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Dave Youell
09-30-2004, 12:14 PM
This is a pretty even one for a change IMO:

PWI Top 500
1. Chris Benoit
2. Eddie Guerrero
3. HHH
4. Kenta Kobashi
5. Randy Orton
6. Toshiaki Kawada
7. John Cena
8. AJ Styles
9. Shawn Michaels
10. Chris Jericho
11. Hiroyoshi Tenzan
12. Jeff Jarrett
13. Kane
14. El Hijo Del Santo
15. John Bradshaw Layfield
16. Shelton Benjamin
17. Chavo Guerrero Jr.
18. Ron Killings
19. Hector Garza
20. Batista
21. Eugene
22. Rey Misterio Jr.
23. Undertaker
24. Booker T
25. Christopher Daniels
26. Bob Sapp
27. Michael Shane
28. Rob Van Dam
29. Mr. Niebla
30. Ric Flair
31. Christian
32. Chris Sabin
33. Keiji Muto
34. Samoa Joe
35. Raven
36. Kurt Angle
37. Buh Buh Ray Dudley
38. L.A. Park
39. Matt Hardy
40. Charlie Hass
41. Big Show
42. Tajiri
43. D-Von Dudley
44. Chris Harris
45. Rob Conway
46. Latin Lover
47. Shinya Hashimoto
48. Bill Goldberg
49. Matt Morgon
50. Kazarian
51. Spike Dudley
52. Jeventud Guerrera
53. Jushin Liger
54. Hardcore Holly
55. Naomichi Marufuji
56. Abyss
57. Rhyno
58. Hurricane
59. Edge
60. Sylvan Grenier
61. D-Lo Brown
62. Billy Gunn
63. Dough Basham
64. James Storm
65. Kid Kash
66. Rico
67. Shocker
68. Steve Corino
69. Johnny Jeter
70. Nicho El Millionario
71. Kensuke Sasaki
72. Donovan Morgan
73. CW Anderson
74. Jamie Noble
75. Tyson Tomko
76. Jamie Noble
77. American Dragon
78. Pat Kenny
79. Michael Modest
80. Luther Reigns
81. Elix Skipper
82. Paul London
83. Spanky
84. Tiger Mask IV
85. Garrison Cade
86. Essa Rios
87. Shinjiro Ohtani
88. Mordecai
89. CM Punk
90. Genichiro Tenryu
91. Abismo Negro
92. Billy Kidman
93. Naoya Ogawa
94. Ultimo Guerrero
95. Rikishi
96. Yuji Nagata
97. Atlantis
98. Rosey
99. Val Venis
100. Masato Tanaka
101. Monty Brown
102. Perro Aguayo JR.
103. Masa Chono
104. Test
105. A-Train
106. Steven Richards
107. Heat
108. Rene Dupree
109. Satoshi Kojima
110. Kenzo Suzuki
111. Nunzio
112. Mark Jindrak
113. Jerry Lynn
114. Chuck Palumbo
115. Black Warrior
116. Low-KI
117. Johnny Stamboli
118. Kaz Hayashi
119. Chase Stevens
120. Chavo Guerrero Sr.
121. Octogon
122. Sonny Siaki
123. Johnny Swinger
124. Scotty 2 Hotty
125. Jun Akiyama
126. Andy Douglas
127. Blue Panther
128. Sonjay Duitt
129. Shannon Moore
130. Mascara Sagrada
131. Al Snow
132. Yoshihiro Takayama
133. Chris Cage
134. Ultimo Dragon
135. CIMA
136. Mark Magnus
137. Orlando Jordon
138. Sho Funaki
139. Kojo Kanemoto
140. Akio
141. Tank Toland
142. Maven
143. Mitsuharu Misawa
144. Negro Casas
145. Sakado
146. Sabu
147. BG James
148. Matt Stryker
149. Julio Dinero
150. Jon Heidendreich
151. Shark Boy
152. Nova
153. Black Tiger
154. Chad Collyer
155. Colt Cabana
156. Joey Matthews
157. Super Delfin
158. Shawn Hernandez
159. Rodney Mack
160. Johnny Nitro
161. Predator
162. Dr. Wagner JR
163. Bobby Rude
164. Konnan
165. Red
166. Carly Colon
167. Manabu Nakanishi
168. Aaron Stevens
169. Electro Shock
170. Matt Cappotelli
171. Doug Williams
172. Dragon Kid
173. Damien 666
174. Halloween
175. Glen Gilberti
176. Brent Albright
177. Taka Michinoku
178. Petey Williams
179. Ekmo Fatu
180. Shane Douglas
181. Eric Young
182. Takehiro Murahama
183. Johnny Devine
184. Heavy Metal
185. Chris Masters
186. Kevin Northcutt
187. New Jack
188. Alebrije
189. Rockey Romero
190. Scoot Andrews
191. Great Sasuke
192. Homicide
193. Bison Smith
194. Ricky Reyes
195. Joel Maximo
196. Ace Steel
197. Jose MAximo
198. BJ Whitmer
199. Jimmy Rave
200. Felino
201. Skayde
202. Jonny Strorm
203. Ikuto Hidika
204. Dan Maff
205. Tom Howard
206. David Young
207. Mike Shane
208. Todd Shane
209. Josh Daniels
210. Jason Cross
211. Osamu Nishimura
212. Rey Misterio SR
213. Tony Jones
214. Jack Evans
215. Tony Kozina
216. Lex Lovett
217. Tokyo Magnum
218. D-Boy
219. Nigel McGuinness
220. Justin Credible
221. Shane Ballard
222. Dusty Rhodes JR
223. Shannon Ballard
224. Mike Quackenbash
225. Austin Aries
226. Quiet Storm
227. Bobby Quance
228. Zach Gowen
229. Sean Casey
230. Dick Togo
231. Milano
232. Jinsei
233. M-Dogg 20
234. Blue Meanie
235. SUWA
236. John Walters
237. James TIGHE
238. Shawn Daivari
239. Fujita
240. Masada
241. Josh Prohibition
242. Danny Inferno
243. Mike Kruel
244. Onyx
245. Jado
246. Brad Bradley
247. Danny Daniels
248. Yossino
249. Teddy Hart
250. Billy Fives
251. Prince Nana
252. Gedo
253. Mike Sullivan
254. Lamont
255. Dean Jablonski
256. Chris Hamrick
257. Seth Skyfire
258. Riki Choshu
259. Jimmy Vegas
260. Chad Wicks
261. Alex Arion
262. Harry Smith
263. Frank Parker
264. Sumo Fuji
265. Cody Hawk
266. Vinny Massaro
267. Todd Sexton
268. Jimmy Jacobs
269. Fast Eddie
270. Scorpio
271. DeVito
272. Iceberg
273. Dallas
274. Joe E Legend
275. Gram Hamada
276. Alex Shelly
277. HC Loc
278. Otto Schwanz
279. Akira Taue
280. Jacey North
281. Jason Rumble
282. Gabrial
283. Slash
284. Tom Brandi
285. Rico Casanova
286. Azreal
287. Aaron Agulera
288. Kohei Sato
289. Taru
290. Ryan Boz
291. Gran Apolo
292. The Stro
293. Biggie Biggs
294. Danny Doring
295. Zebra Kid
296. Gran Naniwa
297. Tank
298. Vance Nevada
299. Slyk Wagner Brown
300. Scotty Mac
301. Gene Sinski
302. Savio Vega
303. TJ Wilson
304. Rod Strong
305. Jerrelle Clark
306. Dennis Gregory
307. Juggernat
308. Slash Venom
309. Mike Barton
310. D-Ray 3000
311. Evan Karagias
312. Alter Boy Luke
313. Tyson Dux
314. Jorge Estrada
315. Steve Mack
316. Afa JR
317. Jason The Legend
318. Boomer Payne
319. Sasiki
320. Dusty Wolfe
321. Sed Strong
322. Blade Boudroux
323. Striker
324. Buff Bagwell
325. Firestorm
326. Adan Windsor
327. Nate Webb
328. Mike Mondo
329. Johnny Heartbreaker
