'd always mention how important it is to them. Even little things to me count, like how a wrestler carries a belt to the ring. I didn't like how Austin, Rock, and Nash, would drag the world title down an entrance ramp. It made it seem like they couldn't have cared less about the belt.
Transplant
08-23-2004, 11:56 PM
The WWE cant do anything with the tag belts. They need more actual tag teams rather than Bill from down the road and my best mate, Frank. But the thing is that they cant. BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING YEAR THEY SWAP THE ROSTERS ROUND A BIT. The extension and trades have gotten rid of heaps of good teams. Dudleyz, La Res (its just not the same without Rene), WGTT, they were all good tag teams...and then they spilt.
If they wanna give credibility to either tag titles, they're gonna have to back to the drawing board in OVW and create tag teams there, instead of creating them randomly on WWE TV.
ColdwaVer
08-24-2004, 02:03 AM
As far as the tag division goes, they need to go back to the days of the original Hart Foundation, Demolition, LOD, the Rockers, the Bushwhackers, etc; as in pairs of guys with the same gimmick who are never without each other, and only have singles matches against other tag teams. They should never win singles belts, and be together for a good long time before splitting up. Hastily sandwiched pairs seldom work as actual tag teams, and should really be kept out of the tag title picture.
Tornado
08-24-2004, 10:07 AM
The tag belts where the strongest when WGTT and Los Guerreros where around, but then they had to go and break those teams up....I suppose for the better good..(for Eddie at least).
SuperSlim
08-24-2004, 10:25 AM
I miss the old tag division with The Outlaws. My fav. tag team. so commical and seemed to be the team to never break up then they did... Came back together and it was all cool.
Now we got teams that noone really cares for.
But as far as titles go nowadays. World Title means more than it did before. Benoit holdin it really gave it somethin. It showed that 18 years of hard work and dedication really pays. off. One proud moment for that belt at WM XX. Now Orton has it. I still don't believe he's ready for it yet but I'm sure he will serve it well.
IC title. IC title was worthless until Orton picked it up. After that I just liked seein the IC title. Orton made it somethin. It was somethin cool. Somethin that to win would mean somethin. Then Edge had to win it. I really didn't care all thatmuch for Edge's return but for him to be the one to win that IC title from Orton put all that hard work and that extremely long title reign of Orton's go to waste, not completely but almost. Seems like edge could careless.
WWE title, on the waist of Angle, Brock, and Eddie was somethin to behold. Specially when Eddie won it at No Way Out and then retained it at WMXX against Angle. That really meant somethin. Then just seein the WWE Champ and World Champ in the ring with their belts. Somethin about that moment really elevated those titles. After JBL won it I was like man this is crap. I never really liked the whole JBL character just cause it's him.
U.S. title. It has some value to it. Cena did good with it. I don't know how Booker is gonna do though. Although I never really liked his style in the ring cause it looks straight weak.
Cruiserweight: Oh yeah Spike's champ. I forgot. I dunno what to say about it. It holds a little but not much since back then when there were actual real battles for it.
Women's title: On Trish it means nothing. On Victoria, Molly, Jazz, it means something. At least those three can really deliver a good match. Trish really still cant. Lita is alright but not in their league. Gail Kim? I'll just leave it at that.
Tag titles on Raw: La Res has the belts. Who cares? Rhyno and Tajiri are goin for the belts. Semi interesting. Only to me cause those two were in ECW and now they are teamin up. Other than that it wouldn't matter ot me. Raw belts have really been meaningless. I mean when Edge and Benoit held the tag belts it had somethin since the World champ was holdin half but after that nothin. I mean the Dudley's held them and they are stagnant and boring now which leads me to the..
SmackDown! titles: Kidman and London hold it. They are trying but with the stench of The Dudleys on those belts hurts it. I mean The only reason the Dudleys even held those belts was cause those were the only belts they haven't won yet. They won ECW, WCW, WWF, WWE, Raw, and SmackDown! tag titles. Wow. :| Until there are real tag teams in both Raw and SmackDown! besides the Dudleys, those belts will not be worth much at all.
Stickman
08-24-2004, 09:50 PM
I think Tag teams should be brand specific instead of having two championships for it.
I don't think the World or WWE Championship mean anything. It's stupid having two World Titles in one company.
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