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I-Hate-You
10-12-2004, 02:19 PM
From 1Wrestling.com
"Pat Patterson, a long time friend and confidant of Vince McMahon, may be on the way out of WWE after becoming imbroiled in a behind the scenes situation that saw him speaking out against the continued strong push being received by Triple H on the "RAW brand".

Patterson recently told Vince McMahon he believed Triple H was pushed too strongly as the center of the RAW universe and that relying too heavily on Triple H is one of the problems that has caused ratings and house show drops in recent months.

A WWE source tells us Patterson has given his notice to Vince McMahon and plans to retire after 46 years in the wrestling business.

McMahon is known to surround himself with "yes men" who will tell him what they think he wants to hear. Patterson isn't a "yes man" and speaking his mind about the Triple H situation sparked tension that apparently has prompted Patterson's decision to retire."

This is stupid on Vince's part. He's losing one great booker.

El Santo
10-12-2004, 02:26 PM
That fool.

On another note, this explains why Jim Cornette is not a backstage booker. I think he would be awesome in the role, but he's definitely not a "yes man".

(Makes me wonder, too, if this is why Paul Heyman's not booking, either....)

Kapoutman
10-12-2004, 02:46 PM
Yeah. Jim Cornette books pretty much whatever he wants in OVW. He wouldn't have that liberty in WWE.

That sucks for Patterson though. WWE is losing a good guy, but I guess he deserves a good retirement 46 years.

Rock Bottom
10-12-2004, 03:03 PM
Wow. Maybe losing Patterson over it will at least jab him in the ass a little. How blind can you be?

KayfabeMan
10-12-2004, 03:20 PM
Good.

With Patterson, Prichard and others now out of the picture, maybe Vince will learn what it's like to lose out on having great people working with you. I'd like to see a smart move on TNA's part and offer Pat a part-time role with their company, as he does have a place in FL, and wouldn't be far away.

Gouda
10-12-2004, 03:24 PM
Freaking totalitarian regime...

tazmaster
10-12-2004, 03:28 PM
This is horrible! :nono:

Right now, Vince should be seriously considering any and all ideas to bring WWE product back up to the stellar performance it is capable of. I hope this is one of those internet news stories that turns out not to be true.

This is why Vince needs competition. His "yes men" can't kick him in the ass and make him take notice... but a competitor beating him in the ratings can.

Anybody Thrilla
10-12-2004, 03:33 PM
I thought the lot of your were fed up with WWE booking? Maybe it's not such a bad thing.

I dunno, I'm just sayin'...

V
10-12-2004, 03:47 PM
HOLY FUCK

we all friggin joked about how Vince would just laugh at patterson's idea and ignore it, and it really fucking happens...

Vince = poop :(

El Santo
10-12-2004, 03:54 PM
I thought the lot of your were fed up with WWE booking? Maybe it's not such a bad thing.

I dunno, I'm just sayin'...

Maybe, but most of us see it like this:

Someone on the booking team actually had the cojones to go against what's been wrong for the the past couple of years. He pinpoints the big reason why the ratings were down ... and next second he's out the door.

Which means ... they guy replacing him will most likely be someone who thinks Vince's next idea is "Brilliant!" This sends a bad message too, to any of the remaining bookers that if you don't agree with Vince McMahon, then your ass is grass.

Anybody Thrilla
10-12-2004, 04:15 PM
Ahh, that makes sense.

Funky Fly
10-12-2004, 04:22 PM
True, El Santo, but this is exactly what they need: Vince let's several good non-yesman people go, they go to a rival company (TNA), their product gets better, their ratings go up (not likely but it would be great if it did) and WWE feels the heat.

It'll take a while, but if it goes down that way, it'll force the WWE to get better.

Anybody Thrilla
10-12-2004, 04:25 PM
True, El Santo, but this is exactly what they need: Vince let's several good non-yesman people go, they go to a rival company (TNA), their product gets better, their ratings go up (not likely but it would be great if it did) and WWE feels the heat.

It'll take a while, but if it goes down that way, it'll force the WWE to get better.

I'm sorry, but I don't see Pat fuc</>king Patterson spiking any ratings unless society gets a sudden uncontrollable urge for Evening Gown matches and Indian streaked undies.

Seriously though, I don't see a casual fan going "OH SH</>IT! PAT PATTERSON IS ON THE TNA BOOKING TEAM? I'M QUITTING MY JOB TO WATCH....uhhh....what's their show called again?"

Ya know?

loopydate
10-12-2004, 04:36 PM
Seriously though, I don't see a casual fan going "OH SH</>IT! PAT PATTERSON IS ON THE TNA BOOKING TEAM? I'M QUITTING MY JOB TO WATCH....uhhh....what's their show called again?"

Ya know?
Yeah. But they might get excited when Patterson proposes an idea that Vince shot down and it gets somebody like Chris Sabin mega-over.

Mister Sinister
10-12-2004, 04:41 PM
Yeah. But they might get excited when Patterson proposes an idea that Vince shot down and it gets somebody like Chris Sabin mega-over.

Sabin....Mega-Over........I like It!

