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Rain Man

12-23-2004, 05:14 PM

Here is the NFC Roster...
NFC Roster (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=nfcroster/04)

And the AFC Roster...
AFC Roster (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=afcroster/04)

The Eagles have the most representation with 9 players... :D And then the Steelers with 6.

Kearse, Dillon, and Big Ben got fucking shafted. I mean I see where you can make the case where Roethlisberger maybe shouldnt of made it because he has a much better offense around him than Brady, but his numbers are better.

And how about Peyton Manning making it... that is such horseshit.. :shifty:

Gonzo

12-23-2004, 05:21 PM

Tiki finally got some recognition.

People get shafted every year unfortunately. Nothing you can really do.

Supreme Olajuwon

12-23-2004, 05:42 PM

I wouldn't say Dillon and Roethlisberger got shafted. They're just in a conference stacked with talent at that position.

3 Bengals made it so I'm happy.

Shaggy

12-23-2004, 05:48 PM

Two Broncos made it so I guess im happy. Its better than none. Of course those two broncos were Bailey and Lynch so there was no question that they would make it.

MoRcHeEbA

12-23-2004, 05:52 PM

I wouldn't really say Kearse got shafted there's some good ends in the NFC.

MoRcHeEbA

12-23-2004, 05:53 PM

I was surprised that Bailey and Lynch both got picked... I thought that Robinson kid on Houston should have made it. :-\ either way like 12 of those starters will probably drop out like always.

Rain Man

12-23-2004, 06:08 PM

I think Lynch just made it cause of his reputation.. I think Rodney Harrison deserved it but hey what can ya do

Jesus Shuttlesworth

12-23-2004, 06:09 PM

I think Lynch just made it cause of his reputation.. I think Rodney Harrison deserved it but hey what can ya doHarrison gets all pro every year but never makes the probowl. Probowl is voted by fans, players, and coaches. All 3 of those fractions do not like Harrison haha

MoRcHeEbA

12-23-2004, 06:12 PM

I like Harrison :( I also am not a huge fan that Green made it, but the RB's in the NFC weren't exactally golden this year. :-\

MoRcHeEbA

12-23-2004, 06:23 PM

does anyone know a site that I can see peppers college stats?

VonErich Lives

12-23-2004, 07:06 PM

yeah, Dillon is fine there are other top RB's in the AFC.

Harrison got shafted, but he always does for the reasons stated.

Could make a case for Ted Bruschi, but not everyone can make it and I can't really argue w/ the players taken ahead of him.

Ben will get ROY,

Supreme Olajuwon

12-23-2004, 07:31 PM

does anyone know a site that I can see peppers college stats?
http://tarheelblue.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/peppers_julius00.html

down at the very bottom. Its kinda hard to read but theyre there

Y2Ant

12-23-2004, 08:25 PM

I was surprised that Bailey and Lynch both got picked... I thought that Robinson kid on Houston should have made it. :-\ either way like 12 of those starters will probably drop out like always.
Dunta got screwed :(

Dre' Bly didn't really stand out much IMO, I would have thought someone like Azumah would get in :o

Jesus Shuttlesworth

12-23-2004, 09:14 PM

Yeah back on that running back thing, AFC is just stacked at that position. If anyone gets hurt though, I'd assume Dillon would be the first tailback to be asked to join.

road doggy dogg

12-23-2004, 09:52 PM

lol Drummond is out for the season and still made it

Aside from Alexander, NFC's RB situation looks weak as hell.

el fregadero

12-23-2004, 10:38 PM

No John Henderson. :'(

Supreme Olajuwon

12-24-2004, 01:33 AM

lol Drummond is out for the season and still made it

Aside from Alexander, NFC's RB situation looks weak as hell.

Dont you be bad mouthing Tiki boy

Innovator

12-24-2004, 01:37 AM

TIKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Triple A

12-24-2004, 03:59 AM

Corey Dillon should have been in instead of Tomlinson.

MoRcHeEbA

12-24-2004, 04:05 AM

yeah cause leading the league in touchdowns isn't deserving :ROLL:

MoRcHeEbA

12-24-2004, 04:07 AM

also Tomlinson = the man

Triple A

12-24-2004, 04:07 AM

Dillon almost leads the league in rushing and he has missed like 2 games.

MoRcHeEbA

12-24-2004, 04:10 AM

how many has Tomlinson missed? who has a better O-line? the AFC is just too stacked if Dillion made it instead of Tomlinson people would have had the same argument.

VonErich Lives

12-24-2004, 04:24 AM

Peter King said he felt Dillon should have gone and LT was voted in because he didn't get voted in last year?

Whatever, one less chance of injury... and before anyone says "no one gets hurt at the pro-bowl"

Pats RB (Edwards I think) great rookie year and career ended and almost didn't walk again after flag football on the beach during the Pro-Bowl weekend.

#1-norm-fan

12-24-2004, 02:57 PM

I was about to ask how the hell Moss doesn't make the pro bowl but apparently he missed more games than it seemed. Still pretty good stats though.

And Roethlisberger not making it in makes sense. There's no way you can make a case for him over Brady, Manning or Brees.

#1-norm-fan

12-24-2004, 02:58 PM

P.S. I never thought I would be sitting here talking about Drew Brees making the pro bowl and how deserving it is.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

12-24-2004, 03:52 PM

if Dillion made it instead of Tomlinson people would have had the same argument.Hey thanks Madden

The Outlaw

12-24-2004, 05:11 PM

Dillon almost leads the league in rushing and he has missed like 2 games.
LT has missed a few as well.

MoRcHeEbA

12-24-2004, 05:16 PM

Hey thanks Madden

:love: :kiss:

BCWWF

12-24-2004, 05:25 PM

Its kind of shitty that Moss didn't make it. He missed two games I think and wasn't 100% in a few more, but when he has been healthy there is no doubt that he has been the top reciever in the game this season. I can't really complain though, he missed too many games. Now he has missed the Pro Bowl twice in the past three years though.

Its also kind of funny how Matt Birk made it, I swear he missed so many games and just got on because of his name.

Gonzo

12-24-2004, 05:27 PM

I think Tiki is the best RB in the NFC given the team he is on.

BCWWF

12-24-2004, 05:29 PM

I think Mewelde Moore

Gertner

12-24-2004, 06:34 PM

wtf at no Harrison or Dillon??????

BCWWF

12-24-2004, 06:45 PM

I'm not sure if I would call Big Ben not making it a shaft or not. In one hand, he is the QB on the best team in the NFL and has had awesome stats, but also there are other QB's that I would say are better players than him. I have heard this years Steelers team compared to the Ravens of Trent Dilfers era, which basically means that the overall team is so good that the quarterback isn't a huge factor. What do you think?

The Outlaw

12-24-2004, 07:20 PM

42 receptions for 671 yards and 11 touchdown is Moss' stats. He's started 11 games. Who do you think he should have made it over?

MoRcHeEbA

12-24-2004, 07:24 PM

your mom

The Outlaw

12-24-2004, 07:29 PM

Leave your sick fantasies out of this, you tit

MoRcHeEbA

12-24-2004, 07:50 PM

also two of Moss's starts he played like 3 downs then hit the bench :p

MoRcHeEbA

12-24-2004, 07:54 PM

also I don't think he should have made the pro-bowl anyway

BCWWF

12-24-2004, 08:37 PM

Like I said you can't really make an argument why he should be there, but when he was healthy early on he was unstoppable. Next year.

Gonzo

12-24-2004, 08:44 PM

Yeah why is there even a discussion about Moss?

BCWWF

12-24-2004, 08:50 PM

Because he missed three games altogether and in about three more played three snaps and still had 11 touchdowns. Because when he was healthy he was the most dangerous player in the league. Because teams had to change their total defensive schemes in order to guard him. Because when he was healthy the Vikings were 5-1 and since they have been 3-6.

Gonzo

12-24-2004, 08:55 PM

So, thats nothing new. He didn't play enough and didn't put up usual Moss numbers because of that. Plain and simple. So he didn't make it this year, big deal.

The Outlaw

12-24-2004, 09:15 PM

So, thats nothing new. He didn't play enough and didn't put up usual Moss numbers because of that. Plain and simple. So he didn't make it this year, big deal.
Word. He still isn't healthy...

BabyHugger

12-25-2004, 01:25 AM

I think it DIllon was shafted the most. He has had a spectacular year, but I htink being on a team that is considered a "defensive team" really hurt him. He should have made it instead of LT. TDs are nice, but if you remember Bettis had a game where he had like 1 yd and 3 TDs so I think a better gauge of skill is yardage.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

12-25-2004, 01:41 AM

Well its pretty obvious TO won't be playing..so whos going to take his spot?

Also, a ton of other guys are gonna make the probowl since people won't play because of injuries

el fregadero

12-25-2004, 01:53 AM

Maybe an AFC back will drop and Taylor can go. :shifty:

el fregadero

12-25-2004, 01:54 AM

Actually, forget those shifty eyes, Taylor did deserve to go, if only he had scored more than 2 touchdowns.

road doggy dogg

12-25-2004, 01:57 AM

Yeaaaah I suppose Tiki's good too. I dunno, just seems so weak compared to AFC is all. :o

Hmmmm Owens... I'd say probably Holt is the best choice. 8 TDs, 1100+ yards, 80 catches. I mean, playing on St. Louis is always gonna give great stats, but isn't stats what the Pro Bowl picks are all about anyways?

el fregadero

12-25-2004, 01:58 AM

Receiving numbers seem to be down this year, I guess they're spreading the ball around more or something.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

12-25-2004, 02:12 AM

Yeah Tiki is having a great year. I think its because he changed his off season workout program (I read before this offseason he could barely bench 225 pounds, and the last time he did an upperbody workout was college :eek: ) and he holds the ball different. I don't know, it still looks mad funny how he holds it now. Whatever though, it works.

road doggy dogg

12-25-2004, 02:15 AM

Yeah I guess I'm just like most people and have a hard time shaking off the whole "fumble" label that has been stuck to him. Like even with Fred Taylor, who has been healthy and played like 3 straight seasons or somethign now, still has that whole "Fragile Fred" image stuck in my head. Maybe after this year I'll be convinced that Tiki is the man or somethingg

Jesus Shuttlesworth

12-25-2004, 02:18 AM

haha yeah I guess. I don't know, you said yourself Freds been healthy yet you still consider him "Fragile Fred"..Kinda wierd

I think if Tiki didn't change his running style, and wasn't fumbling, I would be a little more skeptical but that isn't the case.

LoDownM

12-25-2004, 02:50 AM

Like, the entire KC O-Line is on there.

No Holmes though :mad: Granted, he did get hurt after the 6th game or something.

el fregadero

12-25-2004, 02:53 AM

Probably didn't help when Blaylock and Johnson both got pretty good numbers in his absence.

LoDownM

12-25-2004, 03:00 AM

Yeah. It's that O-Line, you could stick a midget behind it, and he'd get 100 yard games every week.

If only we had a defense to match the O-line :(

DrA

12-25-2004, 03:39 AM

It seems to me that you guys are basing who you think is Pro Bowl worthy and not too much on statistics. While stats are a nice thing to look at for consistency and such, they don't really show how good a player really is. A player that had 1,400 receiving yards isn't necessarily better than a player that had only 1,100 yards, especially if the 1,100 yard receiver blocks better than the 1,400 yard one and played teams like the Eagles on the road compared to the 1,400 yard receiver who played San Fransisco at home.

Sure, Corey Dillon is a great running back, but he is also backed up by the best O-Line in the league. He probably wouldn't be having the season he's having if he was playing for, say the Dolphins (look at Clinton Portis: awesome with Denver but not as great when behind Washington's O-Line). LaDamien Tomlison, this year and past years, has been great even if his team is shit. He is also one of the reasons why the Chargers are going to the play-offs; the Patriots probably would be 12-2 even without Corey Dillon.

I also agree with Moss not making the pro bow. Sure, he is one of the best receivers in the league, but he didn't really do a lot to prove that he was one of the four best receivers in the NFC. Mushin Muhammad, with Steve Smith and every Carolina running back out for the season, was the only player the Panthers had to go on, and he helped his team go from being 1-7 to being play-off contenders. Should he be out of the Pro Bowl just because Randy Moss had eleven touchdowns, even though he has only played 60% of the season? Come on.

If anyone was snubbed it would have to be Jevon Kearse, but they already have 34875374354759 Eagles in the Pro Bowl so it evens out ok. Rodney Harrison also should have gone instead of John Lynch. John Lynch hasn't even had that great of a season so I don't know why he's going other than for his reputation.

The Outlaw

12-25-2004, 04:03 AM

Receiving numbers seem to be down this year, I guess they're spreading the ball around more or something.
Negative. With Joe Horn and...somebody else? Getting to 1,000 yards last week, it sets a record for most receivers with over a thousand yards in a season. We still have two weeks as well.

#1-norm-fan

12-25-2004, 05:05 AM

Well its pretty obvious TO won't be playing..so whos going to take his spot?

I VOTE KEYSHAWN!

Y2Ant

12-25-2004, 01:58 PM

How funny would it be if someone else got in instead of Hines Ward, and Ward took TO's spot :love:

Jesus Shuttlesworth

12-25-2004, 02:24 PM

DrA? I guess you never saw Dillon tear shit up in Cinnci when they sucked? Patriots dont have a great line that does crazy work like Denver or KC. Granted they are still good, but saying he wouldn't have a good year on a shitty team is pretty ridiculous. Since that is what he did for his entire career before coming to the Patriots. I am not saying he should have def made the Superbowl, its still debatable between him and Tomlinson though.

Doesn't Kearse only have a few sacks this season? I am sure there is D-Ends having better years then him this year.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

12-25-2004, 02:27 PM

How funny would it be if someone else got in instead of Hines Ward, and Ward took TO's spot :love:Yea that would be pretty funny since Steelers play in the AFC and Eagles are in the NFC

Rain Man

12-25-2004, 02:40 PM

Yea that would be pretty funny since Steelers play in the AFC and Eagles are in the NFC
:lol: .. Take that Y2Ant!!!! How bout that Vikings game.. :p

DrA

12-25-2004, 02:50 PM

Y2Ant

12-25-2004, 03:04 PM

It would be funny if Hines played cornerback and intercepted a McNabb pass intended for a healthy Owens then :mad:

Gay ass Packers :(

Y2Ant

12-25-2004, 03:05 PM

James Hall on Detroit has mad sacks, I forget if he got in or not

Rain Man

12-25-2004, 03:06 PM

It would be funny if Hines played cornerback and intercepted a McNabb pass intended for a healthy Owens then :mad:

Gay ass Packers :(
Its ok my man I have a shoulder for you to cry on.. Even though the Vikings will still make the wildcard.

LOL at the Hines Ward thing.. :kiss:

BCWWF

12-25-2004, 04:41 PM

I can't believe Stima's facts, 225 is so low for an NFL player in any position

VonErich Lives

12-25-2004, 04:51 PM

I can't believe Stima's facts, 225 is so low for an NFL player in any position

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/players/12/06/first_person1213/

• ON HIS OFF-SEASON WORKOUT REGIMEN Before this year I hadn't done upper-body work since I was at Virginia. In May [running backs coach] Jerald Ingram asked me how much I could bench-press. I had no idea. Turns out I could barely bench 225 pounds. It was embarrassing. I started working hard with weights, and the results were immediate. By training camp I was benching more than 325, and I'd added 12 pounds of muscle in my chest and arms.

BCWWF

12-25-2004, 04:56 PM

That is just unbelievable, wow, well no wonder he improved so much, strength is so important to any sports. I don't understand though, don't the Giants have a weight training program? How could they not, they are a football team? Its just weird because usually when you hear how much a pro athlete can lift it surprises you how much it is. For example Tiger Woods can bench over 300. Its also kind of funny because that means that Earl Boykins is stronger than Tiki.

SammyG

12-27-2004, 02:49 PM

Torry Holt Deserves to be in the pro bowl, and what about orlando pace?! i mean my god, just cuz the team isnt doin good doesnt mean the good players have to get screwed over

Rain Man

12-27-2004, 02:59 PM

Torry Holt Deserves to be in the pro bowl, and what about orlando pace?! i mean my god, just cuz the team isnt doin good doesnt mean the good players have to get screwed over
I agree! Marc Bulger was fucked over!

BCWWF

12-27-2004, 03:42 PM

I dunno, I kind of have to trust their picks with linemen, mainly because nobody pays close attention to what they do regularly. Orlando Pace is a big name, but its hard to say how good he played because unlike a WR or QB you don't notice what they do significantly

SammyG

12-27-2004, 03:55 PM

Yeah thats true, but still cmon, he shoulda got voted in. rams-eagles tonight... hopefully the rams show up

The Icon of Elisim

12-27-2004, 04:08 PM

Well the Rams running game was pretty bad so that has got to work against Pace

The Outlaw

12-27-2004, 05:10 PM

Yeah they look at the teams with a really good running game, see Kansas City.

SammyG

12-27-2004, 05:54 PM

If the rams just played steven jackson more, there u have a running game. steven jackson is the future of the franchise

BCWWF

12-27-2004, 07:23 PM

I am kind of surprised that Matt Birk made it, he missed quite a bit of time

Jesus Shuttlesworth

12-27-2004, 07:28 PM

BCWWF

12-27-2004, 07:33 PM

That really surprises me that that pro football teams don't have set weight training programs

VonErich Lives

12-27-2004, 07:46 PM

That really surprises me that that pro football teams don't have set weight training programs

They do, they have strength coaches and such, where they grey area is, is how they train in the offseason. Some teams work requirements into contracts or have off-season training sessions but some players prefer to work on their own and tend to get coaches permission. Typically, it happens when a player doesn't live in the same state he plays and wants to spend more off-season time at home.

KingofOldSchool

01-04-2005, 05:16 PM

I can't believe no one is making an argument for Mushin Muhammed and Jake Delhomme. Muhammed should have made it over Holt (no disrespect to Holt) and Jake should have gotten in over Vick (Vick does not have Pro Bowl worthy numbers, the only thing that got him in was his name).

I think those two were only the major snubs, at least offensively, this year.

Corey could have gotten in, along with Rudi, but once again...too many worthy RB's to choose from the AFC.