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HeartBreakMan2k

11-14-2004, 11:22 PM

Who do you feel will be the future of the business. I mean, who do you see taking the sport to the next generation. Guys like Hogan, Savage, Hart, Michaels, Austin, and Rock all changed the business and changed what it was built around. Who do you feel will be the next big marquee players.

To me, some are obvious. I'll give you a run down, only list 4 or 5 if you'd like.

Randy Orton
Here's the most obvious one to me, the guy is a great athlete, has a great look and is already being groomed for greatness. Let him sharpen his in rings skills and he'll be a staple and a household name.

AJ Styles
Styles is the man I think is going to change what you look for in a wrestler, just as Brock changed what you expect to see from a big man. Styles has learned psycology from guys like Raven, and Double J, that along with his just absolutely amazing mind for innovations and great athletic ability, he's going to change the game.

Shelton Benjamin
The definition of diamond in the rough. The thing I like about Shelton is he knows how to work a crowd, he's an incredibly gifted wrestler, and he can go to the air and pull out things like 450 splashes (something we haven't seen from him since his emergance in the WWE). Shelton is the kind of guy, who the fans will latch on too easily, if WWE markets him and gives him a shot he'll explode.

Guys like Nova, Lynn, Daniels, Williams, Hass, ect I see good things for but I just don't see a major company putting them in a position that they can make much of a push.

mitch_h

11-14-2004, 11:34 PM

Yea I definetly agree with Orton in Benjamin. Watching Orton bump he reminded me so much of the Rock, you can just tell he is going to be huge. Benjamin is just insanely good in the ring.

Outside of the WWE

John Walters - He is the next Benoit. Apparently he got crushed by Big Show or somebody not to long ago. If I wasn't such a ROH mark i would love to see WWE pick him up.

Austin Aries - I love guys that can work multiple styles... just one of most talented wrestlers working the indies right now.

Bryan Danielson - Probably the only non WWE North American worker better than AJ styles. It's great to see a worker who still thinks about telling a story with his matches. Probably won't see huge success in WWE or TNA but definetly in Japan. ALthough he is already pretty over.

HeartBreakMan2k

11-14-2004, 11:38 PM

I'll definently agree with you on Danielson, overseas he'll be huge. He's one of those guys who if he devotes his time to working strictly in Japan (I heard he still does ROH sometimes) and a company decides to run with him the Japanese fans will rally behind him. Haven't heard to much about Walters honest. Austin is under-rated, or he isn't as widely known as he should be. He has a great touch in the ring but people who only see him in one or two matches online won't really know what a talent he is.

HeartBreakMan2k

11-14-2004, 11:48 PM

Also, just to take a similar idea and keep it to the thread, who are some guys who you think could be huge if they worked on one thing or another.

For me it's Petey Williams, if he learns how to work the crown on the mic, works with some guys with psycology (again a guy like Lance and Dreamer would be ideal) and gets another finisher (one that's a bit safer, because you know Vince would not let him use that) I think he could do great things. I honestly think AJ is going to revolutionize the sport and guys like Petey will benefit.

Took

11-14-2004, 11:53 PM

Teddy Hart. Need I say more?

HeartBreakMan2k

11-14-2004, 11:54 PM

Teddy Hart. Need I say more?Yes. Most specificaly because he is not welcome in NWA:TNA, or ROH. He has a bad reputation, and I just haven't seen much that I like in him :p.

So I'd very much like to hear your opinion on him. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm just curious as to what you see in him. Just like I'm going to be curious as to everyone's reason regaurding everyone (sans Orton because he's just flat out being groomed for the spot).

Took

11-15-2004, 12:05 AM

OK, since you were curious and wanna know, I shall explain.

Teddy obviously can go in the ring. He provides the total package, of course some things need improvement upon, mainly being like a Hart and telling better stories in his matches and cutting down on the number of high flying attacks he uses per match. Once he settles down and stops trying to promote himself for just a wee bit, then maybe he'll get looked at again. I dont think his talent can be denied. He can work the mic, and he does have charisma to boot, so I'm thinking why not him? Just name recognition alone would set him apart slightly from some others who would like to break it in the big time.
Who knows, maybe even Bulldogs son Harry might get up there one day..he's already a stud at the age of what..16, 17??

mitch_h

11-15-2004, 12:24 AM

Apparently Mick Foley has been trying to get Samoa Joe in the WWE. I think that if he was a couple inches taller he could go somewhere. Although he would probably have to change his style a little bit.

Innovator

11-15-2004, 01:13 AM

Joe would be pretty sweet, I'd be awesome to see the Ole in the WWE

Shaner

11-15-2004, 09:43 AM

IMO the wrestlers who will be main eventers in the next 5-10 years (not people who will change the face of wrestling like undertaker, bret etc.) are -
WWE
Randy Orton (Awesome mic skills, very over as a face and heel, has a good gimmick - the legend killer - and has a good look and a lot of athletic ability)
Shelton Benjamin - (Starting to become very over as a face, very good ring presence, decent finisher, good Look)
Maven - a lot of people think Maven will make it in the wwe but given the right angles and opponents Maven could become a amin eventer or at least a high mid-card
Charlie Haas - (Starting to become very over with the crowd, a ton of athletic ability, a good ring presence)
Mark Jindrak (i think if hes character is built upon he could become a main eventer)

Loose Cannon

11-15-2004, 10:30 AM

Teddy Hart = Ratings boys.

Shaner

11-15-2004, 10:31 AM

Teddy Hart = Ratings boys.

DEFINATELY!

Ferocious

11-15-2004, 11:14 AM

Cena will be right up there with Orton if he gets a gimmick change or turns heel soon. the whiteboy rapper is pritty stale as of late, maybe this feud with Carlito can get him back on the right track.

Aussie Skier

11-15-2004, 08:40 PM

Orton will be a superstar. I dont like him all that much, but i can see that he will be big.
Cena - will obviously be massive, no doubt about it. We all love john
Benjamin, a month, i'd say no. I really dislike his ring work since moving to smackdown. However, he hada really top match against Christian (carried the match IMO) and i am slowly changing my opinion on him.
Maven, i'm not sure about. I like him, i think he has talent. However, other than a short run with al snow, he really hasnt had a mentor or anything like that. He needs to join a stable or something in order to really move to that next level.
Charlie haas - HOPE SO! He is the 3rd best wrestler in the WWE right now (behind benoit and Angle). However, I just know he wont be given a good chance, and therefore, i think its doubtful he'll become a main eventer.
Jinrak - HOPE NOT! He's hopeless. He's just a big hoss IMO...hope he gets fired, cos he's a hopeless heel.
Garrison Cade - I think something big is happening with Garrison Cade. he has been off WWE for ages now, so my guess is something is gonna happen with him (either that, or he'll be sacked). he is ok, nothing too special tho.
Batista - he has the goods.
Luther Reigns - I really like luther. I htink he has a good look about him, and will one-day be a really good wrestler.
CCC - he will be huge. has a good, smaller guy look to him, ala shawn michaels and has the history behind, ala rock and orton
ROB CONWAY - This guy is awesome! Has excellent moves, is in the top 10 best wrestlers in the WWE. he has been bred in slowly through the tag ranks, and i expect big things from him when they finally get him out of la res

Mr. Nerfect

11-16-2004, 01:32 AM

Randy Orton
No brainer. I think Orton should persoanlly be the guy starring in "The Marine". It would just suit him more, IMO. Anyway, I can see this guy being a real big star, and although I don't think he will draw people in, I think he will be the best glue they have. Orton's got a good finisher, an entrance theme and titantron that can related to him. If there is a new era, I think Orton will be one of the figureheads of it. I'm thinking maybe it will be something like a "youth" era, based aorund the stars tjay are the future today. I persoanlly hope it turns into something better than that, though.

Batista
Seriously, when they stop having Batista play the second role, he will be huge. They can push him as the monster, and really have him as a pure evil type character that will either be rapidly booed, or massively cheered. I seriosuly think Batista could become the best man over 300lbs that we've ever seen in the WWE if he continues improving.

Shelton Benjamin
Aint no stopping him. He's destined for greatness. If they let him use his innovation and mat skills, we will be a major player. SB can play the Stone Cold/The Rock style face, where he is build up as the major face of the company as a parallel to someone else (probably Orton, Cena or Haas). O rhe can play the heel that everyone hates, but noone can deny is good. I think this evolution of Benjamin could come as early as two years away.

John Cena
This guy could really be a draw. He can wrestle decently, and has already proven to be glue and charisma. If they have him cut heel promos, and have him as the "I don't give a f*ck" character, he will REALLY get over. They shouldn't push him as a face or a heel, they should just push him as John Cena, and have the fans choose whether or not they boo or cheer him heading into his feuds.

Gene Snitsky
There's just something about this guy. While he's no Chris Benoit, I would say he's decent in the ring, and he's entertaining on the mic. He can deliver a serious promo, but I can really see him getting over as a face with his mic skillls as well. GS is already gaining a lot of heat and credibility, much more than when Batista debuted in fact, and if he improves the same way as Batista wrestling-wise, we could see Snitsky become a real wreslting icon over the years.

Kane
I don't think he's done. I don't think he's even reached his peak. If they let him come back as a pure monster, and use his character for maybe a movie or something, we could really see Kane boom. They shouldn't be afraid to push Kane, and have him become an icon.

Then there's Maven, Charlie Haas, Triple H (in a non-wreslting role), Garrison Cade, The Big Show, Mark Jindrak, Luther Reigns, Paul London, Billy Kidman, Edge, Christian & Matt Hardy.

BlackDawn2024

11-16-2004, 02:01 AM

Orton, while the most obvious, is the person who I think will make the biggest splash. He's got good mic skills, he's improved substantially in the ring(when I first looked at him, I was somewhat underwhelmed), and his seven month reign as Intercontinental Champion has really earned his respect from me.

AJ Styles is also another definite one to watch. He's got a great look, he can wrestle with the best of them, and on a side-note, I love his entrance theme. :D

Shelton is another one. He's got a very bright future ahead of him. I see two or three Intercontinental Title reigns, then a world title run. I don't know why, but I can just see that in Shelton somewhere down the line.

Carlito I also think will be huge one day. I absolutely LOVE Carlito. Because, after all, he spits in the faces of people who don't want to be cool. And, damnit, that's just cool.

One that no one has mentioned is Christopher Daniels. I think Daniels is really going places. Once he gets out of his AMW/Triple X deal, I think he could be huge.

Mr. Nerfect

11-16-2004, 02:05 AM

How could I forget about Carlito & Jesus! :eek:

Dave Youell

11-16-2004, 07:42 AM

Dave Youell

11-16-2004, 07:50 AM

AJ Styles will never make it in the WWE, for these reasons:

1. He looks like a Cruiserweight:

If the company he works for now is pushing him in the X-Division why would Vince push him for the heavyweight belt? Yes i know AJ has been champ, but they obviously don't htink he has the goods as they pushed him down once they got a TV deal.

2. His Moveset:

The main reason everyone creams themselves over AJ is because he does unique and quite frankly dangerous moves, there's no chance in hell he'd be allowed to used 90% of the stuff he does now, thus making him look like an average worker

3. His history:

Vince doesn't like workers who arn't WWE through and through, in other words, look how long it took for Vince to finally give Eddie and Benoit the belts, they aint home grown and Vince has a habit of making people who are not home grown to look bad

4. He already said no to the WWE before:

Yes on a shitty development deal, but he still said no. You can bet your ass that they wont forget that.

I really Like AJ and think he's a tremendous talent, but he wouldn't stand a chance in a bigger pond

Aussie Skier

11-16-2004, 09:59 AM

Yes on a shitty development deal, but he still said no. You can bet your ass that they wont forget that.

I really Like AJ and think he's a tremendous talent, but he wouldn't stand a chance in a bigger pond

disagree with this...think about it.
WWE hired back Sid after he had kicked out of hogan's leg drop (i believe). Granted, they were in a tough spot but still...thats something.

WWE hired back Hogan, after he testified against Vince and said he'd never wrestle for another promotion, then turned up in WCW.

WWE hired back Hall, Nash, Scott Steiner and Ric Flair.

AND MOST OF ALL, WWE hired ERIC BISCHOFF

Dave Youell

11-16-2004, 11:02 AM

disagree with this...think about it.
WWE hired back Sid after he had kicked out of hogan's leg drop (i believe). Granted, they were in a tough spot but still...thats something.

WWE hired back Hogan, after he testified against Vince and said he'd never wrestle for another promotion, then turned up in WCW.

WWE hired back Hall, Nash, Scott Steiner and Ric Flair.

AND MOST OF ALL, WWE hired ERIC BISCHOFF
All of the people you mentioned were/are already big established names.

Hogan is a given, anyone would have brought back Hogan, he's ratings

he brought in Hall and Nash only for the NWO, look what happened after the NWO failed, Hall got Fired, they tried to push Nash he got injured and then they let him go

Steiner hardly had a great last run, they main eventing at first because he was someone who the masses would recognise, then after 2 months was in mid card hell till his release.

OK, i'll give you Flair, he was used well since his re-return, but again it's mainly due to the fact that he's someone the average fan knows

All of the above are guys who the average fan would know of, the average WWE fan has no knowledge of AJ Styles, thus he would get treated like Paul London is right now

mitch_h

11-16-2004, 02:37 PM

a bit

A BIT!

Yea I mean all he would have to do is eliminate his chops, kicks, and suplexes. :shifty:

Loose Cannon

11-16-2004, 05:07 PM

BigDaddyCool

11-16-2004, 05:42 PM

All of the above are guys who the average fan would know of, the average WWE fan has no knowledge of AJ Styles, thus he would get treated like Paul London is right now

Who is Paul London?

John la Rock

11-16-2004, 05:50 PM

All of the people you mentioned were/are already big established names.

Hogan is a given, anyone would have brought back Hogan, he's ratings

he brought in Hall and Nash only for the NWO, look what happened after the NWO failed, Hall got Fired, they tried to push Nash he got injured and then they let him go

Steiner hardly had a great last run, they main eventing at first because he was someone who the masses would recognise, then after 2 months was in mid card hell till his release.

OK, i'll give you Flair, he was used well since his re-return, but again it's mainly due to the fact that he's someone the average fan knows

All of the above are guys who the average fan would know of, the average WWE fan has no knowledge of AJ Styles, thus he would get treated like Paul London is right now

:y:

AJ Styles won't amount to anything in WWE

John la Rock

11-16-2004, 05:51 PM

Anyways I say...

Randy Orton, John Cena, and Carlito Carribean Cool are the next Rock, Austin and HHH

11-16-2004, 06:01 PM

If the WWE did decide to take a shot on AJ and let him do what he can then he would definetly become a big time star. But the obvious ones around right now are Orton, Cena, like someone said Kane isn't finished quite yet and Shelton Benjamin.

BlackDawn2024

11-16-2004, 11:08 PM

Yeah, if AJ was given a shot at the WWE, allowed to use every one of his moves he uses in TNA now, he's be fucking huge. However, he would probably fall the way of RVD. Be picked up, sent to Raw, be watered down and only be able to use three of his moves and hit maybe TWO of his current spots. Vince would probably be timid about the Clash(although didn't someone use it in the WWE before, not sure) and the Peilei(SP?).

CosaNostra

11-17-2004, 12:37 AM

I'm looking forward to seeing if Mohammed Assad can hang with the above groups.

Aussie Skier

11-17-2004, 10:03 PM

Who is Paul London?

I guess he's some hoss otherwise the WWE would never have hired him :shifty:
;)

Dave Youell

11-18-2004, 05:17 AM

Who is Paul London?
Exactlly

Dave Youell

11-18-2004, 05:19 AM

Anyways I say...

Randy Orton, John Cena, and Carlito Carribean Cool are the next Rock, Austin and HHH
No they will be the next Randy Orton, John Cena, and Carlito Carribean Cool

Rock, Austin and HHH wern't the Hogan, Warrior and Savage were they?

If everyone tries to compare them to older talent they aint gonan get anywhere

Dave Youell

11-18-2004, 05:21 AM

the_rock's_#1_fan

11-18-2004, 02:55 PM

I'm surprised no one has said yet that RVD will become enormously more of a success than he is now. He has had a push as RAW IC champ, why not have him get a hold on the US championship sometime next year, and slowly build him up to the point where he eventually wins the first WWE championship of his WWE career, probably sometime in late '05 or early-to-mid '06.

BlackDawn2024

11-19-2004, 12:16 AM

Yeah Crash Holly used to use it

Ah, thanks. :y:

John la Rock

11-19-2004, 01:15 AM

No they will be the next Randy Orton, John Cena, and Carlito Carribean Cool

Rock, Austin and HHH wern't the Hogan, Warrior and Savage were they?

If everyone tries to compare them to older talent they aint gonan get anywhere

No you dick

I'm saying that they will be AS BIG as Rock, Austin and HHH were in their prime

Dave Youell

11-19-2004, 03:23 AM

No you dick

I'm saying that they will be AS BIG as Rock, Austin and HHH were in their prime
:y: Hey thanks for the pointless name calling

HeartBreakMan2k

11-19-2004, 08:58 PM

:y: Hey thanks for the pointless name calling
Agreed. Anyway Dave, I see your point about AJ. What I'm saying about him though, is that while maybe he won't be the next Rock or whatever, I feel as though he'll change what people want in a wrestler. Just based on the fact that when he does work with heavyweights and in Japan, he shows that he's well versed in ground wrestling, he's an amazing athlete, has an amazing mind for creating innovative moves, and when he's carried right, he has great psycology. Obviously, he's going to have to learn to carry the psycology in his own matches rather than relying on guys like Double J and Raven, but he does have "it". He's no longer one of those people who "have potential", he's finally broke through.

If he gets a shot in WWE, he'll create himself an instant market for merchandise and a good booker will note that and book him accordingly.

I will agree that maybe calling him the next superstar is a bit much, being that the only way to be a superstar right now is with Vince.