how come there's no ROH talk? I mean there's a new freaking champ!

[Dave Youell]

Austin Aries beats Joe after a huge 21 month reign as champ and there's not a dam thing on these boards!

I heard that Joe wants out of ROH and wants to get on TNA and Foley has been pushing him to get with the WWE.

Also at the next ROH it's going to be Foley Vs Joe!!!

[thecc]

Also at the next ROH it's going to be Foley Vs Joe!!!I'm so going to the next ROH show.

[GODSON]

Are you sure Joe wants to get with TNA? ROH fans will commit suicide if that happen. ROH already hates TNA because of the Styles and Daniels situation. The only reason why Joe would consider WWE is because of the money. If Joe went to the WWE, he would be wrestling Spike on Velocity.

[Dave Youell]

Are you sure Joe wants to get with TNA? ROH fans will commit suicide if that happen. ROH already hates TNA because of the Styles and Daniels situation. The only reason why Joe would consider WWE is because of the money. If Joe went to the WWE, he would be wrestling Spike on Velocity.
I'm only going off the rumors i've heard.

And AJ is working some ROH dates again now since the whole RF thing has died down and ROH have distanced themselves for well over a year now.

Chances are Chris Daniels will be working again soon

[juanker]

I don't think Joe would work in WWE, he just doesn't have "the look"

If he went to TNA maybe he could de-throne "TNA's HHH" Jeff Jarret (Although I couldn't see it as we are getting no more new TNA in UK I think)

[Dave Youell]

I don't think Joe would work in WWE, he just doesn't have "the look"

If he went to TNA maybe he could de-throne "TNA's HHH" Jeff Jarret (Although I couldn't see it as we are getting no more new TNA in UK I think)
WHAT?

Who told you that?

Where did you hear we aint getting TNA no more?

I've heard nothing

[Savio]

I thought ROH died.

[Innovator]

oh no Paul, ROH is very much alive and kicking ass

[Innovator]

I couldn't believe Aries beat Joe, considering Joe's reign makes HHH's look like Bob Backlund's 2nd reign.

The Foley-Steamboat confrontations also have added a lot to ROH

[GODSON]

ROH is not for everybody though. I respect ROH wrestlers talent but I don't care about their wrestlers at all. Samoe Joe and Low-Ki is probably their only wrestlers who I would watch on a weekly basis. You have to be a hardcore SMARK to enjoy ROH on a weekly basis. If ROH had a tv show in the US, I probably wouldn't watch it that much like ECW on TNN.

[Dave Youell]

ROH is not for everybody though. I respect ROH wrestlers talent but I don't care about their wrestlers at all. Samoe Joe and Low-Ki is probably their only wrestlers who I would watch on a weekly basis. You have to be a hardcore SMARK to enjoy ROH on a weekly basis. If ROH had a tv show in the US, I probably wouldn't watch it that much like ECW on TNN.
You have to be a fan of wrestling to enjoy ROH.

As ROH is the closest thing to wrestling getting shown nowdays

[Fignuts]

A lot of the wretlers have no pacing whatsoever in their matches though. It just goes from spot to spot. Very little storytelling. There are exceptions, but most of the roster puts on spotfests. Some people like that kind of wrestling. I watch it just because they can do some amazing things, but I just can't compare most ring of honor match to some of WWE's greatest matches.

[mitch_h]

A lot of the wretlers have no pacing whatsoever in their matches though. It just goes from spot to spot. Very little storytelling. There are exceptions, but most of the roster puts on spotfests. Some people like that kind of wrestling. I watch it just because they can do some amazing things, but I just can't compare most ring of honor match to some of WWE's greatest matches.

Have you watched any ROH past 2002? In the beginning they were very sport oriented. Things have changed A LOT since 2002 and now the majority of the matches put an emphasis on storytelling. I would put Joe vs Punk up against a lot of WWE's greatest matches.

I was kind of mixed on Aries winning the title. I mean he really wasn't as deserving as say Homicide, Punk or Danielson. But when I look back at Samoa Joe when he first won the title and he was a nobody... and now look at him. I think Aries winning the title will get him over huge. Plus he is amazing in the ring.

[Innovator]

I think this would be the time for Punk to challenge for the title.

[Gouda]

There is no ROH talk because there is no way of seeing it unless you attend the events.

..... Unless they do have a TV show in America.

[mitch_h]

There is no ROH talk because there is no way of seeing it unless you attend the events.

..... Unless they do have a TV show in America.

You can order the DVDs from their website.

[Corkscrewed]

But of course, you'd have to be a fan or really interested in the first place, and without more public exposure, that doesn't really happen.

So yeah, it's more of a hardcore fan's fed.

Suffice to say, I don't follow up on it at all. :-\

[The One]

Sorry but I never got that much behind Joe. I am a fairly big fan of them, and I certainly respect their work, but for the most part, I tend to agree that truly great wrestling isn't happening in ROH. Alot of great matches, but the moves are only half the battle (and in today's world probably less). There just isn't a way to get ROH over because they don't have the ability to reach large audiences and have solid flowing storylines. Even though I get most of their DVDs there isn't a chance to make a great feud because there isn't enough build up. The fact remains, TNA just went from what I would call an "Indie" Fed to a National Fed. ROH still has a long ways to go.

Here's hoping they can make it to that point some day...but don't hold your breath.

[Rob]

CyNick and myself just spent too much time arguing about ROH for past few days to continue here. I can say maybe it wasn't mentioned though because ROH is minor league. There is room for it and it's great people have something else to watch. It's still the minors though.

And Mick Foley isn't signed to wrestle in any ROH match and probably won't so don't post fake news.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

And Mick Foley isn't signed to wrestle in any ROH match and probably won't so don't post fake news.

Easy on the laying down the law Robert!

[Sting Fan]

First of all I like Aries as the champion. It continues the ROH tradition of using the title to build guys instead of it going to an all ready over worker like say CM Punk or Homicide.

As for where ROH is situated in the grand scheme of things, I dont even consider them a national fed yet. They have a fan base and a little name recognition in the wrestling world but until they pick up a T.V. slot of some kind they can not be regarded as a national fed. However I do think ROH is going the right way about building up as they are not overstepping there boundarys so they probably have more of a future than TNA.

As for Joe my bet would be on him ending up in NJPW and still working ROH when available, I would say WWE is a very slim chance and TNA probably even less of a chance right now.

[Loose Cannon]

CyNick and myself just spent too much time arguing about ROH for past few days to continue here. I can say maybe it wasn't mentioned though because ROH is minor league. There is room for it and it's great people have something else to watch. It's still the minors though.

And Mick Foley isn't signed to wrestle in any ROH match and probably won't so don't post fake news.

lol, yeah I saw the discussion. I need to join those boards. I keep forgetting to sign up.

[Mr. JL]

What is ROH's financial status? I have never really heard of anything.

I know TNA is in the HOLE.
WWE is still making millions but their profits have decreased a fair bit.

[Rob]

Easy on the laying down the law Robert!

Who's laying down any laws? I don't tell you what to do so quit trying to tell me what to do.

[YOUR Hero]

haha, never even heard of ROH. Are they based in the USA?

[The CyNick]

lol, yeah I saw the discussion. I need to join those boards. I keep forgetting to sign up.

That place has its ups and downs, like everywhere I guess. But a lot of times its pretty dead. Every now and then we get soemthing decent going. But there are a lot of idiots over there.

Still though, you should join, more intelligent people is always a good thing.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

First and foremost, very happy for Austin Aries. Hell of a worker, and is one of the more talented indy guys out there. Though, as was said, I would have prefered Danielson to get the title.

Also, I agree with the earlier post that said ROH uses their world title to build up guys, as opposed to giving it to over guys. It's a bit of a double edged sword depending on how long they let someone held the belt though. It's a great thing for Austin, Joe held the belt for quite some time and had a very credible reign, now there's a problem though. Austin can't have the same style reign or the fans will tire of him, at the same time if he drops the belt too soon, it loses credibility. It'll be interesting to see how they have his reign run it's course.

[Loose Cannon]

That place has its ups and downs, like everywhere I guess. But a lot of times its pretty dead. Every now and then we get soemthing decent going. But there are a lot of idiots over there.

Still though, you should join, more intelligent people is always a good thing.

yeah, I ran into some of those idiots in the BTR chatroom during the show. ROH came up and well....let's just say some of those guys probably still believe ECW is alive and well.

And I love the guys on there who think the WWE should hire them as bookers.

[Dave Youell]

And Mick Foley isn't signed to wrestle in any ROH match and probably won't so don't post fake news.
I got that Info from wrestleview.

Foley issued a challenge to Joe, Joe excepted and then turned on Foley. Just going off the info I got

[Dave Youell]

Finacially, as I understand it ROH doesn't make any money of the shows themselves, they have to fall back on DVD and Tape sales to make up the profit margins. But the crowds are getting bigger for ROH so maybe that's starting to edge of, I think they have had a few crowds over a thousand in the last year.

I would asume that they make money or at least break even as I don't think they would of survived for as long as they could given there size

[Sting Fan]

Well seeing as they dont seem to have any huge financial backer its probably a safe thought that they must at least break even somewhere. But as has been said they have quite a cult following both at there shows and on DVD and video, I would imagine that there DVDS and videos make a lot more than there shows because the demand for them seems very high and a lot of guys just endlessly pimp them on quite a few boards all over the net.

[juanker]

WHAT?

Who told you that?

Where did you hear we aint getting TNA no more?

I've heard nothing

Sorry for the late reply :D

I read that on another message board, it said something like TNA will not be showing any more new shows in UK due to contract negotiations.

If you have watched TWC recently they have been repeating the AJ Styles vs Jeff Hardy show for the past few weeks

[Mr. JL]

^^HOLY SHIT

dangeroUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSS!

Kazarian is lucky he did not break his neck

[Mister Sinister]

Yeah, it's his own fault, really, he didn't really know how to take the move, but if I'm not mistaken, it did knock him out of action for a few months

[Mr. JL]

Wow. Earns my respect. Especially since he dared to take the Styles clash ....again

... from the top of the Ultimate X ropes.

[Rob]

haha, never even heard of ROH. Are they based in the USA?

Case and point right here. Wrestling fan (or former one, I dunno) online who hasn't heard of ROH. Shows how big they really are.

[Sting Fan]

Like I said earlier I'm not a ROH mark, I follow there results but only have one DVD of theres so I'm not fighting this out of loyalty to ROH or anything but what does one guys not knowing about ROH prove? No offense Rob but for every guy like Hero I could show you whole forums where the guys are so hardcore about ROH that it is all thats ever talked about.

BTW I dont think ROH isnt as great as it is cracked up to be, it is good no doubt and I think they have a really good mix of entertainment and wrestling right now but a lot of guys sat there is a MOTYC at every show but a lot of the time I just dont think it is that good. That being said however if you are looking for entertainment and not production values a lot of the times they make WWE PPVs look like shit.

[Krypton Knight]

^^HOLY SHIT

dangeroUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSS!

Kazarian is lucky he did not break his neck

Well, that's the only time I've seen a Styles Clash that looked like it hurt. :D And that was pretty sick.

[LK]

If you have watched TWC recently they have been repeating the AJ Styles vs Jeff Hardy show for the past few weeks
Wasn't that the match where the ROH crowd were totally ripping into Hardy. Chanting stuff like we want Matt.

As for ROH I watched a bit of it on TWC and while I have enjoyed a couple of matches (Williams vs Daniels, Styles vs Low Ki vs London and I think The Briscoe Brothers vs Amazing Red and Styles), I just cannot get to interested in them. There are no doubt great wrestlers on their shows. I just couldn't get really interested in it.

[Mr. JL]

Ring oF Honor + Paul Heyman = ???


Ring oF Honor has some of the best WRESTLING matches around

I find they just do not have the compelling storylines and characters to make people beyond just the wrestling purists,... feel emotionally attached.

Insert Paul Heyman to fill that void and I predict some BIG things for ROH in the future.

[foodstampchamp]

A lot of the wretlers have no pacing whatsoever in their matches though. It just goes from spot to spot. Very little storytelling. There are exceptions, but most of the roster puts on spotfests. Some people like that kind of wrestling. I watch it just because they can do some amazing things, but I just can't compare most ring of honor match to some of WWE's greatest matches.

You really have no clue about Ring of Honor. There is maybe one spotty match per card these days and 99% of the rest of the card is better than the horseshit you see on Mondays and Thursdays.

[Dave Youell]

Wasn't that the match where the ROH crowd were totally ripping into Hardy. Chanting stuff like we want Matt.

As for ROH I watched a bit of it on TWC and while I have enjoyed a couple of matches (Williams vs Daniels, Styles vs Low Ki vs London and I think The Briscoe Brothers vs Amazing Red and Styles), I just cannot get to interested in them. There are no doubt great wrestlers on their shows. I just couldn't get really interested in it.
No he's talking about the TNA, but yeah they showed that ROH match a while, poor Hardy :(

[Rob]

Like I said earlier I'm not a ROH mark, I follow there results but only have one DVD of theres so I'm not fighting this out of loyalty to ROH or anything but what does one guys not knowing about ROH prove? No offense Rob but for every guy like Hero I could show you whole forums where the guys are so hardcore about ROH that it is all thats ever talked about.


I doubt that somehow. Hero (for example) is one of many who can be counted who stopped watching wrestling after the Monday night wars ended. It was something like 12 million people who were no longer watching wrestling a year after the buy out. ROH barely get 1000 a show on their best days. You can probably show me a forum where ROH is all that's talked about. But I'd bet no more than 100 tops are involved in that convo.