HBK Heel turn??

[JeremyTB29]

I wonder if HBK will turn Heel at New Years revolution. We all pretty much know HHH will walk out of the chamber as champ and I can't see how HBK would count 1-2-3 for HHH unless he turns heel. With Batista turning face soon, HHH will only have Flair in the group and Flair is no longer much of a threat.

My prediction is it will come down to HHH vs Batista and as Batista sets up for the powerbomb , HBK will nail him with the SCM and HHH will go for the pin but Batista kicks out. HHH then hits the pedegree but again Batista kicks out, but HHH hits another pedegree and this time Batista is unable to kick out.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I wouldn't mind an HBK heel turn, but after all that built up animosity between HBK and HHH (storyline-wise, I'm talking), it would make just about negative sense for them to join forces. To quote Desi Arnez, the writers would 'have a lot of 'splainin to do'.

[JeremyTB29]

True but HBK counting the 3 count for HHH wouldn't make much sense either and I wouldn't buy the "He had no choice" excuse.The hatred storyline wise is so deep that HBK would never count 3 for HHH. But if you noticed last monday, Jericho was the only 1 who seemed happy about HBK being the ref. Maybe they are in cahoots and Jericho will shock the world and walk out of the chamber as champ :-)

[Anybody Thrilla]

Michaels would be a fair referee because he's a man of God or something, I dunno. Either way, no matter what happens, Jericho will NOT walk out as the champion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, Jericho has a bit of a respect thing going on with HBK right now, but it makes you think, when Bischoff said "No one will be happy about it.", maybe he has something up his sleeve with Jericho, after all, at first Y2J seems happy with it. But then, again, does another feud with HBK sound promising? Did they ever have their blowoff match?

I personally think HBK helping Edge win would be interesting. Michaels can then come out and say he did screw Edge out of his shot, and Edge's time was then, and HBK hogged the spotlight.

Anyway, this Chamber they have a chance to do something new. I say give the title to Jericho, it porbably/almost certainly won't happen, but I have a hunch. A very strong hunch, that he will be the MVP again, maybe next to Batista. What's the bet that HBK helps Orton or Batista win (if they go with a new champion, rather then re-instating the former champ), saying he may not like them, but he hates Triple H. HBK helping Batista win because he knows it will destroy Evolution, make Triple H vulnerable, and give him the punishment of facing a pissed of Batista seems likely at this stage.

[Anybody Thrilla]

A Batista win would be orgasmic.

[Evolution]

Or maybe he will count 3 for HHH but will hesitate. Like when Austin did in the 6-Pack match at Unforgiven 1999. As Austin nailed Bulldog with a chair, HHH hit a Pedigree on Rock. Austin saw, hesitated, counted to 3. He raised HHH's hand, HHH pulled away and celebrated with the belt in Austin's face, BAM! STUNNER! BAHGAWD STUNNER! BIG MISTAKE CHAMP!

Maybe we see something similar here. Same scenario, but a SCM instead of a SCS. Then we get HBK/HHH at Rumble for the title. HBK wins, Orton wins Rumble, Orton beats HBK at WM21.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Or, like when Shawn Michaels counted 3 for Bret Hart over the Undertaker at SummerSlam 97. He hesitated and looked him right in the eye before slapping the mat the third time.

[John la Rock]

I've been waiting for HBK to turn heel since 2002. Would be a good time

[mike627]

I see this match ending like this: HBK gets knocked out and another ref makes the count.

[Volchok]

I was gonna say somthing about this but I totally went blank... i'll write it later...

[The Naitch]

True but HBK counting the 3 count for HHH wouldn't make much sense either and I wouldn't buy the "He had no choice" excuse.The hatred storyline wise is so deep that HBK would never count 3 for HHH. But if you noticed last monday, Jericho was the only 1 who seemed happy about HBK being the ref. Maybe they are in cahoots and Jericho will shock the world and walk out of the chamber as champ :-)

no, it's because Jericho is a face (a #3 or #4 face at that). Plus management probably told him to smile

[Astley316]

Remember when HBK was the ref in the bret-taker match, he hated bret but he had no choice to count the three

[The Answer]

I wonder if HBK will turn Heel at New Years revolution. We all pretty much know HHH will walk out of the chamber as champ and I can't see how HBK would count 1-2-3 for HHH unless he turns heel. With Batista turning face soon, HHH will only have Flair in the group and Flair is no longer much of a threat.

