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Wengerland
09-20-2004, 12:49 PM
I know Ogen mentioned it in the football thread but this deserves its own thread, a great character in the sport and one of the best English manager's ever.RIP you legend :'(

You must know he was the man considering i'm saying that about a guy who bought success to Derby and Forest :o

Cruiserweight 3:16
09-20-2004, 01:05 PM
Brian Clough was the man. I'm quite shocked to hear about this, but with his alcohol problems I'm not exactly that surprised either. As a Leeds fan it's a shame the players treated him like crap when he was manager there, despite Cloughie's comments on the club a few years earlier.

What he did for Nottingham Forest was amazing - to go 42 league games unbeaten was incredible and to think he took that team from the second division and turned them into European Champions.

Danny Electric
09-20-2004, 01:48 PM
At least this was an end to his suffering over the past decade.
R.I.P

Dazz
09-20-2004, 02:04 PM
His record speaks for itself, he was a great manager.

But anyone who smacks Roy Keane round the face is a legend in my books, that is what made him the man :cool:

Sephiroth
09-20-2004, 02:29 PM
:wavesad: Omg...RIP

Cactus Sid
09-20-2004, 02:45 PM
My condolences to his family, a great manager, a great character, just simply one of the greats of the footballing game, a sad loss. RIP.

The Mackem
09-20-2004, 03:11 PM
Words can't express the sadness of the passing of a football great.
A man that should have left this earth as Sir Brian Clough.
A man that should have been England manager.
A man that should have been Sunderland manager.
Because of weak small minded people none of these things happened.
Thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of Brian Clough R.I.P.

Wengerland
09-20-2004, 03:12 PM
" I wouldn't say i'm the best manager around, but i'm definetly in the top one"

:'(

That might be a bit wrong though :$

The Mackem
09-20-2004, 03:14 PM
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1308824,00.html (http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1308824,00.html)

Brian Clough factfile

Monday September 20, 2004

1935: Born March 21 in Middlesbrough
1952: Joins home-town club.
1955: Makes his League debut in a game against Barnsley. Went on to score 204 goals in 222 games.
1959: Wins England caps against Wales at Ninian Park and Sweden at Wembley.
1961: Signs for north-east rivals Sunderland for £45,000 where he netted 63 goals in just 74 appearances.
1962: Knee injury against Bury on Boxing Day forces an early end to his playing career.
1965: At 29, becomes youngest manager in the Football League with Fourth Division Hartlepool United.
1967: Becomes Derby manager.
1969: Derby win Division Two title.
1972: Derby win Division One title - the first League championship in the club's history.
1973: Clough guides the Rams to the semi-finals of the European Cup.
October - resigns from Derby, with assistant Peter Taylor, after long dispute with club directors.
November - becomes Brighton manager.
1974: July - Appointed manager of Leeds, but sacked after 44 days because of player unrest.
1975: January - joins Nottingham Forest.
1977: Forest promoted to First Division.
1978: Forest win the League Cup, before going on to be crowned Division One champions at the end of the season. Clough is named Manager of the Year.
Forest win the Charity Shield, beating FA Cup winners Ipswich 5-0 at Wembley.
1979: February - Signs Trevor Francis from Birmingham for £1 million - Britain's first seven-figure transfer.
March - Forest retain League Cup.
May - Forest finish second in Division One, but are crowned kings of Europe when Malmo are beaten 1-0 in the European Cup final.
1980: March - Forest are beaten in League Cup final by Wolves.
May - Forest retain European Cup when they beat Hamburg 1-0 in Madrid.
1989: February - Clough is charged with bringing the game into disrepute; fined £5,000 and banned from touch-line of all Football League grounds for the rest of the season for lashing out at unruly spectators after a League Cup quarter-final against QPR.
April - Forest beat Luton 3-1 to win League Cup.
December - Clough celebrates his 1,000th league game as a manager.
1990: Forest retain League Cup - their fourth success under Clough - with a 1-0 win over Oldham.
1991: Forest reach the FA Cup final - the only major domestic title Clough had not won, but are beaten by Tottenham, who had England star midfielder Paul Gascoigne stretchered off.
Clough receives an OBE in the Queens' Birthday Honours.
1992: Forest win the Zenith Data Cup against Southampton at Wembley.
Clough takes Forest to the League Cup final at Wembley again, but Forest are beaten 1-0 by Manchester United.
1993: January - Clough, soccer's longest-serving boss, celebrates 18th anniversary in charge at the City Ground with Forest bottom of the Premier League.
April - A photographer captures Clough giving the Forest fans a V-sign during a 1-1 draw against Leeds at the City Ground.
Clough announces he plans to retire at the end of the season.
May - A tearful Clough watches on as Forest are beaten 2-0 by Sheffield United, and thus relegated from the top flight, in his last game at The City Ground.
Loses his final game in charge of Forest at Ipswich.
1998: Charged with misconduct by the Football Association for allegedly accepting an unauthorised payment on the transfers of players.
2002: January - Clough, a one-time heavy drinker, undergoes a liver transplant.
2003: May - Made an honorary Freeman of Derby and given the freedom of the city.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

The Mackem
09-20-2004, 03:20 PM
Classic Cloughie Quotes

With thanks to Houghton Ref for supplying 'em:

"If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd have put grass up there." On the importance of passing to feet.

"Manchester United in Brazil? I hope they all get bloody diarrohea." On Man Utd opting-out of the FA Cup to play in the World Club Championship.

"I can't even spell spaghetti never mind talk Italian. How could I tell an Italian to get the ball - he might grab mine." On the influx of foreign players.

"I bet their dressing room will smell of garlic rather than liniment over the next few months." On the number of French players at Arsenal.

"Who the hell wants fourteen pairs of shoes when you go on holiday? I haven't had fourteen pairs in my life." On the contents of Posh Spice's missing luggage.

"I wouldn't say I was the best manager in the business. But I was in the top one." Looking back at his success.

"On occasions I have been big headed. I think most people are when they get in the limelight. I call myself Big Head just to remind myself not to be." Old Big 'Ead explains his nickname.

"At last England have appointed a manager who speaks English better than the players." On the appointment of Sven Goran Eriksson as England manager.

"If he'd been English or Swedish, he'd have walked the England job." On Martin O'Neill.

"Anybody who can do anything in Leicester but make a jumper has got to be a genius." A tribute to Martin O'Neill.

"The ugliest player I ever signed was Kenny Burns." A Clough complement for a talented player.

"Stand up straight, get your shoulders back and get your hair cut." Advice for John McGovern at Hartlepool.

"Take your hands out of your pockets." More advice, this time for a young Trevor Francis as he receives an award from the Master Manager.

"The Derby players have seen more of his balls than the one they're meant to be playing with." On the streaker who appeared during Derby's game against Manchester United.

"I only ever hit Roy the once. He got up so I couldn't have hit him very hard." On dealing with Roy Keane.

"Walk on water? I know most people out there will be saying that instead of walking on it, I should have taken more of it with my drinks. They are absolutely right." Reflecting on his drink problem.

"I'm dealing with my drinking problem and I have a reputation for getting things done." A comment which speaks for itself.

"Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes." Reflecting on England's exit from Euro 2000.

"We talk about it for twenty minutes and then we decide I was right." On dealing with a player who disagrees.

"I want no epitaphs of profound history and all that type of thing. I contributed - I would hope they would say that, and I would hope somebody liked me," On how he would like to be remembered.

"It was a crooked match and he was a crooked referee. That was a tournament we could and should have won." On the 1984 UEFA Cup semi-final Forest lost to Anderlecht.

"I'm sure the England selectors thought if they took me on and gave me the job, I'd want to run the show. They were shrewd, because that's exactly what I would have done." On not getting the England manager's job.

"You don't want roast beef and Yorkshire every night and twice on Sunday." On too much football on television.

"If a chairman sacks the manager he initially appointed, he should go as well." On too many managers getting the boot.

"I thought it was my next door neighbour, because I think she felt that if I got something like that, I'd have to move." Guessing who nominated him for a knighthood.

"For all his horses, knighthoods and championships, he hasn't got two of what I've got. And I don't mean balls!" Referring to Sir Alex Ferguson's failure to win two successive European Cups.

"I like my women to be feminine, not sliding into tackles and covered in mud." On women's football.

''That Seaman is a handsome young man but he spends too much time looking in his mirror, rather than at the ball. You can't keep goal with hair like that." On England goalkeeper David Seaman.

"I've missed him. He used to make me laugh. He was the best diffuser of a situation I have ever known. I hope he's alright." On the late Peter Taylor.

"He's learned more about football management than he ever imagined. Some people think you can take football boots off and put a suit on. You can't do that." On David Platt's first season as Forest manager.

"He should guide Posh in the direction of a singing coach because she's nowhere near as good at her job as her husband." Advice for David Beckham.

"Barbara's supervising the move. She's having more extensions built than Heathrow Airport." On moving house in Derbyshire

and finally......

"Don't send me flowers when I'm dead. If you like me, send them while I'm alive." After the operation which saved his life.

The Mackem
09-20-2004, 03:21 PM
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Mike the Metal Ed
09-20-2004, 05:11 PM
You couldn't get much better than Ol' Bighead.

RIP Cloughie. :(

Ogen
09-20-2004, 08:27 PM
As I said in the football thread a real legend. How he was never knighted is beyond me if Ferguson and so many others ahve been deemed worthy. No doubt he'll be knighted post-humously but it should have happened years ago.

Mr. Monday Morning
09-21-2004, 06:19 AM
:'(

Mr. Monday Morning
09-21-2004, 07:05 AM
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger added his personal tribute following the death of former Nottingham Forest and Derby manager Brian Clough.

Wenger's Arsenal side have currently gone 46 games unbeaten in the top flight of English football after breaking the record of 42 set by Clough's Forest side.

"I am really saddened to hear that Brian Clough has passed away,'' said Wenger.

"He was a manager with so many great qualities, which is perfectly illustrated by the fact that he led a club the size of Nottingham Forest to back-to-back European Cup titles, which is an absolutely remarkable achievement.

"I never actually met Brian Clough, but I know he was a very special man with very special methods of managing a football club.

"I remember watching his teams play and I would say that the Nottingham Forest side of the late 1970s will go down in history as one of the all-time greats.

"We must also not forget that he won the English Championship twice - once with Nottingham Forest and once with Derby County. These sides consistently triumphed over the traditional powers of the English game by playing stylish and powerful football.

"It is not an exaggeration to say that I was truly touched recently when he complimented the way this current Arsenal side plays and that we deserved to break his Nottingham Forest side's 42-match unbeaten record. To receive such high praise from someone who re-wrote the history books of club football in this country is a real honour.

"People use the word legend too freely but Brian Clough is a true legend of English football and his success in this country and in Europe is a legacy for which he will always be remembered.''

Doink
09-21-2004, 03:35 PM
The Mackem
Brian Clough factfile

Monday September 20, 2004

1935: Born March 21 in Middlesbrough
1952: Joins home-town club.
1955: Makes his League debut in a game against Barnsley. Went on to score 204 goals in 222 games.
1959: Wins England caps against Wales at Ninian Park and Sweden at Wembley.
1961: Signs for north-east rivals Sunderland for £45,000 where he netted 63 goals in just 74 appearances.
manager at forest and punches roy keane

thats all the info you need to know this man was a legend and will forever be remembered. i signed a petition only 4 weeks ago to get him knighted :(

his record for us was outstanding and deserves a statue or some tribute outside our ground.

1 thing that hasnt been noted is that i remember reading once that after a boro away game we had drew 6 all and cloughie had scored 4 if not all 6 goals for us. the rest of the team were happy to get a draw after considing 6 however cloughie was pissed off that after scoring the amount he did, the defence had let him down by considing so many.

as the story goes he was kicked off the team coach and forced to make his own way home! :lol:

RIP TO A MIDDLESBROUGH SCORING LEGEND :'(

Rob Ban Fan
09-21-2004, 03:49 PM
<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I remember seeing him on Match of the Day last year before Burton's FA Cup match, being interviewed along with Nigel and he hadn't lost it at all :lol:

RIP Cloughie :(</font>

Wengerland
09-21-2004, 06:17 PM
Nigel's Burton Albion won tonight :cool: