The Official 2004-2005 NBA Season Thread

[Splaya]

Go ahead and discuss the 2004-2005 season in here.


My pick to win it : Detroit Pistons

[The Miz]

The season doesn't start for another month and a half, and the Off Season thread is still running. How about you don't post anymore.

[BCWWF]

The Wolves would have won last year if Cassell was healthy, add Hudson, they are my pick :love:

[DaveWadding]

Minnesota is your pick in everything.

[BCWWF]

In the three big sports, its totally legit that we have a chance to win them all.

NBA the clear choices are Spurs or Wolves, obviously I am going to take the Wolves, I'll spare the details.

MLB the Twins are hot going into the playoffs, anything can happen there.

NFL The Vikings will probably choke, but they have the talent offensively, if they put it together defensively they can't be thrown out of anything.

So yes, I do side with Minnesota teams, but its not like I am calling bad teams good just because they are from Minnesota. All three of those teams are legit good. If any of them was to win a major championship this year, I would predict it to be the Wolves.

[DaveWadding]

I'm teasing you, you dirty asshole. :p

[BCWWF]

I didn't realize it until now, but look at Dallas' lineup

C Dampier
PF Dirk
SF Stackhouse
SG Finley
PG Terry

That is suddenly a pretty impressive starting five, but do they have the bench to back it up?

[The Icon of Elisim]

Shawn Bradley
Marquis Daniels
Dan Dickau (I still think he can be good)
Devin Harris
Josh Howard
Alan Henderson
Paval Plodzkine

There are holes on the bench but some of the guys could easily step up if they have the chance, nonetheless they have good depth

[AlphaBean]

Pavel is my pick for ROTY.

[Bigg Mike]

Detroit pretty much didn't make any changes. They lost Okur and added McDyess which balances each other out. Darko might do something year :dunno:.
I think they still have a really good chance to capture it again.
I wish New York would make it, but that just won't be happening anytime soon.
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[loopydate]

I just met Darvin Ham and got my picture taken with him, Barb Farris (from the Shock), and the O'Brien trophy (and whatever they call the WNBA title).

So, naturally (even if it wasn't already), my pick to repeat is the Pistons.

[Bigg Mike]

Also, I think Denver will be maybe the top 5 in the west. I forgot how good they are/got. The biggest piece they will miss is Jon Barry, a good outside shooter. However, they bulked up by adding Kenyon Martin, alongside Nene Hilario and Marcus Camby. Nene can be used as good trade bait to land a good outside shooter to replace Barry.
Oh yeah and Rodney White.
Denver is the blue collar team in the West, kinda like Detroit in the East. No real star, just alot of really good players.

[BCWWF]

Detroit has four potential All-Stars or former all-stars still. Also, I believe that Barry is still unsigned, meaning he could go back and probably will. I may have missed something though.

[DaveWadding]

Barry signed with Atlanta...

[BCWWF]

I missed that. Sucks for him

[Bigg Mike]

I've been thinking about Charlotte lately, and I think Gerald Wallace is going to transform into a good player this year. Basically, he has to, as no one else in Charlotte looks capable of actually doing anything.
I think he'll be a good fantasy pick up when the leagues start.

[BCWWF]

They're in the West now. Move Milwaukee to the West, Orlando to KC and the West, put Charlotte back in the East and add Memphis aswell, and you've got yourself a league.

[Bigg Mike]

I thought New Orleans went to the West, not charlotte.

[BCWWF]

Oh what the fuck, I totally just fucked up the Hornets thing. My bad, but my position still stands about Orlando and Milwaukee for NO and Memphis

[Bigg Mike]

Haha, that's what I thought.

Anyway, do you see the Magic selling their team anytime soon? Are there rumors about it or something? Or just wishful thinking?

[BCWWF]

I haven't heard anything about it since, but about a month ago the Kansas City talk radio was going crazy. Apparantly the Magic don't draw well and refuse to remodel their arena. The management set it up so that they have a really good lease and can leave their arena at any time basically. At the same time Kansas City really wants a team (apparantly) and they already have a brand new arena built that the Magic could move into, I think this season? Maybe not though. Haven't really heard about anything for a while though.

[Bigg Mike]

Since the Nuggets lost Barry, it appears they are trying to get Lucious Harris, who can be an easy replacement for him. That's good news for both, as I liked Harris on the Nets, and the Nuggets can definitly benefit from a decent outside shooter coming off the bench.

[BCWWF]

They could benefit from a Clyde Drexler too :shifty:

[Bigg Mike]

:lol:

All this talk about vets coming back to the NBA.
Jayson Williams, Clyde Drexler, Dennis Rodman, Zo, Michael Jordan was rumored but doesn't seem to be leading to anywhere.
I'm sure I'm forgetting someone...
Clyde Drexler was one of my favorite players, he shouldn't come back as a player, he whould should come back as a mentor.

[BCWWF]

Drexler would be so random, I don't know what he's thinking. That would be pretty cool of Jordan came back for a year and won a title with the Heat though.

[Bigg Mike]

How would it be cool?
How many times is this guy going to retire then return??
I can understand these guys wanting to play again, but they should've extended their careers instead of retiring early, and made better decisions. If they want to come back, come back as mentors to help the younger generation experience what they did.
Like Clyde or MJ can help Wade or someone like him. Dwayne Wade is my favorite rookie from last years class, and was my favorite over 'Bron and Melo before the draft even took place. I was glad he went to Miami, and he did well playing out of his natural position. I think he could benefit from learning from Drexler or Jordan, and I think that is exactly what they should do. He was the only younger player on the Olympic squad to take his role as it was without complaining. :yes:

[Apprentice]

A bit off topic but I heard David Aldridge isn't with ESPN anymore. Any news on that? I'm surprised cuz he seemed to be a mainstay with the NBA crew.

[BCWWF]

No idea? I don't know where else he would have gone since he was a pretty big on a pretty big network??

[BCWWF]

Did anybody see that Carmelo Anthony was caught with some marijuana in his backpack yesterday? Lol, its such BS he is claiming that "a friend borrowed the backpack and left it in there" That is clearly such bs, but you know he gets out of any trouble.

[Apprentice]

Yea, of course he's gonna deny it. But if he does end up confessing, that'll be a suspension of like 1 or 2 games or something. I think Odom was caught like twice already so the next one I think would be a very big suspension... but i could be wrong.

Good job Carmelo! Try not to end up like Isiah Rider.

[BCWWF]

I could see the Nuggets falling apart this year. Carmelo could easilly hit a big sophomore slump and add Kenyon Martin to the mix too now. There are so many bad attitudes on that team, they might as well add Rodman.

[DaveWadding]

I could see the Nuggets falling apart this year. Carmelo could easilly hit a big sophomore slump and add Kenyon Martin to the mix too now. There are so many bad attitudes on that team, they might as well add Rodman.

Keep dreaming, dude.

[BCWWF]

Since K-Mart hasn't already jacked Nene in the face, Carmelo hasn't been caught with pot and benched for being selfish in the olympics, I think theres a few attitude problems on the team.

[RoXer]

Suns are looking pretty hot...because...they're...suns....GET IT?

pg Steve Nash
sg Q. Richardson/Joe Johnson
sf Shawn Marion
pf Amare Stoudamare
c Voskuhl/Hunter

Cabarkaba, Jacobson, Barbosa, and Eisley can come off the bench. I forgot who we drafted this year. Is he any good? We definitly need some help at center, even though Hunter is awesome in my ESPN 2K5 season. I should definitly start attending some games this year. I think now is the time for people in Phoenix to jump on the "We Support The Suns" bandwagon.

