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Heyman
12-20-2004, 11:28 PM
DISCUSSION - Do you agree with the WWE's handling of the "Brock Lesnar" situation?

It is now well known that Brock Lesnar HAS expressed interest in returning to the WWE.

It is also well known that the WWE aren't exactly "rushing out" to bring in Lesnar.....and actually feel somewhat hesistant in bringing him in. They feel that Lesnar "walked out" on them.


What would you do if you were Vince McMahon?

A) Bring him back with Open Arms (and have him once again be a main-eventer).

B) Bring him back, but have him JOB.....and basically put him down to mid-card status as punishment (and have him main-event at a later date maybe).

C) Don't bring back Brock Lesnar




Here's the way I see it right now:

-Credit goes to Brock Lesnar for realizing that he wasn't passionate about the WWE (at the time), and wanted to give football a shot. Unlike guys like Goldberg for instance (i.e. guys who have limited passion for the business, and yet continue to stick around and hold others down).......Lesnar spoke from the heart.

-It's the WWE's fault for not adequately replacing the loss of Lesnar (i.e. perhaps doing a better job with the lottery draft).

-It's the Smackdown creative teams' fault for not creating new and intriguing characters to REPLACE Lesnar. Why wasn't RVD pushed as a main-eventer? Why did Smackdown seemingly "give up" on Guerrero? (I know personal problems with Guerrero's life had something to do with it, but still). Why has JBL *still* not scored a clean pinfall victory?

-It's not Brock Lesnar's fault that Smackdown went down in quality. It's the WWE's fault.

-Life is unfair. Wrestlers have no right to complain if Brock Lesnar is brought back and "steals their spot". If they're angry over it? Cry, or get the fuck out.

-Lesnar is one of the *FEW* guys left in the wrestling world that can still potentially draw. Lesnar was already a main-eventer.....and has that "aura of dominance" due to him being pushed so fast (guys like Goldberg, Triple H, Austin, The Rock, and Undertaker are probably the only other guys that have this "aura").


CONCLUSION: The WWE should bring back Brock Lesnar, and stick him in the main-events IMMEDIATELY. Try and bring him in as a FACE. Turn him heel obviously, if the fans turn on him.

I'd even go as far as saying, that Brock Lesnar (biggest face?......if they capitalize on his return face pop) should go up against Triple H (biggest heel) at Wrestlemania.

If other wrestlers resent the fact that Lesnar gets the main-event? Tough shit. Lesnar is perhaps the ONE guy that can draw if pushed right (upon returning).

That's just my opinion.

Innovator
12-20-2004, 11:30 PM
I'd say A, but not with open arms. The way he left the company shouldn't be remembered, but it'd be idiotic to have him JOBout when he returns. He's a main eventer, and much needed over on Smackdown!

Heyman
12-20-2004, 11:35 PM
I'd say A, but not with open arms. The way he left the company shouldn't be remembered, but it'd be idiotic to have him JOBout when he returns. He's a main eventer, and much needed over on Smackdown!

The question is though, would you "punish" him? (since you indicated that you would not bring him back with "open arms").

If the WWE are hell bent on punishing Lesnar, then I say have him MISS Wrestlemania, and debut the day after.

The absolute WORST fucking thing that they could do, is have him job and put him in the mid-cards. That would kill ANY potential of him drawing in the future.

Depending on which show Lesnar goes to, I'd have Cena or Orton turn heel (citing jealousy reasons). Both Cena and Orton are better as heels anyways (IMO). Of course - you'd have to see how the fans react though. If the fans turn on Lesnar, then the heel turn for Orton/Cena (due to Lesnar's arrival) should not happen.

Zen v.W.o.
12-20-2004, 11:36 PM
I have no problem with Brock leaving the business for wanting to try his shot with the NFL. But what I do have a problem with is why he felt the need to insult the wrestling fans and the business itself with some of the things he was saying. To me he is just a guy who takes things for granted. I truly doubt he loves wrestling, and therefore I dont appreciate the man. I dont care how much talent he may have.
But he can be good for business, so I think they will re-sign him. I could care less if they dont, but they will. You do what is best for business, never try and make anyone look like shit. Why bring Brock back just to punish him? That does no good at all. Vince is running a business, and he wants his guys to come across to the fans in the best way possible. So making him look bad as a way to get him back for many negative previous comments is piss poor decision making.

He will be back and will be pushed as a top heel I believe, after the initial face pop, which he may actually get. Hell even HHH got one on his return a few years back.

Heyman
12-20-2004, 11:38 PM
I have no problem with Brock leaving the business for wanting to try his shot with the NFL. But what I do have a problem with is why he felt the need to insult the wrestling fans and the business itself with some of the things he was

What sort of things did he say exactly?

Innovator
12-20-2004, 11:40 PM
They can bring him back as a heel or a face. Face, have him face up leaving, admit he made a mistake. Heel, play up how he left.

Either way WWE shouldn't pretend what didn't happen...didn't happen. If they are gonna job him, have him build up someone new, maybe he can help bring Shelton or Charlie up to the next level.

Heyman
12-20-2004, 11:48 PM
One thing I *DO* worry about, is that WWE Management does seem stupid/immature enough to de-push Brock Lesnar as punishment. :foc:

WWE Mangement (and a lot of the wrestlers) really come across as immature dickheads at times........kinda like certain posters on the casual forum. :shifty:


Remember when Billy Kidman was apparently (from what I heard) "punished" on Smackdown for not wanting to do a "sex" type angle with Torrie on television? As result - Torrie was put in sexual scenerios with other guys (around the time when Billy Gunn, Noble, Nidia, and Torrie had 4-way).

The whole Hardcore Holly/Renee Dupree thing is also a fucking joke (yeah, and I realize that Dupree brought it on himself to a degree).

Test being fired while injured was a joke.

The whole alliance angle was a joke. The ECW/WCW alumni stars not being fairly pushed within the WWE is a joke in my opinion (RVD?!?!?!?!).


For these reasons (amongst others), I worry that the WWE will piss away Brock Lesnar if they bring him back. :nono: Lets hope I'm wrong.

Zen v.W.o.
12-20-2004, 11:50 PM
What sort of things did he say exactly?


Are you attempting to make me look it all up? Basically he seemed embarrassed about where he was coming from. That's the feeling I got from him.

Gouda
12-20-2004, 11:50 PM
They can't bring him back as a face. No way. He's going to get booed on return no matter what.

Anyways, I'd welcome him and stick him in the Smackdown main events. I wouldn't punish him on TV. Maybe backstage have Bradshaw feel him up in the shower or something.

James Steele
12-20-2004, 11:53 PM
They need to bring him back and put him in the main event spot, but I think they should be careful not to put the belt on him, but I think if he wants to come back and comes back with more class than in which he left, sure, but make sure he doesn't bring Sable back with him.... :shifty:

I do want to make it clear that Vince and Co. need to be very cautious about bringing him back in, but if he really wants to come back, than its good for both Brock and the WWE.

I think that if they can get him back soon enough, have him return IN the Royal Rumble match and let him win it. I don't think it would be the smartest thing considering doubts about Brock's passion for wrestling, but they could then have him get hype as both RAW and SmackDown! both try and get him to sign to be in their main event match for WrestleMania.

Heyman
12-20-2004, 11:55 PM
Are you attempting to make me look it all up?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm suggesting!

Now be a good boy and go do some research. You have until 9:00 p.m, December 24, 2004, to find your results. Failure to comply with my request, will result in a drop of *IPP* status. ;)

Heyman
12-20-2004, 11:57 PM
I know many will disagree with this, but I'd much rather see Lesnar go to RAW. Smackdown would get compensation obviously.

After WM, I'm intrigued with the idea of having Lesnar go to RAW straight up for Triple H.

Zen v.W.o.
12-21-2004, 12:02 AM
Yes. That's exactly what I'm suggesting!

Now be a good boy and go do some research. You have until 9:00 p.m, December 24, 2004, to find your results. Failure to comply with my request, will result in a drop of *IPP* status. ;)

Yes, Mr. Heyman. :y:

I'll get right on that!

James Steele
12-21-2004, 12:02 AM
Brock Lesnar v. Triple H is a modern-day dream match.

Not to mention that it could actually draw, but I think they should build it up for a long time, but that would be next to impossible in today's WWE.

Hired Hitman
12-21-2004, 12:47 AM
In all fairness, I have no respect for Brock, if he didn't like wrestling why didn't he just leave at the start before people started to laydown for him to walk on. Like Zen v.W.o. said, Brock took it all for granted.

but I would bring him back, not with open arms, but with a handshake and a 2nd chance.

mike627
12-21-2004, 12:50 AM
I hope Lenser comes back,man but I do not know what show he should be on.

Gouda
12-21-2004, 12:57 AM
I know many will disagree with this, but I'd much rather see Lesnar go to RAW. Smackdown would get compensation obviously.

After WM, I'm intrigued with the idea of having Lesnar go to RAW straight up for Triple H.

Oh, if it's with compensation then I agree Lesnar would be better on Raw since you'd get to see new stuff.

However, knowing the WWE, if they put him on RAW, Smackdown would not get any compensation at all. Really, he's technically not part of the Smackdown roster anymore so they have no reason to compensate Smackdown if he shows up on Raw.

Mr. Nerfect
12-21-2004, 01:30 AM
Oh, if it's with compensation then I agree Lesnar would be better on Raw since you'd get to see new stuff.

However, knowing the WWE, if they put him on RAW, Smackdown would not get any compensation at all. Really, he's technically not part of the Smackdown roster anymore so they have no reason to compensate Smackdown if he shows up on Raw.

I too like the idea of Lesnar on RAW, but right now I actually like the idea of him on SmackDown! (choosing it over RAW so to speak). I'd have him debut the night after the Rumble, by F-5ing random guys on the double-taping of RAW and SmackDown!. Then have his biggest one the F-5 on The Big Show. Then at WrestleMania 21, the two can have a short match which Lesnar wins (both are built-up as WWE Championship worthy faces). The Big Show then gets traded to RAW for Shawn Michaels and Chris Jericho, both of whom Lesnar feuds with leading up to Lesnar vs. Jericho at Summerslam.

From there on we have teases for Lesnar vs. Triple H at WrestleMania 22. We see the match, which Lesnar wins cleanly, before making the jump to RAW.

Heyman
12-21-2004, 08:17 PM
Ok,

Assuming that Lesnar goes BACK to Smackdown.

-Lesnar makes a surprise entry at the Royal Rumble and wins.

-The WWE does a good job in pushing Lesnar as a face (i.e. pushes him such a way that the fans don't care that he left for the NFL).

-Lesnar faces JBL at Wrestlemania and defeats him (before this however, JBL gets a few clean victories over established wrestlers).



After Wrestlemania however............(assuming that Lesnar is 'over' as a face), Cena gets jealous over Lesnar's popularity. Cena begins his heel turn.......which leads to a match between the two at Summerslam.

Savio
12-21-2004, 08:24 PM
They should have JBL Say (After cheating to beat Angle) "I've beatin them all so now it is proven I am the best champion of all time!" Brock music hits then he runs out and F-5s JBL.

Besides JBL did get a clean win.........against spike.

Heyman
12-21-2004, 08:31 PM
They should have JBL Say (After cheating to beat Angle) "I've beatin them all so now it is proven I am the best champion of all time!" Brock music hits then he runs out and F-5s JBL.

Besides JBL did get a clean win.........against spike.


Wow. A good idea from Savior. I'm literally speechless! :P ;)

I like the idea of that. Between now and say......the February PPV, have JBL defeat Big Show, Kurt Angle,........and then Undertaker (at the February PPV).

The day after the February PPV, is when your scenerio can come into effect. That should be enough time to build the feud between JBL and Lesnar.

If there's one guy that the fans will DEFINITELY cheer against, its JBL. That helps the WWE's cause if they want to push Lesnar as a babyface.

If Lesnar goes up against someone like Angle however, the fans might turn on him.

mike627
12-21-2004, 09:05 PM
Wow. A good idea from Savior. I'm literally speechless! :P ;)

I like the idea of that. Between now and say......the February PPV, have JBL defeat Big Show, Kurt Angle,........and then Undertaker (at the February PPV).

The day after the February PPV, is when your scenerio can come into effect. That should be enough time to build the feud between JBL and Lesnar.

If there's one guy that the fans will DEFINITELY cheer against, its JBL. That helps the WWE's cause if they want to push Lesnar as a babyface.

If Lesnar goes up against someone like Angle however, the fans might turn on him. I like both your ideas. :yes: Then JBL will come back w/ alot of anti-Brock ads like he against Eddy.

Corkscrewed
12-21-2004, 09:12 PM
Frankly, I don't think they should bring him back at all, given his behavior.

But of course, the WWE doesn't think like me at all, so if they did, the best bet would be to go ahead and push him as a heel monster, sort of bitter and vengeful... but not super pussy. It'd be a slightly tweaked version of the heel he played before he left the WWE.

Heyman
12-21-2004, 09:40 PM
Frankly, I don't think they should bring him back at all, given his behavior.



Really?

Even though Lesnar can contribute to making RAW or Smackdown a better show? Even though Lesnar could potentially increase ratings? (he's one of the few bonafide main-eventers left in the world today who ISN"T passed his prime/retired......or isn't too green).

The Rock left the WWE for another career in Hollywood. The Rock's departure from the WWE has had a negative impact on ratings (one can argue).

Steve Austin left the WWE in 2002 (just walked right out).

If the WWE can pardon The Rock and Austin, then why can't they do the same to Lesnar?

Mr. Nerfect
12-22-2004, 12:55 AM
Personally, I believe the WWE will eventually put Heyman back on their SmackDown! writing team, and give Lesnar a space on their roster again.

They have too much to gain from this scenario not to do it. Well maybe not the Heyman part, but Lesnar is almost certain, IMO.

As for what to do with Lesnar, I say put him on SmackDown!. Have Brock choose SmackDown! just to make it look better. Then have them book Lesnar vs. JBL for the WWE Title at WrestleMania 21, and Triple H vs. Randy Orton for the World Heavyweight Championship at Mania. Finally have the winners of those two matches meet up to crown a WWE World Heavyweight Champion. The first-ever in fact. Have Orton win the match (continueing his WrestleMania streak), and actually give him something to lay claim to as the WWE's cocky heel.

RemyRed
12-22-2004, 03:23 AM
I'd choose A. However, I think the best way to bring him back would be the way they brought back The Big Show (pretty much decimating the entire roster, both heels and faces) IMO I think they brought Show back in that way to see what type of reaction the crowd would give him (because when he left he was a heel).

The best time to do this would be in the Royal Rumble, just have him make a surprise run in (from the audience would be best) and just completely decimate everyone in the ring at the time (during the final six) but without eliminating everyone. Then the bookers can see a reaction from the crowd (to choose whether he'll be face or heel) and take it from there. I don't really mind which brand he shows up in as long as he returns and gets placed back in the main event. I mean the WWE would also be making money from his drawing potential so they should just turn the cheek and bring him back.

Heyman
12-22-2004, 03:53 AM
Triple H vs. Randy Orton for the World Heavyweight Championship at Mania. Finally have the winners of those two matches meet up to crown a WWE World Heavyweight Champion. The first-ever in fact. .


Holy shit! :eek:

That idea would OWN beyond belief. :cool:


The winner of JBL/Lesnar vs. the winner of Orton/Triple H. :drool: :drool:

That would seriously be the greatest thing of all-time. In such a scenerio, I would hope that Lesnar would emerge as the Undisputed Champion (or even Orton....I wouldn't mind that either). As we saw prior to Summerslam 2002, the champ would appear on both shows.

Good god that would be great. :y:

The CyNick
12-24-2004, 10:15 PM
Out of the options, "B" is the dumbest, and is the one the WWE will likely go with.

The bottom line with Lesnar is that he's a bigger star than most of the guys in the company, and being off TV for a year, his value will only have increased (because he will seem fresh). Therefore, the only logical thing to do is to push him to the moon (again).

As for the different scenarios, I dont really see any value in a potential match between Lesnar and Orton or HHH. I dont know, it just doesn't spark any interest in me, doesn't seem like a dream match to me. And it certainly wouldn't be the best thing ever, when did Tony Shiavone join TP-dub, and why did the mods let him steal Heyman's ID?

It seems like they are setting Lesnar up for a program with Show, judging by Show jacking his move. And I guess if Lesnar were to F-5 Show for a win at Mania, it wouldn't be the worst way to bring him back (although I have a feeling they will do the opposite). I actually think they should have JBL defend the title against someone from the outside (ie Hogan or Rock), just to give him a major win against a major star and give him some credibility.

Then you have Lesnar chase JBL after Mania. That would provide SD with a new program coming out of Mania. If Lesnar were to grab the title, they could set up a Cena-Lesnar program (maybe even face-face) for next year. Or, they could even consider trading Batista for Cena, and then you could build Cena vs Orton on RAW and Batista vs Lesnar on SD.

As for turning Cena, I wouldn't do that. Cena is hot, probably hotter than anyone in the company, why would you turn him heel? I think we all agree he was better with promos as a heel, but there an old saying about not fixing a wheel that isn't broke.

Nobody should ever say anything against Rock leaving. Rock has been so unslefish during and after his run on top. Anyone who has anything but respect for him is just flat out wrong. Please dont use him int he same breath as guys like Austin and Lesnar.

M-A-G
12-24-2004, 11:41 PM
Lesnar could stay home, f</>uck Sable, mope over his NFL career, and get his calls ignored by me for all I care. He made his bed, let him lie in it.

Jaded-Dragon
12-25-2004, 01:12 PM
Lesnar used the WWE, plain and simple. Not that the WWE has never used anybody, but when someone uses the WWE they are essentially using us, the fans. Brock Lesnar has no passion what-so-ever for wrestling according to him. He also has no respect for wrestling fans, as is clearly shown by the way he refused to sign a fans autograph on a WWE product. I believe his quote was "I'm done with that part of my life."

He needs money and he needs TV exsposure to help keep him famous. Keeping the fact that he did walk out on the company that made him famous completely aside, No, the WWE should not bring him back. Why? I firmly believe that a good 80% of today's wrestling fans are smarks. They know what Lesnar did, they know why he did it, and they know what he said about the fans of WWE afterwards. It is for this reason alone that I completely feel that a return by Brock Lesnar would not be the best thing. If he has no passion for wrestling then why the hell did he partake in it for so long? Why did he walk out at the height of his fame and try to do something else. Is it coincidence?

Brock Lesnar may very well of spoken from the heart when he said football was his true passion. Maybe he should of thought about that before he stepped on everyone's toes though. Perhaps while he was in College? Perhaps before he embarked on his professional wrestling career? Forget him, cut him off and let him go work for TNA or something. If by chance Lesnar could draw some people than I would rather him go to TNA anyway.

Gerard
12-25-2004, 01:51 PM
Seem to remember on bill goldbergs site a link to an article with lesnar back in 1999 or so, he said something along the lines of not taking up professional wrestling because it would be demeaning to him and his accomplishments as an amateur wrestler seeing as thats not scripted. I guess $$ makes people change their tune.

Stickman
12-26-2004, 01:03 PM
If somebody walks out on a high paying job and says bad things about the company and it's customers that person would never get the job back. Why should this be any different? I think this is the perfect opportunity for Vince to say "Fuck you" to somebody that walked out on him.

However, I realize this is wrestling and people quit and get fired and rehired all the time because it's good for business. I think Brock could be good for business even though I have no interest in his character. With that being said it'd be great if Brock made a minimum salary if he did come back.

EHW Director
12-27-2004, 03:14 AM
People are saying something about most of the fans being smarks and that bringing Lesnar in would perhaps be a bad idea because of it? Well what about Goldberg? The estimated 80% or so of fans know that he, too, has no passion or respect for the business, yet he seemed fairly over despite WWE almost seemingly trying to ruin him when they brought him in.

The fact that 80% or so of the fans are smarks, I think, would work in their favor. Imagine the chorus of "sellout" chants he would recieve if he returned. He could be so over as a heel, which I think he has always been better at. I think his character should even play up a bit of an arrogant tune, making it obvious he only came back for some extra money and to beat up some of the other wrestlers. Imagine him out in the ring telling the fans that they aren't good enough, nothing compared to the football fans. That Wrestling isn't a real sport, etc. etc.

This would also work quite well in that ANYONE they wanted to have an instant face push could face him. Similar to how on Raw, Eugene is the instant heel-maker, Lesnar could be the instant face maker. Imagine Lesnar is out cutting a promo on how Wrestling sucks and the fans are stupid, and that football would have been much better, then someone interrupts to defend the sport, the fans? Even someone like JBL could come out and be the hero if they so desired. Or if Cena came out? Imagine the raps he could cut about Lesnar not being good enough for the NFL, and then coming back broke only hoping to make a buck and be welcomed back. Another Undertaker or Big Show feud would have much more meaning. There are a load of possibilities here, so I think it would be a mistake to do anything less than bring him back and push him. Just keep him away from any titles for awhile and have him help put over some other people they may be trying to push, like JBL. If he jobs some to main eventers and keeps him from any titles, that will be a form of punishment, but not so much that he won't be believable as a monster anymore.

Loose Cannon
12-27-2004, 12:29 PM
^^take that out of your sig or I'm deleting all your posts. Against the rules here.

ColdwaVer
12-27-2004, 08:39 PM
For the 234th time, WWE does not need Lesnar. Bringing him back at this point would be a slap in the face of loyal workers, not to mention the fans that Lesnar gave the finger to at WMXX. Yeah, it might have been better if the thing had never happened, but at this point, he's gone, leave him be.

Fox
12-28-2004, 02:58 AM
Really?

Even though Lesnar can contribute to making RAW or Smackdown a better show? Even though Lesnar could potentially increase ratings? (he's one of the few bonafide main-eventers left in the world today who ISN"T passed his prime/retired......or isn't too green).

The Rock left the WWE for another career in Hollywood. The Rock's departure from the WWE has had a negative impact on ratings (one can argue).

Steve Austin left the WWE in 2002 (just walked right out).

If the WWE can pardon The Rock and Austin, then why can't they do the same to Lesnar?

The difference between Rock and Austin's departures from the WWE and Brock's departure from the WWE is the way that they left. Rock left for movies, obviously, but he did it with Vince's approval. I'm sure McMahon would love for Rock to be on the active roster, but he also realizes that Rock can bring the WWE main stream attention (something it's lacking drastically), and Vince makes money by producing some of his films.

Austin, though he did pack his bags and walk, never insulted the wrestling company he left, or the wrestling industry as a whole. He said that he needed some time to cool off and give himself and Vince some time apart. But he was still cordial with WWE, proven in the fact that he did an interview with WWE magazine about WHY he left.

Lesnar ditched the WWE and insulted them in the process. The WWE gave him everything in his first year, and he spit on it by walking out because he was "bored." I even believe I remember interviews after his departure saying that he never loved the wrestling business but did it for the money and for the quick bit of fame. Brock basically revved up his engine and kicked up dust right in the face of the WWE.

It's kind of like the whole fall-back position with girlfriends. Your girlfriend dumps you, goes out with another guy, he dumps her, and she tries coming back to you. Now, they can say all they want that they "regret their previous decision" or that they "tried someone else and realized they weren't as good as you," but either way, you're going to feel animosity from that burnt bridge and will be skeptical of re-building it.

On the other hand, the last thing McMahon wants is to lose a huge name like Brock Lesnar to an up and coming rival like, oh say, TNA. I think he's just making Brock sweat it out a little bit before coming to negotiations. Going back to the girlfriend comparison, the girlfriend who's coming back may be a back-stabbing whore now, but the sex is too good to just turn them away forever.

Mr. Nerfect
12-28-2004, 04:24 AM
The difference between Rock and Austin's departures from the WWE and Brock's departure from the WWE is the way that they left. Rock left for movies, obviously, but he did it with Vince's approval. I'm sure McMahon would love for Rock to be on the active roster, but he also realizes that Rock can bring the WWE main stream attention (something it's lacking drastically), and Vince makes money by producing some of his films.

Austin, though he did pack his bags and walk, never insulted the wrestling company he left, or the wrestling industry as a whole. He said that he needed some time to cool off and give himself and Vince some time apart. But he was still cordial with WWE, proven in the fact that he did an interview with WWE magazine about WHY he left.

Lesnar ditched the WWE and insulted them in the process. The WWE gave him everything in his first year, and he spit on it by walking out because he was "bored." I even believe I remember interviews after his departure saying that he never loved the wrestling business but did it for the money and for the quick bit of fame. Brock basically revved up his engine and kicked up dust right in the face of the WWE.

It's kind of like the whole fall-back position with girlfriends. Your girlfriend dumps you, goes out with another guy, he dumps her, and she tries coming back to you. Now, they can say all they want that they "regret their previous decision" or that they "tried someone else and realized they weren't as good as you," but either way, you're going to feel animosity from that burnt bridge and will be skeptical of re-building it.

On the other hand, the last thing McMahon wants is to lose a huge name like Brock Lesnar to an up and coming rival like, oh say, TNA. I think he's just making Brock sweat it out a little bit before coming to negotiations. Going back to the girlfriend comparison, the girlfriend who's coming back may be a back-stabbing whore now, but the sex is too good to just turn them away forever.

LOL, best anology ever.

I disagree with one thing though. I believe it will be good for Brock Lesnar to go to TNA. It could help boost the effort put into shows by the writing team, and it could prove whether or not Lesnar is a draw. And besides, all Vince needs to do is hand Brock more cash and he'll probably jump back over to Team WWE.

The CyNick
12-28-2004, 02:29 PM
The difference between Rock and Austin's departures from the WWE and Brock's departure from the WWE is the way that they left. Rock left for movies, obviously, but he did it with Vince's approval. I'm sure McMahon would love for Rock to be on the active roster, but he also realizes that Rock can bring the WWE main stream attention (something it's lacking drastically), and Vince makes money by producing some of his films.

Austin, though he did pack his bags and walk, never insulted the wrestling company he left, or the wrestling industry as a whole. He said that he needed some time to cool off and give himself and Vince some time apart. But he was still cordial with WWE, proven in the fact that he did an interview with WWE magazine about WHY he left.

Lesnar ditched the WWE and insulted them in the process. The WWE gave him everything in his first year, and he spit on it by walking out because he was "bored." I even believe I remember interviews after his departure saying that he never loved the wrestling business but did it for the money and for the quick bit of fame. Brock basically revved up his engine and kicked up dust right in the face of the WWE.

It's kind of like the whole fall-back position with girlfriends. Your girlfriend dumps you, goes out with another guy, he dumps her, and she tries coming back to you. Now, they can say all they want that they "regret their previous decision" or that they "tried someone else and realized they weren't as good as you," but either way, you're going to feel animosity from that burnt bridge and will be skeptical of re-building it.

On the other hand, the last thing McMahon wants is to lose a huge name like Brock Lesnar to an up and coming rival like, oh say, TNA. I think he's just making Brock sweat it out a little bit before coming to negotiations. Going back to the girlfriend comparison, the girlfriend who's coming back may be a back-stabbing whore now, but the sex is too good to just turn them away forever.

At least Lesnar did a couple of JOBs on his way out, cant say the same for Austin.

Heyman
12-28-2004, 07:10 PM
http://rajah.com/base/2004/2248

Looks like Lesnar might be heading to Japan. :nono: :mad: :nono: :'(


I don't care what anyone else says, but I'm pissed. REALLY pissed.

The fuck what the rest of the lockerroom thinks. Lesnar was a bona-fide star, and should've been brought back to help ratings (and in my opinion, if the WWE pushed Lesnar the correct way and capitalized on his return pop, he might've been able to draw).

I'm seriously considering not watching wrestling.

:::will probably start watching again in a couple weeks......or not:::: :p


p.s. :foc:

I'm very very upset.

Fuck the WWE.

Buncha fucking morons! :foc:

The CyNick
12-29-2004, 11:15 PM
Dont worry, he'll be at Mania.

Loose Cannon
12-29-2004, 11:17 PM
CyNick, join the Between the ropes chat right now