Your NFL predictions.

[YOUR Hero]

From first to last, what do you think the season records will be this year in the NFL?

[The Icon of Elisim]

AFC

East
1. Pats
2. Bills
3. Jets
4. Dolphins

North
1. Bengals
2. Ravens
3. Steelers
4. Browns

South
1. Colts
2. Jaguars
3. Titans
4. Texans

West
1. Chiefs
2. Broncos
3. Raiders
4. Chargers

Wildcard
1. Ravens
2. Jags

NFC

East
1. Eagles
2. Redskins
3. Cowboys
4. Giants

North
1. Vikings
2. Packers
3. Lions
4. Bears

South
1. Panthers
2. Falcons
3. Saints
4. Bucs

West
1. Seahawks
2. Rams
3. Cardinals
4. 49ers

Wildcard
1. Rams
2. Packers

[DaveWadding]

AFC

East
1. Pats
2. Bills
3. Jets
4. Dolphins

North
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Steelers
4. Browns

South
1. Colts
2. Jaguars
3. Titans
4. Texans

West
1. Broncos
2. Chiefs
3. Raiders
4. Chargers

Wildcard
1. Chiefs
2. Jags

NFC

East
1. Eagles
2. Redskins
3. Cowboys
4. Giants

North
1. Vikings
2. Packers
3. Lions
4. Bears

South
1. Panthers
2. Falcons
3. Saints
4. Bucs

West
1. Rams
2. Seahawks
3. 49ers
4. Cardinals

Wildcard
1. Seahawks
2. Packers

[BCWWF]

AFC

East
1. Pats
2. Bills
3. Jets
4. Dolphins

North
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Browns
4. Steelers

South
1. Colts
2. Jaguars
3. Texans
4. Titans

West
1. Chiefs
2. Broncos
3. Raiders
4. Chargers

Wildcard
1. Broncos
2. Jaguars

NFC

East
1. Eagles
2. Redskins
3. Cowboys
4. Giants

North
1. Vikings
2. Packers
3. Lions
4. Bears

South
1. Panthers
2. Falcons
3. Saints
4. Bucs

West
1. Seahawks
2. Rams
3. 49ers
4. Cardinals

Wildcard
1. Falcons
2. Packers

[MoRcHeEbA]

AFC

East
1. Pats
2. Bills
3. Dolphins
4. Jets

North
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Browns
4. Steelers

South
1. Jaguars
2. Texans
3. Colts
4. Titans

West
1. Chiefs
2. Broncos
3. Raiders
4. Chargers

Wildcard
1. Bengals
2. Texans

NFC

East
1. Eagles
2. Redskins
3. Cowboys
4. Giants

North
1. Vikings
2. Lions
3. Packers
4. Bears

South
1. Panthers
2. Saints
3. Falcons
4. Bucs

West
1. Seahawks
2. Cardinals
3. 49ers
4. Rams

Wildcard
1. Lions
2. Saints

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

NFC

NFC EAST
1) PHILADELPHIA EAGLES xyz
2) Washington
3) Dallas
4) New York

NFC North
1) Green Bay x
2) Minnesota *
3) Detriot
4) Chicago

NFC South
1) Carolina x
2) New Orleans
3) Atlanta
4) Tampa Bay

NFC West
1) Seattle x
2) Saint Louis *
3) Arizona
4) San Francisco

x- Division Champ
y- Conference Champ
z- Super Bowl Champ
*- Wild Card
AFC

AFC East
1) New England x
2) Buffalo
3) New York
4) Miami

AFC North
1) Baltimore xy
2) Cincinnati
3) Cleveland
4) Pittsburgh

AFC South
1) Indianapolis x
2) Houston *
3) Jacksonville
4) Tennessee

AFC West
1) Denver x
2) Kansas City *
3) Oakland
4) San Diego

[road doggy dogg]

AFC
East
1. Patriots
2. Jets
3. Bills
4. Dolphins

North
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Steelers
4. Browns

South
1. Colts
2. Texans
3. Titans
4. Jaguars

West
1. Chiefs
2. Broncos
3. Chargers
4. Raiders

NFC
East
1. Eagles
2. Cowboys
3. Redskins
4. Giants

North
1. Packers
2. Vikings
3. Lions
4. Bears

South
1. Saints
2. Buccaneers
3. Panthers
4. Falcons

West
1. Seahawks
2. Rams
3. Cardinals
4. 49ers

[BCWWF]

Lions beating out the Packers Cheeba? That would be awesome :love:

[The Miz]

NFC West
Seattle
St. Louis
Arizona
San Francisco

NFC South
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Atlanta
New Orleans

NFC North
Green Bay
Detroit
Minnesota
Chicago

NFC East
Dallas
Philadelphia
Washington
New York

AFC West
Kansas City
Oakland
Denver
San Diego

AFC South
Indianapolis
Houston
Tennessee
Jacksonville

AFC North
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Pittsburgh

AFC East
New England
New York
Buffalo
Miami

[The Miz]

West
4. Raiders
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[YOUR Hero]

Cool cool...

I was thinking along the lines of

Seattle 14-2
Oakland 9-8
Jets 0-16


Those kind of stats.

[The Miz]

Vikings 16-0 :lol: :lol: :lol: [/DaveWadding]

[The Miz]

Oakland 9-8.
Game Misplacement Chief

[BCWWF]

NFC North
Green Bay
Detroit
Minnesota
Chicago


Do you want to put some money down? :drool:

[YOUR Hero]

Game Misplacement Chief
:o

[YOUR Hero]

...but you get the idea. :$

[road doggy dogg]

Oh, well in that caseeeee

Arizona (5-11)
Atlanta (7-9)
Baltimore (9-7)
Buffalo (6-10)
Carolina (8-8)
Chicago (5-11)
Cincinnati (10-6)
Cleveland (7-9)
Dallas (7-9)
Denver (8-8)
Detroit (7-9)
Green Bay (13-3)
Houston (7-9)
Indianapolis (11-5)
Jacksonville (6-10)
Kansas City (8-8)
Miami (3-13)
Minnesota (11-5)
New England (12-4)
New Orleans (10-6)
New York Giants (5-11)
New York Jets 9-7)
Oakland (4-12)
Philadelphia (10-6)
Pittsburgh (5-11)
San Diego (3-13)
San Francisco (4-12)
Seattle (12-4)
St. Louis (7-9)
Tampa Bay (10-6)
Tennesee (11-5)
Washington (8-8)



I don't knowwwwww didn't look at the schedules or do the math or anything, just general projections of AROUND how I think each team will finish :rant:

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

Road Doggy Dogg:

You should learn how to read the scheludes BEFORE picking the win/loss records...

The Green Bay Packers have NO CHANCE of going 13-3 nor will Tampa Bay hit double digit wins.

Your picks suck.

Stick to the NHL.

[road doggy dogg]

You are a Philadelphia fan.

gg.

[Y2Ant]

pwned

[The Outlaw]

Lions beating out the Packers Cheeba? That would be awesome :love:
You die.:foc:

[road doggy dogg]

Ok well let's see:

Week 1: @ Carolina
Favre always pwns on MNF. GB wins

Week 2: Chicago
... GB wins

Week 3: @ Indianapolis
GB loss

Week 4: New York Giants
KGB will have a field day with their O-line, GB win

Week 5: Tennessee
No Jevon Kearse gives Ahman Green a much better game. Tennessee's got a lot of young guys on the team this year so eh, I'm not too sold on them. Plus it's another MNF game. GB win

Week 6: @ Detroit
Even though I hate it, Favre PWNS the Lions. GB win

Week 7: Dallas
Please. GB win

Week 8: @ Washington
Washington's secondary will do a good job limiting Favre, but Green will have a good game. GB win

Week 9: bye

Week 10: Minnesota
GB and Minnesota will split... GB wins at home though

Week 11: @ Houston
Houston will be good this year, but not THAT good. GB win

Week 12: St. Louis
If Marshall Faulk is healthy and playing like Marshall Faulk at this point in the season, St. Louis has a chance. I don't see that happening, so GB wins this one.

Week 13: @ Philadelphia
By this point Westbrook will either be the real deal, or they'll have traded for a better back. In either case, Philly should have this one. GB loss

Week 14: Detroit
Favre > Detroit's secondary. GB win

Week 15: Jacksonville
I don't know, but Jacksonville hasn't impressed me at all this year. Leftwich needs to prove me wrong. GB win

Week 16: @ Minnesota
See above, GB loss

Week 17: @ Chicago
By this point in the season Chicago will just be thankful the end of the season is over. GB win


There, 13-3



And if/when I'm way off, doesn't matter because I probably won't even be here for anyone to laugh at me :cool:

[slextremely]

AFC

East
1. Pats
2. Bills
3. Jets
4. Dolphins

North
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Browns
4. Steelers

South
1. Colts
2. Titans
3. Texans
4. Jags

West
1. Chiefs
2. Broncos
3. Raiders
4. Chargers

Wildcard
1. Bills
2. Texans

NFC

East
1. Eagles
2. Redskins
3. Cowboys
4. Giants

North
1. Vikings
2. Packers
3. Lions
4. Bears

South
1. Panthers
2. Bucs
3. Falcons
4. Saints

West
1. Seahawks
2. Rams
3. 49ers
4. Cards

Wildcard
1. Rams
2. Packers

[Guest #1]

My Picks are:

AFC East
Patriots:13-3
Bills: 7-9
Dolphins: 7-9
Jets: 5-11

AFC North
Bengals: 8-8
Ravens: 8-8
Steelers: 6-10
Browns: 3-13


AFC South
Colts: 11-5
Titans: 9-7
Texans: 7-9
Jaguars: 5-11


AFC West
Chiefs: 14-2
Broncos: 8-8
Raiders: 4-12
Chargers: 2-14

NFC East
Eagles: 13-3
Redskins: 11-5
Cowboys: 8-8
Giants: 7-9

NFC North
Vikings: 12-4
Packers: 7-9
Bears: 6-10
Lions: 5-11

NFC South
Falcons: 9-7
Saints: 8-8
Panthers: 7-9
Buccaneers: 5-11

NFC West
Seahawks: 10-6
Rams: 8-8
Cardinals: 4-12
49ers: 3-13

Making
AFC byes: Chiefs and Pats

Colts v. Ravens
Bengals v. Titans

NFC byes: Eagles and Vikings

Seahawks v. Saints
Falcons v. Redskins

My prognostication skills are well known so if you want lots of money, bet against these picks.

[Gonzo]

AFC North:
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Steelers
4. Browns

AFC South:
1. Colts
2. Titans
3. Jags
4. Texans

AFC East:
1. Patriots
2. Jets
3. Bills
4. Dolphins

AFC West:
1. Chiefs
2. Broncos
3. Raiders
4. Chargers

NFC North:
1. Packers
2. Vikings
3. Bears
4. Lions

NFC South:
1. Panthers
2. Saints
3. Bucs
4. Falcons

NFC West:
1. Seahawks
2. Rams
3. Cardinals
4. 49er's

NFC East:
1. Eagles
2. Cowboys
3. Redskins
4. Giants :(

Green Bay wins the NFC North because Minnesota will go no where with Tice. They always underachieve.

Panthers win the NFC South, that is pretty much a gimmie, Saints are just like the Vikings.

Pats take the AFC East, after that every division has some pretty good competition.

[VonErich Lives]

AFC

East
1. Pats
2. Bills
3. Dolphins
4. Jets

North
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Browns
4. Steelers

South
1. Colts
2. Texans
3. Jaguars
4. Titans

West
1. Broncos
2. Chiefs
3. Broncos
4. Raiders

NFC

East
1. Eagles
2. Cowboys
3. Redskins
4. Giants

North
1. Packers
2. Lions
3. Vikings
4. Bears

South
1. Saints
2. Bucs
3. Panthers
4. Falcons

West
1. Rams
2. Seahawks
3. Cardinals
4. 49ers

[el fregadero]

AFC

East
1. Pats
2. Bills
3. Jets
4. Dolphins

North
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Browns
4. Steelers

South
1. Jaguars
2. Colts
3. Titans
4. Texans

West
1. Chiefs
2. Broncos
3. Chargers
4. Raiders


NFC

East
1. Eagles
2. Redskins
3. Cowboys
4. Giants

North
1. Packers
2. Lions
3. Vikings
4. Bears

South
1. Panthers
2. Falcons
3. Saints
4. Bucs

West
1. Seahawks
2. Rams
3. Cardinals
4. 49ers

[BCWWF]

I don't think people are realizing how bad the Rams are looking as of right now

[VonErich Lives]

I don't think people are realizing how bad the Rams are looking as of right now

First your talking pre-season.

2nd the just re-signed Pace.

They have there offense in tact and a rookie RB ready to step in.

There defense is "questionable" but it always is w/ a team that can put up points fast and not control the ball, which will tire there defense.

Do I see them in the superbowl? No.

You're also forgetting the rest of the division.

SF is swiss cheese... they have a running back... and everything else is a question mark.

Arizona looks like it had a nice offense, then everyone got injured.

The only real competition for the divison (right now, on paper) is Seattle... who I just think Hasselback will choke somehow...

I wouldn't be shocked if Stl didn't win the division, but on paper (and my feelings on Seattle in the "big game") I have to go w/ them till someone knocks them off.

[BCWWF]

I can't see them making the playoffs, but I do think they will still probably end up second in their division. Living outside of St. Louis now I am getting all the St. Louis media and everyday theres something new going wrong for them. Losing Turley was huge, Faulk is real old now, their offence is no longer one of the top in the league and their defense is far from it. They probably won't be totally awful just because they have a few weapons, but they probably will be 9-7 and miss the playoffs. The Seahawks should have that division in the bag.

[VonErich Lives]

I can't see them making the playoffs, but I do think they will still probably end up second in their division. Living outside of St. Louis now I am getting all the St. Louis media and everyday theres something new going wrong for them. Losing Turley was huge, Faulk is real old now, their offence is no longer one of the top in the league and their defense is far from it. They probably won't be totally awful just because they have a few weapons, but they probably will be 9-7 and miss the playoffs. The Seahawks should have that division in the bag.

"should" I just see the Hawks chocking on a few games.

Turley does hurt, but w/ Pace back, RT isn't as important as LT.
Faulk is old, but they've always had a fill-in for when he goes down, this time it's a rookie who someday soon will replace him. They still have the basis of the offense that got them a SB and a Confrence title. They've always tried to build the defense, but they always won on offense.

That being said, if Seattle plays to their full potential, they should take the Division.

[Crimson]

The Patriots should win it again, they'll probably face another surprise team from the NFC like Greenbay, or Minnesota. I don't see Seattle or Philly getting there.

[BCWWF]

The one thing this new playoff system does is limit the teams who can get in there. In the end its probably still going to be the six best teams, but remember when the NFC Central (or something) had four of five teams in? Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, Tampa Bay. The good old days

[VonErich Lives]

The one thing this new playoff system does is limit the teams who can get in there. In the end its probably still going to be the six best teams, but remember when the NFC Central (or something) had four of five teams in? Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, Tampa Bay. The good old days

No, the NFC Centreal never had 5 teams in the playoffs :) (1div + 3 wild cards would be the max)

I do remember the AFC East having 4, I think it was the year before they changed the divisions.

What this does allow is a team in a weak division to make the playoffs, sometimes w/ a worse record then a team in another div that didn't make it.

[Splaya]

AFC

East
1. Pats
2. Bills
3. Dolphins
4. Jets

North
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Browns
4. Steelers

South
1. Jaguars
2. Texans
3. Colts
4. Titans

West
1. Chiefs
2. Broncos
3. Raiders
4. Chargers

Wildcard
1. Bengals
2. Texans

NFC

East
1. Eagles
2. Redskins
3. Cowboys
4. Giants

North
1. Vikings
2. Lions
3. Packers
4. Bears

South
1. Panthers
2. Saints
3. Falcons
4. Bucs

West
1. Seahawks
2. Cardinals
3. 49ers
4. Rams

Wildcard
1. Lions
2. Saints

The Rams in last in the West? The Lions in the wildcard? Morcheeba do you even know what sport this is? Actually, have you ever even watched a game before in your life?

[Gertner]

I've been talking about this alot with my friends. The pats have the best chance of running the table since the 72 dolphins.

[AlphaBean]

No, the NFC Centreal never had 5 teams in the playoffs :) (1div + 3 wild cards would be the max)

I do remember the AFC East having 4, I think it was the year before they changed the divisions.

What this does allow is a team in a weak division to make the playoffs, sometimes w/ a worse record then a team in another div that didn't make it.
He said four of five.

What the hell.