Still rooting for the Warriors and Raptors. Outlook not so good though. :/

[DaveWadding]

Suns are looking pretty hot...because...they're...suns....GET IT?

pg Steve Nash
sg Q. Richardson/Joe Johnson
sf Shawn Marion
pf Amare Stoudamare
c Voskuhl/Hunter

Cabarkaba, Jacobson, Barbosa, and Eisley can come off the bench. I forgot who we drafted this year. Is he any good? We definitly need some help at center, even though Hunter is awesome in my ESPN 2K5 season. I should definitly start attending some games this year. I think now is the time for people in Phoenix to jump on the "We Support The Suns" bandwagon.

Still rooting for the Warriors and Raptors. Outlook not so good though. :/
Q WILL, mark my words, start. They didn't put all that money out for his ass to sit on the bench. The guy they drafted this year's name is Jackson Vroman. I don't know anything about him, however. When have the Suns EVER been good at Center since we had Neal Walk...seriously.

[RoXer]

Yeah, Vroman. I taded him and Eisley for a first round pick. Cleared up some cap room too.

Yeah, we've never had a good center. Then again, I've only lived here for like 5 years so I don't know the entire histiry BUT STILL.

You haveta admit though, they're looking pretty good this year.

[Innovator]

GO NEW YORK GO NEW YORK GO

[BabyHugger]

I dn if this was said yet, but arent they going to have a lockout too>?

[BCWWF]

Not that I've heard of? :?:

[DegenerationY]

The Warriors will have a winning record this season. I see it on the horizon.

[DaveWadding]

Yeah, Vroman. I taded him and Eisley for a first round pick. Cleared up some cap room too.

Yeah, we've never had a good center. Then again, I've only lived here for like 5 years so I don't know the entire histiry BUT STILL.

You haveta admit though, they're looking pretty good this year.
well I've been a Suns diehard since I was born...to be honest, this is the best that they've looked since the Finals season in 92-93. Lots of depth...but still no Center...then again there isn't Shaq to worry about anymore either.

[BCWWF]

The Suns could get as high as a 6 or 7 seed this year, I think they need a little more depth to go any higher.

[RoXer]

The Warriors will have a winning record this season. I see it on the horizon.
:love:
We can hope.


Actually, they made the 3rd seed in the playoffs in my video game. So, you never know.

[BCWWF]

The Timberwolves are also not very in video games. They aren't accurate.

[BabyHugger]

THis is what I was talking about, it was for next year though. Oops.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/7812610

[Corkscrewed]

I'll be ecstatic if my Lakers even MAKE it to the playoffs. Right now, I think I have them penciled in as finishing 10th in the West in my predictions. :(


My Finals pick is Detroit vs San Antonio in the ugliest, most defensive Finals you will ever see in your lifetime. I haven't decided who would win that one... prolly Detroit, but in 7.

[Apprentice]

Don't worry Corky. As another resident LA guy who roots for the Lakers, I think they'll surprise people. Kobe has shown he can score 30 a game if he wanted to. And in the preseason so far, Mihm has been a pleasant surprise and Brian Cook is actually making 3's. He actually went 3-3 the other day against the Clippers, which boggles my mind. He shoots like Shawn Marion, but I could never figure out how Marion scores either. I think Lakers will battle for the Pacific till the end, but it'll take a miracle or two for them to get back to the Finals.

[DaveWadding]

The Lakers (and all the people who jump on the bandwagon in LA) piss me off.

[Apprentice]

Well I'd agree with you 3 years ago but I don't see a bandwagon for the Lakers right now. I've been a fan since the 80s and through the miserable 90s so don't think that all Laker fans are "bandwagon fans". If anything, people are jumping off the bandwagon since everyone left the team.

[BCWWF]

The Lakers would have to play really poor to miss the playoffs. They still have good players, why don't people understand that?

[loopydate]

I'm with B C Two Dubs.

The Lakers won't win their division or anything, but they'll make the playoffs. They might even make the conference semis (might). The Kobe-Shaq-Phil conflict is gone, and now they have a good handful of young players who will get a lot of playing time now that the triangle offense and Hack-A-Shaq is gone.

I can see the Lakers getting a #6 seed, then potentially knocking off a #3. Especially if they're going to make the three division winners the top three seeds in each conference now. If the top couple of teams in, say, the Southwest beat each other up in the closing weeks of the season, LA could bump pull off an upset.

Rudy T is a good coach, and he has good depth in the front court. It's obviously going to be Kobe's team this year, but if Medvedenko has a good year or someone like Caron Butler or Brian Grant, Kobe's going to get more shots than he has in the past.

I think Kobe will win the scoring title this year.

[BCWWF]

Loopydate is right on so many levels. Their division has the Clippers, the Warriors, and the Suns. Thats a huge advantage over the teams in the Rockets-Spurs-Mavericks-Hornets-Grizzlies.

Anybody who has ever watched a game of basketball knows that Kobe Bryant is a great player, overall one of the five most talented players in the league. KG, TD, Kobe, T-Mac, AI are probably the five guys with the most talent in the league. Kobe is a better shooter than T-Mac and AI, he is still one of the best players in the league. Shaqs absense will change his game, but it won't turn him into a shitty player, FYI.

And don't be surprised when the Lakers start getting big play from their big men. Look at who they have on the perimeter, Kobe-Kareem Rush-Caron Butler-Deavon George-Chucky Atkins. The other teams will have to move out on them leaving Lamar Odom and Vlade Divac inside with easy layups.

They will be a very different team, but in a head to head I think they are better than the Heat. Sure, the Heat have a rejuvinated Shaq, a solid scorer in Eddie Jones, and a young point guard in Dwayne Wade, but besides that their they have nobody who is going to contribute. They are not a title contender, they don't have any depth beyond three guys, and when you have shitty starters you aren't going far.

[The Outlaw]

lol

[BCWWF]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/powerranking?season=2005&week=-1

These are rediculous if you ask me.

[BCWWF]

Courtesy NY Post

Anyone lucky enough to be playing in the NBA or working for it is overpaid. That's my educated position.

Then there are those said affiliates who are obscenely overpaid; Latrell Sprewell, for example. The free- agent-in-waiting is on the Wolves' bloated books this season for $14.625M and earnestly believes he shouldn't take as much as a penny pay cut over the next three years from Minnesota or any team.

In his twisted view, Sprewell evidently thinks he's salaried on the cheap. In his warped analysis, he feels he deserves a raise (as if he wasn't sufficiently overly rewarded last season, $13.5M), for providing effective effort and pressure points playing off MVP Kevin Garnett and helping lead his franchise past the first round (deep into the third) for the first time in its history.

Should Wolves owner Glen Taylor refuse to considerably upgrade his "insulting" three-year offer (the $30M vicinity) before commencement exercises Nov. 3, Sprewell vows to forever flee Minnesota at season's end.

Well, I've got news for Sprewell: at 35 (Sept. 8, 1970) he's not going to get such a warm financial response from any other team. Not that he isn't dreadfully experienced in running amuck in such mine fields and plundering them. Still, forcing this particular issue, it says here, will prove to be a calculably, uncorrectable error.

Finding a $15M plus taker for his over-ripened services? I can't envision that happening. Sprewell would have a better second chance of squeezing blood from a stoned P.J. Carlesimo.

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I'm glad that somebody understands

[Buzzkill]

PORTLANDS GOIN ALL THE WAY THIS YEAR

[DaveWadding]

Spree wants a trade now. What a fucking baby.

[BCWWF]

Is that new as of today? Ill brb.

[BCWWF]

Wow what a huge douche bag. I'm getting these off hoopshype...

Why would I want to help them win a title? They're not doing anything for me. I've got a lot at risk here. I've got my family to feed."

