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Dave Youell
11-09-2004, 06:04 AM
After years of hearing conflicting reports from many different sources regarding Vince Russo I sat down last night a watch a 2 hour shoot, which changed my opinion about the guy, here are a few of the things which stuck out in mind and also something's that surprised me, here are some of my highlights:

On the subject of David Arquette winning the title:

This wasn't even mentioned until a few hours before the show started, and It wasn't even his idea Tony Schavonie (SP?) suggested it and then Russo went to the board with the idea. It was again another shock tactic which Russo recognised, but it worked, the next day David was in USA Today with the belt and the next week there was a promo with Courtney Cox and Kevin Costner, they couldn't in their wildest dreams got that kind of publicity if DDP had won the belt that night, plus he didn't beat a wrestler for that belt, he beat Eric Bischoff so it wasn't like he even beat a wreslter for the title.

Russo's work ethic never evolved around the wrestling itself, he never booked the actual match, he may when needed suggest what the finish should be for storyline development, but didn't deal with the 'nuts and bolts' of the actual match. Meaning Russo's aim was on getting in viewers to look at the storyline and characters rather than the wrestling itself, as the average fan In his opinion was only interested in the finish of the match once it had started, once a wreslter hit that rest hold you would lose 50% of your audience because today's casual wrestling fans have a very short attention span.

On WCW as a whole:

He knew within the first week of working there that he was in the shit, but to his credit in the first 3 months when he was booking he got the ratings up from a 2.5 to a 3.5 a pretty impressive figure all things considered, it was then at this point they got someone else in for 3 months and then asked Russo back when the ratings were again back at a 2.5. Although many people on the net may not agree with Russo's methods, they were effective, the ratings speak for themselves, this is why he did the David Arquette thing and why he put the belt on himself, to get the people to sit up and listen and watch the show and try to give it that unpredictability that kept the viewers guessing and keep them watching.

On Vince:

Russo did really kiss Vince's ass throughout the shoot, that may be because he wants to work back with Vince or it could be because he has a genuine respect for him, I got the feeling that it was a but of both. From the comments he made it does sound like he devoted 3 years of his life to Vince and was his right hand man, he said that booking back then was alot simpler and that's what made it work. Himself and Ed Ferrera would spend 8 hours on 1 day talking about the entire roster and then come up with storylines for all of them, every single guy. Then the following day they would present them to Vince, He would them change things and Tweek things, then give it back to Russo and Russo would write the script for the next weeks Raw, very simple, but the whole process did become very time consuming and Russo was realising that he was becoming burnt out.

It was then around this time that Vince announced Smackdown, Russo said he didn't feel this was a good idea, he didn't like WCW's Thunder and he felt 2 shows would hurt the company as a whole, mainly because it would water down Raw, as it was still the same booking team doing both shows, meaning the time taking on each show was split in half. Russo continued to book both shows until his departure.

After WCW folded and he had a meeting with Vince about coming back, he wanted to do it to help the company as he no longer enjoyed the product he was watching anymore and he was watching character that he helped mould in a show that he helped build and all he wanted to do was help out. He was offered a consultant role which he turned down and left from what I can gather with no hard feelings

On TNA:

From the sound of his shoot he really doesn't like TNA all that much! He was promised a booking role by Jarret, but it never emerged for a long time he was only an on screen character and nothing more.

He doesn't feel that TNA is what it should or could be. He was expecting something with a bit more edge, when you can get away with nudity and swearing, but that never happened, to be honest he didn't talk to much about TNA.

On the Internet and Dirtsheets:

The only problem that he seems to have with everyone on the internet and every dirt sheet stating everything as fact and not using the phrase In my Opinion. if someone says that this happened or states what they think of a match it must be that way because it was stated as fact. He just wishes that more people emphasized that it's opinion

So overall all, I don't think Russo is as big of a dick as we have been lead to believe, as always there are 2 sides to every story and somewhere between those stories lies the truth, take it for what you will, But after watching all that I must say I respect him more than I used to

Disturbed316
11-09-2004, 06:15 AM
It's on again right now.

Londoner
11-09-2004, 06:20 AM
I watched that thing last night to. It's cleared up alot of things and shut the haters up i think. People are too judgemental imo.

Londoner
11-09-2004, 06:21 AM
And i couldn't agree more with this:

The only problem that he seems to have with everyone on the internet and every dirt sheet stating everything as fact and not using the phrase In my Opinion. if someone says that this happened or states what they think of a match it must be that way because it was stated as fact. He just wishes that more people emphasized that it's opinion

SuperSlim
11-09-2004, 07:37 AM
good stuff

Loose Cannon
11-09-2004, 08:12 AM
Nah, I never really thought badly of Russo. I actually liked have always liked him when he's been on TV, especially during the S.E.X. angle. He did makes some decisons in WCW that were bad, but he definately wasn't acountable for everything.

And you see the 2nd Par after the "David Arquette" thing, he is right on the money there. That's why TNA will never get over with thier "wrestlers." People realy don't care about great matches anymore. They come to see the storylines and the characters with some good wrestling on the side. There's where your Nash's, Hall's, Savage's come in

Gerard
11-09-2004, 09:12 AM
Where can i watch this 2 hour thing?

samichna
11-09-2004, 09:59 AM
Ask Derek Sabato.

Gerard
11-09-2004, 10:22 AM
Ask Derek Sabato.


Who? :wtf:

Rob
11-09-2004, 12:55 PM
Russo is still a moron. I don't give a toss if Arquette was in USA today with the belt. Nobody new started watching the show because of him and most of their current viewers stopped. That's as simple as it gets.

Rob
11-09-2004, 12:57 PM
And i couldn't agree more with this:

The only problem that he seems to have with everyone on the internet and every dirt sheet stating everything as fact and not using the phrase In my Opinion. if someone says that this happened or states what they think of a match it must be that way because it was stated as fact. He just wishes that more people emphasized that it's opinion

FACT - Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez printed FACTS in their sheets showing the Nitro numbers and Russo called them liars.

FACT - Russo was on Meltzer's radio show and every single caller ripped him a new arse because they had more common sense in their pinky toenails and Russo does in his whole body.

Londoner
11-09-2004, 01:14 PM
Fact- before russo came in what were the ratings in wwe? Something like 2. something? He helped lift them up to 8 something.

Fact- You can call the guy a moron all you want but you don't know the guy, neither do i.All i know is from the interview he seemed a decent guy,and helped lift the ratings to what they once became. Anything else other than that i don't really care about.

Londoner
11-09-2004, 01:16 PM
Russo is still a moron. I don't give a toss if Arquette was in USA today with the belt. Nobody new started watching the show because of him and most of their current viewers stopped. That's as simple as it gets.

Got any facts to prove your point?

Loose Cannon
11-09-2004, 01:21 PM
I'm telling you right now, your first "FACT" isn't really correct. You're making it seem like Russo was mainly resposible for the ratings increase. That's not right at all. Russo was far from being the main guy responsible.

Londoner
11-09-2004, 01:28 PM
Read my post again. I said 'helped' ;)

Dave Youell
11-09-2004, 04:26 PM
FACT - Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez printed FACTS in their sheets showing the Nitro numbers and Russo called them liars.

FACT - Russo was on Meltzer's radio show and every single caller ripped him a new arse because they had more common sense in their pinky toenails and Russo does in his whole body.

The ratings on Nitro did go up 1.0 whilst he was booking. And too be fair the only people he pissed off were people like you and I who are the internet wrestling community

KayfabeMan
11-09-2004, 05:17 PM
Russo has always been way smarter than what people give him credit for. The fact of the matter is, hardly anyone who bitched / bitches about him could do 1/10th of what he did - and yet they seem to feel that they know more than he does.

No one was in the meetings / office except Russo and the folks he dealt with, and the majority of the people bitter against him who are on the inside are only bitter because he told them the truth about their careers / positions.

YES - he did make mistakes, like having airtime go to Ed Ferrara every week, but he did give airtime and pushes to people like Booker T, Kid Romeo, Kidman, and others who never got a chance before, and opened WCW's doors to guys like AJ Styles, EZ Money, Mike Modest and others.

Bottom line is, Russo is misunderstood, and did a well job with what he had to work with. You can't put one man on the Titanic with one of his hands tied behind his back and expect him to save everyone on the ship.

LK
11-09-2004, 05:21 PM
Well he obviously lost a fair bit more than the internet fans. Figures indicate when Russo was in charge house show figurees dropped from 4,500 to 1,800. Starrcade the companies biggest event in 2000 earned a 0.11, 5% of the 1997 buy rate. 95% of the PPV audience was gone. I am not saying that this was all done by Russo but he had a major impact in it. Russo also lost $60 million dollars in only 12 months. He may say that the Arquette incident was great business but you want people talking of the company positively. You don't want people saying what the f***. Why the hell is he the champ. He may say it was a stroke of brilliance but the figures identify that this made people give up on WCW just about more than anything. PPV number for Slamboree, the event that Arquette defended the title, 0.14.

Splaya
11-09-2004, 06:18 PM
Fact- before russo came in what were the ratings in wwe? Something like 2. something? He helped lift them up to 8 something.



If I recall correctly, the highest RAW ever got when Russo was booking was a 6.2 rating.

GODSON
11-09-2004, 10:23 PM
Well he obviously lost a fair bit more than the internet fans. Figures indicate when Russo was in charge house show figurees dropped from 4,500 to 1,800. Starrcade the companies biggest event in 2000 earned a 0.11, 5% of the 1997 buy rate. 95% of the PPV audience was gone. I am not saying that this was all done by Russo but he had a major impact in it. Russo also lost $60 million dollars in only 12 months. He may say that the Arquette incident was great business but you want people talking of the company positively. You don't want people saying what the f***. Why the hell is he the champ. He may say it was a stroke of brilliance but the figures identify that this made people give up on WCW just about more than anything. PPV number for Slamboree, the event that Arquette defended the title, 0.14.

Actually, Russo left WCW during that time.

The CyNick
11-09-2004, 10:55 PM
Russo is a dumb f*&%.

He is so dilusional about what he did and didn't do.

Did he write some TV for WCW that led to higher ratings? Yes. But he also booked the characters on the show so that ratings would go lower than when he first got there and also make it so nobody would pay money to see WCW.

Thats the part he never talks about, he just likes to pick and choose certain numbers that he was resposible for, but what take heat for the fact that his booking style ultimately put the company out of business.

Yeah Arquette was in US Today, but what good did it do? And by having Arquette win the title, he made the title seem worthless, and then people stopped buying the PPVs and going to live events.

With WWE, its a well known FACT that McMahon dealt with the majority of the top angles, Russo was there for some ideas and the mid/lower card guys. If Russo was such a genius TV writer he would have done huge business in WCW when he took over in 99. But he didn't. The reason? He's a fraud.

The WWE moved on without Russo in '99 and went on to have their best years from a financial standpoint. So obviously Russo wasn't 'that' big of a deal.

Bottom line if you think making the company unporfitable is worth having a picture of David Arquette with the company's championship is a fair trade, you're probably a Vince Russo fan.

Londoner
11-10-2004, 12:48 AM
Splaya- I don't have the facts, im just getting this from what he said, but 6.2 is still pretty good. Better than whats going on now atleast.

I'm not a Russo fan though, but i don't have all the facts on him/what he does so i can't really praise/criticise him, i'm just saying that all i know is while he was there the ratings got better, not saying its all down to him but he must've done something right.

Dave Youell
11-10-2004, 06:14 AM
If I recall correctly, the highest RAW ever got when Russo was booking was a 6.2 rating.
No it was an 8.2

the this is your life segment

CosaNostra
11-10-2004, 09:42 AM
Plus he didn't beat a wrestler for that belt, he beat Eric Bischoff so it wasn't like he even beat a wreslter for the title.
Russo is still a moron. I don't give a toss if Arquette was in USA today with the belt. Nobody new started watching the show because of him and most of their current viewers stopped. That's as simple as it gets.
Agreed Rob, 100%. A non-wrestler beating a non-wrestler for the word heavyweight title. Russo's little stunt with Arquette helped to piss away the title's worth and they ended up with nothing to show for it. No wonder the WCW title had credibility issues.

Rob
11-10-2004, 06:55 PM
Got any facts to prove your point?

You mean other than the facts that ratings when down immediately following that show and the company never recovered and ended up dying? Nah, I got nothing. :roll:

The three spells Russo took over WCW, ratings nose dived. Check the timeline but it's an absolute stone wall FACT.


The ratings on Nitro did go up 1.0 whilst he was booking. And too be fair the only people he pissed off were people like you and I who are the internet wrestling community

When did they get this 1.0? Please remind me.

Did the ratings maintain? No, they nosedived to record lows.

Actually, my brother and a lot of my friends, none of which have ever even looked at a wrestling website that wasn't WWE.com all hate Russo. They hate his TV character and his ideas (shoot angles being the biggest one).

No more arguing. The facts don't lie. Rob wins!