[AlphaBean]

Also, the Lions were fighting the Vikings for the last spot in 99, Vikings got it, so it was 3 north teams, but there were always 3 north teams competing; when the Vikings weren't in the running for a few years there, Chicago was.

[el fregadero]

The Rams in last in the West? The Lions in the wildcard? Morcheeba do you even know what sport this is? Actually, have you ever even watched a game before in your life?
You haven't even made picks.

[BCWWF]

Yeah, VEL you misread what I said mate :wave:

[VonErich Lives]

Yeah, VEL you misread what I said mate :wave:

yep, thought you said "or".

But, looks like Bean said it was only 3...

Anyway... yeah, the problem w/ more divisions is it can help a weaker team make the playoffs, on the otherhand... we had that before and better teams still missed a wildcard.

No matter what, some team will still find a reason to bitch.

[MoRcHeEbA]

the eagle will probably bitch when they lose the NFC championships again :D

[MoRcHeEbA]

eagles*

[BCWWF]

I forget which division it is, it might be the AFC South, that is probably going to have a team get screwed

[#1-norm-fan]

AFC North

Baltimore
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Cleveland

AFC East

NY Jets
New England
Buffalo
Miami

AFC South

Indianapolis
Houston
Tennessee
Jacksonville

AFC West

Kansas City
Oakland
Denver
San Diego

AFC Wild Card Teams: New England & Cincinnati

NFC North

Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit
Minnesota

NFC East

Dallas
Philadelphia
Washington
NY Giants

NFC South

Carolina
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
New Orleans

NFC West

Seattle
St. Louis
Arizona
San Francisco

NFC Wild Card Teams: Chicago & Atlanta

[Gonzo]

Had you up until you picked Chi-Town and ATL for Wild Cards. I'm going to have to disagree.

[AlphaBean]

:rofl: Minnesota at the bottom of the NFC NORTH? :wtf:

How is that even possible.

Man, if that happens, I'm totally jumping off a building.

[BCWWF]

I keep getting the feeling they are going after me

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

AFC North

Baltimore
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh
Cleveland

AFC East

NY Jets
New England
Buffalo
Miami

AFC South

Indianapolis
Houston
Tennessee
Jacksonville

AFC West

Kansas City
Oakland
Denver
San Diego

AFC Wild Card Teams: New England & Cincinnati

NFC North

Green Bay
Chicago
Detroit
Minnesota

NFC East

Dallas
Philadelphia
Washington
NY Giants

NFC South

Carolina
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
New Orleans

NFC West

Seattle
St. Louis
Arizona
San Francisco

NFC Wild Card Teams: Chicago & Atlanta

I seriously can not believe how fucking retarded you are

Oakland will not be better than Denver
Minnesota will not be last in the North
New York Jets ahead of the Patriots? HA!

plus

plus

plus

(Hit Vince McMahon's music)

NO CHANCE IN HELL do the Cowboys win the NFC East... You are just hating on the Birds because your jealous.

[DaveWadding]

My Revised NFC East:

Dallas
Washington
Giants
Philly 2-14 here we comeeeee

[Gertner]

AFC North

Baltimore- 11-5
Cincinnati- 9-7
Pittsburgh- 6-10
Cleveland- 5-11

AFC East

New England-16-0
NY Jets- 10-6
Buffalo- 9-7
Miami- 4-12

AFC South

Indianapolis- 12-4
Tennesse-10-6
Houston- 7-9
Jacksonville- 5-11

AFC West

Kansas City- 13-3
Denver-9-7
Oakland- 5-11
San Diego-4-12



AFC Wild Card Teams: Tennessee and Jets

NFC North

Minnesota-11-5
Green Bay-10-6
Chicago-7-9
Detroit- 5-11

NFC East

Phily- 11-5
Washington- 9-7
Dallas- 8-8
NY Giants-6-10

NFC South

Carolina- 12-4
New Orelans-9-7
Atlanta- 7-9
Tampa- 6-10

NFC West

Seattle- 12-4
St. Louis- 10-6
Arizona-5-11
San Francisco- 2-14

NFC Wild Card Teams: St.Louis and Washington


keep in mind- TPWW Pro Pick Winner
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[Gertner]

cheeba, the jags to win the south? Are you retarded. Wait, you're a girl. Nevermind. Did you pick the teams with the cutest names? "I picked the Jags, because I like kitties, and bears scare me, so I'll pick them last"

[el fregadero]

Cheeba is a genius if she picked the Jags.

[#1-norm-fan]

I seriously can not believe how fucking retarded you are


From now on, anytime you call SOMEONE ELSE retarded, I'm just gonna post this topic.

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17369

I guess I could post pretty much any topic you've posted in but that one has the most blatant evidence of retardation scattered throughout the first couple pages.

[#1-norm-fan]

Seriously though. I'm calling it... The Bears will be this year's Panthers in that nobody is even discussing the possibility of a good season for them but they will suprise people. Also, I'm predicting they will get 1 win over Green Bay this year.

The Jets too will be a suprise team. They'll fight with New England for the division lead all year before winning out in the end.

I have spoken.

[AlphaBean]

The Bears don't even have any "up and comers" like the Panthers had.

The Bears don't have any WRs, and they have an "ok" HB and an "almost OK" QB, which could work if they had a dominant defense.

They got Ogunleye, who was on a team with two shut-down corners, one of the best LB in the game, and the best DE in the game. He will be good, but will he be good playing opposite........................ who? Haynes?

And they got rid of all of their depth. They have no depth, they have no Bryan Robinson, they have no depth at corner, they have ONE safety, they have ONE linebacker, and a rookie DT who is looking "pretty good," but how would you reckon he is the next Kris Jenkins?

ANd Michael Haynes, next Peppers?

They don't even have the talent to be the "next Panthers." Panthers had two good WRs, the Bears have none. The Panthers had a prettttttty good line and an awesome HB. The Bears have an OK line and a guy who sucked on the Cardinals.

I don't know, I want to laugh, but I'm afraid that I'll end up eating my words and the Bears will somehow get a lucky season like 01.

[VonErich Lives]

:rofl: Minnesota at the bottom of the NFC NORTH? :wtf:

How is that even possible.

Man, if that happens, I'm totally jumping off a building.

Someone remind me of this during the season. I don't think the Vikes will be last either... but just incase they are... I wanna tape the jump and post it online.

[#1-norm-fan]

The Bears don't even have any "up and comers" like the Panthers had.

The Bears don't have any WRs, and they have an "ok" HB and an "almost OK" QB, which could work if they had a dominant defense.

They got Ogunleye, who was on a team with two shut-down corners, one of the best LB in the game, and the best DE in the game. He will be good, but will he be good playing opposite........................ who? Haynes?

And they got rid of all of their depth. They have no depth, they have no Bryan Robinson, they have no depth at corner, they have ONE safety, they have ONE linebacker, and a rookie DT who is looking "pretty good," but how would you reckon he is the next Kris Jenkins?

ANd Michael Haynes, next Peppers?

They don't even have the talent to be the "next Panthers." Panthers had two good WRs, the Bears have none. The Panthers had a prettttttty good line and an awesome HB. The Bears have an OK line and a guy who sucked on the Cardinals.

I don't know, I want to laugh, but I'm afraid that I'll end up eating my words and the Bears will somehow get a lucky season like 01.

Yeah, I see where you're going. I'm basing this pediction on a few things.

I predicted last year that Chicago would win @ Seattle and @ Green Bay (The posts are lurking somewhere on the old boards.) The Seattle game, they took the lead late in the game and then blew it. The Green Bay game they jumped out early 14-0 and then blew it. They just couldn't finish games. The way they were able to go in and not be intimidated and play like the favorite was impressive... It was a start atleast.

Defensively last year, they weren't special but they were't bad either. I think they have some decent players who are capable of having a good year. Offensively, I can see Justin Gage becoming a big play reciever. Also, I've been saying for weeks now that Thomas Jones will have a huge season.

But above all else... Lovie Smith is gonna be a GREAT head coach.

[BCWWF]

Simply put, the Vikings had one of the best offenses in the league last year without Michael Bennett most of the year and with no true second reciever.

There is no way that the Packers will finish any closer than two games behind us.

Out already amazing offense adds Bennett the whole year, Marcus Robinson as the first true second reciever since Cris Carter left, a new tight end in Wiggins, not to mention huge depth at both running back (Onterrio Smith, Moe Williams, Jimmy Kliensasser) and Wide Reciever (Nate Burleson, Kelly Campbell, Keenan Howry). So now our offense is better than it has been since probably 98 or 01.

Then look at the more important part, the defense. The Vikings have always relied on outscoring opponents and living with a shitty defense. That won't be the case this year. Our D-Line has an amazing rookie in Keneche Udezi who has been real good preseason and second year Kevin Williams who had 8 sacks I think last year. Bring back Hovan who will be at a better weight this season and Kenny Mixon is no stiff. Out defensive line is on its way to being one of the top in the league.

Then our secondary. Corey Chavous is already a great safety, he had plenty of interceptions last year and is one of the smartest backs in the league. Brian Russell isn't amazing, but he still had over six interceptions last year, Brian Williams is above average, had a real big game last year against the Lions. Then you add in Antoine Winfield, the first real shut down corner the Vikings have had in years and an extremely hard hitter.

The Packers didn't win the Division last year and they know that. They didn't deserve to win based on their play and their record, but the Vikings handed it over by how unbelievably bad they played in the end of the season. It was pure luck for the Packers that they got in the playoffs and they didn't belong. Just because Brett Favre says that he is determined doesn't mean they are going to be amazing, nothing against him he is one of the best qb's of my time, but he is old and doesn't have a dominant offense or defense on his side. The Packers won't be a bad team, but they are not on the same level as the Vikings anymore, and its going to shock you when the Vikings come out strong. As of right now they are in a legitimate position to get a first round bye, fuck the Eagles.

Its even more rediculous the third place finishes behind the DETROIT LIONS! The Lions have a young core, but thats all they have. Harrington is not yet good enough and who knows how good Roy Williams is going to be, but the fact remains that they don't have the personnel to compete with the Vikings or Packers. They will be lucky to finish with a 500 record.

And don't worry, I'm prepared for people calling me a hometown biased fan, but the fact remains that besides Alphabean nobody has as much access to Minnesota media. Just like CNM knows more about the Colorado teams than anybody else, my daily newspapers and newscasts cover both the Vikings and the Packers quite equally, so I know my bit. Suck me, I'm right.

I'm not going crazy here, I'm not going to predict Super Bowl Champions, but I will be surprised if we don't end up in the NFC Championship.

[#1-norm-fan]

My god... you've become an Eagles fan. Exxagerating the "depth" @ WR and RB a tad bit, aren't you? The Vikings are more talented than Detroit and Chicago. As we've seen in the NFL in recent years, that doesn't mean they will finish ahead of them. Putting them in last place may have been a bit much... I may go third. You just know that like every year, there are gonna be about 10 spots in the division standings that make you say "Jeez, I would have never expected that at the begining of the year."

Also, I bet your local media didn't didn't tell you after starting 6-0 that you would STILL miss the playoffs. That's how much "expectations" mean.

[BCWWF]

I will bet you 100$ using PayPal that the Vikings finish first in the North and the Bears finish last. Its that obvious.

[#1-norm-fan]

I wouldn't bet $100 on the Vikes not ending up first... but since you added the Bears thing, you're on.

[#1-norm-fan]

Now how much do we bet on the Dallas-Minnesota game on Sunday? :shifty:

[Triple A]

GO JETS

[#1-norm-fan]

GO JETS

GIVE ME REP FOR PICKING THEM TO WIN THEIR DIVISION.

[Loose Cannon]

^^Good man. Except NE is going to be a BITCH to take down :mad:

[Gertner]

NE is gonna run the table.

The jets don't stand a snowballs chance in hell

All they needed was a running game and they added Corey Fuckin Dillon.

they are impossible to beat at home, and their d is top notch

[AlphaBean]

Ray Mickens is a true shutdown corner.

[AlphaBean]

My god... you've become an Eagles fan. Exxagerating the "depth" @ WR and RB a tad bit, aren't you? The Vikings are more talented than Detroit and Chicago. As we've seen in the NFL in recent years, that doesn't mean they will finish ahead of them. Putting them in last place may have been a bit much... I may go third. You just know that like every year, there are gonna be about 10 spots in the division standings that make you say "Jeez, I would have never expected that at the begining of the year."

Also, I bet your local media didn't didn't tell you after starting 6-0 that you would STILL miss the playoffs. That's how much "expectations" mean.
You stupid fuck. The fact that we have the most dangerous (Arguably the best, but there are none more athletic or explosive than Moss) WR in the league, that increases our depth ten-fold. You can single-coverage every receiver in the NFC North besides Randy Moss. That will leave someone open on every play, now THAT is depth. Nate Burleson, I have watched his play, and while he doesn't have great speed, he's an amazing possession receiver, and Marcus Robinson, if he stays healthy, will be able to dominate a #2 CB 1-on-1.

Kelly Campbell is not the most reliable receiver, but what the hell? He's #4 on our depth chart! That means he will be lined up on rookies, and aging veterans. I mean, the Ravens don't even HAVE a #4 receiver, so he'd be lined up on a safety, which would leave the wideouts open most likely, and he has the deep speed to beat out many #1 CBs! If you let him get behind you, you better pray he short-arms it (which he tends to do).

I'm not saying our receivers are the best, I'm saying that they're good, and put them next to Randy Moss, we have amazing depth. For Moss alone.

As for HB... COME ON! Bennett was a pro bowler before his broken foot, and he's regained his speed (world-class, he could have qualified for the olympic sprinting team), and worked on his conditioning, so if HE stays healthy, he has the ability to, well, destroy opposing teams. Moe in the preseason IMO has looked old, but behind our monstrous line, who knows what he's capable of? Last season he dominated early due to Bennett's injury, and Onterrio Smith came in late and dominated in the stretch. He's going to be out 4 games, and he's looked VERY distracted, but he could start on another team, but he's THIRD STRING. And Mewelde Moore, BCWWF forgot to mention him. He could probably start eventually on another team as well. He's an amazing back, with the best hands in the draft, and the only reason he fell to the 4th round was his size. He can ball. I saw him play, he's our FOURTH. Nobody will exaggerate the depth of the Vikings halfbacks... it's impossible. Our corps is the best in the league, hands down.

[BCWWF]

Werd to your mother

[AlphaBean]

Buffalo Bills: Henry and McGahee, pretty good. Dunno what comes after that. My favorite 1-2 punch though.

Dolphins: :rofl:

Patriots: Dillon is a stud. Faulk is all right. Um, there you go.

Jets: Curtis Martin JUST WILL NOT DIE. Lamont Jordan is supposed to be good. Dunno. nice 1-2 punch.

Cowboys: lol

Giants: THUNDER AND LIGHTNING. I hate Barber, but he's good so whatever. Nice 1-2 punch. Ends there.

Eagles: lol. Poor Iggles halfbacks. At least Thomas Tapeh is getting reps at tailback. He's a stud. :love:

Redskins: Portis, Betts? Cartwright? Nah.

Ravens: Musa Smith? Chester Taylor? Jamal has no backups.

Bengals: Rudi Johnson and Chris Perry. Two all-right backs. Nice depth, but no pro bowlers there IMO

Browns: 3 quality backups on one team. Amazing.

Steelers: It's like Wheatley and Garner all over again.

Bears: Two excellent backups.

Lions: We'll see how good their starter is. But as of right now, I can say their running game is still shit.

Packers: Nice threesome. Ahman Green is a pro bowler, Najeh Davenport could start (since he's a fullback), and Tony Fisher, well, he has earned his money as a third-stringer. They are up there, but Moe Williams never shit in anyone's closet.

Texans: Davis and Hollings? Ok.

Colts: RICKY WILLIAMS! Dunno, dude. They have that one backup, forget his name, and Mungro, and Edge. Not too deep, but they're not in danger either.

Jags: Fred and a rookie. Dunno.

Titans: Chris Brown might be a great back in the league... but he is being promoted from backup, so what's that leave?

Falcons: Shit, they might have the most depth! Dunn, Duckett, and Vick. Since Vick is just a HB who can throw the ball far. But he's no QB as preseason has proven. :D

Panthers: The most-hyped 1-2 punch in the league. I won't argue that. Vikings go 4-deep though. Plus Larry Ned! Who would probably make #2 on a shallow team like Philly.

Saints: Kijana Carter. lol. Stud back, but Kijana Carter, man!

Bucs: Uh shit, they have depth, but I question the quality of their old-ass backfield. And Pittman blows.

Broncos: I guess you could say that as long as the Broncos have 4 HBs on their roster, they have 4 potential 1,000 yard rushers, right? Well Hearst is okay but like 40, Griffin is "the second coming of Barry" lol. They're okay for now. Or are they? I guess that remains to be seen.

Chiefs: Priest and LJ. Cool. I hear bad things about LJ though :(

Raiders: Who do they even have? I think they have depth, but quality depth? Wheatley is their starter, so the answer is "no."

Chargers: I think the team signed Ryan Leaf to be the backup HB to LT this season. LOLZ

Cardinals: LOLZ

Rams: They have three gre... They have a great, old and injury-prone star, and a rooookie with potential. I'd say that's a good 1-2 punch. Lamar Gordon, though. Tsk.

49ers: LOLZ. I don't even buy Kevan Barlow as a legitimate HB.

Seahawks: Who comes after Alexander? That's right, his sister. He knows how to Git-r-Dun. I don't even know who the backup is out there, sooooo...

There you have it. Packers are close, Broncos are close, but nobody is as deep as Minnesota.

Since I'm sure you want to make some comment about how we make baseless claims.

[#1-norm-fan]

You stupid fuck. The fact that we have the most dangerous (Arguably the best, but there are none more athletic or explosive than Moss) WR in the league, that increases our depth ten-fold.

You had Moss last year... how does having him this year "increase" the depth you moron? Damn, you people are starting to do the same for the Vikes that others do for Philly. I didn't hate Philly until I heard their fans during this choke streak they're on. Now, like the Eagle's fans, you're going the way of getting incredibly pissed when someone doesn't pick them to have a good year. It's basically like saying "I know there's a good chance we'll end up choking again. So since I can't brag at the end of the year, I'll do all my bragging now before they have played a single game." Like you are trying to convice yourself of how good they are rather than other people.

Anyways, Green Bay's depth @ RB is better than Minnesota's. There's just no question about it.

[Gertner]

ray mickens is injured

the jets signed terrell buckley after the pats cut him.

[BCWWF]

You had Moss last year... how does having him this year "increase" the depth you moron? Damn, you people are starting to do the same for the Vikes that others do for Philly. I didn't hate Philly until I heard their fans during this choke streak they're on. Now, like the Eagle's fans, you're going the way of getting incredibly pissed when someone doesn't pick them to have a good year. It's basically like saying "I know there's a good chance we'll end up choking again. So since I can't brag at the end of the year, I'll do all my bragging now before they have played a single game." Like you are trying to convice yourself of how good they are rather than other people.

Anyways, Green Bay's depth @ RB is better than Minnesota's. There's just no question about it.


Answer:
1. NFL cracking down on defensive contact with wide recievers

2. Marcus Robinson is first true second wide reciever since Cris Carter

3. Full health, physically and mentally

That my friend, is how Randy Moss is better this year than last year, and I could go on.

[Y2Ant]

cheeba, the jags to win the south? Are you retarded. Wait, you're a girl. Nevermind. Did you pick the teams with the cutest names? "I picked the Jags, because I like kitties, and bears scare me, so I'll pick them last"
LOL

[Rain Man]

AFC

East
1. Pats
2. Jets
3. Bills
4. Dolphins

North
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Steelers
4. Browns

South
1. Titans
2. Colts
3. Jaguars
4. Texans

West
1. Chiefs
2. Broncos
3. Raiders
4. Chargers

Wildcard
1. Colts
2. Bengals

NFC

East
1. Eagles
2. Redskins
3. Cowboys
4. Giants

North
1. Vikings
2. Packers
3. Lions
4. Bears

South
1. Panthers
2. Saints
3. Falcons
4. Bucs

West
1. Seahawks
2. Rams
3. 49ers
4. Cardinals

Wildcard
1. Saints
2. Packers

[Rain Man]

the eagle will probably bitch when they lose the NFC championships again :D
:foc:

[Rain Man]

My NFC East Predictions:
Eagles-12-4
Redskins-10-6
Dallas-9-7
Giants-4-12 :lol:

Now The Eagles finally have a team that they can take to the Superbowl. With the additions with 4 new defensive players (Kearse, Trotter, D. Jones, Douglas) that will help the run defense tremendously. The shakiest part of their offense is NOT Donovans throwing accuracy it is the running back situation. With Duce gone, Buckhalter out for the season it just leaves little Brian Westbrooke. Now he was tremendous last year untill he got injured, but they had Duce and Buckhalter right behind him. But with those two gone it is going to be tough to fill those spots. The y brought in Dorsey Levens and cut him a week later, and 2nd year running back Reno Mahi can't cut it what so ever. But the Eagles will easily be led by Donovan and their NOW tremendous recievers (besides pinkston) and 2nd year TE LJ Smith :y: turning out to be something great, the Bird will dominate once again.. AND MARK MY WORDS if they do not win the NFC CHampionship this year.. I WILL HAVE A SEX CHANGE!!!!!!

[MoRcHeEbA]

remember when the eagles HAD Trotter and Douglas and they still couldn't win then :?:

[Rain Man]

remember when the eagles HAD Trotter and Douglas and they still couldn't win then :?:
They had the Defense that year, they have never had an offense close to what they have this year. They could not score that game and when Joe Jerivicious had that one reception it killed them, they finally have everything they need to make it just wait and see..... Just Wait MUahahahahaha :kiss:

[BCWWF]

I still think TO would be cooler on the Ravens

[Rain Man]

I still think TO would be cooler on the Ravens
Hmmmmm think about it.... T.O. from Kyle Boller????????? it would of NEVER worked

[BCWWF]

Boller is better than McNabb, McNabb just gets a bunch of media attention because they want a black quarterback to be succeed. HE'S NOT ACTUALLY THAT GOOD! <font color=black>If anybody is too stupid to catch the Rush Limbaugh sarcasm, kill yourself because I am leaving this tag open..

[MoRcHeEbA]

They had the Defense that year, they have never had an offense close to what they have this year. They could not score that game and when Joe Jerivicious had that one reception it killed them, they finally have everything they need to make it just wait and see..... Just Wait MUahahahahaha :kiss:

so you're saying that year they had a pass stoping defense, this year they have a good run defense... it doesn't take a rocket science how to play on that defense :)

[Rain Man]

Boller is better than McNabb, McNabb just gets a bunch of media attention because they want a black quarterback to be succeed. HE'S NOT ACTUALLY THAT GOOD! <font color=black>If anybody is too stupid to catch the Rush Limbaugh sarcasm, kill yourself because I am leaving this tag open..
You have to be crazy... Like I'm saying it doesn't sound right Boller to Owens because Boller is not yet a NFL QB and can't lead the Ravens offense (which isn't much of an offense besides Lewis but he is too busy snorting) through a whole season. Did you not see preseason? Eagles vs. Ravens? First play for the Eagles 81 yard touchdown pass McNabb to Owens.. Get use to it ALL year baby.. And Boller is no where close to McNabb.

[MoRcHeEbA]

Boller is better than McNabb, McNabb just gets a bunch of media attention because they want a black quarterback to be succeed. HE'S NOT ACTUALLY THAT GOOD! <font color=black>If anybody is too stupid to catch the Rush Limbaugh sarcasm, kill yourself because I am leaving this tag open..

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll: McNabb is 100 times better then Boller

[Rain Man]

so you're saying that year they had a pass stoping defense, this year they have a good run defense... it doesn't take a rocket science how to play on that defense :)
Nah I Never said anythign about a pass stopping defense at the time yeah they did have Taylor and Vincent.. What I am saying is the run stopping defense last year for the Eagles was absolutley horrible letting every RB have a 100 yard game every game. I am saying now THIS year they have a run stopping defense compared to last year.

[Rain Man]

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll: McNabb is 100 times better then Boller

Thank You!! :) See we can agree on something

[MoRcHeEbA]

yeah but they don't have a pass stopping defense this year, teams will learn to just double up on Owens and that takes away probably 65% of the eagles offense. Teams will just be doing 20 yard passes on the eagles like crazy, I'm not saying the eagles have a bad defense but it's nothing special compared to any other team.

[Rain Man]

yeah but they don't have a pass stopping defense this year, teams will learn to just double up on Owens and that takes away probably 65% of the eagles offense. Teams will just be doing 20 yard passes on the eagles like crazy, I'm not saying the eagles have a bad defense but it's nothing special compared to any other team.

Yeah they have two young cornerbacks.. The Packers last year lit up Sheldon Brown and they will gun for them the whole year. Yeah I am just saying compared to last year dibocal on defense they have improved in the areas they needed to improve on this year besides the cornerback situation.

[BCWWF]

<font color=white><font size=10>BLACK TEXT BLACK TEXT<font>

[VonErich Lives]

Boller is better than McNabb, McNabb just gets a bunch of media attention because they want a black quarterback to be succeed. HE'S NOT ACTUALLY THAT GOOD! <font color=black>If anybody is too stupid to catch the Rush Limbaugh sarcasm, kill yourself because I am leaving this tag open..

</font> lmfao!

[Rain Man]

BYE THE WAY while I was watching Sunday NFL Countdown on Thursday? and my boy Michael Irvin just picked none other than DONOVAN MCNABB to be MVP.. WHAT NOW!

[#1-norm-fan]

Your 2004 MVP will be none other than.......

Chad Pennington.

[Crimson]

:| at all of you.

[BCWWF]

:nono: you

[Jerichoholic]

BYE THE WAY while I was watching Sunday NFL Countdown on Thursday? and my boy Michael Irvin just picked none other than DONOVAN MCNABB to be MVP.. WHAT NOW!

Yeah, Michael Irvin is definitly every Eagle's fan's boy ever since that time he had that career ending injury and they treated him with such respect.

[Ninti the Mad]

Cowboys will be undefeated this year.

[House of Pancakes]

There's no official NFL thread?

Anyway, the Pats-Colts game was great last night. The Colts blew their chance to win a couple of times, and they really looked upset from this loss. Tom Brady was awesome.

[el fregadero]

The Colts secondary is just terrible, I could have thrown for 300 yards against them.

[slextremely]

Colts had their shot to win a couple of times and couldnt come through, that game was a preview of the AFC title game. Tom Brady was awesome.... either Brady or Manning is gonna be the MVP this year.

[BCWWF]

Brady is the new Brett Favre, not the technically best, but very skilled and very smart, knows how to win.

[DaveWadding]

The Colts secondary is just terrible, I could have thrown for 300 yards against them.
The Colts whole defense (minus Freeney and possibly Thornton) is just terrible.

[VonErich Lives]

The Colts whole defense (minus Freeney and possibly Thornton) is just terrible.

and for the most part, so were the patriots...

Watching james run after run, gain after gain, falling forward, knocking over Lineman...

of course, it all works out when he coughs up the ball twice.

I think last year Tyrone Poole was a fluke, this year we may see the real Poole, which is a 5'7 guy who gets spun like a top for 1-2 deep plays a game.

[AlphaBean]

Hmmmmm think about it.... T.O. from Kyle Boller????????? it would of NEVER worked
Ravens have the most awesome uniforms in the NFL, I think that's what he meant.

Also, on Madden I used to trade for Owens as the Ravens. It was cool. :D

[BCWWF]

I played as the Raven today on ESPN and Todd Heap is rediculous, he's the man!

[Rain Man]

Last nights game was awesome. I think after watching Brady he is the most solid QB in the NFL. He is just so patient sees the field so good, and then he just throws a perfect ball.

[Rain Man]

Pats-Eagles Superbowl

[road doggy dogg]

LOL @ a bunch of the stupid shit people have been saying in this thread

Minnesota at the bottom of the NFC North? Please. As much as I don't like them, they're going to be neck and neck with the Packers all year (I still think GB will win it, it can go both ways though)

Dallas undefeated... lol they're not even going to be undefeated after week 1

Eagles... lol.

And someone said something about the Bears winning their division or the Superbowl or something, that is pretty ROFL as well.

[BCWWF]

The Bears won't win five games this year, but they'll beat the Vikings!

[#1-norm-fan]

I said Chicago will be this year's Cowboys. In that they will shock everyone by getting into they playoffs but probably not winning the wild card game.

Also, Lovie Smith will be a top candidate for coach of the year.

[Gertner]

Rememeber. Pats = 16-0.

[Innovator]

coach of the year might go to Joe Gibbs, if Redskins catch the wildcard, cause Eagles will have the NFC East securely for another year.

Seattle will go far, probably them and Pats in the Superbowl

[road doggy dogg]

Gibbs and Lovie are going to win nothing, namely because either of their teams will do anything.

[BCWWF]

There are some pretty hefty expectations on Seattles back right now, hope it doesn't bring them down

[BCWWF]

Also, VEL has your opinion changed at all since the Rams traded their backup running back, lost a safety, and couldn't resign Seahorn? IMO anybody having them finish higher than second is crazy, even before these last three incidents.

[#1-norm-fan]

Washington won't make the playoffs, Chicago will, Lovie will be a Coach of the Year candidate.

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, VEL has your opinion changed at all since the Rams traded their backup running back, lost a safety, and couldn't resign Seahorn? IMO anybody having them finish higher than second is crazy, even before these last three incidents.

They have Steven Jackson... Gordon was expendable. And Seahorn, even when healthy, has sucked for years now.

I don't think they'll finish above Seattle but it would be for other reasons.

[Ninti the Mad]

LOL @ a bunch of the stupid shit people have been saying in this thread



Dallas undefeated... lol they're not even going to be undefeated after week 1





It's called sarcasm, inferior. :foc:

[#1-norm-fan]

Dallas will end up going undefeated with an 0-0-16 record. It will be the craziest season EVER!

[BCWWF]

They have Steven Jackson... Gordon was expendable. And Seahorn, even when healthy, has sucked for years now.

I don't think they'll finish above Seattle but it would be for other reasons.

I don't think they will make the playoffs, but some people did, one of them being VEL. I was simply asking him if his opinion had changed since these recent developments.

[road doggy dogg]

It's called sarcasm, inferior. :foc:

Doesn't change the fact taht you are RETARDED :foc: :Foc: :Fcol:

[road doggy dogg]

Also, VEL has your opinion changed at all since the Rams traded their backup running back, lost a safety, and couldn't resign Seahorn? IMO anybody having them finish higher than second is crazy, even before these last three incidents.

What the fuck? Their backup running back? He was like 4th on the depth chart. They have Faulk, Jackson, and Arlen Harris still.

Not getting Sehorn isn't a huge deal since they weren't planning on bringing him back until just recently anyways. And yeah their secondary is weak but St. Louis has always been a more offensive team anyways. With Pace back and in great shape their offence is just that much better. With a great backup in Jackson they will be even more dangerous on the ground, so St. Louis will be just fine this year.

[road doggy dogg]

Washington won't make the playoffs, Chicago will, Lovie will be a Coach of the Year candidate.

What are you talking about? Chicago is awful. Their QB is crap, and his targets are even worse. They've got a decent running game, so they'll probably do good against Detroit this week since Detroit can't stop anybody on the ground. Their defense isn't anything special, aside from Urlacher. They're not even in the top 2 teams in their division, so that there dramatically weakens their chance of any post-season success. Chicago doesn't even have any good up and coming guys that make you say "in 2 years this team will be good", like Detroit or Houston or anybody. They're just mediocore all over.

[BCWWF]

What the fuck? Their backup running back? He was like 4th on the depth chart. They have Faulk, Jackson, and Arlen Harris still.

Not getting Sehorn isn't a huge deal since they weren't planning on bringing him back until just recently anyways. And yeah their secondary is weak but St. Louis has always been a more offensive team anyways. With Pace back and in great shape their offence is just that much better. With a great backup in Jackson they will be even more dangerous on the ground, so St. Louis will be just fine this year.


Pace is all they have on the offensive line now that Turley is out for the season. Basically this is the last Rams team of this era that will finish above 500, and I don't think they will make the playoffs even in the new format. They have a quarterback who throws too many interceptions, an injury prone running back fading pretty fast, and a horrible defense, ranked in the bottom five for a bunch of defensive caterogies last year. They have one true corner back, since Aeneas Williams is listed as a safety, and besides him their safeties are really low too, which is why they needed Seahorn back and why losing the other guy was such a huge blow.

They won't be horrible, but everybody in St. Louis knows that the greatest show on turf is pretty much done now. In a year or two they will be good again, but they won't be the same weapons as the past few years. On paper they still look alright, but winning the division is out of the question and making the playoffs is a long long stretch.

[BCWWF]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/jeffgordon/story/E1FAACEBBA8BE7E486256F0B005A29EF?OpenDocument&Headline=Rams+will+need+great+coaching+--+and+more+--+to+prosper

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/berniemiklasz/story/E42612B678AB108B86256F0A00163C25?OpenDocument&Headline=Roster+scrambling,+defensive+holes+hint+at+trouble+for+Rams


Thats what they are saying in St. Louis, and thats the paper I read, so thats where my bias is coming from

[AlphaBean]

I said Chicago will be this year's Cowboys. In that they will shock everyone by getting into they playoffs but probably not winning the wild card game.

Also, Lovie Smith will be a top candidate for coach of the year.
Are you SURE you said Cowboys?

Don't you think you might have said they would be this year's Panthers? (NFC Champs... lol)

[AlphaBean]

What the hell? ESPN has Hovan listed as our best DL threat.

Hahaha I hope the Cowboys failed to gameplan against Kevin Williams. That would be hilarious to see.

[VonErich Lives]

Also, VEL has your opinion changed at all since the Rams traded their backup running back, lost a safety, and couldn't resign Seahorn? IMO anybody having them finish higher than second is crazy, even before these last three incidents.

No.

Gordon meant nothing this year.
Seahorn was ok for nickles or dimes... thats about it...

[BCWWF]

What the hell? ESPN has Hovan listed as our best DL threat.

Hahaha I hope the Cowboys failed to gameplan against Kevin Williams. That would be hilarious to see.

Don't forget about Kenechi, he is amazing in video games already!

No.

Gordon meant nothing this year.
Seahorn was ok for nickles or dimes... thats about it...

You're missing the whole point though, which is that the Rams have a horrible secondary and its getting even more depleted. They weren't trying to get Seahorn to play the same role Deion Sanders will in Baltimore, they needed him to play a role on their team. It doesn't matter that Seahorn sucks now, because he was the best they could get.

[#1-norm-fan]

Are you SURE you said Cowboys?

Don't you think you might have said they would be this year's Panthers? (NFC Champs... lol)

No. I picked them to finish 2nd in the division and get a playoff berth although no one is expecting it ala Dallas.

However, Everyone expected Carolina to be last in the NFC South last year, no one was even discussing them in the off-season and they ended up being a huge suprise so in that way, I would compare Chicago to them.

I'm predicting the same success as Dallas had though.

[VonErich Lives]

Don't forget about Kenechi, he is amazing in video games already!



You're missing the whole point though, which is that the Rams have a horrible secondary and its getting even more depleted. They weren't trying to get Seahorn to play the same role Deion Sanders will in Baltimore, they needed him to play a role on their team. It doesn't matter that Seahorn sucks now, because he was the best they could get.

Yes and your missing the point, it's the NFL w/ their cap you don't have many complete teams, you cant spend anywhere.

STL puts it in offense, will their secondary get burned a few times, sure. Will they make up for it by putting up 30 points a game, sure.

Still my pick, Weak division and I'm not sold on Seattle, seeing the 1st or 2nd won't shock me, seeing them make the playoffs wouldn't surprise me.

[BCWWF]

Agreed to disagree slightly. I am confident they finish above 500 and second in their division, nothing more though.

[VonErich Lives]

Agreed to disagree slightly. I am confident they finish above 500 and second in their division, nothing more though.

Above .500 can get you a wildcard in todays nfl.

but we'll see.

[AlphaBean]

Yes and your missing the point, it's the NFL w/ their cap you don't have many complete teams, you cant spend anywhere.

STL puts it in offense, will their secondary get burned a few times, sure. Will they make up for it by putting up 30 points a game, sure.

Still my pick, Weak division and I'm not sold on Seattle, seeing the 1st or 2nd won't shock me, seeing them make the playoffs wouldn't surprise me.
I'm researching the Rams, and apparently this year Faulk is making 7.5 million dollars, the most for a halfback, and despite being a Giant, Kurt Warner will be making 4.6... 6.7 next year. :wtf:

Pace is making 7 mil, now take into consideration the contracts of Leonard Little, Jimmy Kennedy , Dave Wohlabah(sp) and Kyle Turley, and that's a LOT of money tied up in retirements/injuries/etc.

So I don't know how much Bulger/Holt/Bruce/Timmerman/Archuletta/Polley/Robert Thomas/Aeneas are making, but I'm sure that the vast majority of their cap is tied up there. And this year, that's not enough.

A huge piece of being a good team, is to have managed the cap correctly, and to suffer minimal injuries -- any injuries you incur should either be beneficial (Drew Bledsoe, Trent Green), or just gameplanned around (Colvin/Washington). Losing 2/5 of your starting offensive line to injuries and 1/4 of your D-line to injuries... and then another 1/4 lost to free agency and yet another to drunk driving... it starts to add up.

Keep in mind that likely your highest-paid player is good for 8 games per season, at roughly 1 million dollars per game, so you have to waste your first draft pick as insurance, and his window is closing -- as is your #2 receiver, then you have to think, how can the Rams do it? And if they don't this year... which they obviously won't, since Mike Martz is still coach, then how soon before they can become contenders again?

Once Faulk is off the books, and Turley, and Wohlabah, and Leonard Little comes back from prison :lol:, maybe they can spend wisely in free agency.

I'm looking at the Vikings. They have the talent to win the next five superbowls in place.

If only they had someone who could take them there... :(

Stupid Tice, if you can't at LEAST get to the superbowl, I'm comin' for ya.

[AlphaBean]

Also, I wonder if they're still suffering from the McLeon and Bly cuts last year... (Other than the fact they have NO SECONDARY anymore)

[Y2Ant]

Antoine Winfield is the man

[BCWWF]

Brian Williams :love:

Did you see his stats today?

4 Tackles 2 Big Hits

He was just badass workin against Keyshawn and company

[Crimson]

Keyshawn had a big game, of course Brian Williams is gonna have some tackles since he was covering Key. :rant: Keyshawn is the fuckin man, the Cowboys will be good this year again.

[Crimson]

Cool ^^ that post number happens to be my employee number at work...:)

[AlphaBean]

Keyshawn had a big game, of course Brian Williams is gonna have some tackles since he was covering Key. :rant: Keyshawn is the fuckin man, the Cowboys will be good this year again.
Brian Williams was playing with a sprained knee. Keyshawn wouldn't catch those if B-W was healthy. Know why? Because B-W is the man. And he made plays DESPITE his injury. So on two healthy wheels, Me-shawn would have been shut down. But Bryant would have had a career day. :(

[BCWWF]

Ken Irvin was injured too

[#1-norm-fan]

My god.... you people make excuses even when you win!!!

Anyways, I'm not disapointed with Dallas at all. I said a couple weeks ago I was much more worried about the defense than the offense. The defense looked bad, the offense looked good. They played their hearts out. The defense is just not intimidating at all. That's the thing. They can play solid... but they don't make big hits and they don't get turnovers.

[#1-norm-fan]

I take that back about the offense looking good...

The passing game looked good. They really could have used Julius.

[AlphaBean]

My god.... you people make excuses even when you win!!!

Anyways, I'm not disapointed with Dallas at all. I said a couple weeks ago I was much more worried about the defense than the offense. The defense looked bad, the offense looked good. They played their hearts out. The defense is just not intimidating at all. That's the thing. They can play solid... but they don't make big hits and they don't get turnovers.
LOL.

Excuses? I gave the Cowboys the same excuse. Their secondary is broken down, Minnesota's is as well. Minnesota had one healthy CB, and he did an amazing job. However, Dallas has too many options at receiver for anyone but the deepest CB corps to fully defend. However, in the red zone, the Vikings can use their depth at DL and linebacker to really shut a team down, because linebackers can drop into zone in pass coverage, and our DL can clamp down. Dallas has a good front 7, but their best player, Darren Woodsen, is out. He would have made it a lot tougher for Minnesota, and probably would have gotten an INT, a sack or both. Vikings offensive line played immense today. And you can't blame the Dallas defense, because remember what people said about the Patriots defense being exploited? That's what a good offense does. Dallas will do just fine defensively. But the Vikings are going to break their own scoring record this year. :yes:

Moss said it best himself, the group they have this year can put up 40 points a game, and today they came damn close, against a great defense. And the thing is, the 'boys had a 20 minute drive in the first half, totally swallowed the TOP. Who can compare to the Cowboys defense? Probably New England. I believe MN is facing them this season, and they'll probably hold the Vikings below...

Wait no, the vertical game can kill them. The Vikings have that. The Pats game might turn into a shootout like what the Colts game would have been if not for James' fumbles.

About the Bears... you got the Panthers right, you got the year wrong. Three years ago. Chris Wienke. :D

Anyway, Dallas got pressure, but Culpepper escaped and made them pay with completions. You have to have a better rush than that to get Pep. With Woodson, you could have sent him, Roy or both on the blitz and disrupted Pep... but without him, sending Roy in would only leave you vulnerable over the top.

Swear to God though, as good as the Vikings CBs played, those catches were completely indefenseable, except for Glenn's TD, which was still tough since he FINGERTIPPED IT IN THE CORNER OF THE END ZONE WHILE FALLING.

The rest of the catches were just Keyshawn playing pro bowl caliber football. After seeing this one game, he's #4 on my list of WR's. Behind Moss/Burleson/Robinson. :p Maybe Kelly Campbell... we'll see...

[MoRcHeEbA]

and a QB and a WR and a O-Line and a kicker and a punter and a well you get the idea

[AlphaBean]

When it gets this late and I get this tired, I tend to switch into college paper-writing mode, and use way too many words to say a little. I find it hilarious. My mind shuts off but my fingers keep typing, and before I know it, I've one 10-15 pages double spaced.

[BCWWF]

Lol, he speaks the truth

[AlphaBean]

and a QB and a WR and a O-Line and a kicker and a punter and a well you get the idea
Yeah they could totally have used a holder for the 2nd FG in the game. :D

[#1-norm-fan]

and a QB and a WR and a O-Line and a kicker and a punter and a well you get the idea

Yeah I agree. Vinny, the WRs and the O-Line were just awful today. They need some SERIOUS help. :roll:

[#1-norm-fan]

The problem with Dallas' defense is that they are the most unintimidating defense to ever be ranked #1. They absolutely CAN'T get turnovers if their lives depended on it. And when they play a high powered offense it almost seems like they actually become intimidated and it leads to trying to hard and getting intereferance penalites and such.

[Yashamaga]

Charles Rogers is out for the season again and AGAIN with the same injury

[Ninti the Mad]

The problem with Dallas' defense is that they are the most unintimidating defense to ever be ranked #1. They absolutely CAN'T get turnovers if their lives depended on it. And when they play a high powered offense it almost seems like they actually become intimidated and it leads to trying to hard and getting intereferance penalites and such.


Did you see how their defense would hesitate on sacks and pursuing somebody?

I mean... they let Culpepper get away with alot of runs. They would stand there like if they were thinking.

[#1-norm-fan]

I didn't actually get to see the game. (Stupid local rules... had to watch the 49ers-Falcons game instead)

It's how Dallas' defense has been playing for about 5 years now though. The only difference last year was that they made tackles and were more disciplined thanks to Parcells. It can only take you so far though when you aren't making big plays.

[AlphaBean]

Did you see how their defense would hesitate on sacks and pursuing somebody?

I mean... they let Culpepper get away with alot of runs. They would stand there like if they were thinking.
Probably because they knew better.

Coakley went for a blitz, gave up a 65 yard TD. :lol: Awesome. I bet that really kept the blitzers honest for the rest of the game.

[BCWWF]

Well coming into the season I had pretty high expectations for the Vikings, and after watching the first two games I know I was thinking a little too high, but now I am not predicting more than 10 wins.

Why you ask?

Out for season:
Ken Irvin (Starting CB)
Jimmy Kliensasser (Starting TE)
Mike Rosenthal (Starting LT)

Temporarily Injured:
Michael Bennett (Starting HB)
Moe Williams (Starting HB)
Jerome Wiggins (Starting TE after Kliensasser)

Suspensions:
Onterrio Smith (backup RB, out for middle of season)
Kenny Mixon (Starting LE)


Our O-Line was supposed to be one of the leagues best, but if you watched the MNF game after Rosenthal went out, they can't hold a thing. Add to that a great blocking TE is out aswell. Then our secondary, which hasn't looked good at all this year I might add, loses a starter. We have holes everywhere and we aren't good enough to play around it. I am probably missing some people too.

[Gonzo]

I thought that Minnesota could legitimately compete with the Eagles last night. But alas, the Eagles stomped them a mudhole, I think the Eagles are the NFC rep this year in the big dance. Until we see who they lose to and why, I don't think anyone can topple them this year. Unless of course, they get some odd batch of injuries.

We all know Jevon Kearse will get some turf toe walking through his house to get a soda.

[BCWWF]

Personally I didn't think the Eagles looked very good last night, we just looked worse. They didn't pressure Duante that much until Rosenthal left the game. Daunte completed tonns of passes. Our running backs were depleted, and that is supposed to be a weakness for the Eagles, blocking the running game. TO didn't do a lot and McNabb had some throws that were real off target.

They legitimately beat us, I'm not going to lie that they outplayed us and everything, but I wouldn't say they dominated us by any means. I see the Eagles losing in the playoffs again to a team with a better defense and an average offense. I'm not sure who that is in the NFC yet though.

[BCWWF]

Somebody help! I have three bad fantasy QB's and don't know which one to sit!

Favre, Garcia, or Harrington!!!!

Whats your choice? I have Harrington down now since he is playing the Eagles, but I'm afraid he is going to come up big!!! HELP!!!

[road doggy dogg]

What the hell, Minnesota doesn't even have a lot of injuries, compared to other teams. Steve Smith and Stephen Davis? David Boston and Ricky Williams? (not an injury but same idea) Deuce McAllister? Charles Rogers, Dre Bly, Andre Goodman? Kellen Winslow, Lee Suggs? A lot of teams have injury problems, this year it seems to be worse than normally. Teams have to adjust to that. You're right, if the Vikings can't adjust then they will suck this year.


The Eagles haven't proved anything yet. They played a horrible team in the Giants, and a weak Minnesota secondary. This week they play Detroit, which is by no means a real test of their ability. Wait until at least week 6 when they finally play a decent defensive team in Carolina. How the Eagles got such an easy schedule is beyond me, but they're beating the teams they should so at least you can say that much about them.

[road doggy dogg]

LOL @ Favre being "bad".. well he is playing in a dome, but otherwise he's one of the better fantasy QBs so I don't know what you're talking about


And come on, really. Do you have to ask that... Garcia is poop, Harrington is still borderline and facing a tough D, and Favre is playing a horrible Colts secondary.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah. Favre probably won't win the game. He should have a great day statistically though. Not only is he playing a bad secondary but I'm thinking his whole problem playing in domes is over. He had a good game last year losing to St. Louis and he beat Minnesota.

[BCWWF]

Just because they aren't running backs and wide recievers doesn't mean they aren't important

[The Outlaw]

...:wtf:

[VonErich Lives]

ok, giving this a bump.... went through and just took everyones div winners.

there were 15 people.

In last place, all alone.

Dave Wadding, Dave would have been in a 4 way tie for last place, but for some reason updated his NFC east to have the Eagles last. So, he got 2 out of 8 correct.

3 way tie for 12th with 3 out of 8.

Cheebs, #1 WWf Fan, & Rain Man. (#1 WWF Fan was the only on who didn't pick the Pats and one of 3 who didn't pick Philly.

5th place (7way tie)

Tioe, BCWWF, Miz, Slextremly, El Freg, Gertner & Vel.

We were all 4 of 4., BCWW was one of 3 not to take Philly, I was one of two to take the Rams and had Seattle lost last night, I would have been in first all alone. ;(

First place. 4 way tie!
Mattitiude, RDD, Guest #1 & Gonzo all going 5 for 8.

They had the same picks w/ 2 exceptions. Guest #1 didn't have Greenbay, but he was the only one in the whole thing to pick Atlanta (that gets an honerable mention!)

[road doggy dogg]

So 13-3 was a bit optimistic. Hey, they still won their division, and I was only off by 3.

[DaveWadding]

In last place, all alone.

Dave Wadding, Dave would have been in a 4 way tie for last place, but for some reason updated his NFC east to have the Eagles last. So, he got 2 out of 8 correct.

Who cares, I won the pick 'em league anyways :D.

Also, what kind of crack are you on? I picked the Pats, Colts and Eagles and all 3 won the division :wtf:

-edit-I see what you're talking about now, but if you really thought that I seriously thought the Eagles would go 2-14, I pity you.

[BCWWF]

I did so choose Philly :rant:

Mine were: Patriots, Ravens, Colts, Chiefs, Vikings, Seahawks, Panthers, Eagles


I also had the Steelers and Chargers losing their respective divisions, but thats beyond the point.