And the papers were saying how much Sprewell was coming around finally. Now we are just going to dump him off to a shitty team like Toronto. Maybe we'll be nice and let him go back to New York, he cries about being traded every day.

All summer people were talking about trading Wally, and the whole time I said that if we're going to trade somebody, Sprewell is the guy to go. He is old and incredibly inconsistant last year. When he was hot he could win the game for us single handedly, but that didn't happen much. I honestly don't think it will hurt us that much to let him go, I think it'd be worse if he stayed now. Wally is good, you can deny it but he has great career numbers, and now it will take away the drama of who comes off the bench, maybe get us a good draft pick at the same time. If Sprewell is going to be a little pussy, then let him go.

[BCWWF]

Also, I wouldn't take that as complete fact yet because it was only in the Pioneer Press and they have had the tentdency to report things wrong, such as every Wally trade in the last year. I'd wait a day to make sure, but from all indications it looks like Spre is gone.

[BCWWF]

Scratch that, pretty much the same article was in the Star Tribune today too.

[DaveWadding]

He's a baby...and he's not worth almost 15 mil a year like he wants...

9 mil per is insulting? FUCK YOU SPREWELL

[BCWWF]

Dave, he's got a family to feed you bastard :rant:

[DaveWadding]

For 9 mil a year, I could feed my family including pets 3 square meals of caviar and Cristal a day. :p

[BCWWF]

Any ideas on the trade. I could see somethign with the Pacers. The Knicks like to think they are going to get talent off the Wolves, but they don't realize that they have nobody who another team wants.

[Apprentice]

If the Twolves are smart, they'd trade for a center. Perhaps they could trade him to the Bulls for Eddy Curry. Even though Curry is somewhat overrated, he's a whole lot better than Kandi-crap.

[The Miz]

Post predictions dicks

EASTERN
Atlantic
New York Knicks
Boston Celtics
Philadelphia 76ers
New Jersey Nets
Toronto Raptors

Central
Detroit Pistons
Indiana Pacers
Cleveland Cavaliers
Milwaukee Bucks
Chicago Bulls

Southeast
Miami Heat
Orlando Magic
Atlanta Hawks
Charlotte Bobcats
Washington Wizards

WESTERN
Northwest
Minnesota Timberwolves
Utah Jazz
Denver Nuggets
Portland Trailblazers
Seattle SuperSonics :(

Pacific
Phoenix Suns
Sacramento Kings
Los Angeles Lakers
Golden State Warriors
Los Angeles Clippers

Southwest
San Antonio Spurs
Dallas Mavericks
Houston Rockets
New Orleans Hornets
Memphis Grizzlies

WEST
1. Minnesota
2. San Antonio
3. Phoenix
4. Utah
5. Dallas
6. Houston
7. Los Angeles Lakers
8. Sacramento

EAST
1. Detroit
2. Indiana
3. Miami
4. New York
5. Cleveland
6. Boston
7. Orlando
8. Philadelphia

Wolves over Kings
Spurs over Lakers
Suns over Rockets
Jazz over Mavs
Pistons over Sixers
Pacers over Magic
Heat over Celtics
Knicks over Cavs

Wolves over Jazz
Spurs over Suns
Pistons over Knicks
Heat over Pacers

Spurs over Wolves
Pistons over Heat

San Antonio Spurs def. Detroit Pistons, 4-3

League MVP: Kevin Garnett, MIN
Rookie of the Year: Emeka Okafor, CHA
Coach of the Year: Jerry Sloan, UTA

[Loose Cannon]

Miz w/ Suns in 1st :love:

[BCWWF]

I'll make my picks in a little bit, but I think that the Miz has better picks then most of the so called "experts"

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think the Celtics are going to win the Atlantic Divison this season

[The Outlaw]

Spree is the man

[DaveWadding]

EASTERN
Atlantic
New York Knicks
Boston Celtics
Philadelphia 76ers
Toronto Raptors
New Jersey Nets


Central
Detroit Pistons
Indiana Pacers
Cleveland Cavaliers
Milwaukee Bucks
Chicago Bulls

Southeast
Miami Heat
Orlando Magic
Atlanta Hawks
Washington Wizards
Charlotte Bobcats


WESTERN
Northwest
Minnesota Timberwolves
Denver Nuggets
Utah Jazz
Portland Trailblazers
Seattle SuperSonics

Pacific
Phoenix Suns
Sacramento Kings
Los Angeles Lakers
Golden State Warriors
Los Angeles Clippers

Southwest
San Antonio Spurs
Houston Rockets
Dallas Mavericks
Memphis Grizzlies
New Orleans Hornets


WEST
1. Minnesota
2. San Antonio
3. Phoenix
4. Denver
5. Houston
6. Dallas
7. Utah
8. Sacramento

EAST
1. Detroit
2. Indiana
3. Miami
4. New York
5. Cleveland
6. Boston
7. Orlando
8. Philadelphia

Wolves over Kings
Spurs over Utah
Suns over Dallas
Denver over Houston
Pistons over Sixers
Pacers over Magic
Heat over Celtics
Knicks over Cavs

Wolves over Denver
Spurs over Suns
Pistons over Knicks
Pacers over Heat

Wolves over Spurs
Pacers over Pistons

Wolves over Pistons 4-3

[Splaya]

Wadding, you gotta be kidding me??? Pacers over Pistons. That is a terrible pick.

[Splaya]

TONIGHT BABY, RINGS ARE HANDED OUT, BANNERS ARE RAISED, AND THE DEFENSE OF A CHAMPIONSHIP BEGINS



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BASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTBALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[BCWWF]

Alright, here I go.

ESPN.com has the Lakers ranked 10th in the West and like 16th in the whole NBA in their power rankings. From the start, I have been one to stand up and say that they are totally underrated and that Kobe Bryant's talent is going unnoticed because of the drama going around his name. After tonights game, beating the team that ESPN has ranked fifth overall I think, you have to give the Lakers some respect.

Kobe Bryant played a team game. He didn't shoot very much at all in the first half and kept setting up Chris Mihm for a career high in scoring. Then in the second half he broke out and ended the game with 25 points. This was a game where Kobe Bryant made his team better. Who knows if its going to last, but I wouldn't bet the farm that is does. What makes it so that Kobe Bryant can't change when he heard all of the criticism in the off season? T-Mac was criticized that he wasn't a team player and couldn't carry a team, but then he said he could with Yao and everybody forgot about it.

Kobe Bryant is being terribly underrated and so are the Los Angeles Lakers. They will be between 5-7 seed in the playoffs, mark my words.

[BCWWF]

Try this on for size...

This year, Dikembe Motumbo will be making 2.7 million dollars more than Kevin Garnett, and Allan Houston will be making 1.5 million more. Those two guys are being paid more money this season than anybody in the NBA, excluding Shaquile O'Neil. New York Knicks baby.

[Ninti the Mad]

omg

Have any of you guys seen the Spurs passing game these past two games?

It's improved 200% from last year.

We already took out the Kings and the Lakers and are 2 - 0.

I guess Lakers dont count though. :lol:

[The Outlaw]

Yeah but TMac in Lando shouldn't even have been brought up, considering he had....oh yeah noone besides Howard? Tyronn Lue? Come on the only reason Lue is even noticed is because he played with Shaq and Kobe when they weren't bitch fighting.

But yeah, they showed how good they were against the Jazz. ;) I think they'll do alright though.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Celtics whooped up on the Knicks the other night, I am liking what I am seeing

[BCWWF]

Both the Kings and the Lakers aren't nearly what they used to be, not taking anything away from the Spurs

[BCWWF]

Is anybody else watching this Dallas and Miami game? Dallas is just putting on a clinic, they almost have 100 points and its not even the 4th quarter yet

[Bigg Mike]

The Knicks got the Atlantic Division right now and are .500.
:cool:

[Kid Robb]

BULLS WIN!
BULLS WIN!