330. Lash LeRoux
331. Chris Candido
332. DA Beasts
333. Murder 1
334. Snuka JR
335. Naphatali
336. Rob Ekos
337. Marc Ash
338. Quinn Magnum
339. Steve Madison
340. Chris Hero
341. Mike Bell
342. Rainman
343. Arch Kinkaid
344. Frank Murdoch
345. Ray Gordy
346. Mark Bell
347. Brandon K
348. Justice
349. Devon Strom
350. Glen Osbourne
351. Sinn
352. Standing Thunder
353. Rapid Fire Maldanado
354. Arik Cannon
355. Rod Steel
356. Mike Taylor
357. Reno
358. Mahoney
359. Mana
360. Eric Preist
361. Seth Shai
362. Jack Xavier
363. Rob Begley
364. Brock Singleton
365. John Rambo
366. Robin Knightwing
367. Gillberg
368. Buff-E
369. Mace Mendoza
370. Super Hentai
371. Mike The Miz
372. Joey Knight
373. KC Thunder
374. Ace Darling
375. T Rantula
376. Delerious
377. Jap Pool Boy
378. Mac Johnson
379. Jardi Franz
380. TJ Powers
381. Nikita Allanov
382. Cheetah Masta
383. Bruse Steels
384. Vito Thomsaselli
385. Antonio Thomas
386. Caprice Colman
387. Steve DemArco
388. Johnny The Body
389. Dropkick Murphy
390. Fred Sampson
391. Rockin Rebel
392. Chasyn Rance
393. Eddie Brown
394. Johnny Ova
395. James Keenan
396. Scott Savage
397. Mr. Ooh La La
398. Matt Sydal
399. George South SR
400. Bart Blaxon
401. Shawn Donovan
402. Bouncer
403. Sal Thomaselli
404. Scottie Gash
405. Jeremy V
406. JC BAily
407. Frankie Capon
408. CJ ODoyle
409. Scott Phoenix
410. KC Blade
411. Jacob Ladder
412. J Rocc
413. Major Haredway
414. EC Negro
415. Sal Rinauro
416. Oman Tortuga
417. Eddie Atlas
418. Roman
419. Tenderfoot
420. Glenn Spectre
421. Robert Thompson
422. Billy Bax
423. Greg Spits
424. Hacker
425. Russell Simpson
426. Johnny Graham
427. Bob Evans
428. Sain
429. Guapo
430. Diablo Santago
431. JJ Perez
432. Don Basher
433. Bio Hazard
434. Rory Fox
435. Spiro
436. Lee Great
437. Drago
438. Rob McBride
439. Jeff Starr
440. TJ Dalton
441. Eric Xtasy
442. Flex Fenom
443. The Bruiser
444. Magic
445. Johnny Maxx
446. Kvin Knight
447. John Curse
448. Jeromy Sage
449. Suba
450. Robbie Ellis
451. Apollo Khan
452. Major DeBEers
453. LeGrande
454. Mozart Fontaine
455. Don Brodie
456. Slim J
457. HAllowicked
458. Ruffhouse
459. Joseph
460. Rodd Dell
461. Ram
462. Karazy K
463. Billy Black
464. Vince Vicallo
465. Bomberry
466. JT Stahr
467. Shadow Jackson
468. Gutter
469. Mega
470. Tejas
471. Eddie Kingston
472. Jack Thriller
473. El Tronado
474. Darin Childs
475. Scab
476. Xero
477. Dave Swift
478. J Busta
479. Enigma
480. Snatch Haggis
481. Tommy Suede
482. Bull Dog Raines
483. Brandon P
484. Tery Alan
485. Billy Bart
486. Lil Cholo
487. Q Lee
488. Bruiser Graham
489. Foreskain
490. Seth Delay
491. Conrad Kennedy III
492. Shirley Doe
493. Danger
494. Shane Shadows
495. Vennis DeMArco
496. Gran Akuma
497. JT Lighting
498. Mike Dell
499. Mister Zero
500. Rod Steele

Anybody Thrilla
09-30-2004, 12:35 PM
Chavo Classic is ranked entirely too high (120)

Gouda
09-30-2004, 12:41 PM
Tyson Tomko is way too high. :|

And Jamie Noble seems to be on the list twice. Right above and below Tomko.

Shaggy
09-30-2004, 12:44 PM
Holy crap...i know someone on there and not from TV.

409 Scott Phoenix

He uses to wrestle for an indy thing that I go to all the time.

Loose Cannon
09-30-2004, 12:49 PM
Where's Teddy "Loose Cannon" Hart? Can't find him.

Danny Electric
09-30-2004, 12:50 PM
Lol
I signed 481 Tommy Suede on that game.

Danny Electric
09-30-2004, 12:51 PM
Batista at 20 :nono:

HankScorpio
09-30-2004, 12:52 PM
oooooookaaaayyyyyy...
Why is JBL at 15
and Angle at 36

WTF????

Danny Electric
09-30-2004, 12:55 PM
Teddy Hart is 249 LC.

Danny Electric
09-30-2004, 01:02 PM
Jon Heidenreich is not better than Nova and Shark Boy.

Mister Sinister
09-30-2004, 01:02 PM
The Future of the business is at 8!

The Mackem
09-30-2004, 01:14 PM
Is the Matt Morgan at 49 the Matt morgan I'm thinking of?

Excellance of Execution
09-30-2004, 01:24 PM
How about Mordecai at 88 :nono: I liked his gimmick and all, but what did he wrestle for, about 2-3 weeks on smackdown and we haven't seen him since?

Gouda
09-30-2004, 01:26 PM
oooooookaaaayyyyyy...
Why is JBL at 15
and Angle at 36

WTF????

I think this is more what they have done during the year and not their wrestling ability.

HankScorpio
09-30-2004, 01:34 PM
Ahhh, I see, that makes a bit more sense

Kapoutman
09-30-2004, 01:36 PM
How about Mordecai at 88 :nono: I liked his gimmick and all, but what did he wrestle for, about 2-3 weeks on smackdown and we haven't seen him since?
We should ask CoE, because I think he had a great year in OVW before the Mordecai thing.

Innovator
09-30-2004, 01:59 PM
The future is 8, and the rightful person is at 1

Innovator
09-30-2004, 02:00 PM
Rod Steele is on there twice

loopydate
09-30-2004, 02:32 PM
I haven't finished reading the entire list, but the top part of it looks about right.

And just because a wrestler is ahead of another one doesn't necessarily mean that they're "better." Honestly, I don't think anyone would consider JBL better than Booker T. They base their list primarily on accomplishments. JBL has been WWE Champion for months, while Angle is only recently returning from an injury that kept him out since Wrestlemania. Had Angle been healthy all year, he'd be top five, easy.

Innovator
09-30-2004, 02:43 PM
Where's Teddy "Loose Cannon" Hart? Can't find him.
249

Evil Vito
09-30-2004, 03:56 PM
<font color=goldenrod>Pretty good list, IMO.

I think Jericho should've been a tad bit higher, but 10 still rules.

Also, no Big Vito</font> :(

Gerard
09-30-2004, 03:56 PM
What a load of shite.

V
09-30-2004, 04:40 PM
lol, snitsky does 2 matches and gets the honour of both being #301, and having his name terribly spelled "Gene Sinski"

Zach Gowen on the list lol

whoever the hell Mr. Ooh la la is, i feel sorry for him for having that horrible name

did they just throw in random names at the end? the top of the list seems pretty good, but the lower you go the more of a joke it seems

Innovator
09-30-2004, 05:21 PM
good seeing V-1UUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHH so high at 39, hopefully when he comes back he can get a little higher

Evil Vito
09-30-2004, 05:32 PM
<font color=goldenrod>ASDNFJGFNDFHFDBFNBLFD

Just noticed that J-Busta is on the list. :eek:

(Those of you who followed my TNM7 game will know why I'm marking out)</font>

The Mackem
09-30-2004, 05:47 PM
I'm sorry but someone please explain to me what Matt Morgan has done.

sadio8
09-30-2004, 06:00 PM
7. John Cena
8. AJ Styles
9. Shawn Michaels
10. Chris Jericho

LOL John Cena is not better then AJ, HBK, or Y2J. This whole list is a joke to be honest with ya.

loopydate
09-30-2004, 06:00 PM
I'm sorry but someone please explain to me what Matt Morgan has done.The PWI 500 voting period runs August-to-August. At the end of 2003, he was involved in one of the Survivor Series main events, as well as being associated with the WWE Champion, the U.S. Champion, and Paul Heyman.

Upon returning to OVW, he became an immediate front-runner to the OVW Heavyweight Title and has been a focal point for several storylines.

lol, snitsky does 2 matches and gets the honour of both being #301, and having his name terribly spelled "Gene Sinski"

Zach Gowen on the list lol

whoever the hell Mr. Ooh la la is, i feel sorry for him for having that horrible name

did they just throw in random names at the end? the top of the list seems pretty good, but the lower you go the more of a joke it seemsSnitsky has probably had a couple hundred matches, between his indy work, OVW, and his recent WWE dark match and TV appearances.

Zach Gowen had a successful indy run before being brought up to WWE.

Mr. Ooh La La is no worse than "The Big Show."

And the bottom two-hundred or so is usually a mark of pride for indy wrestlers not competing in nationally-known companies like WWE, TNA, ROH, or the top Japanese or Mexican promotions. I've seen independent wrestlers' websites that have a running tally of every time they've been listed in the 500.

7. John Cena
8. AJ Styles
9. Shawn Michaels
10. Chris Jericho

LOL John Cena is not better then AJ, HBK, or Y2J. This whole list is a joke to be honest with ya.
Read my above post about "better than." Cena has been a main-eventer all year and had a lengthy and memorable United States Title run. Jericho, until recently, hasn't even smelled gold. After a memorable start to the year, Michaels disappeared for several months. AJ, aside from a two-week (or so, can't remember the exact length) title reign and a brief X Title reign, has mostly been used as an extra man in big X tag matches or as someone they put guys (Jeff Hardy) that they want heat for against.

loopydate
09-30-2004, 06:03 PM
BTW, for everyone who thinks they can make a better list...

http://www.tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20562

Loose Cannon
09-30-2004, 06:07 PM
For all of you sort of complaining, you have to understand that guys like Moran, Mordecai and others have had success in OVW. Morgan is their main guy down there right now and has had quite a few good matches. His WWE debut may have went sour, but he's done pretty well in OVW. Same with Mordecai.

tucsonspeed6
09-30-2004, 06:38 PM
Why in the hell is JBL number 15? That's fucking terrible! I don't think the guy should even be on the god damn list and he makes 15. Look at this: Billy Fives (250), Lash Leroux (330) Chris Hero (340). Fucking Zach Gowen (225) beat all of these guys! How in the fuck does that happen? This list is a fucking joke. I don't know why people make a big deal out of it.

loopydate
09-30-2004, 08:27 PM
*Sigh*

Am I on everyone's ignore list or something...?

Ian
09-30-2004, 08:45 PM
187. New Jack

lol

Anybody Thrilla
09-30-2004, 08:51 PM
187. New Jack

lol

Coincedence?

Of course not.

KayfabeMan
09-30-2004, 10:11 PM
List = :lol:

KayfabeMan
09-30-2004, 10:18 PM
Look at this: Billy Fives (250), Lash Leroux (330) Chris Hero (340). Fucking Zach Gowen (225) beat all of these guys! How in the fuck does that happen? This list is a fucking joke. I don't know why people make a big deal out of it.

Fives hasn't been a 'hot commodity' on the indy scene for a long while now. He's only worked a handful of matches in the last year, and is just now back into things - so to speak. He's lucky to make the list at all, and frankly, that ranking is way too high for him at this point.

Same thing goes for Lash Leroux, as "he ain't what he used to be", and only works here and there. He doesn't stay busy enough to rank in reality. There are guys out there with full schedules who are bigger names even, and they aren't on the list at all.

Hero I have no comment on, as I can't really say what would or wouldn't be fair for him. I do agree, Gowan/Gowen shouldn't even be ranked there at all.

Transplant
09-30-2004, 10:42 PM
389. Dropkick Murphy

Somebody Give This Man Some Airtime.

32. Chris Sabin

NICE

79. Michael Modest

Mike Modest higher than Spanky? :nono:

Champion of Europa
10-01-2004, 12:42 AM
Yeah, Mordecai and Morgan are doing rather well in OVW.

Also, :heart: @ Seth Skyfire.

mitch_h
10-01-2004, 01:36 AM
The top 100 isn't too bad but after that it kinda goes down hill. Jimmy Jacobs ahead of Alex Shelley :mad: