Dumbass Detroit Fans

[Bad Guy]

Ben Wallace and Ron Artest got into a fight and then after that Artest was laying down and some motherfuckers threw shit on Ron Artest like that, Artest sprints up the stands and punches the hell out of him, the whole fight moved INTO the stands.

ESPN right now.

[Bad Guy]

Fucking disgraceful ass motherfuckers. Dripping shit all over everyone as they leave.. the game has a minute left to go and referees have canceled the rest of the game.

[Apprentice]

haha. i just made a thread too. Man. That was some crazy stuff right there. That piston fan was totally stupid for doing that, but man. Artest was getting way too physical. I wouldn't be surprised if charges are fully pressed.

[Loose Cannon]

holy shit. This stuff with the fans interfering with the game is happening a lot these days.

[Bad Guy]

Everyone was going at everyone. I saw Artest going after the fan that started it all, I saw fans throwing punches at players, I saw fans throwing punches at fellow fans, I saw (think it was O'Neal) shoving an old white bald guy.

[Loose Cannon]

Artest was getting way too physical. pressed.

WOW, totally disagree with that. If someone throws stuff at me during a game, I do the same thing. That's assault.

[DaveWadding]

I bet it was splaya who threw the bottle.

[Loose Cannon]

Nah, Splaya cowered underneath the seats

[Apprentice]

I can see your point. At first, I didnt' know the fan threw anything at him. But I duno. I still think Artest and especially Stephen Jackson went over the line. Jackson was punching like multiple fans or something.

Remember, everyone thought Milton Bradley went over the line when a bottle was thrown at him and he just threw the bottle at the ground. Artest and jackson just physically assaulted multiple fans.

[DaveWadding]

Nah, Splaya cowered underneath the seats
You're right...I give him too much credit :nono:

[Loose Cannon]

Wadding, Suns are up on the Lakes right now :cool:

Anyway, just saw the whole thing and that was just disgusting watching all those fans throw stuff at Artest when he was leaving.

[Kris P Lettus]

ahahahahahahahahaha

DETROIT WHAT

I just got home from work, cracked a beer, and turned to ESPN just in time to see the remenence of what happened..

Shitty fans..

But LMFAO at the gigantic black dude throwing hella punches..

Pretty shitty in general, though.. If they have to get more security due to this, it'll only make ticket prices higher than they already are..

:mad:

[Loose Cannon]

Wow, WTF at Wallace. Way out of line


Not to get off topic, but you guys saw the first guy Artest went after right? Well the guy next to him has this blue button up Pistons shirt on that has "Wallace" on the back. What is that called and where do I get something like that? Been wanting a shirt like that. Not Pistons though.

[el fregadero]

It was my boy Ben Wallace that caused it all, he was barely fouled by Artest and he had to push him.

[el fregadero]

The warm-up outfits?

[BCWWF]

Hahahahah, I just saw it. Thats hilarious. The guy was still talking shit and then Ron kept going and all of a sudden his face turned to "holy shit" and he was brought down. The cup hit him in the fucking face! Of course he's going to do something! I guarantee he gets something severe because it was Ron Artest. And the foul wasn't even bad, WTF was Ben Wallace thinking? I rely on him for fantasy points.

[Loose Cannon]

yea, it was the warmup, but it was eathier a throwback Mitchell and Ness one or a different throwback one because it had the old school Pistons logo on it.

[Bad Guy]

http://img119.exs.cx/img119/5227/eh3.jpg

Fan: Uh-Oh.

[el fregadero]

LOL

[DaveWadding]

yea, it was the warmup, but it was eathier a throwback Mitchell and Ness one or a different throwback one because it had the old school Pistons logo on it.
most likely a Nike one.

[Loose Cannon]

yea probably cause it had Wallace on the back. BTW, the guy whom I'm talking about has his hands on Artest in that pic.

[Kris P Lettus]

Damn, they just showed more footage than I originally saw..

Artest knocked some fat dude the fuck out..

*****

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL O'Neil fucking laid some guy out HOLY SHIT

hahahah thats fuckin hilarious, everybody is gonna make a huge ass deal out of this now. So stupid, it was just a fight, big deal. Fights happen all the time, get over it.

[Crimson]

O'neal was the guy I think, he knocked some fat guy in a blue jersey on the court. Damn That was some crazy footage. I can see how the fans got caught up but it got way out of hand.

[Crimson]

LOL O'Neil fucking laid some guy out HOLY SHIT

hahahah thats fuckin hilarious, everybody is gonna make a huge ass deal out of this now. So stupid, it was just a fight, big deal. Fights happen all the time, get over it.


WHAT

This wasn't just some fight, it was a fuckin brawl. Of course it should be a big deal.

[Crimson]

Some guy started punching Artest in the back of the head on the stands too..lol damn. Then Stephen Jackson came over and punched him. Those fans deserved to get their ass kicked.

[Kid Robb]

Nothing should happen to Artest over it. If anyone on the Pacers gets a fine or suspension it'll be Stephen Jackson, he was halfway up the stand throwing punches. Can't blame any of the Pacers guys though, I mean someone picks Artest and he goes after the guy, fair enough, but when people who were "holding back" Artest start punching him in the back of the head what do you expect.

The Pistons players (or perhaps moreso the guys who were holding them back) were smart, if Wallace and Wallace had got involved in the stands it could have got even more ugly.

Tinsley was the one who belted someguy on the court trying to hold him back, just when JO came over to jump over the bench to get involved.

Players getting sprayed with shit like that, fans picking fights and invading the courts, one of the worst spectator incidents I've ever seen I reckon. The Pacers guys are lucky no one got badly hurt.

Just quietly am I the only one that reckons Stephen Jackson looks stupid with his headband like that?

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL O'Neil fucking laid some guy out HOLY SHIT

Yer

On second look it was ONeil..

[Kris P Lettus]

Why would you start a fight with a 6'10" athlete anyway??

What f'n morons??

[DaveWadding]

one of the worst spectator incidents I've ever seen I reckon.
And you're Aussie, you're no stranger to rioting. :D

[Loose Cannon]

:y:

http://i5.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/95/84/6d_1.JPG

[Bad Guy]

YEEEEEEAH

[Crimson]

I think I have the footage now memorized with the amount of times I've watched it. Hopefeully charges come on that idiot Piston fan in the blue jersey.

[RP]

Being from Indiana. I'm not sure what to think.

On one hand i sit here a pump my chest thinking fuck yah. Serves them Moronic Detroit Pistons fans right getting there ass's kicked in the stands for that BS ( and it wasnt just that one moron either. See the footage of them being escorted out ) Those morons where pretty much just pouring there drinks out on the players as they where walking through the ramp. Tinsley had a frigging broom in his hands .
( BTW it wasnt tinsley that nailed that guy in the res. It was Oneil. I have a feeling Jermained could be gone for atleast 10 games.)

On the other hand we've been playing with a 9 man roster as it is. Now we may be playing multiple games without Artest, Oneil, and Jackson. Ironically i think Artest is the one that shouldnt be punished. He barely fouled Wallace. Wallce lost control and Artest was basically not wanting to fight. Even after it was broken up Wallace Through a towel at him. Artest was defending himself period. Though he will probably get the most punishment cause its Ron Artest .

I cant wait for CHristmas Day.

[BCWWF]

Top 3 Hits:
3. Artests pop on the Mexican guy on the court

2. Jacksons clubbing of the fan in the stands

1. Jermaine's full body jack to the face of the fat Mexican on the court

[Corkscrewed]

ECW!!! ECW!!! ECW!!!

:D

That was insane. I heard that Vince signed Jermaine O'Neal to a development contract. :lol: That punch was just SICK. Fan getting held back, comes back forward, and BAM into the guy's jaw. Fucking hilarious.

This was pretty disgraceful all around, both on the fans' part and on Artest and Jackson a bit (not as much).

We'll see a plethora of lawsuits.

[SammyG]

That was the craziest fight ever!! do u think jermaine and ron are gonna get sued? Hey, at least Artest can promote his rap album now, he'll have more than 2 weeks to do that! :D

[Corkscrewed]

Top 3 Hits:
3. Artests pop on the Mexican guy on the court

2. Jacksons clubbing of the fan in the stands

1. Jermaine's full body jack to the face of the fat Mexican on the court

Agreed.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

O'Neil fucked that kid up

Oh well don't come on the court next time, fat fuck

[Bad Guy]

Oh well don't come on the court next time, fat fuck
:lol: :y:

[Bad Guy]

Well the guy next to him has this blue button up Pistons shirt on that has "Wallace" on the back.
I think ESPN just said that the guy wearing that very shirt is the one that really threw the beer, and the guy Artest attacked was not the guy. Not sure but I think that's what they said.

[Apprentice]

yea, thats what they said. Too bad for him. THat guy in the hat is such a bastard. Even when he was trying to restrain artest, he then started punching him the back of the head.

[Corkscrewed]

^ That's what I heard as well.

[RP]

The look on that guy's face as Artest was steam rolling towards him was priceless.

[Bad Guy]

Now Ron Artest is saying it was self defense. Don't get me wrong or anything, I agree with what Ron did cause anyone that throws anything at anyone is going to get what is coming to him. But to say that it was self-defense is stupid. He didn't HAVE to go up there. And a cup of beer is certainly not lethal.

[DaveWadding]

and someone threw a chair. :|

[Apprentice]

I felt sorry for that old woman at the bottom of one of the piles. Thats exactly what you want when you go to a Pistons game. To be at the bottom of a mosh pit fight.


http://www.detnews.com/pix/2004/11/20/sports/pistonspacers/3.jpg

[Triple A]

LMAO YESSSSSS THAT WAS THE GREATEST SHIT I HAVE EVER SEEN.

LOL when that fucking fucking fucking scumbag piece of garbage fan came down and tried to get in Artest's face and Artest fucking snuffed the shit out of him. Classic. :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/motion/showcase/index?videos=1927343 FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

[blueskies]

I thought the announcer said that Artest knew who was the one that threw the beer and bottle at him and went after him.

[Excellance of Execution]

First off, i was watching the game on ESPN and IMO Ron Artest was laying on his back looking up and didn't even see who threw the beer at him. He then went up into the stands and BLINDLY picks a fight with a fan who he "THINKS" threw the beer. Under no circumstance should a player/athelete go into the stands no matter what the situation. As for the fans who went on the court, they got what they deserved. If i was a fan in the stands and an athelete came at me, i would defend myself (who wouldn't), even moreso if i had my children with me. It will be interesting to see how this sort's out, but IMO it's up to the athelete to be above the fan's, unless of course the fan's come on the court or physically provoke an athelete first (i'm talking about a punch or shove not throwing a beer).

[blueskies]

Well, I've just seen it being shown over an dover on ESPN. And what I think Artest did, was got to the guy that was still taunting him as he head toward the fans. Plus he probably saw the guy walked off as he sat up, so assumed it was him.

[Splaya]

Ok Since I'm the resident Piston fan I'm assuming you guys want my opinion.


First of all shame on everyone of those fans that were doing that shit. Absolutely uncalled for. The biggest thing ESPN talked about was that there were little kids in the stands crying and all that.

With all the great things that happened in the NBA last night (Wade's FG as time expired, Kobe's Triple Double) ESPN has to devote their entire show to this.

Stephen A Smith said it perfectly "It does not matter what happens, your a professional athlete, you need to be higher above this." Look, I know Artest is a hot head and if I had been in his situation I probably would have done the same thing, and in a way no matter how much I hate Artest, he had a minor right to get in those stands. But Stephen Jackson needs to be suspended, minimum, 10 games. He could have gone into the stands and got Artest out, but he decided to hit a fan. Kinda shitty on his part.

The lawsuits that are going to come out of this thing are going to be sick. Artest better hope his record company takes off because he is about to get smacked with lawsuits. Stephen Jackson as well.

Getting back to the fans, I have never been more disapointed with a group of people in my life. Getting on the court was ridiculous. But where that is said, Artest should not have been on the Announce table. That was what was pissing off the Detroit fans, because he is acting like a hot shot after causing that altercation. He's trying to be a smart ass. That's just saying, "Hey attack me". Artest attacking the fan that first came on the court was ridiculous. Artest could have walked away but no. Why do that. Then Jermaine O Neal's attack on the fan was ridiculous as well.

In Conclusion, I'm not ashamed to be a Pistons fan, I'm ashamed to being a fan with all those Pistons fans. The suspensions are going to be sick, too.

Prediction for suspensions

Ben Wallace: 2 games. It looked like a hard foul but because it was unnecessary. 45.6 seconds left, and your not going to win a basketball game so why foul him. Artest did not even make an attempt for the ball. Regardless, Wallace is a lot more calmer than that, and it was just that the Pistons were losing so bad that was causing him to get upset. Remember, Wallace is still getting over the death of his brother.

Ron Artest: 12-15 games. I've said all I'm going to say on Artest. Nothing more needs to be said.

Stephen Jackson: 10-15 games. He is an idiot for jumping into the stands and going after fans, not helping Artest.

Fred Jones: 4-6 games. He jumped into the stands and was trying to fight as well.

Jermaine O neal: 5-10 games. For that single sucker punch on the fan that was on the court. O neal did not have to do that.

Rasheed Wallace: 1-2 games for possibly jumping into the stands.

I'm not ganging up on Pacers at all. Do not even say that. I'm just saying what needs to be said. Don't say I'm being biased towards my team either. I realize that it was my hometown of fans that were doing this. But I can't exactly say that the Pistons would have been doing this had it been in Indiana. The fans went after the wrong guy.

Breakdown:

50% the fans fault
10% Wallace's fault
40% The Pacer's (not just Artest) fault

I'm going to a wedding all day today, but I will argue every point that is made after I get home tonight.

But I just want to say that I am not ashamed of the Pistons, just the group of fans I am now associated with.

[Crimson]

Top 3 Hits:
3. Artests pop on the Mexican guy on the court

2. Jacksons clubbing of the fan in the stands

1. Jermaine's full body jack to the face of the fat Mexican on the court

How do you know the guy wasn't Italian? Did you know him?

And the number one knock out was O'neal's he just clocked that fat bastard.
Some fat black guy got some mad shots on Fred Jones too, Jones didn't go after him, probably the only player with a loss.

[Loose Cannon]

I 100% agree with Artest that it was self-defense. What is he just going to continue laying there as someone else could of thrown something at him? He did what anybody else would of done under those circumtances. I mean people were throwing chairs for god sakes. IMO, Artest should get nothing. It was assault and he acted to defend himself.

Wallace was totally out of line there. He should get some games DEF. Jackson shouldn't of been in the stands cause nothing was thrown at him, but he was just helping his teamate take on a couple of fans.

O'Neil fucked that dude up :lol:

[Loose Cannon]

LOL, Splaya nice way to be totally biased there. Yeah, 50% fans fault. Try again. More like 85% fans fault.

[The Miz]

Ok Since I'm the resident Piston fan I'm assuming you guys want my opinion.
LOL good one

[Loose Cannon]

And more like 15% security's fault.

[Ninti the Mad]

LOL that was one of those most hilarious things ever.

Idiot fans.

Haha Germaine f'ing that guy up in the face.

[BCWWF]

In Splayas defense, I am almost positive that if this happened at a Timberwolves game I would be saying it wasn't that big of a deal. I hope I never have to though.

[Loose Cannon]

In Splayas defense, I am almost positive that if this happened at a Timberwolves game I would be saying it wasn't that big of a deal. I hope I never have to though.

Well you just proved how biased most of us are towards our home teams. It's hard not to be.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

This is gonna be talked about for weeks, I really think everyone is over reacting. A few dickbag fans had to ruin it for everyone, and they got what they deserved. I think the NBA should just try to brush this under the rug and move on. I personally don't think this will hurt in the NBA in anyway either.

LOL@Splaya in this thread tho...hilarious

[The Outlaw]

Splaya, I somehow believe that you were that little fat kid that was crying cause his daddy went after Fred Jones.

Everyone's saying they should be higher than that and above attacking fans. Look, fans heckle like hell. That is all fine and dandy. But when they try to get physically involved, no, can't do it. I've actually had something similar happen to me at a high school game, and while it's not the same (nowhere close actually), I can say that I would have done the same thing (and I've done the same thing in said situation). Stephen Jackson would be the only guy I would look at suspending for more than a few games. While what he did to the one fan in the crowd was in defense for his teamate, he was hopping around wanting to fight and just acting like a moron, but it was slightly entertaining. Anyone see him back down from Sheed and Ben and then try to go after...Lindsey Hunter? LOL Hunter is an old man and Jackson's hopping around and taking his jersey off wanting to fight him. Pussy

Artest is a smart guy. He wasn't going to mess with Big Ben. Would anyone want to mess with Ben? Don't think ao.

As far as Artest being out of line. Hey, he was trying to stay out of it. Laying on the press box, yeah, a little much, but the old Artest would have been throwing punches at Pistons players and causing all kinds of hell.

But, LOL @ Stephen Jackson and JNeil. Didn't know they could throw a punch like that.

[Apprentice]

Why is everyone spelling Jermaine O'Neal's name wrong... :shifty:

[loopydate]

I'll preface this by saying I'm a Pistons fan, but I'm going to say this with as little bias as I possibly can.

How things should have gone: Artest fouls Wallace harder than necessary for the lead the Pacers had and the amount of time left. Wallace shoves back, and everyone gets separated. Artest goes and lays down on the table like a jackass. Idiot fan throws beer on Artest. Idiot fan is escorted out of arena. The end.

You can't tell me that what Artest did was self-defense. When Yankee fans were throwing shit onto the field during the ALCS, did Ortiz go up into the crowd and start randomly punching out fans in pinstripes? No. The police came out, and the troublemakers were dealt with.

Artest went waaaaaaaaaaaay over the line last night. You get up, you point out the fan that threw the beer (he was wrong about who threw it anyway. He punched out the wrong guy), and let security and the Auburn Hills Police Department handle things.

That said, the fans that were throwing punches crossed the line, too. I can understand trying to hold him back to protect the fan who happened to be sitting close to the source of the beer, but you don't start punching somebody in the back of the head. You hold his arms back and let somebody with some authority take charge.

Jackson went too far. Like someone said, it would have been all right if he had just gone up to pull Artest out of the crowd, but when he starts throwing haymakers, of course it's going to escalate.

The fans dumping shit on the Pacers as they went back to their locker room was uncalled for, too. Yes, emotions were running high, but that's still a jackass thing to do.

The one Pacer-on-fan bit of violence that I feel is absolutely, totally acceptable is the fan that got punked out when he got onto the court. That was self-defense.

This was an ugly situation, and, yes, the Pistons started it, but the riot is Ron Artest's fault. So you got beer thrown on you. Big fucking deal. Maybe if you'd gone to your bench like a normal player, you wouldn't have pissed off that fan. Granted, the fan shouldn't have thrown his beer, but there is absolutely no fucking reason why you get up and enter the crowd.

I hope Artest and Jackson miss weeks of basketball for this. Wallace should miss a couple of games for starting the on-court fight. If the fan that threw the beer is a season-ticket holder, he shouldn't be anymore.

Anyway, that's my opinion on all this.

[Loose Cannon]

I know your a Pistons fan and all, but how that was a "hard" foul I will never see. I've seen and been a part of many other fouls that were 50x worse then that. The ref even said to Artest that it wasn't a flagrant or a Tech. Wallace just about defined the term "overreaction" with that.


If you call Artest a jackass, you have to call Wallace one as well.

And Artest didn't just get hit with beer, he got hit with ice as well. I don't know how someone is suppossed to just sit there and be a human target. I know walking away would be the right thing to do, but if some punk fan thinks he's cool by throwing something on me, he's not getting away with it. And that's probably the same way Artest felt.

[Loose Cannon]

Oh and Wallace, Artest, Jackson and O'Neal all got Suspended

[loopydate]

The hardness of the foul is far from the point, though. Yes, Wallace overreacted. And, yes, it was a jackass thing to do. Although, to be fair, this is the first time I can recall Wallace doing something this outrageous. Artest on the other hand...

But I don't care if there was semen in the cup, you don't go into the crowd. That's what security is there for. You go to the locker room and take a shower and suit up to play tomorrow.

And the "punk fan" wouldn't have gotten away with it. Like I said, that's why there's security at the arena. The fan crosses the line like that, he gets hauled away. His seatmates shouldn't have to worry about a 6'10" 246-pound man assaulting them.

[loopydate]

Oh and Wallace, Artest, Jackson and O'Neal all got Suspended
As well they should have. Good for the NBA making a swift decision.

Any idea how long?

[Loose Cannon]

Okay, fair enough. Yeah, I think the security fucked up a little. If they were smart, they would have been around Artest right away to prevent him from doing anything stupid and to protect him from some rowdy fans.

No, they said Indef.

[loopydate]

Good call by the NBA.

This way, they can review all the footage before making a decision, but nobody in any other cities will be gunning for these guys.

[The Outlaw]

" Man, there are going to be some lawsuits. You don't think some of those fans aren't going to want some NBA money? " — Suns guard Quentin Richardson, after seeing the brawl on TV

" Just think about what it takes for NBA players to go into a crowd. Sometimes fans get kind of out of hand, but it must have taken a lot for NBA players to go into a crowd and start a fight. " — Lakers forward Lamar Odom

[The Outlaw]

Also they asked Shaq about it and he said he would have done the same thing.

[Crimson]

If big Shaq starts charging towards me I'm running to my mommy

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If big Shaq starts charging towards me I'm running to my mommy
just hide behind Brad Miller

[The Miz]

lol Supreme

[RP]

First of all let me say that i'm a Pacers fan and i'm about to be as biased as i can possibly be.

Wallace is a fucking jackass. Artest fouled him a little hard cause he didnt want him to make a easy bucket. Artest put his hand out to say my bad but Wallace wasnt having any of it cause he had already been planning to go off on Artest as soon as he crossed him wrong. Wallace new Artest was on a thin line and he conquered the oppurtunity to push Ron over the edge. Artest backed away and layed on the table where Reggie Miller held him down so that he would not do anything stupid. But Mr Wallace or as you call him " Big Ben "( I'll just call him Suspect 0) wasnt done. Instead of letting cooler heads prevaile he went the extra step and decided to throw things at Artest. ( The Towel!!!)

At this point , drunk morons were in the process of guzzling down there 14th and 15th Blue Ribbons, thinking damn we got get involved in dis der old shibang! Moron number one see's Suspect 0 throw a towel at Artest. Moron number 1 proceeds chuck his beer at Artest thinking damn "Big Ben" did it.. We can too! Little did he know Artest is was crazy mother fucker and would come up there and wreck his shit .

BTW i dont care if it was the wrong guy or not. I personally think it was the right guy because the other guy had his hands in his pockets like he didnt do anything. Also , Artest was staring right at them. I just saw the video and he clearly turned his head as if bracing him self for the cup cause he saw it coming and thrown. That being said the guy was celebrating and he got fucked up. And Artest turned around and decked the other guy too, and Jackson came up there and dotted that fuck that threw coke in Artest's face. Jermain and Artest decking those fat fucks who came on the court flexing up. All and all i'd say Detroit got knocked the Fuck out! Plus you lost the game by 15 points.

Dont blame Indiana. Blame "Big Ben".

Predictions on suspensions

Artest : 2 games
Jackson : 5 games
O'neal: 1 games
Wallace: 10 games ( as one of your sports writers said on espn. " 5 for starting the fight and instegating it the whole time. 5 for the moronic Detroit fans )

biased bishes

[Took]

..Artest is a thug. He got hit by a plastic beer cup..this whole melee gets started due to a fucking beer cup. Now sure, the fans have no right to throw anything at the players or anyone else for that matter, but the fan would have been caught and barred from the building or something thereafter. Artest was trying to promote his street cred thuggery, probably due to his rap album and shit. This guy is brainless, and you know many of the trash that come from queensbridge are exactly that. Him and his buddy are thugs, trying to be macho. mean give me a break, you're a pro, act like one. You're gonna get all furious over that? These guys douse themselves with water and shit..the fan was like her ron, "cool off"..lol.
But yeah, he acted totally immature in that way, and the dumbass fucker couldnt even get the right guy who actually threw the cup. Which proves he was just looking for some sort of trouble and attention. When you see old ladies trampled on the ground, and small kids crying and shit just cuz they came to see a basketball game, it tells you something. Also this further proves that human beings on a whole are fucked and pretty over-rated intelligence wise when these sorts of things happen. We all hate war and shit but we dont mind seeing people beat the shit out of other people. And for dumb reasons to boot.

[RP]

That old lady was trampled to the ground because stupid detroit piston fans where climbing over eachother to empty there beverages out on top of the heads of pacer players. Classy to say the least.

[loopydate]

That old lady was trampled to the ground because stupid detroit piston fans where climbing over eachother to empty there beverages out on top of the heads of pacer players. Classy to say the least.
That wasn't classy at all. Those fans were jackasses, and I hope the old woman presses charges.

Of course, the 6'10" 246-pound guy punching out an innocent bystander wasn't very classy, either. Or his 6'8" 218-pound teammate throwing punches at anything that moved.

[The Outlaw]

Innocent bystander? Come on, he was charging at Artest and made the motion like he was winding up to throw a punch.

[Loose Cannon]

I felt sorry for that old woman at the bottom of one of the piles. Thats exactly what you want when you go to a Pistons game. To be at the bottom of a mosh pit fight.


http://www.detnews.com/pix/2004/11/20/sports/pistonspacers/3.jpg

LMAO, Didn't even see this before. So many things going on in the picture, people down on the ground, camera guys fighting, fights in the corner, woman getting anal.

[Took]

Basketball fights are still as pansyish as all hell though. Sucker punches everywhere, macho chest beating. What fags.

This was Detroit..what a step down from Bob Probert vs anybody to the chump artest against a few losers.

[Triple A]

That wasn't classy at all. Those fans were jackasses, and I hope the old woman presses charges.

Of course, the 6'10" 246-pound guy punching out an innocent bystander wasn't very classy, either. Or his 6'8" 218-pound teammate throwing punches at anything that moved.
LOL "innocent bystander".

[YOUR Hero]

Suspended 4 players; Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson of Indiana and Detroit's Ben Wallace indefinitely

[The Icon of Elisim]

NBA has to give these guys big suspensions just cause there is way too much publicity. IMO Wallace should get 1, O'Neal 2, Artest 5 and Jackson 15.

But it'll be a lot more since this is getting so much attention. Wallace will get 2, O'Neal 7, Artest 10 and Jackson 15

[Supreme Olajuwon]

O'Neal shouldn't get suspended. How can you punish a punch that beautiful

[Kid Robb]

Artest picked the guy that was laughing the most. Turns out it was the guy who pulled him off (in the white cap - began suckerpunching him from behind) who did it. Artest never punched the first guy he grabbed, he grabbed the guy forcefully and asked if he did it, he said no, by the time that happened the 2nd guy pulled him off and that's when Artest got involved in punching. In the meantime Stephen Jackson came flying over the top to take out the fan coming over to help the one Artest had.

Going by the foxsports reports that appears to be how it happened.

Regardless, looks like the NBA will just come down hard on the four players and not so much on the Pistons or their fans. Tell me if you were in Artest's position you wouldn't take offence at having shit thrown at you. I would have jumped into the stands too.

[The Answer]

Some of these suspension predictions are rediculous.

Artest may be gone for the rest of the year

Jackson I see getting most of the year

Oneal I can see getting 30 games plus I think that guy he knocked out had to go to the hospital.Watch the vid again artest and that dude's friend maybe brother got into a fight with artest all that dude did was hold artest.Then he got punched by a coach and Oneal sucker punched him out of no where,They should not have been on the court but still.

Wallace gets 5 games because all he did was shove artest.

If Bertuzzi got like 30 games like last year in hockey for that assualt on Moore.The Nba will make an example out of these three excluding Wallace

[The Answer]

O'Neal shouldn't get suspended. How can you punish a punch that beautiful

You never would have noticed he slipped.Imagine if he hadn't damn :eek:

[Kid Robb]

Out of interest, are the Pacers only suiting up 6 guys against the Magic?

What's wrong with Jamaal Tinsley?

[Triple A]

Some of these suspension predictions are rediculous.

Artest may be gone for the rest of the year

Jackson I see getting most of the year

Oneal I can see getting 30 games plus I think that guy he knocked out had to go to the hospital.Watch the vid again artest and that dude's friend maybe brother got into a fight with artest all that dude did was hold artest.Then he got punched by a coach and Oneal sucker punched him out of no where,They should not have been on the court but still.

Wallace gets 5 games because all he did was shove artest.

If Bertuzzi got like 30 games like last year in hockey for that assualt on Moore.The Nba will make an example out of these three excluding Wallace

Artest and Jackson for the rest of the year??? Get the fuck out of here.

[Triple A]

Out of interest, are the Pacers only suiting up 6 guys against the Magic?

What's wrong with Jamaal Tinsley?
Fuck, maybe he got suspended too. When they were going back the locker room, he came out with a dust pan and was about to hit some fans with it but they took him away.

Both Tinsley and Jackson are on my fantasy team. :rant:

[Apprentice]

The Pacers starting five today looks even worse than the Bobcats... yet they are hanging with Orlando. Very impressive.

[The Answer]

Artest and Jackson for the rest of the year??? Get the fuck out of here.

Oh definetely Artest is a repeat offender.And Rudy T once got punched by a player forgot his first name.It was like something washington but anyway he got 50 games so you can imagine the suspensions for going into the stands and knocking fans out.

[Apprentice]

http://www.indystar.com/users/multimedia/galleries/2004/11/melee20/0.JPG

http://www.indystar.com/users/multimedia/galleries/2004/11/melee20/2.JPG

These guys got punk'd.

[The Answer]

Here's an example for you wrestling wise.When Bill goldberg turned heel at one of the PPV he was pelted with beer's and all kinds of stuff.Did he go attack fans? No.So artest gets hit with one beer and WW3 breaks out that's beyond pathetic :n:

[Triple A]

DeadManWalkin, you are a fucking idiot.

Punching a coach is completely different than being in a brawl and then being hit by a piece of shit fan who thinks he can get away with it.

And NEWSFLASH: Wrestling isn't the same shit as the NBA. NBA players aren't used to having shit thrown on them on the court.

[loopydate]

Innocent bystander? Come on, he was charging at Artest and made the motion like he was winding up to throw a punch.
Not the first guy. The first guy was just standing there, mortified, 'cause the guy next to him had thrown beer all over Artest, but here comes this big freak at him with his hands up.

The guy on the court deserved to get decked, but the first guy in the stands was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[loopydate]

DeadManWalkin, you are a fucking idiot.

Punching a coach is completely different than being in a brawl and then being hit by a piece of shit fan who thinks he can get away with it.

And NEWSFLASH: Wrestling isn't the same shit as the NBA. NBA players aren't used to having shit thrown on them on the court.
The Rudy T situation was when he was a player. He got into an altercation with Kermit Washington, then walked away. Washington came running up while Tomjanovich's back was turned and punched him in the back of the head. He lost something like 28 games for that. I don't remember the exact number.

[Took]

Artest is a bitch..wanted no part of wallace on the court, as he's too big..but he has no trouble going after smaller fans eh. What a pussy.

[DegenerationY]

Didn't that punch shatter Rudy T's face?

[Triple A]

Not the first guy. The first guy was just standing there, mortified, 'cause the guy next to him had thrown beer all over Artest, but here comes this big freak at him with his hands up.

The guy on the court deserved to get decked, but the first guy in the stands was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
How do you know that first fan wasn't the one who threw the beer? It seemed like he was the one who started it.

[The Answer]

DeadManWalkin, you are a fucking idiot.

Punching a coach is completely different than being in a brawl and then being hit by a piece of shit fan who thinks he can get away with it.

And NEWSFLASH: Wrestling isn't the same shit as the NBA. NBA players aren't used to having shit thrown on them on the court.

No need to call me a fucking idiot.So they aren't used to getting things thrown at them.Get serious dude if anyone else had been laying down on the table their he wouldn't have charged the stands.He would have scramed profanties.Artest is a nutcase everyone knows that.And to make things worse he attacked the wrong dude anyway.How would you like it if for example a guy sitting next to u threw something at Batista and Batista jumps into the crowd and drills u thinking you did it, I bet u wouldn't find it right either.Again no need for name calling just my opinion

[The Answer]

How do you know that first fan wasn't the one who threw the beer? It seemed like he was the one who started it.

Wrong, Espn stated it and eye witness reports stated it as well.Maybe that changes ur opinion as that could have been any one of us getting attacked for no reason.The guy in the old school pistons jersey started it the one that began punching artest in the back of the head when he was holding him

[Bad Guy]

Nah Trips, the guy that Ron Artest attacked had a beer in his hand. Thus it could not have been him.

[RoXer]

he came out with a dust pan

lol, I haven't seen that.

[Splaya]

If Artest saw that fan throwing the beer cup, then why did he go after the wrong fan then.

[The Outlaw]

Splaya have you read the whole thread?

Seriously now, come on.

[Splaya]

No, I know what has been talked about. This is all rediculous though. It appeared, although coincidental, that Artest's knee got up around Wallace's groin/back of knee area. That could be another reason why Ben was pissed off.

Also, Fred Jones entered the stands and threw punches, why was he allowed to play tonight :mad:

[Splaya]

They have now said on ESPN that Artest will get between 25-40 games but an owner who spoke with David Stern today said that do not be shocked if Artest is supsended for the season.

Stephen Jackson and O Neal are looking at 10-15 games.

They say Ben Wallace will probably get 5 games.

[Splaya]

ESPN also learned that O Neal cold cocked someone in the aisle on the way to the locker room. This was off camera but a police officer had seen it.

[I-Hate-You]

If you missed it, here's your chance to see it.

http://www.z0neclan.com/Vids/NBAFIGHT1.wmv - the fight as it happened

http://www.z0neclan.com/Vids/NBAFIGHT2.wmv - the fight recap

[Bad Guy]

lol, I haven't seen that.
it's at the 4:18 mark on the video if you want to see it. it's actually kind of funny.

[Bad Guy]

Speaking of Tinsley, I'm pretty sure R. Wallace said something like "Step over this line" and pointed to the ground. Then Tinsley let some guy hold him back.

[RP]

SO kind of off topic here but the final score of the Ind vs Orl game had Orlando winning by only 3. Does that make Orlando bad or the Pacers bottom 6 players real good?

Damn O'neal was breaking everyone off at the Palace friday night...

[The Outlaw]

They have now said on ESPN that Artest will get between 25-40 games but an owner who spoke with David Stern today said that do not be shocked if Artest is supsended for the season.

Stephen Jackson and O Neal are looking at 10-15 games.

They say Ben Wallace will probably get 5 games.
LOL ridiculous

[Apprentice]

They have now said on ESPN that Artest will get between 25-40 games but an owner who spoke with David Stern today said that do not be shocked if Artest is supsended for the season.



Well, if thats true, then at least he'll have the time to promote his rap album.

[Kid Robb]

The Rudy T situation was when he was a player. He got into an altercation with Kermit Washington, then walked away. Washington came running up while Tomjanovich's back was turned and punched him in the back of the head. He lost something like 28 games for that. I don't remember the exact number.

That's nothing like what happened!

Washington was in an altercation with a teammate of Rudy T's when Rudy came running over to intervene. Washington saw someone coming from the corner of his eye and wheeled around and nailed him in the face. Rudy ran in to break up a fight and Washington thought he was about to be blindsided.

Can't compare that with this.

[yianni]

LOL that shit was fucking great to watch, just been round to Kid Robb's to have a gander at it. :D

[Loose Cannon]

Wow, Artest got screwed big time. What the fuck? I don't even like the guy, but Christ that's shit.

[Loose Cannon]

and lol at the wrestling analogy

[Ninti the Mad]

lol

I still laugh at this.

Rasheed Wallace is such a cry baby.

[loopydate]

That's nothing like what happened!

Washington was in an altercation with a teammate of Rudy T's when Rudy came running over to intervene. Washington saw someone coming from the corner of his eye and wheeled around and nailed him in the face. Rudy ran in to break up a fight and Washington thought he was about to be blindsided.

Can't compare that with this.
You're right. Which fight is it that I'm thinking of where the guy got blasted in the back of the head? I thought that was the Tomjanovich/Washington incident, but it wasn't.

[loopydate]

Wow, Artest got screwed big time. What the fuck? I don't even like the guy, but Christ that's shit.
They have to send a strong message. It may be harsh, but they suspended Sprewell for a season for strangling one guy.

[Gonzo]

Sprewell choked his coach for christ's sake. That was well deserved.

I can't disagree with the punishments. You can throw the blame around to anyone in this incident, but it will usually always fall back to the players knowing that they shouldn't get involved.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

ROFL just saw this. Awesome.

[Apprentice]

Report: Artest suspended 30 games, Jackson, O'Neal get 20

November 21, 2004

DETROIT (Ticker) - It appears the Indiana Pacers will pay a heavy price for Friday's embarrassing melee.

WDIV-TV is reporting that Ron Artest of the Pacers will be suspended for 30 games and teammates Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson will be suspended 20 games apiece for their roles in Friday's ugly brawl against the Detroit Pistons that saw players taking on fans both on and off the court.

According to WDIV, center Ben Wallace of the Pistons will be banned for five games.

Calling it a "humiliation for everyone associated with the NBA," commissioner David Stern announced Saturday that Artest, O'Neal, Jackson and Wallace have been suspended indefinitely.

Stern is expected to specifically announce the length of suspensions for each player by Sunday night.

Jackson, Artest and O'Neal all landed their share of punches in the Pacers' 97-82 victory over the Pistons, a game that had to be called with 45 seconds remaining.

Reacting to fans who had thrown everything from plastic bottles to chairs at them, Jackson, Artest and O'Neal, among others, went into the stands to retaliate.

Stern issued a statement Saturday.

"The events at last night's (Friday) game were shocking, repulsive and inexcusable - a humiliation for everyone associated with the NBA," the statement said. "This demonstrates why our players must not enter the stands whatever the provocation of poisonous behavior of people attending the games."

In addition to the actions of the league, players also are facing the possibility of arrests.

Jackson climbed into the seats and landed a roundhouse right that floored a fan next to another fan who had thrown a plastic beer bottle at Artest, hitting him in the face.

Fans continued to throw things and verbally accost members of the Pacers. Several came onto the court and one took a fighting stance against Artest, who dropped him with a punch. O'Neal ran over and floored another fan with a righthanded blow.

"That was the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life as a coach or player," Pistons coach Larry Brown said Friday. "I'm just embarrassed for our league and disappointed being a part of this with young people seeing that."

Detroit forward Rasheed Wallace and radio announcer Rick Mahorn went into the stands to try to break things up. Referee Tommy Nunez Jr. was clipped in the head with a thrown bottle, opening a cut.

The game was called, which forced the Pacers to make their way through a gauntlet of angry fans who continued to throw objects despite pleas from Brown. Players and team officials were showered with beer, soda and popcorn. No players from either team spoke with the media.

With 45 seconds left, Artest fouled Wallace, who clearly overreacted and shoved Artest with a chokehold.

Artest walked away but was followed by Wallace, who had to be restrained. While players from both teams jawed at each other and order was being restored, Artest lay down on the scorer's table when he was hit with the bottle, and the Palace looked like a prison riot.

[Gonzo]

Also in response to one of Splaya's points, if you watch the foul from Artest it looks like he kicks Ben Wallace in the balls from behind. :lol:

[Rain Man]

Funniest shit I have ever seen...:rofl: Artest is a fucking animal.

[The Outlaw]

This shit is ridiculous

[The Outlaw]

and one took a fighting stance against Artest, who dropped him with a punch. O'Neal ran over and floored another fan with a righthanded blow.
LOL yeah what an innocent bystander

Also, he's making such a big deal out of going into the crowd but I saw a few Pistons players in the crowd too, albeit to "break it up" which was actually just to watch it close up from what it looked like.

Like I said, ridiculous

[Supreme Olajuwon]

This is why the NBA is a joke

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

LOL@Tinsley bringing out a dust pan HAHAHAH

Artest got 30 games though, damn, pretty ridiculous. Atleast he'll get that time off now haha

[The Outlaw]

Yeah true

Yeah I couldnt believe Tinsley. He was about ready to hurt some people with that dust pan haha

[Gonzo]

EC F'N W

[RoXer]

Artest fouled Wallace, who clearly overreacted and shoved Artest with a chokehold.

waht :?:

[BCWWF]

At least I already have Austin Croshere on my fantasy team, he's so good and going to play all the time now.

[RoXer]

After reviewing the play, Wallace did push Artest in the throat. I missed that.

[Bad Guy]

OFFICIAL SUSPENSIONS:

Artest's season is done. Jackson, 30 games. O'Neil, 25 games. Wallace, 5 games. Johnson, 5 games. Billups, Campbell, Coleman, and Miller each get 1 game.

[Bad Guy]

ESPN.com

[Apprentice]

Damn! I guess the report I posted was premature. I wonder what the heck the Pacers are gonna do now.

[loopydate]

Bad Guy's right. This is the official announcement:

The following suspensions were announced today by NBA Commissioner David Stern, resulting from the events during the Indiana Pacers at Detroit Pistons game on Nov. 19.


<LI>Pacers forward Ron Artest has been suspended for the remainder of the season.
<LI>Indiana guard Stephen Jackson has been suspended for 30 games.
<LI>Pacers forward Jermaine O’Neal has been suspended for 25 games.
<LI>Indiana guard Anthony Johnson has been suspended for five games.
<LI>Detroit forward/center Ben Wallace has been suspended for six games.
<LI>Pistons forwards Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman and guard Chauncey Billups have each been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on-court altercation.
Indiana guard Reggie Miller has been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on-court altercation.
They followed that with the same quotes from Stern that have been playing on ESPN all weekend.

Good for the NBA. This is a bit harsh, probably, but now players will think twice before doing something so astronomically stupid.

[RoXer]

After this incident, that other thread about Artest seems hilarious.

[Kid Robb]

Artest gets 72 games in the end, not including the Magic game he missed.

Has anyone heard why Tinsley missed the Magic game, did he get injured or something? He appeared fine.

The Artest suspension is a joke. Jackson and O'Neal I can understand. Wallace's role in it all has been understated, to only get 6 games he's very very lucky. What did Anthony Johnson do?

Pacers are totally screwed now. Someone should congratulate those Detroit fans, they've eliminated one obstacle for their teams title defense. I wonder if someone will try the same with Shaq when the Heat visit Detroit?

[VonErich Lives]

My question is where the heck was security?

Also, Walker went into the Stands in Boston a few years ago and didn't get anything.

Was Artest at fault? Yeah, even after getting hit by the debree, you shouldn't go in the stands, especially when he had no idea who did it and the people he attacked said he just kept asking people while he was hitting them "was it you, was it you who did it".

Now on the flip side, when fans come on the court, how does Artest know they don't have a knife or a gun? and where the hell was security and/or the cops?

I can justify Artest hitting the guy who came up to him, O'neil I can't because the guy he hit, while on the court was just standing there, and was being backed away and O'neil just blindsided him.

The cops say they're reviewing the footage, I hope some fans get arrested for their part.

[The Answer]

Artest and Jackson for the rest of the year??? Get the fuck out of here.

I said Jackson would get most of the year and he will miss near half.I was bang on when it came to artest

[Triple A]

Wow. Fucking ridiculous. :n:

[Gonzo]

A whole season? Utter bullshit.

[RP]

Fuckem. The Pacers will make it to the playoffs. ( Cue Jim Fossle ) I dont know how. They will find a way. Comon Freddie Jones. Time to be the man. ( Fred Jones put up 31 on orlando. He was outstanding )

[The Answer]

Fuckem. The Pacers will make it to the playoffs. ( Cue Jim Fossle ) I dont know how. They will find a way. Comon Freddie Jones. Time to be the man. ( Fred Jones put up 31 on orlando. He was outstanding )

I doubt that if they go 5-20 in the games oneill and jackson miss.If you look at their line up.They are missing artest,oneill,jackson,miller.They will have to have a great second half of the season to make it to the top of their divison let alone the top of the conference(where they should have battled detroit)

[Splaya]

After this incident, that other thread about Artest seems hilarious.

Who made the other thread :shifty:

[The Outlaw]

This is ridiculous

[BCWWF]

I can still see them making the playoffs purely because there aren't enough good teams in the East to pass them. Tinsley and Croshere are playing well enough to not completely fall off. I think they will end up 7 or 8 seed.

[VonErich Lives]

Stern wanted to send a message to players, don't go in the stands. These suspensions will make most players think twice, but I also think they need to take a better look at security.

[Bad Guy]

Before all this shit happened I had it as

1) Detroit
2) Indiana

or
1) Indiana
2) Detroit

really too close to call. But now I have Indiana as an 8th seed if they have a really good 2nd half season.

[Kid Robb]

Imagine a Pacers-Pistons playoff series now, geez that'd be great.

IMO you can excuse Artest and O'Neal for their actions on court, as the fans have absolutely no right to be on the court, and when you're facing 22,000 people against you and have had shit throw at your from the crowd and been punched by crowd members then you can be forgiven for thinking the next person is coming to hit you too. What's Artest supposed to do, wait to get hit before he fights back. Perhaps everyone needs to remember Monica Seles when thinking about fans getting onto the court.

I hope the Pacers finish the year strongly and do well. I'd love to see them stick it to the NBA for this, they've been harshly treated imo.

[SuperSlim]

overall the suspensions arebeyond ridiculous.

I mean Artest gettin the rest of the season? For safety? That's a load of bull. I mean maybe half a season but not the entire rest of the season. Then you give Ben Wallace 6 games? If he would not hav overreacted with that whole foul then the whole incident would not have even happened.

this is unjustified punishment for Artest and the Pacers. The Pistons just get a slap on the wrist. out of this whole ordeal. The Pacers get pimp slapped.

[The Mackem]

I've said it all the long, American fans are just a bunch of hooligans.

[YOUR Hero]

Boo-hoo

Poor rich guys and their temper tantrums.

Well deserved.

[Johnny Vegas]

IMO,

I Agree with S&S up there, the suspensions were ridiculous and it was Wallace who started the whole altercation. Stephon Jackson, which many of you didn't notice, hit that fan because the fan threw beer in Artest's face. If you seen a buddy of yours getting something thrown at him/her, you would react. Period. And if you wouldn't, then you aren't a friend. Furthermore, the fans are totally to blame for this incident. Just think: 1. If the cup wasn't thrown, none of this would have happened. 2. If the Mexican guy didn't come on the court, there would have not been further damage. A fan threw a fucking chair in a crowd of people for christ's sake!! :n: The punishment was too harsh and like S&S said above, all the Pistons got was a slap on the wrist. :roll: Oh yea, where the fuck was security?

[VonErich Lives]

dunno JV, I've watched it a few times, and SJ was swinging wild before anyone threw beer at Artest and Artest was already beating up the wrong fan.

I love people blaming Wallace, he did over-react, but it was a hard foul by a guy known for cheap shots and he pushed him.

Artest never should have lied down on the scorer table and the refs never should have left him there.

I do blame the fans, but if Artest didn't go in the stands after getting hit w/ the (cup or was it a plastic bottle) nothing would have escalated.

As someone put it, if Artest didn't run from wallace like a scared kid, none of this would have happened :)

[loopydate]

Stephen Jackson's second game back is in Indianapolis against the Pistons.

[Loose Cannon]

Holy shit, "Hard Foul" my ass. If that was a hard foul, then some of the fouls I've been hit with in HS ball should have been called assault.


And yeah, Artest running like a scared kid. haha, yea blame the guy for backing off.

I blame the security the most, they fucked up big time.

Fk'n bullshit if you ask me with Artest getting the season

[Johnny Vegas]

dunno JV, I've watched it a few times, and SJ was swinging wild before anyone threw beer at Artest and Artest was already beating up the wrong fan.

I love people blaming Wallace, he did over-react, but it was a hard foul by a guy known for cheap shots and he pushed him.

Artest never should have lied down on the scorer table and the refs never should have left him there.

I do blame the fans, but if Artest didn't go in the stands after getting hit w/ the (cup or was it a plastic bottle) nothing would have escalated.

As someone put it, if Artest didn't run from wallace like a scared kid, none of this would have happened :)

Well from what i saw, Artest went into the stands, grabbed that guy and just wrestled him to the floor. Another guy to the right deliberately threw a cup of beer in Artest's face. Artest was going to go after him next but people held him back. However, Stephen Jackson saw this and proceeded to throw a haymaker to the fan. Also, c'mon, there have been worst case scenarios with fouling. I mean back in the playoffs in the early '90s b/t the Bulls & Pistons, the Pistons were KNOWN for stuff like this and did WORSE, but did Jordan, Pippen, or any other players react like Wallace? Artest, IMO, did not foul Wallace hard enough to cause that riot. Wallace was just upset at the fact that he got fouled and the Pistons were in a deficit. If Wallace kept his cool, like he should have as a pro, none of this would have happened.

[Splaya]

I've got the tape from Sportscenter I'll go look at it again :o

[PSIcological]

wow, this is pretty big, they even showed some of it on sky sports news this morning in england. They never show any american sport unless its a pretty major happening. Also they told us the suspensions then, so wow. Wish i could have seen the whole thing

[loopydate]

Well from what i saw, Artest went into the stands, grabbed that guy and just wrestled him to the floor. Another guy to the right deliberately threw a cup of beer in Artest's face. Artest was going to go after him next but people held him back. However, Stephen Jackson saw this and proceeded to throw a haymaker to the fan. Also, c'mon, there have been worst case scenarios with fouling. I mean back in the playoffs in the early '90s b/t the Bulls & Pistons, the Pistons were KNOWN for stuff like this and did WORSE, but did Jordan, Pippen, or any other players react like Wallace? Artest, IMO, did not foul Wallace hard enough to cause that riot. Wallace was just upset at the fact that he got fouled and the Pistons were in a deficit. If Wallace kept his cool, like he should have as a pro, none of this would have happened.
I love people blaming Wallace. It's fucking hilarious.

So he overreacted to a foul.

BIG. FUCKING. DEAL.

Instigating an on-court fight is usually a 5-10 game suspension. That's what Wallace got.

Wallace didn't instigate Artest going into the crowd. The crowd did. But even then, Artest should have known better.

If he was a first-time offender, give him 30 games like Jackson. But since this isn't the first time Artest has tried to go into the stands, he deserves what he got, and probably more.

And now he can go and promote his album for the next eleven months without all that pesky basketball getting in the way.

[Johnny Vegas]

I love people blaming Wallace. It's fucking hilarious.

So he overreacted to a foul.

BIG. FUCKING. DEAL.

Instigating an on-court fight is usually a 5-10 game suspension. That's what Wallace got.

Wallace didn't instigate Artest going into the crowd. The crowd did. But even then, Artest should have known better.

If he was a first-time offender, give him 30 games like Jackson. But since this isn't the first time Artest has tried to go into the stands, he deserves what he got, and probably more.

And now he can go and promote his album for the next eleven months without all that pesky basketball getting in the way.

What is even funnier is people blaming Artest because he is a "loose cannon" or "known for things like this". Do you think Artest just wakes up and says "Hmmm, so who can i piss off today in the game". Fuck no. Wallace overreacted to a foul, a foul which is TYPICAL in a damn basketball game. Since i have played basketball all throughout high school i can tell you this and you can fucking quote me: Ben Wallace reacted the way he did because they were LOSING and they had a chance to come back, Artest committed a foul, and smart foul i might add b/c of Wallace's rep. at the free throw line, and Wallace reacted the way he did. And i forgot who said it, but people always say "Artest is wrong, he shouldn't have done that, blah fucking blah"...Well, you never know what YOU would do in a situation like that until YOU are in it.

[The Outlaw]

Its pretty sad you guys agree that his past should be taken into consideration. Thats punishing him for what hes already been disciplined for.

Like I and 95% of the people Ive talked to have said, ridiculous.

[loopydate]

What is even funnier is people blaming Artest because he is a "loose cannon" or "known for things like this". Do you think Artest just wakes up and says "Hmmm, so who can i piss off today in the game". Fuck no. Wallace overreacted to a foul, a foul which is TYPICAL in a damn basketball game. Since i have played basketball all throughout high school i can tell you this and you can fucking quote me: Ben Wallace reacted the way he did because they were LOSING and they had a chance to come back, Artest committed a foul, and smart foul i might add b/c of Wallace's rep. at the free throw line, and Wallace reacted the way he did. Period.
Did you not see where I said that he clearly overreacted? Wallace deserved his suspension, no doubt. The foul was clearly intentional, and that's what pissed him off, but you don't shove a guy in the throat.

And, no, nobody wakes up and says "Hmmm, so who can I piss off today in the game?" You don't have to think that. If you're mentally unbalanced, when the opportunity presents itself, you go for it.

You hack guys after jump balls. You throw television monitors. You have to be restrained by an assistant coach to keep from jumping fans. You start grabbing and punching fans in the crowd.

I'm not convinced it's a conscious thing. I think Artest is mentally imbalanced and needs psychiatric help. Anyone with their head on their shoulders would have let security do their job on Friday night instead of taking matters into their own hands. He's a professional athlete for Christ's sake. Did he think the guy was going to put up a fight?

[The Outlaw]

JV they had no chance of coming back.

While I dont agree with the suspension, I also dont agree with Artest fouling him. That dunk wasnt going to be a 15 point basket.

[loopydate]

Its pretty sad you guys agree that his past should be taken into consideration. Thats punishing him for what hes already been disciplined for.

Like I and 95% of the people Ive talked to have said, ridiculous.
Hey, it works in the court system. If you have a history of destruction of property and attempted assault, those things get taken into consideration when you actually haul off and punch somebody.

[Johnny Vegas]

JV they had no chance of coming back.

While I dont agree with the suspension, I also dont agree with Artest fouling him. That dunk wasnt going to be a 15 point basket.

LOL OMG, wasn't it 92-87? That is only 5 points! And with like 40 something seconds left, i forgot what it was, do you know how quick a game can be changed in basketball within that time slot? I.E. Miami game that night

[Johnny Vegas]

Its pretty sad you guys agree that his past should be taken into consideration. Thats punishing him for what hes already been disciplined for.

Like I and 95% of the people Ive talked to have said, ridiculous.

I don't take that into consideration. Never have. People make mistakes and like you said, he got disciplined for it. People should not bring up the past b/c it makes the whole situation biased.

[loopydate]

LOL OMG, wasn't it 92-87? That is only 5 points! And with like 40 something seconds left, i forgot what it was, do you know how quick a game can be changed in basketball within that time slot? I.E. Miami game that night
97-82

That's fifteen.

[The Outlaw]

What I do yesterday is not revelent to what I do today.

Randy Moss is known to be immature and "thuggish" because of his past, but he's not.

Now, I agree Artest has acted like a thug, but last year he toned it down and I actually think he's trying not to snap when stuff happens. I dunno, I just don't see the suspensions being reasonable.

[The Outlaw]

Yeah it was 97-82.

[Splaya]

LOL OMG, wasn't it 92-87? That is only 5 points! And with like 40 something seconds left, i forgot what it was, do you know how quick a game can be changed in basketball within that time slot? I.E. Miami game that night
Pretty sure the score was 97-82 Pacers :o


Also to put something note worthy here, Artest's knee went up into the knee/thigh/groin area of Wallace. I have watched that many times on the tape I have.

[Johnny Vegas]

97-82

That's fifteen.

Well that is my fault for that. Either way, i still stick to my opinion though :y:

[Splaya]

The Indianapolis Star stated in an editorial today, that Ron Artest should be told by Pacers Management that he will not be welcomed back to the team.


When you get dissed by your own newspaper = PWNED

[Wengerland]

LOL saw that fight on the news today, classic.

[RoXer]

Good news is he has time to work on that R&B album of his.

[Wengerland]

How long is it until the end of the season?

We had an incident in the football/soccer over here about 10 years ago whena player kung fu kicked a fan in the stand, and he got 6 months, this sounds pretty similiar.

[Shawshank]

yeah but that fan deserved it, he was mocking the seagulls for good sake!

[loopydate]

How long is it until the end of the season?

We had an incident in the football/soccer over here about 10 years ago whena player kung fu kicked a fan in the stand, and he got 6 months, this sounds pretty similiar.
Regular season ends in May, playoffs (which the Pacers will make) end in June.

All told, it's 73 games, about six/seven months.

You're right. It does seem similar.

[VonErich Lives]

Its pretty sad you guys agree that his past should be taken into consideration. Thats punishing him for what hes already been disciplined for.

Like I and 95% of the people Ive talked to have said, ridiculous.

I dunno, when a shoplifter goes before a judge, if it's his first time he gets less of a sentence then if it's his 5th.

As for Wallace, I heard a reporter say that's not normal for him and his brother just died and he probably shouldn't have been playing in the first place.

That being said, Artest never should have gone in the stands, players have been hit w/ debree for years, it's nothing new, it's not right, but you don't go in the stands.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Whenever I read a VEL argument I wanna start drilling through my ears.

Whenever he sees something on the news or something, it always seems he views it differently to the entire population.

"I DUNNO SJ WAS PUNCHING BEFORE ANYTHING WAS THROWN"

Shutup you piece of shit.

[loopydate]

In this case, though, VEL's right.

[VonErich Lives]

Whenever I read a VEL argument I wanna start drilling through my ears.

Whenever he sees something on the news or something, it always seems he views it differently to the entire population.

"I DUNNO SJ WAS PUNCHING BEFORE ANYTHING WAS THROWN"

Shutup you piece of shit.


In this case, though, VEL's right.


Dale probably hasn't even seen the tape and plenty of people think SJ was throwing punches before anything was thrown at him, he went in the stands swinging, he should have gone in the stands and grabbed his teammate and dragged his ass out of there.

[The Outlaw]

Actually, Jackson didn't swing until a guy threw a beer in Artest's face while he was being held back by three guys...

[Triple A]

VEL ARE YOU SERIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

JESUS.

Stephen Jackson went up to help his teammate and he did not swing at anyone until a guy threw a beer in Artest's face.

[OssMan]

I had Ron Artest and Ben Wallace on my fantasy team. I had to drop Artest so I dunno

I hate basketball anyway though

[VonErich Lives]

VEL ARE YOU SERIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

JESUS.

Stephen Jackson went up to help his teammate and he did not swing at anyone until a guy threw a beer in Artest's face.

Jackson should have grabbed Artest and pulled him out of there, that would have helped the situation.

on a side note, they say they have a good picture of the guy who threw a chair and the chair also hit a cop, so they're going to press charges.

[Triple A]

Jackson is a crazy black man.

[Gonzo]

Anyone who gets charged should get the maximum sentence because they deserve it.

[Loose Cannon]

Listen, when emotions are that high, what are the chances someone like Stephen Jackson, is going to go "Oh crap, let me go pull some of my teamates back so they won't get suspended?" Very Very Little.

Psychology is my minor and trust me, when there is a situation like that, the percentage of people who think rationally on the spot is minimum. And when you factor the world in which some of those guys group up in, it ain't happening.

[VonErich Lives]

Trips, just watched it again, SJ throws the first punch before the cup of (we assume beer) is thrown.

and LC, I understand your point, but it had nothing to do w/ "pull him back he might get suspended" how about "WTF, the guys lost it let me get him out of the stands" Did you notice other Pacers in the stands? and what we're they doing? Pulling players out!

Artest is an idiot, he got punked by Wallace who would have kicked his ass.

The lied down on the anouncer table, and stayed there w/ his legs crossed, etc...

The got hit w/ a cup, I'm not saying that the fans have any right to throw things, but you don't go in the stands and the best is he beat up the wrong guy!

Plenty of athletes get hit w/ things a lot worse then a cup, this was just a big Artest mental break down that's been coming, he either wants to be Dennis Rodman or somehow has the same brain.

I feel bad for the Pacers fans, the ticket holders that paid for tickets to see a good team and won't because Artest is an idiot, SJ over-reacted and god knows WTF was going through O'Neal head...

[VonErich Lives]

Jackson is a crazy black man.


Jessie or Reggie?

[The Outlaw]

No, he threw a haymaker after the beer was thrown.

[The Outlaw]

Perhaps what was going through his head is "Hey this guy and his dawg are trying to attack my teamate/brother, Im going to teach them a lesson"?

In less violent terms of course

[Apprentice]

Don't forget to check out Artest's new album
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041123/capt.ints10611231824.pacers_artest_ints106.jpg

[Johnny Vegas]

VonErich, i really do not want to say what everybody else has been telling since forever. I do not know what tape or footage you saw, the guy THREW the beer in Artest face, and SJ threw the Haymaker. You know it, i know it, everybody knows it. Thats the only point i want to make. Yea, he is just going to start throwing punches because of no reason at all. :roll:

[Splaya]

The beer was thrown before SJ hit the guy so yes, he threw the haymaker after the beer was hit. But when I looked at the tape I have in slow motion, he was going to swing at the guy regardless. He was already making a motion to hit the fan as the beer was being thrown.

[Johnny Vegas]

Well either way, if the guy wasn't throwing the beer or didn't think about doing it, he wouldn't have gotten whaled on like that :y: gotta admit, it was a nice hit

[VonErich Lives]

Well either way, if the guy wasn't throwing the beer or didn't think about doing it, he wouldn't have gotten whaled on like that :y: gotta admit, it was a nice hit

You gotta watch it again, or splaya said in slo-mo maybe to break it down, if there had been no beer thrown SJ was still thowing a punch, before it was thrown.

I'm not talking about the cup that hit Artest on the scorers table.

It's all a moot point.

Artest never should have gone in the stands, and SJ's first reaction in the stands should have been to grab Artest who shouldn't have gone in there in the first place, not to start swinging.

as said, I feel sorry for the Pacer fans, Artest is an idiot.

Now he's on this big media blitz, they want to talk about the fight and he's promoting his Album.

I hope the Pacers find a way to cut him an no one picks him up, he makes Dennis Rodman look stable.

[VonErich Lives]

Yea, he is just going to start throwing punches because of no reason at all. :roll:
Never said that, in his mind he was doing the right thing, defending/helping his teammate who he saw in being in a 1 on 10-20-30person brawl.


if the guy wasn't throwing the beer or didn't think about doing it,
and we're supposed to assume SJ could read the guys mind? :roll:

[Funky Fly]

This is getting so much attention that even my psych prof (who is a little old lady) was discussing it today.

Holy shit.

[Loose Cannon]

See, Controversy = Ratings. That's all there is to it. We need more stuff like this to keep things interesting in this world. :yes:

[Kid Robb]

In regards to Ben Wallace, the only reason people are point him out in this is that his suspension of 5 games (which is normal) wasn't escalated in the way Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson's were. Wallace overreacted to the foul (which was far from hard - like someone said earlier, go ask Scottie Pippen about the scar on his chin from being pushed into a chair by Rodman for a hard foul) and then threw the towel at Artest.

If Wallace gets five games, then O'Neal and Jackson get 15 and Artest gets 30-something to take him past the all-star break. If you're going to bump the Pacers suspensions, Wallace must get more as well.

Artest will play in the playoffs, so unless he's traded while on suspension (if that's possible) then he'll play at least a couple more games as a Pacer.

[Triple A]

Trips, just watched it again, SJ throws the first punch before the cup of (we assume beer) is thrown.
WTF ARE YOU BLIND. THE GUY THROWS THE CUP IN ARTEST'S FACE AFTER ARTEST GOES INTO THE STANDS, AND THEN JACKSON PUNCHES THE GUY. YOU ARE SO ABSURD. WOW.

And Artest was too smart to fight back at Wallace, so he chilled and then when he got hit by the cup, he basically took out his aggression on a fan.

[Buzzkill]

Artest will play in the playoffs, so unless he's traded while on suspension (if that's possible) then he'll play at least a couple more games as a Pacer.
I thought that the suspension included all regular season games plus all post season games? Or did they change it?

[RP]

" Good news is he has time to work on that R&B album of his. '

Look. If someone says this one more time i'll stab you in the face with a bald point pen.



Pacers beat Celtics tonight. Paul Peirce says " The worst lost of my career "

Good stuff.

[VonErich Lives]

In regards to Ben Wallace, the only reason people are point him out in this is that his suspension of 5 games (which is normal) wasn't escalated in the way Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson's were. Wallace overreacted to the foul (which was far from hard - like someone said earlier, go ask Scottie Pippen about the scar on his chin from being pushed into a chair by Rodman for a hard foul) and then threw the towel at Artest.

If Wallace gets five games, then O'Neal and Jackson get 15 and Artest gets 30-something to take him past the all-star break. If you're going to bump the Pacers suspensions, Wallace must get more as well.

Artest will play in the playoffs, so unless he's traded while on suspension (if that's possible) then he'll play at least a couple more games as a Pacer.

I don't think you have to bump Wallaces suspension. I agree he over-reacted, but he didn't cause this whole thing and even still after getting hit by a cup from the stands, Artest shouldn't have gone into the stands in the first place.

WTF ARE YOU BLIND. THE GUY THROWS THE CUP IN ARTEST'S FACE AFTER ARTEST GOES INTO THE STANDS, AND THEN JACKSON PUNCHES THE GUY. YOU ARE SO ABSURD. WOW.

And Artest was too smart to fight back at Wallace, so he chilled and then when he got hit by the cup, he basically took out his aggression on a fan.

Yeah Trips, me and everyone else who saw it that way, 2 that posted in this tread and plenty of reports who have talked and written about it.

Either way it's a moot point cause Artest never should have been in the stands in the first place!

and for the people who say "Well, what would you do". You can't say that, you have to say "What would you do if you were a pro-athlete during a game". This wasn't Artest at a bar w/ some friends and someone threw a drink in his face, this was a pro-athlete during a game getting hit by debree.

[VonErich Lives]

" Good news is he has time to work on that R&B album of his. '


Heard a reporter suggesting he did this onpurpose to get more attention (free press) and the month off he wanted.

[The Outlaw]

The beer was thrown before SJ hit the guy so yes, he threw the haymaker after the beer was hit. But when I looked at the tape I have in slow motion, he was going to swing at the guy regardless. He was already making a motion to hit the fan as the beer was being thrown.
LOL you watched it in slow motion? Get out of here

By the way, that last point was the stupidest thing I have ever read.

[VonErich Lives]

LOL you watched it in slow motion? Get out of here

By the way, that last point was the stupidest thing I have ever read.

making the motion, means his arm was already swinging before the beer was thrown.

now do you understand?
:roll:

[Triple A]

What the fuck, are we talking about the same situation or what?????????

Artest runs into the crowd and goes after the guy in the black shirt. Then, while he is attacking him, another guy on the right of the screen in a black shirt throws a cup of beer in Artest's face. Meanwhile, Stephen Jackson is running up but he is still like four chairs away from the guy who threw the beer in Artest's face. AFTER he sees the dickhead throw the beer, he goes at him and punches him in the face. It is not even close to him punching him before the beer is thrown. It is clearly right after. You cannot be fucking serious unless you are talking about something completely different.

[The Mackem]

Has somebody got a link where I don't have to sign up to a website?

[Dazz]

I saw the incident the other day, what a load of pussies, see Eric Cantona's kun fu kick on a fan to see how you sort them out. and the black guy who swung a punch at the other player looks like he should be really hard but he isn't. This is worse then the brawl earier this year.

[Triple A]

VEL AND SPLAYA, YOU FUCKING RETARDS, LOOK:

Fan sees other fan being attacked.
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/nbajackson01.jpg

GETS READY TO THROW BEER. LOOK WHERE JACKSON IS.
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/nbajackson02.jpg

THROWS BEER. LOOK WHERE JACKSON'S ARMS ARE. THEY AREN'T SWINGING, FUCKTARDS. GOD. I HOPE YOU BOTH DIE.
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/nbajackson03.jpg

AND AGAIN. JACKSON STILL THERE.
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/nbajackson04.jpg

FINALLY, HE GOES FOR THE GUY.
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/nbajackson05.jpg

YEAHHHHH
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/nbajackson06.jpg

Another angle. Look how Jackson is looking down as the drink is splashed in Artest's face. The punch is OBVIOUSLY A REACTION TO THE THROWING OF THE DRINK YOU FUCKING GOD DAMN <B>RETARDS</B>.
http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/nbajackson07.jpg

[The Mackem]

Hey the Red Arrows were in Detroit the other day :cool:

[Dazz]

lol at Mackem

[Kid Robb]

I don't think you have to bump Wallaces suspension. I agree he over-reacted, but he didn't cause this whole thing and even still after getting hit by a cup from the stands, Artest shouldn't have gone into the stands in the first place.

Fair call, but what I'm thinking is that if a fan rushes the court and a player punches him in the face (eg J.O) then he wouldn't get a 25 game suspension. From what I saw J.O didn't do a great deal in the brawl in the stands, it was largely Artest and Jackson.

It's hard to draw the line at only nailing Pacers players for it *once the initial brawl started*. They have a right to defend themselves.

Also what was Rip Hamilton so upset about, he was visably out of control on the tape, what was the story there?

[Loose Cannon]

LMAO at Trips.

[RP]

Those 2 fat fuckers in the size 42 jersey's had it coming. Fat bastards walked on the court with the intention of fighting. O'neal and Artest cold cocked like they deserved.

I loved how after the game tuesday night ESPN told Carlisle about more coveraged that " ESPN" found that had our rookie David harrison throwing a punch at a fan as they where leaving the court cause the fan threw a drink at him. It was great. ESPN was all pumping there chest cause they found this video. Carlisle was like." Pfffft ESPN. Of course." and walked away.

David Stern said that they saw the video but they didnt suspend Harrison because of the actions of the fans that were throwing things while him in the other players were trying to leave the court.

ESPN pawned.

Stuart Scott was like " ESPN Immediatly reported this footage to the NBA I REPEAT. Immediatly reported this footage to the NBA"

asshole.

I also love how Artest is getting critizied for premoting his album during interviews yesterday. Hell if i lost 5 million dollars i think i would premote my album too.

The rap album joke is old and stupid and has nothing to do with the incident at hand. SOmoene needs to tell this to ESPN obviously.

[Apprentice]

I also love how Artest is getting critizied for premoting his album during interviews yesterday. Hell if i lost 5 million dollars i think i would premote my album too.

The rap album joke is old and stupid and has nothing to do with the incident at hand. SOmoene needs to tell this to ESPN obviously.

I think its cause that seemed to be all that was on his mind. He didn't show remorse. He didn't apologize to the fans of the NBA or to the Pacers. If one of the best players on my team was suspended for the year, I'd want an apology.

[RP]

Uhh where we watching the saem interview? He apologized quite a bit.

Besides those tv channels and radio shows are using him to get the " First big scoop from the crazy guy " He wasnt even suppose to be interviewed on tv. I heard the Today channel rushed a camera down there to get the interview on tv. SO what did Artest do? He took advantage. Using people to benefit your career or your ratings goes both ways.

[Bad Guy]

Nah man. The playoffs are a part of the season. Artest won't be back until October 2005. Unless of course the players union actually works (but it won't, since guess who is the arbitrator? David Stern.)

[The Outlaw]

:love: :love: :love: @ Trips

making the motion, means his arm was already swinging before the beer was thrown.

now do you understand?
:roll:
Now, do YOU understand? Fucking idiot

[loopydate]

Also what was Rip Hamilton so upset about, he was visably out of control on the tape, what was the story there?
Maybe 'cause a 246-pound professional athlete was beating up his fans?

[The Outlaw]

Maybe he shouldn't have such moronic drunken fans

[RoXer]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Triple A again.

[loopydate]

Maybe he shouldn't have such moronic drunken fans
That would be nice, wouldn't it?

Although, to be fair, the guy that threw the cup was a criminal who wasn't supposed to be drinking (one of the conditions of his release). The Pistons (and Piston fans in general) shouldn't be held accountable for what one idiot started.

But, yeah, it would have been nice if people hadn't taken it so far.

[The Outlaw]

I agree. A few fans can ruin it for the whole lot. :n:

[Splaya]

Amazing this has gone till 6 pages long.


AAA you will disagree with this on me. But still photos and video's are 2 seperate things. When you watch a picture slide show of it, of course he is not going for the guy. But on the video before the beer is thrown Jackson is shown already going after the guy. If the SJ would not have been going for the guy whether the beer was thrown or not, he would have grabbed him and pulled him away or grabbed him and punched him. Not automatically go for a swinging haymaker on the poor guy.

[Gonzo]

It doesn't matter what SJ's motivations were or whatever, it was wrong none the less.

[Triple A]

Amazing this has gone till 6 pages long.


AAA you will disagree with this on me. But still photos and video's are 2 seperate things. When you watch a picture slide show of it, of course he is not going for the guy. But on the video before the beer is thrown Jackson is shown already going after the guy. If the SJ would not have been going for the guy whether the beer was thrown or not, he would have grabbed him and pulled him away or grabbed him and punched him. Not automatically go for a swinging haymaker on the poor guy.
WOW YOU STUPID FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN THE FUCKING VIDEO IT'S THE SAME GOD DAMN THING. HOW STUPID ARE YOU

[MoRcHeEbA]

:rofl:

[RP]

http://www.tpww.net/misc/images/nbajackson02.jpg

what are you stupid? He's throwing the cup in this picture and jackson see's him and chin checks him.

Your either :

(a) a very biased detroit fan who wont admit blame on your city's part and probably thinks Oj is innocent for that matter.

(b) a moron.

or

(c) your the guy throwing the beer in Artest's face and getting dotted in the face.

BTW that guy who threw the cup is hilarious. He's like " uhhh the cup was thrown in my vicinity "

Interviewer : Are you aware that you are shown on the tape throwing the cup.

Moron: Uhhhh the cup was uhhhh thrown in my vicinity. Uhhh whatever is on the tape. Uhhh

I mean in this interview i saw he's literally pulling lies out of his ass. He shaved to. Cause he knew he was fucked. He's like Bugs Bunny telling Elmer that he went that way thinking that Elmer was dumb enough to fall for it accept we arent cartoons and we arent dumb. God if all detroit fans are like this guy and splaya i'm suprised that havent burned there city down already...

[RP]

I donlt like Skip bayless alot but this is one of the best articles of writing i've seen on this incident if not the best . Have a read.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/041124

[DegenerationY]

RP, that was actually a really good read. I actually agreed with most of what he said :o

[Loose Cannon]

WOW YOU STUPID FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IN THE FUCKING VIDEO IT'S THE SAME GOD DAMN THING. HOW STUPID ARE YOU

LOL

[Loose Cannon]

*Still laughing.

[The Outlaw]

Wow splaya you are an utter retard.

He broke down the event picture by picture and you still disagree with him.

Terrible

[The Outlaw]

Im not sure if I agree with the bit about Artest would win in a fist match, but it would be an entertaining thing to watch. Wasn't aware of Artest being trained to box, so that would go in his favor.

[Johnny Vegas]

Wow splaya you are an utter retard.

He broke down the event picture by picture and you still disagree with him.

Terrible

[DaveWadding]

Free Ron Artest:

http://www.petitiononline.com/in9771/petition.html

[loopydate]

F<s>re</s><b>ir</b>e Ron Artest

[The Miz]

LOL online petition. Yeah I'm sure the NBA will reconsider now.

[Bad Guy]

:lol: