Official Raw Thread (8/23)

[RemyRed]

Hey if you all think that was bad, just wait till you see how the Sonny Siaki/Desire wedding is gonna go down on NWATNA.

[RGWhat316]

Nah, Billy and Chuck Swerve was Gold.
That ending was better, and it wasn't even the main event.

[Innovator]

The Rock made this night, Rocky and the lugie

[Gone Mad]

MAD enjoyed:

Wall of Fire
Rock's comedy
Eugene's airplane spin

MAD angered by:

Everything I didn't mention!

(And there is a reason why there is 4 pages for that wedding. It was the worst and we watched it all)

[RemyRed]

I don't think the Kane/HBK feud is going to happen. I think he'll either be made ref for the HHH/Orton match or just make a run in and even the match out when Evolution interferes in it (if the HHH/Orton match goes down of course)

[Loose Cannon]

The Orton segment was good. What are you guys complaning about there? I liked it, I just though an RKO was needed.

[Loose Cannon]

I don't think the Kane/HBK feud is going to happen. I think he'll either be made ref for the HHH/Orton match or just make a run in and even the match out when Evolution interferes in it (if the HHH/Orton match goes down of course)

it's 100% happening.

[Quick1]

That was the second weirdist wedding I've every saw.

Good:

The whole wedding was Hilarious
Evolution segment
Some of Rock

Bad:
Every thing else

[Lara Emily]

The Orton segment was good. What are you guys complaning about there? I liked it, I just though an RKO was needed.
Spitting and running off was kind meh, and the referee coming out never came into play so it could have been so much better that it failed IMO.

[I-Hate-You]

So, will Kane and Lita's baby have that weird hairline that starts perfectly halfway back on its head, too?

Lita can't read. She's blowing a promo that's written down on a piece of paper in front of her. Illiteracy has never been funnier.

[Mayo]

The Orton segment was good. What are you guys complaning about there? I liked it, I just though an RKO was needed.Yeah but when DON'T you enjoy a Randy Orton segment? :p

[Lara Emily]

The show sucked and you know why? Not enough HHH, he makes Raw good. HHH is the star he's proven it time and time again.

[road doggy dogg]

I actually watched Raw in its entirety this week. Must say, pretty good show. Still retarded that they cut to the worst commercial breaks though :mad:

[I-Hate-You]

Was Benoit on tonight?

[RemyRed]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-You
So, will Kane and Lita's baby have that weird hairline that starts perfectly halfway back on its head, too?

At least it won't have that Hogan Hairline gene (see Hogan and his nephew Horace). I gotta feeling Hogan's daughter'll be developing that soon.

[Loose Cannon]

I actually watched Raw in its entirety this week. Must say, pretty good show. Still retarded that they cut to the worst commercial breaks though :mad:


See, and this is from a casual fan. That's pretty good to hear.

I would give Raw a B. The only thing I hated was Diva Search

[Lara Emily]

LOL even the intro promo video was dissapointing.

[Lara Emily]

The wedding was so bad it was mildy entertaining. That and wall of fire rules our souls.

[road doggy dogg]

See, and this is from a casual fan. That's pretty good to hear.

I would give Raw a B. The only thing I hated was Diva Search

Huh? I used to watch all the time, I still read all the headlines and shit, so I'm not just a "casual fan".


I thought the Diva Search was fine. I mean, you go into those things expecting them to be pitiful, but Rock made it very entertaining.

[Loose Cannon]

Huh? I used to watch all the time, I still read all the headlines and shit, so I'm not just a "casual fan".


I thought the Diva Search was fine. I mean, you go into those things expecting them to be pitiful, but Rock made it very entertaining.


Yeah, but you don't watch every week. So some things might be new to you. For someone who doesn't watch every week to come on and say this show was good when a lot of people who do watch every week saying it wasn't is a good thing to hear. It might get you watching next week now. Correct? Well maybe not, but it's a good thing to hear that.

[Shaggy]

To be honest Raw pissed me off. There were only two matches the whole show..Sure there was a few things to get acrossed but what made it worst was during the two matches there were commercials. How the hell are you gonna have the only two matches of the night both have commercials in them. That pissed me off alot.

[Loose Cannon]

Like I said I can't wait for the numbers to come in for each segment. I will post them here as soon as I get the Observer. I will be LMAO if the Wedding did good numbers.

[Lara Emily]

LOl watching the replay of Raw, Rock's promo is quite good. Carmella is freaking annoying though. Can't believe they are gonna hire someone who doesn't even care abput the job.

[Quick1]

Lara do you complain about every raw?

[The CyNick]

Pretty bad show tonight, but that was expected with the wedidng crap.