:D :D :D :D

[MVP]

Celtics played a hell of a game against the Bucks last night.

Gary Payton and Paul Pierce are a mad combination.

[BCWWF]

Anybody know a place you can get that Carmelo Anthony DVD?

[Apprentice]

This season has been really weird.
Just wanted to mention some things I didn't expect

Wizards having a better record than the Heat at this point.

The Hornets having one win.

Rockets well under .500

Brevin Knight averaging close to 10 assists

Mike Fratello coaching again

Sonics having the best record in the league.

Orlando having the best record in the east.

Ron Artest being suspended. ;)

[BCWWF]

I have opinions on most of these too

This season has been really weird.
Just wanted to mention some things I didn't expect

Wizards having a better record than the Heat at this point.

I knew the Heat wouldn't be as good as they were marked up to be, but they haven't been entirely what I expected. Dwayne Wade has made a showing a lot stronger than I thought. I thought there might be too much pressure on him, but he is holding down. Eddie Jones has been ass though, and Shaq needs to get healthy and the forwards need to be better role players if they want to have a shot at the finals.

The Hornets having one win.

This surprises me and it doesn't. I knew that they would have a big dropoff because they are in the best Division in B-ball. Then with Baron wanted to be traded and three of their top guys going down, I guess thats just how it works. It really is a shame though, Milwaukee should move to the West and either Memphis or New Orleans go back East.


Rockets well under .500

A friend of mine had a big debate last summer about this. I used what all the TPWW people used on me about KG but on T-Mac instead. I said that he was unproven and greedy, but because T-Mac said "I am going to work hard and win" my friend believed it. I also argued that if T-Mac was really as good as he was talked up to be, the Magic wouldn't have been so bad. I guarantee if you put KG on the Magic last year they would have won at least 10-15 more games. T-Mac is a great player, but he doesn't show the winning touch yet.

Brevin Knight averaging close to 10 assists

Not neccessarily Brevin Knight, but I am totally impressed by the Bobcats. They were predicted to come out just ass, but they are really doing decent. Emeka is playing real well, better than I though, and now they have my Mizzou boy Kareem Rush, he will be good over there. They have the core to be a good team in the future, and once they start getting more cap room they are on track to be pretty good if you ask me.

Sonics having the best record in the league.

This one shocked me too, but I was pleasantly surprised. Ray Allen is the shit, and Rashard is damn good too. Its just wierd that after losing Brent Barry and Calvin Booth ( :shifty: ) they break out. I don't see them falling too far down at any point in the year though.

Orlando having the best record in the east.

Before the season I thought Orlando would be pretty good this year, but I thought that for a different reason. We know Francis is a good player, but Mobley was really solid last year for the Rockets. This year he has pretty much been a non-factor, but Dwight Howard surely has been a factor. He is scoring much more than I thought, and he really could be the next big thing. I wasn't expecting that at all. Go Magic.

Ron Artest being suspended. ;)

Yeah, this surprised everybody. I really do think that the suspensions were kind of sharp. But I do hope that the Pacers still make the playoffs and do well. I honestly think that they will, and they have a good chance of making the Finals. I mean, Artest is damn good, but Jermaine and Stephan Jackson will be back, Tinsley and Fred Jones are hot, and Austin Croshere has been real hot lately too. I think that even without Artest they are a legit Eastern Conference Contender (especially with how streaky Detroit has been). Also, notice I didn't say Title Contender.


Other things that have surprised me so far about the season

<b>High scoring games again!</b>

Last year 2 teams averaged over 100 points per game, so far this year 6 do. Then I think 13 teams average 97 points so far. That makes the games more exciting and I think it will help the NBA.


<b>LeBron is King</b>

Wow, I knew he was good and that he was going to one day be amazing, but happening this year was a complete shock to me. He is just tearing it up and will be a legit MVP candidate real soon.

<b>Dave Waddings Suns</b>

This is another pleasant surprise. Its awesome that Marion has been able to move to PF and the short lineup has worked so nicely. All of those guys are stellar players, and its cool to see them all meshing.

<b>The Nuggets Sucking</b>

Well maybe sucking is an overstatement, but they really have not been impressive. I'm not a fan of Carmelo, he was overrated because of LeBron last year. He is good, but he is not the phenom that LeBron is, and all of that got to him. I don't see them finishing any higher than a 7 seed.



Alright, hopefully this will get this topic heated up

[Excellance of Execution]

A little of topic, but does anybody know what happened to ESPN basketball analysis David Aldridge? Is he still with ESPN or did he get fired or move on? Just curious, cuz i haven't seen him and Stephan A Smith seems to be doing everything Aldridge would do.

[Apprentice]

A little of topic, but does anybody know what happened to ESPN basketball analysis David Aldridge? Is he still with ESPN or did he get fired or move on? Just curious, cuz i haven't seen him and Stephan A Smith seems to be doing everything Aldridge would do.

I asked the same thing earlier this summer. His contract with ESPN ended and since ESPN liked Stephen A Smith so much, they decided not to re-sign Aldridge. Now he's at TNT doing those games as an on court reporter.

[BCWWF]

Alright so how about the latest Kobe comments that have left Karl Malone feeling abandoned and betrayed?

Personally? I just think that Karl Malone is a big cry baby. Basically Kobe said that his teammates were playing hard and didn't need the pressure of having some old guy come and take their place midway through the season. Its a completely legit thing to say if you ask me. If I was a forward on the Lakers I wouldn't be too happy that an old gimp was coming back to take my playing time. As good as he was, Malone probably won't even start wherever he goes and will be getting the job more for his name than his ability.

I don't think the Wolves will still put up a huge effort to get him unless its a counter attack so the Spurs don't. I doubt Malone could be as effective as Eddie Griffin has been lately.

[The Outlaw]

lol

[Kid Robb]

BULLS WIN AGAIN!!!

111-81 against the Cavs with a minute left.

What an earth is going on :D

How the hell did Eddie Griffen jack up 15 3's in the Wolves game just quietly?

[BCWWF]

HOLY SHIT 7-15! Hells YEAH! FUCK YOU KARL MALONE!

[Kid Robb]

Kobe is nothing special.

Lakers won't make the playoffs.

Shaq was right.

[The Outlaw]

Malone is the man

Also, Kid Robb :love:

[BCWWF]

LOL

[BCWWF]

How about Tracy McGrady?

[BCWWF]

Why did everybody give Sebastian Telfair so much shit? He is the fucking man BTW

[BCWWF]

I just did my all-star ballot:

West:
F Kevin Garnett
F Amare Staudemier
G Ray Allen
G Manu Ginobili
C Erick Dampier

East
F Grant Hill
F Richard Jefferson
G LeBron James
G Gilbert Arenas
C Shaq

The West really doesn't have a dominant center, and don't tell me that Yao is dominant. After voting, I realize that I probably should have voted for Steve Nash, but meh. I was really tempted to vote for Alonzo over Shaq, but nah.

[Apprentice]

I just did my all-star ballot:

West:
F Kevin Garnett
F Amare Staudemier
G Ray Allen
G Manu Ginobili
C Erick Dampier

East
F Grant Hill
F Richard Jefferson
G LeBron James
G Gilbert Arenas
C Shaq

The West really doesn't have a dominant center, and don't tell me that Yao is dominant. After voting, I realize that I probably should have voted for Steve Nash, but meh. I was really tempted to vote for Alonzo over Shaq, but nah.

Well Yao is way better than Dampier this year. Dampier is not an all star this year. If you want a center in the West, go with Yao or Brad Miller. Maybe Kobe or Nash over Manu but, I can see why you voted for Manu. Kobe and Nash just have been more consistent overall. Lastly, I don't agree with Arenas. He's good, but not that good. I'd put Dwayne Wade there. But other than that, I agree. RJ has had a great year on a bad team and Amare is a monster this year.

[BCWWF]

I was considering Wade, I don't really know why I picked Arenas.

I agree Dampier isn't an All Star at all this season, but Yao just gets way more credit than he deserves. I forgot about Brad Miller though, thats who I would probably choose if I voted again. As for Ginobili, I just think he has had a great first half.

[The Outlaw]

Yao is not dominant at all. He is a huge disappointment I think.

[Kid Robb]

The Bulls have been on TV here once since Jordan's last game with them in 98. That was yesterday, when they lost to Phili. Couldn't have been today when they owned the Wolves, or a few days ago when they owned the Cavs could it?

[The Outlaw]

KR a big bulls fan eh? :D

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Tony Allen for the Celtics is doing WORK. I don't really like the team this year tho, not a huge fan of Ricky Davis or his game. Pierce has been pissing me off this year aswell, he forces way too much shit. Celtics got more players this year then they had last year, he doesn't have to carry the load this year as much and force so much shit. Him forcing everything is really hurting the team IMO. They got some young good players though. Jefferson will be a monster, he is staright out of high school and he has already been beasting people downlow. Like I said Allen is doing work, and West was putting up stats but then he got hurt once again. Hopefully he can stay healthy.

[Kid Robb]

KR a big bulls fan eh? :D

It's the first time since they had Miller Brand and Artest that they're actually showing some potential :D

Why they couldn't have just drafted some guards to go with those three, or better yet when they traded Miller and Artest for Jalen Rose and Travis Best they should have kept Brand, drafted Chandler or Curry (whichever was available and built a decent team.

They traded away four all stars for two high schoolers. Blind Freedy could see how stupid that was going to be.

These days a team including Miller at Centre, Brand at PF and Artest at SF (barring suspension of course...) would kick some arse with a semi-decent point man.

Makes me angry... like I want to stab Jerry Krause in the eye with a stick... :mad: :mad: :fuckoffangry:

[The Outlaw]

It's the first time since they had Miller Brand and Artest that they're actually showing some potential :D

Why they couldn't have just drafted some guards to go with those three, or better yet when they traded Miller and Artest for Jalen Rose and Travis Best they should have kept Brand, drafted Chandler or Curry (whichever was available and built a decent team.

They traded away four all stars for two high schoolers. Blind Freedy could see how stupid that was going to be.

These days a team including Miller at Centre, Brand at PF and Artest at SF (barring suspension of course...) would kick some arse with a semi-decent point man.

Makes me angry... like I want to stab Jerry Krause in the eye with a stick... :mad: :mad: :fuckoffangry:
:eek:

Kirk Hinrich would be having a field day with those three. ;)

[BCWWF]

The mistake ESPN made was showing that game at all. I can't believe they showed Bulls and 76ers over the Kings and Timberwolves.

[Kid Robb]

Kings-Wolves was the 2nd of the doubleheader which we didn't get :cry:

Dez: :D I like Hinrich, actually a smart draft choice for once.

Bulls-Mavs 93-92 with 7 seconds left. I hate following games on nba.com

[Kid Robb]

93-94 Mavs with 3 seconds left :'(

[Kid Robb]

:'( :'( :'( 94-93 Mavs final

So close...

[BCWWF]

I am a big Kirk Hinrich fan aswell. I think he is a really good PG, and could work well if the Bulls build this team right. The future of this team is Hinrich and Loul, not Eddy Curry or any of those other underachievers. They need a legit big man and they will be good soon. They'll probably just be stupid and draft Dee Brown insted.

[Splaya]

Pistons had a good win last night, it's just they need to start stepping it up. Billups needs to start coming through with more points (Hamilton and R. Wallace are carrying this team lately)

[Loose Cannon]

Yeah Kirk is the man. KANSAS :love:

[BCWWF]

MISSOURI :rant:

[The Outlaw]

Bama

[DaveWadding]

I am a big Kirk Hinrich fan aswell. I think he is a really good PG, and could work well if the Bulls build this team right. The future of this team is Hinrich and Loul, not Eddy Curry or any of those other underachievers. They need a legit big man and they will be good soon. They'll probably just be stupid and draft Dee Brown insted.
if Curry and Chandler started maturing a little....

Hinrich-Gordon-Deng-Chandler-Curry would be pretty sick.

[BCWWF]

Isn't Gordon on the trading block? I thought I read the Nuggets were in the market for him. Its funny how the Bulls got Deng, Gordon, and Duhon. They could probably win a NCAA Title with those guys!

[Kid Robb]

Curry starting to put some performances together again, so's Chandler for that matter.

Another win tonight :D

[Apprentice]

Apparently Vince Carter is about to be traded to the Nets for Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, Mourning and 2 first round draft picks.

I duno, but that seems like a lot to give up to get VC. Though, a trio of VC, Kidd and Jefferson is intriguing. They just need some rebounders to get them the ball.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Well I'm glad to see Carter go and I like what Aaron Williams brings to the team and Alonzo will be nice too. Hopefully those first rounders pan out.

[The Miz]

The Nets are retarded. Vince Carter is like the Michael Vick of basketball (flashy player who has highlight real plays and is the man in video games but isn't really that good) except Michael Vick doesn't suck dick.

[The Icon of Elisim]

All these analysits are coming out and saying that the Nets are gonna be able to run like nobodies business with Carter, Jefferson and Kidd. I don't know what Raptors games these guys have been watching.

The more I look at this move the stupider the Nets look. The trade two big guys for a wussy version of RJ on a good day.

And the draft picks belong to Philli and Denver so they probably won't be very high.

[Crimson]

The picks are lottery protected i think. I don't think the Nets upgraded that much, they will get killed in the middle against any team with an avarage center, good luck against Shaq . And the experts say they will be a run n' gun like the Suns or Sonics, except ..the Nets don't have ANYONE besides the big 3 and the Suns have like 8 deep that can go on a rampage.

[BCWWF]

Now the talk is that Alonzo is going to either be bought up and resigned by Miami as a FA or else involved in some sort or trade with Miami.

I don't really understand that logic, they already have Shaq and Alonzo is much better then a backup to Shaq. I bet if they make him a FA both the Wolves and the Spurs go after him, as both teams could use the center help.

[Loose Cannon]

22-3 :love:

Can the Suns actually win it? I think so

Past 3 years

"lol, you like the Suns?"

who's making fun of me now?

[BCWWF]

I am. They won't be able to beat the Spurs or Wolves in the playoffs.

[The Outlaw]

22-3 says they can

nah I dunno. They are playing well right now but now isnt the playoffs

[Kid Robb]

I don't want to overstate anything or make any rash predictions of anything, but i will say this:

The Bulls are the greatest team in the history of the world, at any sport, ever.

Winning 4 in a row is almost as big of an achievement as winning 72 in 96 :D

All is forgiven Eddy Curry :eek:

[BCWWF]

I just don't think Amare can win 4 games against Tim Duncan.

[Loose Cannon]

anybody watching Pistons/Pacers? Just turned it on. Looks like a good one.

Also, :y: :y: to Pacers rocking them throwbacks.

[BCWWF]

I watched the end, neither team was looking very good if you ask me. Also, I don't get why Larry Brown was so sickened be the game being broadcasted nationally.

[BCWWF]

OK, so apparantly the Knicks are still interested in Wally Szczerbiak and the New York media is reporting that talks are in the works. Not saying I wouldn't take Kurt Thomas in an instant, but the Knicks and their media is just retarded. Of course they would be interested in Wally, he is playing great right now, but that doesn't mean he is going to be traded.

Then I can't understand the Knicks logic in even looking into a move like this.

A. Kurt Thomas has been playing really well this season

B. They already have plenty of good swingmen, Wally would just get cluttered

C. The Knicks have a huge payroll that doesn't even begin to go down until 2006, why trade a moderately priced good center for an overpriced above average winger?

Sprewell is going to be the T-Wolf that is traded, I guarantee it. He is by far the worst of all the spotlight guys, the cancer of the team. Add that to him having an expiring contract, just like Rasheed last year a team like Atlanta will take him for cap room next season. It would actually make a lot of sense for the Knicks to take Sprewell and clear up some cap room for next season, not to mention his boner for New York, but I doubt that happens.

What is best for the Wolves, in my opinion, is just to dish Spree off to a team like Atlanta that is looking for cap room, and then just get a draft pick and a piece of shit in return. The Wolves can't try to get equal value for Spree unless its a center, because we are way too cluttered in the GF positions.

It should be like this
PG Cassell
SG Wally
SF Hassell
PF KG
C Ervin J

1. Eddie Griffin
2. Troy Hudson
3. Kandi
4. The Mayor
5. Madsen
6. Anthony Carter

off the bench, it is too cluttered as it is, getting a DP for Spree is plenty. If we could somehow package Kandi and get a real center back it would be amazing, but if not we could work with him.

[BCWWF]

BTW, Eddie Griffin = 6th Man of Year

[The Miz]

Kings get:
G Cuttino Mobley

Magic get:
G Doug Christie

wtf I don't get this trade at all

[BCWWF]

Dunno its hard to say...Mobley is a really good player but is playing ass this year, I take it the Kings are looking for offense to make up for Peja's drop and Bobby Jacksons injury, and just hoping that Mobley goes back to last years form. It's kind of like a trade of underachieving guards. I don't know much about Orlando but apparantly they want a defensive stopper instead of a three point threat. We'll see what happens.

[Crimson]

GO SONICS

[The Outlaw]

After dusting off their old triangle offense in a win over Houston on Friday, the Lakers are going back to the offense that earned them three championships under former coach Phil Jackson, the Los Angeles Times reports. "If people think I didn't like the triangle, that's a misconception," Bryant told the Times. "I love the offense."

Kobe's got a bit of John Kerry in him, in that his tune changes rather conveniently. The Lakers are hoping the triangle will prevent teams from focusing exclusively on Kobe, and we can certainly envision Lamar Odom thriving in a Scottie Pippen-like role. We'll keep an eye on how the two fantasy stalwarts fare in the new scheme, starting tonight at Minnesota.


Yes, Lamarrrr scored a whole what, 5 points?

[BCWWF]

:?:

They came back from a 16 point deficit to beat Minnesota last night, Kobe had 32 points on 19 shots and Chris Mihm had a big double double. They are obviously doing something right.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Or the Wolves suck

[The Outlaw]

Why exactly are you confused?

lol@tioe

[BCWWF]

Well you are apparently laughing at this decision by the Lakers despite them coming away with a pretty convincing win the first night they used it. Isn't that reason to be confused? Or are you just looking at the smaller picture of Lamar? I look at the big picture which is the W. Don't mess with Mihm.

[The Outlaw]

lol

I was referring to Lamar's increased performance. They predicted him to thrive in the triangle. Obviously, he didn't. He needs to, seeing as how I have him in fantasy basketball.

Also, I was also just posting it to get a laugh out of the John Kerry reference.

[The Outlaw]

22-3 :love:

Can the Suns actually win it? I think so

Past 3 years

"lol, you like the Suns?"

who's making fun of me now?
Well I would still make fun of you for liking them the last three years. I liked them back in the day, Barkley days. :love:

[DaveWadding]

Well I would still make fun of you for liking them the last three years.
Then you can make fun of me for liking them the last 13. ;)

[BCWWF]

The Suns are far and away the coolest team in the NBA right now. The Suns and the Spurs are far and away the best teams in the NBA right now.

I went to the Suns and Timberwolves game last week and I must say, Amare is awesome. He just looks badass and then throws down dunks like a badass. Then Marion is a stud with his goofy release and three point accuracy. Steve Nash is awesome in this new system, by far the most fun team to watch in the NBA.

I hate the Spurs, and even though they don't have the record you could make a case that they are the best in the NBA right now. They have a good coach and a really strong core of players. Besides Rasho, they have a really good starting lineup, but Rasho doesn't really hurt them that much. They aren't fun or cool to watch, and their players have little to no charisma, but they are such a solid fundamental team and so good on defense that I could see them stopping Phoenix in the Western Finals.

The Suns have the perfect system for the players they have. Amare can throw it down. Nash drives, grabs the double team, and then he has three great guys from beyond the arc (thats not counting Barbosa either). I guess im going on and on, but the Suns are sweet.

[The Icon of Elisim]

BCWWF, just for the record I am rubber and you are glue. All of your bad reps bounce off of me and stick to you

See I can be childish too

[BCWWF]

You're just an idiot that adds nothing to threads, I don't give out negative reps because I personally don't like you, I give out negative reps when somebody makes a bastard comment that adds nothing to the discussion. So I don't really care.

[BCWWF]

Now that the Jason Kidd rumors have kind of been turned off, the word now is that there may be a Latrell Sprewell for Baron Davis type trade in the works.

[The Icon of Elisim]

You're just an idiot that adds nothing to threads, I don't give out negative reps because I personally don't like you, I give out negative reps when somebody makes a bastard comment that adds nothing to the discussion. So I don't really care.
I know you are but what am I?

[Loose Cannon]

Mavericks/Bobcats TONIGHT FOR ME.

Man, this cheap ticket stuff is great. $15 a game. Decent seats. Coming from NY, it's like :eek:

[BCWWF]

Do they have a new arena or is it the same that the Hornets played in?

[Loose Cannon]

yea, same one. But they're building a new one across the street or some shit. lol

Gonna have a lot more luxury sweets.

[Bigg Mike]

15 dollars?!?! That's sweet, I wish Knicks tickets were that cheap.

[BCWWF]

The cheapest Wolves tickets are $22 I think, and that is upper deck in the corners. I wish you could get decent lower level tickets for less then like $60, it seems like the only way you can get a ticket to a Wolves game is if somebody's Dad has company tickets or something.

[Loose Cannon]

15 dollars?!?! That's sweet, I wish Knicks tickets were that cheap.

yea, saw the Knicks in DEC and again I'm going in March.

So I still get to see the Knicks, just fo $15 now. :)

[BCWWF]

Damn, I kind of want to stay in tonight. Spurs vs. Suns (w/ Nash back) on ESPN @ like 9:30 or something. That could be a great game.

[BCWWF]

The Suns :love:

They are so fucking good! They are up be like 12 in the third right now. Steve Nash is soooo good, I now believe that he should be the MVP. Look at how he changes this team. Franchise record start, he goes out four games and they lose them all, he comes back and now they are dominating the best team in the NBA.

Marion :heart: He is so amazing. He has had the last 15 points or something for the Suns, and he is on my fantasy team cleaning up shop. Q just hit another three, these guys just don't stop! Amare is a stud too. You have to love the Suns, there is no team in basketball more fun to watch. They have the Spurs completely off their game right now, the SPURS! The most disciplined team in the league.

I :heart: the Suns

[The Outlaw]

The Suns :love:

They are so fucking good! They are up be like 12 in the third right now. Steve Nash is soooo good, I now believe that he should be the MVP. Look at how he changes this team. Franchise record start, he goes out four games and they lose them all, he comes back and now they are dominating the best team in the NBA.

Marion :heart: He is so amazing. He has had the last 15 points or something for the Suns, and he is on my fantasy team cleaning up shop. Q just hit another three, these guys just don't stop! Amare is a stud too. You have to love the Suns, there is no team in basketball more fun to watch. They have the Spurs completely off their game right now, the SPURS! The most disciplined team in the league.

I :heart: the Suns
Sucks that they lost and all.

[BCWWF]

I know, but you can't ask for much more from Steve Nash his first night back from an injury. If they meet in the playoffs it will be the best basketball we have seen in years.

[Kid Robb]

Ginobli :eek:

Haven't seen a game like that where 3 guys just don't seem to be missing, Manu, Marion and Amare.

[FacelessBum]

ROFL BCWWF

Getting all excited to see the Suns falter like they did.

The thing about the way the Suns play is that they are going to get too tired too fast.

It doesnt matter if it's a young team, the year will drag on and the nights will get longer.

Anyway, Spurs are the man and I wish I could've seen the game.

(Went to a local hockey game to watch the team LOSE in sudden death)

[BCWWF]

The Spurs are the only team in the NBA that will be able to beat the Suns on a consistant level. Even if the Suns won last night I still think I would be saying that. They are too solid and consistant. The Suns could take any other team in a 7 game series, be it the Heat, the Mavericks, the Sonics, whoever. If they can figure out how to work Barbosa into the lineup or else trade and get a spark plug off the bench they cuold have a chance at the Spurs.

[The Miz]

The Spurs are the only team in the NBA that will be able to beat the Suns on a consistant level. Even if the Suns won last night I still think I would be saying that. They are too solid and consistant. The Suns could take any other team in a 7 game series, be it the Heat, the Mavericks, the Sonics, whoever. If they can figure out how to work Barbosa into the lineup or else trade and get a spark plug off the bench they cuold have a chance at the Spurs.
Wow. I can't wait till June so I can quote this.

The Suns can't play consistently like this for 81+ games. They don't play defense and they are going to be exhausted down the stretch. And past the starting 5, who do they have? Steven Hunter? Bo Outlaw? They simply dont compare in terms of depth with teams like Seattle, San Antonio, etc. The Suns have no one to come off the bench in the playoffs when Steve Nash and Amare Staudamire are incapable of standing up. Really, have you watched the Dallas Mavericks the last 4 years? Fun in the regular season, doesnt translate to championships.

[BCWWF]

I don't know if KG is struggling or playing more as a teammate or what, but his numbers have seemed low the past few games. In the meantime Eddie Griffin has been coming up huge on the boards and blocks and stuff. I can't imagine KG becoming less selfish then he already is, I guess now a distinguished forward with him is taking the pressure off. Now just to get rid of Olowokandi :mad:

[The Outlaw]

They now have Jim Jackson. He should be a spark off the bench actually.

[DaveWadding]

They now have Jim Jackson. He should be a spark off the bench actually.
We dumped off Jacobsen though, I really liked him. Great touch from the perimeter.

[BCWWF]

It is being reported that the Suns are trying to unload Joe Johnson in an effort to bring in Sameul Dalembert. Am I the only one who thinks that idea is awful? Johnson has been a key part of their success thus far, he is the top three point shooter in the league this season and the Suns live on the three point shot. If they are going to go after a guy like that, they just need to give up a draft pick and a guy that is expiring after the season, like Bo Outlaw. Samuel Dalembert backing up Amare with Barbosa or something starting instead of JJ is awful. If they want to trade Joe Johnson, why not for Shareef? That would make sense, more Marion back to SF or something. I am trying to think of a better backup to Amare that wouldn't require trading a starter...Joe Smith? Lorenzen Wright or Stromile Swift? Lee Nailon? Olowokandi? Ratliff? I dunno, just don't give up Joe Johnson for Samuel Dalembert PLEASE!

[The Icon of Elisim]

Dalembert is good because he is a big guy who can move and thus fits into their offensive system. Shareef would slow down the team considerably. Swift would be a great addition but they don't have the players to acquire him.

And these guys are right. The Suns won't go far in the playoffs. Q and Nash have bad backs and obviously they can't play without Nash. Plus the depth factor is huge and the fact that they won't see a really good half court defense until the playoffs

[BCWWF]

If Nash goes down, after last week it really is quite obvious that the Suns are done. Q would hurt a lot, but obviously not as much as Nash. If they go into the playoffs shorthanded like that then I can see them losing in the first round to the Lakers or something. If it works out where they come into the playoffs with their starting 5 healthy though, I don't see a team that can stop them besides the Spurs.

The Mavericks are just a poor mans Suns in my opinion.

The Kings are old, fragile, and overrated in my opinion.

The Timberwolves don't have any drive this year

The Sonics are too inexperienced and I expect them to break down, not completely, but I don't see them holding strong into the playoffs.

The Lakers will get there but they don't have the talent to go anywhere

The Rockets just don't seem to have the edge that it takes to win big games in the playoffs

I think that the Spurs will pretty much roll through the playoffs because they are so consistant and good on defense. I think that the West is still as a whole much stronger then the East, but the Spurs and Suns are the only two elite teams, before there were like four even five elite teams in the West. I don't think any team but the Spurs can hold of a healthy Suns.

[RoXer]

Suns want to get rid of Joe Johnson because he is going to ask for a zillion dollars next year. Q can fill his spot. Hunter can take center. Everything will be hunky-dory.

People who make predictions piss me off though. Suddenly they are "pshycic". What they don't know is that they are annoying and need to shut up. That's why I usually stay out of threads like this. I don't want to be told how to root for my team.

[BCWWF]

I guarantee you that taking away one of Phoenix's three point threats and adding Hunter into the mix will do nothing but hurt them. One of the reasons they are so successful now is because they can kick it out and have four well above average three point shooters.

[The Outlaw]

It is being reported that the Suns are trying to unload Joe Johnson in an effort to bring in Sameul Dalembert. Am I the only one who thinks that idea is awful? Johnson has been a key part of their success thus far, he is the top three point shooter in the league this season and the Suns live on the three point shot. If they are going to go after a guy like that, they just need to give up a draft pick and a guy that is expiring after the season, like Bo Outlaw. Samuel Dalembert backing up Amare with Barbosa or something starting instead of JJ is awful. If they want to trade Joe Johnson, why not for Shareef? That would make sense, more Marion back to SF or something. I am trying to think of a better backup to Amare that wouldn't require trading a starter...Joe Smith? Lorenzen Wright or Stromile Swift? Lee Nailon? Olowokandi? Ratliff? I dunno, just don't give up Joe Johnson for Samuel Dalembert PLEASE!
Are you talking about the highest percentage or highest total threes? Because he is second in %, hes in the top 10 (lower half) in three pointers made I think.

[RoXer]

I guarantee you that taking away one of Phoenix's three point threats and adding Hunter into the mix will do nothing but hurt them. One of the reasons they are so successful now is because they can kick it out and have four well above average three point shooters.
Jim Jackson then. Sure, it's a step down, but it's better than nothing. And every time Hunter is in, he does very well. He's 100 times better than Voskuhl. But it'd still be nice to get a different center. So in other words...

don't worry about it.

[The Miz]

The Sonics are too inexperienced
PHX average age: 26
SEA average age: 26

You can think all you want that the Susn are better, I dont care, but at least give a real reason. Next time try backing your statements up with support other than just saying "because it's my opinion".

BTW Hornets are the best team in the league in my opinion.

[BCWWF]

Average age is the least of the factors that I am talking about when I say they are inexperienced. I am talking about years as a starter, playoff experience, years together as a team, etc. IMO Ray Allen is the only all star caliber player on the Sonics right now and the only player with lots of experience. All five of the Suns starters could be considered all-star caliber in my opinion.

The average age factor isn't even accurate. The Suns don't play their whole team, Steve Nash is 31 and has been in the playoffs with the Mavericks for like the past five years or so. Shawn Marion is 27 and has been in the playoffs before. Marion and Stoudemire played in the Olympics. Johnson, Amare, and Marion have been playing with each other for three years now. Nash and Marion have both played in the all star game, Amare was rookie of the year, and Amare and Joe Johnson both played in the rookie all star game. That is experience and proven talent that I think the Suns have and the Sonics don't.

I like the Sonics as much as the next guy, they are one of my favorite teams too, but to honestly think that they finish the year as hot as they started is novice. I say in my opinion after I state my opinion because it is my opinion and if I didn't state that I would have the same people whining "Just because its your opinion doesn't mean its the only thing thats right."

[BCWWF]

Just a thought, if the Suns need Steve Nash to win because he gets so many assists, how come they don't trade and get Brevin Knight as a backup? It seems like he could be better then whoever they have now even though he sucks.

[DaveWadding]

We had Brevin Knight. :p

[The Miz]

Oh shit Steve Nash played in an all-star game, good point man that's all the experience you need.

If you've watched the Mavs at all the last few years Nash is always fatigued after 81 games. Staudamire was in the playoffs once, first round exit. Mad experience.

Also nobody is gay enough to post stuff like "Just because its your opinion doesn't mean its the only thing thats right." this isnt the wrestling forum

[BCWWF]

Well I guess its just me, but I consider all-star selections, playoff appearances, and team chemistry a better determination of league experience then age :roll: OK, so Nash has a history of slowing down on the Mavs, but the Sonics have a history of what exactly? They came out of nowhere with hardly any established players based on anything except age, the Suns have players who are established as good, which is why they will finish with a better record then the Sonics. Good attempt to belittle me, but you'll have to have a little more then the teams average age (uncited mind you) and calling me gay to get a point across.

[BCWWF]

According to PTI, Phil Jackson could be taking over the Timberwolves next season :eek: I like Flip and am a fan of Flip, but the history doesn't lie with Phil Jackson. He could finish the job back at home. I wonder what truth is behind it.

[BCWWF]

Its been a while since this thread was posted in, but there are a few huge trades that have been rumored lately.

1. Lamar Odom for Peja

2. Caron Butler and others for Boozer

[Kid Robb]

Kobe doesn't like giving up the ball in any situation, let alone to a shooter like Peja. They need some inside help more than anything. Odom probably wouldn't be a bad fit for the Kings though.

[Crimson]

I like the Boozer one for the Lakers. I don't think any will happen though.

GO SONICS

[Ninti the Mad]

5 minutes till all-star game...

[BCWWF]

Yeah I don't see the Peja one going through, but really the Boozer one might make its share of sense. Kobe and Chucky outside, Boozer and Mihm inside, and Odom in the middle. They would be a really solid team, not sure how realistic that would be though. It also had stuff about Latrell Sprewell for Jason Kidd straight up, but I couldn't see that happening ever, it would be sweet though.

[Rain Man]

My boy AI getting the MVP... Yeahhh Brotha now the fucking playoffs...:shifty:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I heard Kidd wants to go to Minnesota (And I didn't hear this from BCWWF...surprisingly)

All Star game was pretty hot. Vince Carter's dunk was sick. Seeing Grant Hill catch an ally-oop was pretty sweet too. Dwayne Wade had a nasty dunk on the baseline too.

Starting to get back into the NBA again

[BCWWF]

Well the story broke about a week ago. To be perfectly honest I don't believe the story, it sounds like one of those things that some guy found and blew completely out of perportion and that Kidd actually has never even mentioned Minnesota in a serious manner. The way you say that seems kind of negative though?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Nah I wasn't taking a shot at you. Kind of a joke, letting posters know I heard something about the T'Wolves getting somebody big and it didn't come from you.

[BCWWF]

Oh aight, just checking.

There is a lot of talk about Gary Payton coming to the Wolves for Sam Cassell. Personally, I am a fan of GP and really wanted him to join the T-Wolves a few years ago when there was a chance, and right now I think he might be able to help the Wolves, but I would hate to see him traded because I think he has a really good thiing going with the Celtics right now. It would be a shame if they traded him for a pissy Sam Cassell just because he is expiring.

[The Outlaw]

I heard the Glove for Alien trade.

Think that would do MN a lot of good.

[BCWWF]

The only trade that I really liked so far has been Spree and Cassell for Kidd, but that trade is obviously probably a lot more speculation then truth

[Crimson]

Webber to Philly :o

Good trade for Philly, not sure why the Kings traded him, was he unhappy? Good for Iverson he needs help hopefully they do well in the playoffs.

[Crimson]

AND GOD why is Seattle so fuckin cheap, RE-SIGN ALLEN you dickwads, he is the shit. If they trade him they better get Duncan or someshit :mad: Ray is like one of the big reasons of this years success.

[Bad Guy]

steven a said because of cap reasons. 80 million in the next 4 years so they got rid of him.

[BCWWF]

Wow, the 76ers are going to be amazing now and the Kings are going to be horseshit.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Webber to Philly :o

Good trade for Philly, not sure why the Kings traded him, was he unhappy? Good for Iverson he needs help hopefully they do well in the playoffs.
Cap reasons and he was criticizing some players on the Kings in the offseason, I dunno if he named names but it was some obvious comments about Peja

[The Icon of Elisim]

And it wasn't an awful trade. The Kings got Skinner, Thomas and Corliss. That is alot of size and grit

[BCWWF]

A friend and I just had a big debate (more for the sake of arguing then anything else), but I said that C-Webb wouldn't play in New York tomorrow night and he said that he would. Do you think he will be playing?

[KingofOldSchool]

Reports are saying the Baron Davis could be on his way to Golden State for Dale Davis and others.

[BCWWF]

Would Golden State be willing to move Jason Richardson? He is somebody that I would love to see on the T-Wolves.

Its kind of funny how all of the hyped of deals don't take place, and all the ones that do have like no publicity beforehand. I am so excited for tomorrow, I have no idea what is going to happen, but after tonight I know that some big names are going to be moved around.

[DaveWadding]

Would Golden State be willing to move Jason Richardson? He is somebody that I would love to see on the T-Wolves.

Its kind of funny how all of the hyped of deals don't take place, and all the ones that do have like no publicity beforehand. I am so excited for tomorrow, I have no idea what is going to happen, but after tonight I know that some big names are going to be moved around.
T-Mac to the Suns for Joe Johnson and picks :shifty:

[KingofOldSchool]

Would Golden State be willing to move Jason Richardson? He is somebody that I would love to see on the T-Wolves.


Not if they landed Baron.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Cap reasons and he was criticizing some players on the Kings in the offseason, I dunno if he named names but it was some obvious comments about Peja
Just read some more, Kings basically had to chose between Peja and Webber since they didn't like playing with each other. Kings chose Peja since Webber has a huge contract and a bum knee

[BCWWF]

Peja is younger aswell isnt he?

[The Outlaw]

Webber's first game will most likely be against...the Kings.

[BCWWF]

$5

[BCWWF]

Has anybody been watching the game to know if he is in attendance?

[FacelessBum]

Say, who is this Mohammad Nazr fellow getting traded to the Spurs?

They dumped Malik Rose. :'(

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Walker did work last night for the Celtics. The game was so exciting for some reason. I am liking the new style they were playing last night with Payton gone, and the young point guards running the show.

[BCWWF]

I keep forgetting how good the Celtics were when they had Walker and Pierce