Head
10-12-2004, 04:43 PM
I think TNA has to have proper TV coverage before the WWE has to start worrying about them. A Friday night slot won't do.

SuperSlim
10-12-2004, 04:59 PM
this sucks

Anybody Thrilla
10-12-2004, 05:04 PM
Yeah. But they might get excited when Patterson proposes an idea that Vince shot down and it gets somebody like Chris Sabin mega-over.

You know, I think people put too much weight on Vince. I don't think he's the one making <i>all</i> the bad decisions.

And at press time, Chris Sabin and mega-over is not a conceiveable state of existence.

loopydate
10-12-2004, 05:06 PM
You know, I think people put too much weight on Vince. I don't think he's the one making all the bad decisions.

And at press time, Chris Sabin and mega-over is not a conceiveable state of existence.Seven years ago, neither was Flex Kavana and mega-over. Or "Ringmaster" Steve Austin. Or Hunter Hearst-Helmsley. Or Isaac Yankem, DDS. Or the skinny one from Harlem Heat.

Loose Cannon
10-12-2004, 05:25 PM
wow, pretty bad if a guy who's suppossed to be one of Vince's closest freinds gets heat for offering his advice on why the products down. And it's not even like it's crazy advice or something. Yeah, cause a booking team where everyone agrees with one guy is going to go places.

Patterson and Pritchard should just go to TNA and do whatever they can to improve the product over there and stick it right to Vince.

Funky Fly
10-12-2004, 05:30 PM
loopy and LC took what I was trying to communicate and put it in way better words.

Patterson on TV = disaster

Patterson on a booking team = wrestling nirvana

Gerard
10-12-2004, 05:42 PM
What exactly was the reason behind pritchard getting the boot? Ive never read a good explaination of that.

Corkscrewed
10-12-2004, 06:13 PM
Well, news like this sort of makes me wish Vince continues to fuck up so badly that he loses a huge amount of money and becomes a wrestling disgrace.

That's just some grade A bullshit there. Sucks for Patterson, but I'm sure he'll find something to do. Plus, he's been around for a long time. He deserves a retirement I guess.

Vince proves himself to be a bigger idiot than I thought. Selfishness to the despicable fullest.

Blue Demon
10-12-2004, 06:21 PM
I think that's reallt too bad

Anybody Thrilla
10-12-2004, 06:28 PM
Seven years ago, neither was Flex Kavana and mega-over. Or "Ringmaster" Steve Austin. Or Hunter Hearst-Helmsley. Or Isaac Yankem, DDS. Or the skinny one from Harlem Heat.

Yeah, but Sabin is in NWA:TNA.

V
10-12-2004, 07:14 PM
TNA really needs to become the next WCW (in terms of competition with WWE)

that'll make both products so much better, it's obvious vince isn't trying hard cuz he thinks he has a monopoly... that thought seriously needs to be taken away, all jokes aside, it's seriously getting really ridiculous

loopydate
10-12-2004, 07:18 PM
Yeah, but Sabin is in NWA:TNA.
Nobody thought Scotty Flamingo would amount to anything. Or the Tasmaniac.

BigDaddyCool
10-12-2004, 08:46 PM
Chris Sabin sucks more than A.J. Styles.

Loose Cannon
10-12-2004, 08:49 PM
lol

NoJabbaNoBogRoll
10-12-2004, 08:51 PM
I think everyone in TNA will suck slightly more if Patterson heads there.

Loose Cannon
10-12-2004, 08:52 PM
^^does that have a double meaning :lol:

BigDaddyCool
10-12-2004, 10:31 PM
Nobody thought Scotty Flamingo would amount to anything. Or the Tasmaniac.

Heyman did.

loopydate
10-13-2004, 03:05 PM
Heyman did.
Exactly. So who's to say that Patterson can't show the Jarretts that somebody like Sabin or Kazarian or Alex Shelley could be the character the promotion needs.

Loose Cannon
10-13-2004, 03:10 PM
^^Actually, TNA is much like the WWE in booking. They don't listen to everyone eathier. It's almost exactly like WWE where you have two main guys (Jarrett and Mantel) and they just book everything themselves usually. That's why Russo left/is leaving.

It's sad because TNA has Terry Taylor, but he said on a radio show the other WEEK that they don't use him for booking and creating storylines. Taylor has a great mind for the business much like Patterson.

Gerard
10-13-2004, 03:52 PM
What exactly was the reason behind pritchard getting the boot? Ive never read a good explaination of that.


:( noone knows

Jacko
10-13-2004, 08:30 PM
Is Vince homophobic?

Anybody Thrilla
10-13-2004, 08:31 PM
I just want to reiterate, this will have little to no effect on the wrestling world whatsoever.

The CyNick
10-13-2004, 10:03 PM
WWE = less freedom than Nazi Germany. Even people in North Korea are reading this stuff and going "damn, those people in the WWE have no rights whatsoever".

Maybe the US government should "liberate" the WWE employees.

V
10-13-2004, 10:18 PM
Is Vince homophobic?

no thats' Brock

M-A-G
10-14-2004, 01:09 AM
Nobody thought Scotty Flamingo would amount to anything. Or the Tasmaniac.


They didn't amount to anything.