Rate The Wrestler - Day 23 - Jushin Lyger

[Mister Sinister]

Well, Kevin Nash day is over, and day 23 is finally here, and while Nash was yesterday wrestler, today wrestler is completely different in style, As Nash may be hugely over with American crowds, today Wrestler is consider a god in Japan, and has had great matches with our current number 3 ranked wrestler in Brian Pillman...Also Nash scored a 61

Day 1: Bret Hart (96)
Day 2: Chris Jericho (91)
Day 3: Rob Van Dam (78)
Day 4: Diamond Dallas Page (80)
Day 5: Low Ki (73)
Day 6: A.J Styles (89)
Day 7 : Rey Mysterio Jr. (81)
Day 8: Owen Hart (95)
Day 9: Ultimo Dragon (84)
Day 10: Raven (87)
Day 11: "British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (84)
Day 12: The Hurricane (76)
Day 13: Brian Pillman (92)
Day 14: John Bradshaw Leyfield (46)
Day 15: Taz (82)
Day 16: Bob "Hardcore" Holly (34)
Day 17: Christian (83)
Day 18: Ric Flair (87)
Day 19: Jeff Jarrett (65)
Day 20: Shawn Michaels (92)
Day 21: Ricky "Dragon" Steamboat (90)
Day 22: Kevin Nash (61)

Current Top 10 Leaderboard
1.Bret Hart (96)
2. Owen Hart (95)
3. Brian Pillman, Shawn Michaels (92)
4. Chris Jericho (91)
5. Ricky Steamboat (90)
6. AJ Styles (89)
7. Ric Flair, Raven (87)
8. Ultimo Dragon, British Bulldog (84)
9. Christian (83)
10. Taz (82)

[HeartBreakMan2k]

9.21

[Bad Company]

8

[mitch_h]

8.5

[Innovator]

9

[asphyXy]

8.3

[Loose Cannon]

Didn't see enough of Lyger to vote

[Mister Sinister]

Okay, Sorry Revamping this thing for the last time, I'm adding one more Category, which is my biased category of how I like the Wrestler

Wrestling Ability/Workrate: 9.2 (His Matches were great, he is a legend because of this)

Overness: 8.2 (Too make Thing Short, Is a God in Japan, A Legend to Internet Fans and longtime Wrestling Fans, and basically an Unknown to the new wave of Wrestling fans)

Potential: N/A (Since I haven't seen work of him in years, I can't judge him here)

Charisma: N/A (Never heard a Lyger Promo and don't even known if he can speak english)

Finisher/Movelist: 8 (I loved his Running Lyger Bombs, as well as his Shooting Star Presses)

Influence: 9.5 (Lyger may be the man along with Pillman who introduce High Flying Wrestling to American fans and is proberly influenced many of the Cruisers in the world today)

My Opinion: 9.5 (I love Lyger, always have, I looked up to him, besides his so called Attitude and I love his matches...so yeah)

Overall:8.9

[DaveWadding]

9

[Mayo]

8.65

[Jerichoholic]

9.5 because he deserves more love than this :mad:

[BigDaddyCool]

I've never seen Lyger, just heard of him, he's probably is overrated.

[mike616]

Lyger no problem:9.0 he's awesome I grewup wacthing his matches I wolud love too see him vs. AJ Styles.

[BigDaddyCool]

Here is a thought, it is easy for a Lyger to get a very high score, when like 10 people vote in the 9 range, and very hard for a Shawn McMicheals or Ric Flair to get the same score when 50 people vote from 3 to perfect 10. It is like having Joe Schmoe compare a Harley Davison Fatboy to an OCC custom. Sure they are both motorcycles, but the average person would probably only have seen, let alone ridden a Harley. So while both are good, and might even be equally good (just for the example, but they probably aren't), more people can rate the Harley truthfully than the OCC.

So, if you can follow me on that, Ric Flair is a house hold name and is one of the most influencal wrestlers, ever, but some ass clown named A.J. Styles is ranked higher than Flair mostly because less people voted for Styles, and voted high because Styles has yet to have a career as long, and has had less chance to embrace himself like the way Ric has, so the grading is off as well. Ric is being graded on more. I love this idea we have going here, but tthere should be a way to even this out. I don't know, like steal the point system from the olympics, where you start with so many points per wrestler, like starting Ric off at a 10, and the taking points away, instead of coming up with some random point. I don't know, I might just be talking out of my ass.

[The Fugitive]

10.

[Aussie Skier]

Discussing big daddy Cool's post

yep

ppl like me have never seen him b4, evidently he is very good, so alot of ppl are going to vote for him (who have seen him) and will vote high.

so i suppose it is a little bias, but no big deal

[Mister Sinister]

Here is a thought, it is easy for a Lyger to get a very high score, when like 10 people vote in the 9 range, and very hard for a Shawn McMicheals or Ric Flair to get the same score when 50 people vote from 3 to perfect 10. It is like having Joe Schmoe compare a Harley Davison Fatboy to an OCC custom. Sure they are both motorcycles, but the average person would probably only have seen, let alone ridden a Harley. So while both are good, and might even be equally good (just for the example, but they probably aren't), more people can rate the Harley truthfully than the OCC.

So, if you can follow me on that, Ric Flair is a house hold name and is one of the most influencal wrestlers, ever, but some ass clown named A.J. Styles is ranked higher than Flair mostly because less people voted for Styles, and voted high because Styles has yet to have a career as long, and has had less chance to embrace himself like the way Ric has, so the grading is off as well. Ric is being graded on more. I love this idea we have going here, but tthere should be a way to even this out. I don't know, like steal the point system from the olympics, where you start with so many points per wrestler, like starting Ric off at a 10, and the taking points away, instead of coming up with some random point. I don't know, I might just be talking out of my ass.

Well, there is something I'm planning on doing in the future, however it only applies to people like AJ Styles and the lesser known guys, because they aren't that well known, every 2-3 months or so, I will re-evalulate them, and have them up for re-voting, around that time, I will go thru a massive update of downloadable matches, info, full-depth reviews, to get the general public more indepth with the characters, As for Flair, well he won't get, since he has had a longer explosure to the business and had so many more votes, Just because Styles is tied with Flair for now, doesn't mean he is be there when he is put up for re-vote.

Also, People are allowed to change there votes at any time, as long as they give me a notice of doing so, via Privite Message, Posting in a RTW Topic or by IM...since I keep record of how many points, votes, etc each person got so I can easily modifly it if need be, as long as they don't greatly change the number, no more then two full points difference, and if they deceide to do so, please tell me what you voted before and what you're changing your vote to

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

9.2

[LK]

8

[Transplant]

9.5

[Dave Youell]

9

[Evil Vito]

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[CosaNostra]

9

[SuperSlim]

Lyger is by no means overrated... I give the guy a freakin 9

[Eunos]

I have no ideas who this guy is :(

and why isnt this sticky and Kevin nash still is?

[HankScorpio]

haven't seen much, but what I've seen I've liked so...8.6

[Mister Sinister]

I have no ideas who this guy is :(

and why isnt this sticky and Kevin nash still is?

Because I'm still waiting for one of the mods to do so, I haven't seen funky and I beleive he is the one who normally does it

[Sephiroth]

9

[Supermark101]

9

[KayfabeMan]

7

[Mister Sinister]

Here is a thought, it is easy for a Lyger to get a very high score, when like 10 people vote in the 9 range, and very hard for a Shawn McMicheals or Ric Flair to get the same score when 50 people vote from 3 to perfect 10. It is like having Joe Schmoe compare a Harley Davison Fatboy to an OCC custom. Sure they are both motorcycles, but the average person would probably only have seen, let alone ridden a Harley. So while both are good, and might even be equally good (just for the example, but they probably aren't), more people can rate the Harley truthfully than the OCC.

So, if you can follow me on that, Ric Flair is a house hold name and is one of the most influencal wrestlers, ever, but some ass clown named A.J. Styles is ranked higher than Flair mostly because less people voted for Styles, and voted high because Styles has yet to have a career as long, and has had less chance to embrace himself like the way Ric has, so the grading is off as well. Ric is being graded on more. I love this idea we have going here, but tthere should be a way to even this out. I don't know, like steal the point system from the olympics, where you start with so many points per wrestler, like starting Ric off at a 10, and the taking points away, instead of coming up with some random point. I don't know, I might just be talking out of my ass.

The Thing is, everyone has there own unique why of how they do there votes, and I think alot of it, has to do with the Present, instead of the past and present, if they being the case, I can see why AJ is ahead of Flair, he currently he more things going for him, He the most over guy in TNA, He got twice the athletic ability of Flair, etc...However, Since Flair is getting towards the end of his road as far as being a Wrestler goes, he will be put back up for re-voting, after he retires, which will have voting based on his whole career, instead of just the present. But Currently, if you even know who AJ is, you would pretty much agree he has more going for him at the moment and is the better wrestler over a past his prime, but still Decent Wrestler, Ric Flair

[Rob]

8.3

[Kapoutman]

8.5

[What Would Kevin Do?]

9.5.

I love his match with Muta where Muta rips off his mask, and Lyger has on Muta facepaint under his mask, and them mists Muta.

[Mortis45]

9, great wrestler.

[Loose Cannon]

STICKY :mad:

[Volchok]

never saw him.. i prolly have a old tape of him on it.. what fed has he wrestled in and around what time?

[Mister Sinister]

never saw him.. i prolly have a old tape of him on it.. what fed has he wrestled in and around what time?
He was in WCW here and there in the early 90's and made about 3 apperances in 99, however he is basically a Regular in New Japan Pro Wrestling

[Volchok]

i think i know who your talking about.. and if its the same person then def. a 9...

[FakeLaser]

9

[FakeLaser]

Observations on the list so far:

The fact that AJ Styles is higher rated than Ric Flair on this list makes the whole thing a fucking joke.

Come on, Jeff Jarrett is better than a 65. Jeff Jarrett is a 65 and DDP is an 81?

Bob Holly is a better worker than Bradshaw and Kevin Nash.

[Volchok]

yeah some things are a little screwy...

[Loose Cannon]

10.

how many 10's have you given so far?

[Mister Sinister]

Observations on the list so far:

The fact that AJ Styles is higher rated than Ric Flair on this list makes the whole thing a fucking joke.

Come on, Jeff Jarrett is better than a 65. Jeff Jarrett is a 65 and DDP is an 81?

Bob Holly is a better worker than Bradshaw and Kevin Nash.

That would be because some people are being stupid and no destinated system for voting...but it is not a fucking joke.... :'(

[Funky Fly]

Fake Razor has a point, but remember that some people aren't voting on wrestling ability alone (myself included). I break down my score into 5 separate categories and then take the mean, which becomes the final score. I do this so that you can see what's in my head at the time, a way of explaining myself, so to speak.

Jeff Jarrett is well above average as far as ring and mic skill, but his recent HHHing of the NWA title is what lowered his score, just check my ranking. Yeah, I rated AJ Styles higher than Ric Flair, but if you look at my ranking Ric Flair got 1 in politics and straight 10s in everything else. He IS a legend, he IS arguable the best, but he's also a complete asshole, who has hindered careers and rubbed A LOT of people the wrong way and I reflect that in my score at least. AJ Styles is a hell of a performer who excels in all aspects of wrestling. He's still got a ways to go as far as psychology, but over the last year, he's already made leaps and bounds in that aspect. He's still learning on the mic, but I see a big future for him in Japan or even in the USA if TNA or some other promotion can eventually match the WWE in terms of size and production value in the next 10 years.

Looking at the other side of the coin now, if I were to vote based on my inner mark alone, Flair would get 1 since I am a Hart mark and his comments and brown nosing piss me off. I'm sure that's how a lot of people (who shall remain nameless) have been voting with their constant 1s.

And that's my rant. Now, on to the rating.

Ring ability: 10
Overness: 8
Work rate: 10
Politics: 6 (he's quite a bastard actually)
Mic skill: N/A
Overall rank: 8.5

[Savio]

Bob holly is better then no one. Thats a joke.

[Funky Fly]

Bob holly is better then no one. Thats a joke.
He is better than Nash. He's nowhere near as bad as far as ability, politics (although beating up that Tough Enough kid twice makes me wonder) and work rate. The only area Nash is better than him is mic skill.

[BigDaddyCool]

He is better than Nash. He's nowhere near as bad as far as ability, politics (although beating up that Tough Enough kid twice makes me wonder) and work rate. The only area Nash is better than him is mic skill.

I don't know, Nash is more over than Holly could ever be. And prehaps you should include a cross over category too, you know, like how Rock and Hogan have gotten into movies, or Cena and Macho Man have gotten into rap....

[Loose Cannon]

Nah, Nash is way better then Holly IMO. Nash entertained me for a while there. I really enjoyed him in WCW. Holly never entertained me once.

[Mister Sinister]

Bob holly is better then no one. Thats a joke.

Plus, this isn't just based on Wrestling Ability, or else I wouldn't of even rated Nash a 5 instead of a 7.6

[Funky Fly]

Nah, Nash is way better then Holly IMO. Nash entertained me for a while there. I really enjoyed him in WCW. Holly never entertained me once.
See, that's the thing. I don't include my personal entertainment in my ratings, otherwise Bobcore would be in the negative numbers. He's not entertaining at all, but as far as the stuff I mentioned, he's better than Nash. Nash is decent as an entertainer, but ultimately can't move in the ring and has to hold people down.

[FakeLaser]

Jeff Jarrett is well above average as far as ring and mic skill, but his recent HHHing of the NWA title is what lowered his score, just check my ranking.The fact that I haven't watched wrestling in over 2 years could be why I'd rate Jarrett higher.

[FakeLaser]

Also, come on, Kevin Nash isn't better than anyone in the ring really. At least Holly is mobile and has a beautiful dropkick. I never enjoyed Holly on any level really, but he's clearly more talented in the ring than Kevin Nash.

[Funky Fly]

Also, come on, Kevin Nash isn't better than anyone in the ring really. At least Holly is mobile and has a beautiful dropkick. I never enjoyed Holly on any level really, but he's clearly more talented in the ring than Kevin Nash.
I agree actually. Anyway, there's a new RTW coming anytime now, so let's continue the convo in that topic, since I typically close these when the next one starts.

[Mister Sinister]

okay it's up