Rock showing up was great, as usual he was money. He made the Divas segment watchable, which I thought was impossible and he sold for La Resistance, God Bless The Rock!

The big story was the Orton angle. I liked the idea with HHH asking him to hand over the title. I loved the luggie, that was some massive stuff right there. However like LC said, they needed an RKO, and I didn't like that Orton ran off. I dont care if they do play it off as being "smart", no babyface I can every remember got over because people sat there and went "what a brilliant tactical manuever, well played ol chap". He should have kicked all their (Evo) asses in one shot. He could've KO'd HHH with the RKO and then have Flair and Batista bump out of the ring for him, and then they could pull Hunter out of the ring while Orton challenges them to come and get some. Thats how you build up a top level babyface. But what do I know, I mean its not like Ive been watching wrestling very long.

Edge-Jericho was pretty bad, what a useless match/finish. Hopefully if they go at the PPV it is better.

Flair-Regal was too long, and how sad is life for Chris Benoit? Remember when he was the "top guy", or a leat pretended to be?

Oh, memo to WWE, two more RAW's till the next PPV....BOOK SOME MATCHES!!!!!!!!!!

[Lara Emily]

Lara do you complain about every raw?
Only when I don't like something. I just complimented the Rock, though why they used him for Diva segement I'll never know.

[Lara Emily]

LOL they are barely eating the pies :D

[Lara Emily]

LOL don't boo her yet :D. Wow Carmella rubs herself with pie with the enthusiam of someone getting an enema.

[The CyNick]

Like I said I can't wait for the numbers to come in for each segment. I will post them here as soon as I get the Observer. I will be LMAO if the Wedding did good numbers.

Weddings usually draw good TV numbers. The theory is that more chicks watch (any chicks here? Did your friends all call you up to watch? No? What a shock!) and thats why the numbers are larger. I'm not sure if this one will follow suit just because the product is so cold right now. But if it works, plans are already in the works for a Torrie Wilson-Hiedenreich wedding.

[Lara Emily]

:| Christy is a few screws short of a toolbox.

[Lara Emily]

Nice little touch by the Rock on the People's elbow. Loved the look at the elbow realise there's no pad so take off your shirt instead thing. Sometimes the small things make a spot that much better.

[Loose Cannon]

The big story was the Orton angle. I liked the idea with HHH asking him to hand over the title. I loved the luggie, that was some massive stuff right there. However like LC said, they needed an RKO, and I didn't like that Orton ran off. I dont care if they do play it off as being "smart", no babyface I can every remember got over because people sat there and went "what a brilliant tactical manuever, well played ol chap". He should have kicked all their (Evo) asses in one shot. He could've KO'd HHH with the RKO and then have Flair and Batista bump out of the ring for him, and then they could pull Hunter out of the ring while Orton challenges them to come and get some. Thats how you build up a top level babyface. But what do I know, I mean its not like Ive been watching wrestling very long.

Yep, that was the scene I was hoping for all week. RKO to HHH, Chair Shots to Batista/Flair "Austin_Style." But Nope. You think they learned something from Austin though.

[road doggy dogg]

Lara why do you even watch, it's painfully obvious that you don't enjoy the show at all. Are you a glutton for punishment or something

[Lara Emily]

Lara why do you even watch, it's painfully obvious that you don't enjoy the show at all. Are you a glutton for punishment or something


Always the slight hope something good will happen.

[Lara Emily]

Nice Promo Video for the Orton/HHH thing, guess the intro one was just a teaser. No matter how bad the product is the promo videos never fail to kick ass.

[The CyNick]

Yep, that was the scene I was hoping for all week. RKO to HHH, Chair Shots to Batista/Flair "Austin_Style." But Nope. You think they learned something from Austin though.

Its wierd and scary at the same time.

Wierd in that this is Hunter's program for the next 7 months, you'd think he'd want to heat up Orton the right way.

And scary because its obvious the people who are writing the television just have no idea how to make a babyface. Maybe someone will watch a Best of Stone Cold, Rock or Hogan and a lightbulb will go off. Maybe when HHH finally turns face.

[Loose Cannon]

But thank god, HHH didn't hit the pedigree on Orton. After Orton spit on him I seriously thought Orton was going to get destroyed...AGAIN.

[Lara Emily]

Its wierd and scary at the same time.

Wierd in that this is Hunter's program for the next 7 months, you'd think he'd want to heat up Orton the right way.

And scary because its obvious the people who are writing the television just have no idea how to make a babyface. Maybe someone will watch a Best of Stone Cold, Rock or Hogan and a lightbulb will go off. Maybe when HHH finally turns face.

Heh Probably.

[Lara Emily]

But thank god, HHH didn't hit the pedigree on Orton. After Orton spit on him I seriously thought Orton was going to get destroyed...AGAIN.

Indeed. I agree with Nick though he should not have been booked to run away.

[RemyRed]

Originally Posted by road doggy dogg
Lara why do you even watch, it's painfully obvious that you don't enjoy the show at all. Are you a glutton for punishment or something

You could apply that to about 90% of the ppl here.

[Loose Cannon]

Its wierd and scary at the same time.

Wierd in that this is Hunter's program for the next 7 months, you'd think he'd want to heat up Orton the right way.

And scary because its obvious the people who are writing the television just have no idea how to make a babyface. Maybe someone will watch a Best of Stone Cold, Rock or Hogan and a lightbulb will go off. Maybe when HHH finally turns face.

Funny how thy Hotshot the whole angle, but wait on the RKO to HHH. :nono:

[Lara Emily]

LOL does anyone realise that this is like two Raws in a row that they don't show Jericho's entrance on TV?

[Lara Emily]

Or did I just happen to miss it?

[Innovator]

you missed it

[Lara Emily]

I take it, it was just before they went to commercial break?

[Innovator]

I'm gonna start offering sacrifices to the alter of Helmsley for the protection of the Canadian Chris(t)s. Who wants to get sacrificed?!?!

[Innovator]

I take it, it was just before they went to commercial break?
right after I think

[Lara Emily]

right after I think

Wow I must have really not paid attention then. All I remember is Edge coming out could have sworn that that was right after the commercial.

[Innovator]

yeah I'm watching it again on tivo, he came out after commercial

[The CyNick]

Funny how thy Hotshot the whole angle, but wait on the RKO to HHH. :nono:

Its like if you watch back some of the old tapes of Austin fighting the Hart Foundation or the Corporation he would almost always battle the odds and just beat the crap out of everyone. Sure some people will resent that style of booking because its not logical, but people dont want to cheer an average guy, they want to cheer someone who is "superhuman". I mean imagine how popular Spiderman would be if he was constantly booked to run away. I can picture the kids at school "You see when Spiderman saw the odds were against him and he took off through the alleyway? Man Spiderman is the coolest, I ant wait to get into a fight so I can run away!!!".

I thought forsure HHH was eating a Pedigree and I was actually epsecting all three guys to get hit with it just to further establish the move.

Even worse is that its likely that Orton will be dropping the title at Unforgiven. They should be bending over backwards to make him this badass babyface killing Evo left and right, then Hunter gets the title by some cheap tactics and then says Orton will never get a shot. People should be hot to see Orton climb the ladder and get another title shot (ie at the Rumble).

But I'm sure they have an equally effective plan.....or do they?

[Average Joe]

Great end, terrible beginning.

Diva shit was 30 minutes uninterrupted, and the 20 minute IC Title match had TWO C-breaks. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out something's wrong. We can see where WWE's priorities lie. It seems to me, anyway, that they're depending on their untrained, (pardon the pun) raw diva wannabes to draw TV audiences as opposed to their contracted talent, which is wrong for more than one reason.

Rock came back and did his thing. Just like the last time he was on, he was hit and miss. Funny at times, tried too hard at others. Still worth having on a show, however. The Tag Title picture, at least, got pushed in the diva segment.

I'm liking where the IC Title picture is going. Although I didn't like the match simply because of its overbooking of swerves. Unless they plan on expaning on this lack of referee ineptitude, tonight's match was near-pointless.

Evolution / Orton segment: Great. Sure, it seems weird to have Orton use Evolution's theme, but I like him with it. I'm conflicted. Trips promo was well written and Orton's actions and expressions were enough to sell the feud and the conflict. No words were needed. The segment was very well executed. As was the skit after that. Nice to see Vickytoria on TV, even for a few seconds. And Trips is a super HEEL.

Flair can't wrestle anymore. They should stop putting him in matches. He gets heat, sure, but he can't go more than 5 minutes in the ring. Nice finish though.

And the whole wedding scene: Perfection. Could not have been better. From Kane's theme orchastrated, to the midgets, the black dress, the vows, the bible passage, Trish's interruption, and, of course, THE WALL OF FIRE, this whole segment blew away the 90 minutes of show they had before it. And lastly, that was a sick spot by Matt Hardy (the chokeslam off the stage through the tables, not the Twist of Fate on the floor).

If there were no divas, this would get a 10 out of 10. But sadly, "my ass is hungry" is inexcusable, as is that whole "challenge Carmella to a match whilst eating pie" thing. WTF are these bitches thinking. THE ROCK SAYS EAT PIE, YOU EAT PIE. SHUT YOUR HOLE AND EAT IT. DON'T JUST STARE AT IT, EAT IT. So I give it a 9.

And some other points of information:

Did it seem like the concept of death got mentioned a lot tonight? I must've counted it at least 3 times.

Think the WWE will catch shit about Rock's weed reference? He did say it relatively early in the show, like around 9:15.

Lots of people I know have made this mistake, so I might as well clarify here: Jericho was born in Manhassett, NY. Not Manhattan. Manhassett is a town on Long Island, about 20 minutes or so east of NYC. Ironically, there's a road on Long Island named Jericho Turnpike. About 50 miles long or so.

[The CyNick]

Yeah I thought Rock's little sperm bank shout out was a little worse than the weed reference, but I did think it was odd he said that stuff. Probably just did it on his own, but who is really going to say anything?

[Lara Emily]

Orton should ask for the rights to the name Evolution be put on the line for his match at Unforgiven.

[RemyRed]

I was surprised when he said that bit about the divas getting wet.

[Lara Emily]

I was surprised when he said that bit about the divas getting wet.Why it's not the first time he's said it.

[V]

i remember when he said it to lillian.. lmao

[Lara Emily]

You know HHH could have asked nicely for the belt. Gimme gimme never gets afterall. A please could have made a world of difference.

[Lara Emily]

LOL the way HHH just tosses Vicky off camera is gold! I shall call it the Cholorofoam grab and toss.

[AareDub]

And the whole wedding scene: Perfection. Could not have been better. From Kane's theme orchastrated, to the midgets, the black dress, the vows, the bible passage, Trish's interruption, and, of course, THE WALL OF FIRE, this whole segment blew away the 90 minutes of show they had before it. And lastly, that was a sick spot by Matt Hardy (the chokeslam off the stage through the tables, not the Twist of Fate on the floor).

You're right it was perfect, however you are wrong about one thing. There is one small thing they could've done to make it just a little bit better. They could've aired that shit on Sunday Night Heat and not wasted a friggin half hour of Raw on it. I would've rather watched a political discussion with Eugene than that wedding.

[Average Joe]

You're right it was perfect, however you are wrong about one thing. There is one small thing they could've done to make it just a little bit better. They could've aired that shit on Sunday Night Heat and not wasted a friggin half hour of Raw on it. I would've rather watched a political discussion with Eugene than that wedding. Are you sure you're not talking about the Diva search?

Because those are the 30 minutes I could've done without.

The wedding was brilliant.

[I-Hate-You]

The Rock says "EAT SOME PIE, YOU STUPID BITCH!"

[Innovator]

I'm a fan of Carmella and all, BUT SHE TURNED HER BACK TO THE ROCK!

In the Roman days you'd be crucified for something like that.

[Innovator]

BTW, take a look at greatness... http://repository.wwe.com/asx/raw/081604orton300.asx

[PorkSoda]

Loose Cannon can't believe he had to suffel...err...suffer a Monday night without an RKO from Orton.

[Joe Kerr]

Lara do you complain about every raw?
No


Just every televised wrestling event :p

[Quick1]

You're right it was perfect, however you are wrong about one thing. There is one small thing they could've done to make it just a little bit better. They could've aired that shit on Sunday Night Heat and not wasted a friggin half hour of Raw on it. I would've rather watched a political discussion with Eugene than that wedding.
No it shouldn't of benn on SNH...the Regal Flair match should have been replaced with "A political discussion with Eugene." and the Y2J/Edge should have been replaced with the "Highlight reel with Mic foley, oprah and trish stratus in a wheel barrow" AKA Y2Js dream highlight reel.

[Innovator]

The wedding was played right I think. Everyone knew it was ridiculous and they made it ridiculous. They had midgets which always makes for good TV, Kane in a white tux, Kane being the man.

Only sad thing was the cowardice of Matt Hardy, did you guys see him jump through those tables?

[Lara Emily]

No


Just every televised wrestling event :p

Hardly. I loved SUmmerslam, mind you I was there live :D. But I loved it still when I watched it on TV on Friday.

[Corkscrewed]

I think the wedding segment will go down in history as among the funniest unintentional comedy segments in history, right beside Shockmaster's debut.

[Quick1]

Only sad thing was the cowardice of Matt Hardy, did you guys see him jump through those tables?
And the twist of fate kane didn't even hit the mat.

[Innovator]

yeah and matt's head bounced off the ground, he hurt himself.....hes been around Lita too much

[Quick1]

What was up with litas "I hate you more then life it self"? she is now suicidal.

[Average Joe]

What was up with litas "I hate you more then life it self"? she is now suicidal.
Yep. That was one of the death references on Raw.

Another one was the Trips wiping Orton out of existance speech.