DISCUSSION - Would it be wise to add "more" to Batista's character if he turned FACE?

[Heyman]

DISCUSSION - Would it be wise to add "more" to Batista's character if he turned FACE?

I probably shouldn't have said, "if" Batista turns face......I probably should've said when....but nonetheless...

Would it be wise to add "more" to Batista's character if he turned face?

Here's an idea that was kind of brewing in my mind:

-Eventually (later this month), Batista fully turns face and breaks away from Evolution. Batista wins the rumble as well.

-After the rumble, Triple H and Flair decide to bring up Batista's past. Remember when Batista initially joined Evolution, Flair mentioned how he came from a "broken home"? Perhaps Flair and Triple H could play up on that?

-Regardless of what the story turns out to be, it could potentially have the following advantages:


A) A new dimension is added to Batista's character. More depth is added to Batista's character.

B) It would get the fans to sympathize with Batista a bit more.

C) The poignant subject of bringing up Batista's past (by Flair and Triple H), could serve as a pretext for Batista acting even more intense in the ring (same intensity that guys like Goldberg and Ken Shamrock displayed?). A 'more intense' Batista would further help his character.

D) More depth and intensity is added to the Triple H/Batista feud.



Of course - the drawback of such an idea, is that it would come across as cheesy. We saw what happened with the "Katie Vick" storyline from a few years ago. :nono:

At the same time, does anyone recall the time when Paul Bearer introduced Kane? Before this time, Paul Bearer kept talking about how Taker had something "to hide" (which intrigued the fans immensely). That particular angle was played off extremely well.



Basically - would attempting to add to Batista's character (i.e. showing a more emotional side of Batista) be a good thing for him (like Taker?)........or a disasterous thing (like with Kane). Would bringing up something in Batista's family be good for storylines? Would it ADD to the Triple H/Batista feud, or would it make it more corny?

[Innovator]

I like Batista the way he is, if you add, or in the WWE's creative dept. attempt to add, depth to his character it can only short change what could be a huge break for the WWE.

If the WWE brings up something like Dave being beaten or tormented/neglected as a child, it could add to Batista's character on why he's so vicous in the ring...but I don't see the WWE actually using these ideas well at all.

[Savio]

<s>Batista learns HHH payed Kane to kill his dog when he was younger.</s> Maybe say he was bullied in elementary school and decided to bulk up. This would let flair and HHH try to get under his skin by bullying him some how. (Pee on the seat of his car for example)

[Nowhere Man]

I dunno. In general, fans don't seem to want to 'sympathize' with a dominant monster face, which is undoubtedly what role Batista will fill. I mean, look at what happened when WWE tried to flesh out Goldberg's persona. To properly book a monster, you have to line up people who the fans want to see this guy obliterate, not spend time musing about his back story.

I do agree that I'd like to see some sort of dimension added to Batista to make him stand out from the Lesnars and Goldbergs and Ultimate Warriors of days gone by, but an angle where the audience is supposed to feel sorry for him isn't the way to do it.

Say, give Batista a specific weakness, a 'kryptonite' that'll stop him dead in his tracks. And get the most hated heel in the company (which will almost definitely be Triple H) to find out how to exploit that weakness. People will (hopefully) pay to see Batista clobber Triple H once and for all, but at the same time they'll be worried that Triple H might take him down. A simple but effective way to build up a main event.

OR....

Maybe they could take the "Rocky Marciano" approach, where Batista accidentally goes too far and severely hurts someone. In the following shows leading to the PPV, Batista will be too afraid to use the full extent of his abilities, and Hunter has a grand old time getting the better of him. Finally, HHH pisses Batista off on the Raw before said PPV, and it gets Batista fired up enough to go all-out on him as the show goes off the air. Again, not the most complicated storyline, and it's been done before, but I think it'd work.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think adding more depth to Batista can only be a good thing, and I've been thinking of ways for months to do this. Here are some ideas I've tossed around before:

Ric Flair and Respect
Say Batista wins the Royal Rumble, this leads to Triple H not ebing too happy with Dave. He tries to talk Batista into laying down (there is no other way out of the match). Triple H can cut promos that make his way sound the most beneficial, so I can really see Triple H bringing Orton into it, and how he now has nothing, not because he isn't talented, but because he jumped the gun.

Basically for weeks you see wrestlers telling Batista to kick Triple H's ass, and how it is the Mania main event and he shouldn't lay down. This all seems to go in one ear and out the other, but on the night of Mania, where Batista is leaning towards jobbing (but we all know he won't), Ric Flair comes into his lockerroom, and tells Batista that no matter how good Triple H is, no matter how powerful Evolution is, for the World Heavyweight Championship in the WrestleMania main event, Batista CANNOT lay down. Maybe go as far as to have Batista get tears in his eyes while Flair is motivating him. Batista goes out, beats Triple H decisively, and walks away with the World Heavyweight Championship.

The next night Triple H tries to get Flair on his side against Batista, but Flair says no and joins Batista. You then have a very strong relationship between Batista and Flair break out. It is so strong tot he point where Batista will fight through 20 guys to help Flair. Base it on respect, and maybe have Flair walk down tot he ring with the World Heavyweight Championship, something Triple H didn't let Flair do.

Batista's Wife
Have it revealed Batista is very much in love with his wife. Basically have Triple H use her against him. Have him pay her to divorce Batista, or have Triple H make a tape of them in the act, and have him show it on RAW.

It sounds a lot like the Katie Vick storyline, but with a real character that can actually talk and is not currently.......dead, it could work out. Something to remember that Batista isn't a monster as such. He's a dominant man, who is able to be hurt. The easiest way to hurt a man like Batista is his emotions. Don't turn him down in the ring (in face tone him up), but have Triple H really play mind games with him.

You could even get to the stage where they backfire on Triple H. Or you can have Batista so some brutal things. Have it revealed that Triple H's mother "fell" down the stairs of her house, and now can't get out of bed. This whole scenario probably sounds really cheesy, but the way I'm picturing has it use these situations to "fuel" Dave Batista in the ring, making him more dangerous.

Disciples of Synn
Have Batista's past the The Demon of the Deep come back to haunt him. Have Kevin Fertig sit in the crowd during one of his matches, have Synn appear backstage as a make-up woman. Have Tyson Tomko smile at Baista when he walks past. At first it would seem like nothing, but as it starts building up, Batista gets darker and darker. He starts getting DQ'd, he starts destroying people after matches. He starts rampaging around the ring when his opponent is down, as if to say "Don't come any closer!".

Maybe have Batista come out with new attire, chains wrapped around his wrists, etc. Just have all this make a few changes to Batista, then finally Tomko and Fertig attack him, and have them reveal they've found a new Leviathan.......Kane! You have Kane's version of the Ministry right there and ready to go.

[The CyNick]

We're not writing a soap opera, this is wrestling KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Make Batista a kick ass face, who get this; actually goes over all the heels!!!! Its a foreign concept, but I've heard its worked in galaxies far far away.

I mean as entertaining it would be to see Batista crying about his Mom and Dad got divorced, I think the "him kicking ass" thing will work just fine.

[Mr. Nerfect]

We're not writing a soap opera, this is wrestling KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Make Batista a kick ass face, who get this; actually goes over all the heels!!!! Its a foreign concept, but I've heard its worked in galaxies far far away.

I mean as entertaining it would be to see Batista crying about his Mom and Dad got divorced, I think the "him kicking ass" thing will work just fine.

That's true, but if you combined both, you could really egt him over as a star (although just having him kick ass could do that).

[Marcyo]

i'm with mind games.

[Heyman]

We're not writing a soap opera, this is wrestling KEEP IT SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Make Batista a kick ass face, who get this; actually goes over all the heels!!!! Its a foreign concept, but I've heard its worked in galaxies far far away.

I mean as entertaining it would be to see Batista crying about his Mom and Dad got divorced, I think the "him kicking ass" thing will work just fine.


I agree with that for the most part, but I think a lil' of the "soapy" stuff could work as well (if booked right). The only concern for something like that, is that it could FLOP just as bad.


In the other thread (the one where you spoke about Austin beating the crap out Bret Hart/Hart Foundation almost each and every week), I think you made a good point:

For a face to LEGITIMATELY get the 'rub' from a top heel, he has to be getting the BETTER of that top heel on most occassions.

So with that being said, what would MOTIVATE Batista to go on a f'cking rampage and try to "take out" Triple H each and every week?


I'm not suggesting that we see a HUGE corny soap opera type deal, but just SOMETHING to further add flames to the HHH/Batista feud.


The Jericho/Christian from last year's WM, is a good example of what I'm talking about. Yeah it had some "soapy" stuff with Trish involved, but it didn't overshadow the entire feud.....it was just a supplement....that made the overall feud more interesting.


Right now - Batista's character seems kinda laid back (unless he's pushed).

With a mini-angle like this, it serves as a pretext in "evolving" Batista's character to a more intense one (or atleast one who is intense almost all the time........which would be better for him?).

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree with that for the most part, but I think a lil' of the "soapy" stuff could work as well (if booked right). The only concern for something like that, is that it could FLOP just as bad.


In the other thread (the one where you spoke about Austin beating the crap out Bret Hart/Hart Foundation almost each and every week), I think you made a good point:

For a face to LEGITIMATELY get the 'rub' from a top heel, he has to be getting the BETTER of that top heel on most occassions.

So with that being said, what would MOTIVATE Batista to go on a f'cking rampage and try to "take out" Triple H each and every week?


I'm not suggesting that we see a HUGE corny soap opera type deal, but just SOMETHING to further add flames to the HHH/Batista feud.


The Jericho/Christian from last year's WM, is a good example of what I'm talking about. Yeah it had some "soapy" stuff with Trish involved, but it didn't overshadow the entire feud.....it was just a supplement....that made the overall feud more interesting.


Right now - Batista's character seems kinda laid back (unless he's pushed).

With a mini-angle like this, it serves as a pretext in "evolving" Batista's character to a more intense one (or atleast one who is intense almost all the time........which would be better for him?).

Maybe Triple H refuses to pay him his $100 dollars from the bet. :shifty:

Anyway, on a completely unrelated note, something like this has been done with The Big Show on SmackDown!, and it has played out quite interesting. It isn't a MAJOR thing, but JBL and Angle have been using Joy's connection with The Big Show as a weapon against each other.

Just having The Big Show come out and Chokeslam Orlando Jordan and the Basham wouldn't nearly be as interesting if The Big Show did it for the sake of it.

On one hand you have The Big Show and Joy as the "puppets" in this little game, but when you look deeper, Mark Jindrak, Luther Reigns, Orlando Jordan and The Bashams have all been affected as well, being used as useless protection by Angle and JBL as well. It probably won't play into anything, but it's just something interesting going on over on the SmackDown! side of WWE programming.

BTW, I am hoping for these things to happen on SmackDown! over the coming weeks leading into the Rumble:

1) I want to see JBL pay single-mother Joy Giovanni (I'm not sure if she is single, but she's been close to The Big Show storyline-wise, and is known to have a kid, so it fits), to say she thinks of Big Show as a big brother, and she's just jumped into things before because she saw protection and safety in The Big Show. She then apologises and tells Big Show he's just too big, and she'd rather be with a man more...regular sized. She somehow makes references to Kurt Angle, just to get Show pissed off in that direction.

Joy accepts because she needs the money, and although she regrets it, she does this, and The Big Show (who can act surprising well) gets upset, and we really see a human side of Show, before he completely annihilates Angle.

2) The Big Show somehow leads JBL's Cabinet and Angle's Protoges against each other. We see beat-downs over thnigs, which we find out in the end are Show's doing.