My prediction is it will come down to HHH vs Batista and as Batista sets up for the powerbomb , HBK will nail him with the SCM and HHH will go for the pin but Batista kicks out. HHH then hits the pedegree but again Batista kicks out, but HHH hits another pedegree and this time Batista is unable to kick out.

Where have I heard this before(Or something quite similiar)

I doubt it.Batista has to break out now rather then later.I saw have Batista and HHH being the last two left in the chamber then have HBK sweet chin music Batista and have HHH pin him.This boots Batista out of Evolution and keeps Evolution alive.HHH,HBK,Flair By DeadManwalkin ;)

[tucsonspeed6]

True but HBK counting the 3 count for HHH wouldn't make much sense either and I wouldn't buy the "He had no choice" excuse.The hatred storyline wise is so deep that HBK would never count 3 for HHH. But if you noticed last monday, Jericho was the only 1 who seemed happy about HBK being the ref. Maybe they are in cahoots and Jericho will shock the world and walk out of the chamber as champ :-)

You're right about the HBK/HHH thing. WHy were we forced to watch the feud of a thousand matches for the last two years if it all sums up to "I went away for a while and now I'm back to be your friend!" It makes no sense, and nobody on the WWE staff would be stupid enough to even try to book such nonsense. ANd the smile Jericho was making was the Jericho smirk. Remember when Steph would try to make fun of him, but instead of getting pissed off he'd just sit there and smirk? It's the same one. Try not to read into this so much.

Oh, and...

[2005]
A Batista win would be orgasmic.
[2004]
An Orton win would be orgasmic.
[2000]
A HHH win would be orgasmic.

I'm not saying that you, Thrilla, would actually say that. I have no idea who you like or used to like, but your post made me think about how people's opinions change over the years.


And as a final note to everyone here, it's not a give in that HHH will win. Suggesting that would, in fact, suggest that there wasn't a single chance that one of the other five guys had a chance. HHH winning a single's bout? Sure. A triple threat? Why not...it'd draw. But having him come out of a six man mega gimmick match makes me wonder, why the buildup for the past three weeks? Why have Raws where we have Beat the clock and three individual singles bouts right after one another? It's to make the opponents appear as though they'd be possible candidates for the championship. In each match, the winner was either somebody who HASN'T been champ, or had an all too brief championship in the case of Orton. Batista beat Benoit to prove that he could have at one time if given the oppertunity, won the championship. The same with Edge beating the once Undisputed Champion. Once you make a setup like that, the WWE bookers can safely say, "Yes, I'm sure that the fans will accept this man as the next champion." And after that, it's a case of who will be a bigger draw as the champ.

Looking at possible storylines, we know that the Orton story didn't take flight as well as the WWE would have liked it to. It wasn't bad. It just didn't get traction. How stupid would they be to do the exact same thing to their newest pet? Now they'd have two failed storylines and two new faces that they wouldn't have anything to do with. Batista's out. Having him win would further the story between himself and HHH, but HHH is still in a feud with Orton. No man can have two feuds at once, so expect this feud to erupt later. Being the last man out, expect to be surprised as Batista stays loyal to his leader and in fear of the same thing happening to him as what happened to Orton, he loses the match. We'll later find out that he threw the match so HHH could have another chance at the title.
Orton? If they wanted him to become champ again so soon, they might have just left the title on him. Expect him to chase it more...maybe win the Royal Rumble.
HHH? He's got bigger fish to fry. Orton will screw him out of his chance by giving him an RKO, and Michaels will give him the go ahead by counting fast.
Jericho? Puh. He's got more midcarders to job to.
Benoit? Well, I have to say, he probably would be in the last two. But for all this to do about the title, they damn well better give it to a Heel. If they give it to him when they could have just as easily have used this time to build up a normal feud between himself and HHH, why didn't they? The "Vacated championship" is supposed to be used to translate between one heel to another or a face to a face. That leaves Edge. I know there's a million reasons for why he shouldn't win the title, but my gut's with him.


Either that, or all 6 guys knock each other out in a huge "CrossspearpowerwallspediRKfacebombgreeOof Jericho" and then David Arquette wiggles in through the chains and pins Shawn Michaels who then counts himself out for a three count. "Not likely!" you say....but we're talking about the greatest booking minds in all of wrestling here. Don't mock them, lest you face their tremendous wisdom....of doom.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Remember when HBK was the ref in the bret-taker match, he hated bret but he had no choice to count the three

He had no choice but to count the fall only because he would've been unable to wrestle in the United States if he showed any bias towards The Undertaker. That stipulation would make no sense now.

[Heyman]

HBK won't turn heel. He MIGHT screw Edge over, but that's about it (it serves as a pretext in eliminating Edge....without making him look weak as a main-eventer).

-I'm guessing that Orton or Triple H will end up winning. Benoit and Jericho aren't likely to win, while the WWE will probably build Batista a little more before giving him the title.

My guess is that Triple H will eliminate Batista, only to have Batista screw over Triple H (causing Orton to win the title).

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm starting to think Jericho will win. He'd be the only man to be in all three never to win one if he doesn't. Not that that matters, it's just something to think about.

Jericho's infamous in the WWE for winning titles out of nowhere. This includes World Championships (he's held three in the WWE), he's over with the crowd, and he's probably the most reliable guy on the roster. I can easily see him winning and defending the title against Triple H at the Royal Rumble, probably losing the title so we can see Triple H vs. Batista at Mania.

[Shaggy]

I was waiting for HBK to turn heel for the longest time since hes return. I remember at one point he was actually getting booed and he sorta acted like a heel. But quickly WWE changed it for some reason.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Do you think a triple-turn would be nice here? HBK sold out to Eric Bischoff, and made the Elimination Chamber the first-ever seven man Elimination Chamber. Edge defeats Triple H to win the World Heavyweight Championship (or Randy Orton, or Batista, or Benoit, or Jericho), and celebrates, Sweet Chin Music. 1-2-3! Shawn Michaels is the bah-gawd two-time World Heavyweight Champion!

It would be stupid at first, but if you had HBK turn real friendly towards Eric Bischoff and openly come out and say he did the boss some favours to get the shot, you could potentially turn HBK into a slime ball, while Edge fought through Hell to win his championship. Edge then faces Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania 21, defeats Shawn and HBK then proceeds to actually shake Edge's hand.

It probably wouldn't work, but it's an idea.

[Corkscrewed]

I'm using WWE Writer logic here, but an HBK heel turn makes so little sense that they'll probably do it.

Or, if you go with some of the stupid, frustrating moves they've done before, they'll prolly have Batista lay down, and the next night, they're all friendly like this was all one elaborate plan.

However, my gut feeling is that they give it back to HHH after he pins either Jericho or Benoit. I think he'll go after Batista sometime after a face has weakened him up, pedigree him out of nowhere, and pin him, thus continuing the feud.

There are a million ways to go with this, many of them good, but I don't think much will change this year compared to the last...

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm using WWE Writer logic here, but an HBK heel turn makes so little sense that they'll probably do it.

Or, if you go with some of the stupid, frustrating moves they've done before, they'll prolly have Batista lay down, and the next night, they're all friendly like this was all one elaborate plan.

However, my gut feeling is that they give it back to HHH after he pins either Jericho or Benoit. I think he'll go after Batista sometime after a face has weakened him up, pedigree him out of nowhere, and pin him, thus continuing the feud.

There are a million ways to go with this, many of them good, but I don't think much will change this year compared to the last...

I actually don't think it is a bad idea to have Batista lie-down. He is a part of Evolution, and it immediately furthers the characters of both Triple H and Batista. They'd need to do Triple H vs. Batista at WrestleMania 21 if they did this, though.

Randy Orton won the World Heavyweight Championship and didn't give it to Triple H. Batista wa sin position to win the title, and he gave it to Triple H. Immediately we know Batista is more loyal to The Game than Orton was. I wouldn't make this all a scheme, though, just have Batista prove his loyalty in the match. Still tease them, but only slightly.

Batista then wins the Rumble (Eliminating Cena and Orton at the same time half-way through the match. I am still huge on this idea.), and goes on to get support from the lockerroom telling Batista to face Triple H at Mania, and not lie-down. Batista seems to shrug a lo of this off, although you can feel the temptation. Eventually, on the night of Mania, preferbly, Ric Flair thanks Batista for doing the right thing at NYR, but this is WrestleMania, and Batista can't lie-down here. Batista begins to breakdown, then he roars and heads out to the ring. Batista then beats Triple H and wins the World Heavyweight Championship.