Do you agree or disagree with the following statements? (WM-21's main-events)

[Heyman]

Do you agree or disagree with the following statements? (WM-21's main-events)


1) JBL vs. John Cena should *NOT* be the last match of the WM-21 card. Cena may arguably be the biggest face in the company, but JBL is not 'over' enough as a main-eventer to warrant such a position. If JBL/Cena is the main-event of WM-21, its going to be a snooze fest! Cena is already EXPECTED to defeat a popcorn fart like JBL. If Cena wins, the reaction and surprise will be "lukewarm" at best.

2) John Cena is better of CLEANLY defeating the Undertaker in a NON-title match at Mania, then he is in beating JBL for the WWE title.

3) Randy Orton should join the Triple H/Batista feud........making it a triple threat match. Triple H vs. Batista by itself won't be very good from a wrestling standpoint.


4) Batista or Orton (whichever guy defeats Triple H for the World title that night), should turn HEEL the very next night. In Orton's case, he can turn heel due to the fact that more people cheered Batista the night before (and in a lot of cases, people boo'd him). In Batista's case, he can talk about how he appreciates the fans support of him of late, but could care less about them. He doesn't want to be their 'savior' or their next 'Rock' or 'Austin'. He could care less if he's their "hero" or not.


5) If Batista stays FACE after Wrestlemania (even if he wins the title), he will fizzle out as a face. Batista is better off being a heel (or a tweener atleast).


6) Triple H should turn face after Wrestlemania. With Triple H as a face, it allows a guy like Edge (or a newly turned Orton or Batista) to be the top heel.

[Savio]

Do you agree or disagree with the following statements? (WM-21's main-events)


1) Yes

2) Yes

3) Yes

4) No, have the other loser turn heel

5) Should stay as a tweener

6) No he should take a year off.

[Enjay]

Do you agree or disagree with the following statements? (WM-21's main-events)


1) JBL vs. John Cena should *NOT* be the last match of the WM-21 card. Cena may arguably be the biggest face in the company, but JBL is not 'over' enough as a main-eventer to warrant such a position. If JBL/Cena is the main-event of WM-21, its going to be a snooze fest! Cena is already EXPECTED to defeat a popcorn fart like JBL. If Cena wins, the reaction and surprise will be "lukewarm" at best.

2) John Cena is better of CLEANLY defeating the Undertaker in a NON-title match at Mania, then he is in beating JBL for the WWE title.

3) Randy Orton should join the Triple H/Batista feud........making it a triple threat match. Triple H vs. Batista by itself won't be very good from a wrestling standpoint.


4) Batista or Orton (whichever guy defeats Triple H for the World title that night), should turn HEEL the very next night. In Orton's case, he can turn heel due to the fact that more people cheered Batista the night before (and in a lot of cases, people boo'd him). In Batista's case, he can talk about how he appreciates the fans support of him of late, but could care less about them. He doesn't want to be their 'savior' or their next 'Rock' or 'Austin'. He could care less if he's their "hero" or not.


5) If Batista stays FACE after Wrestlemania (even if he wins the title), he will fizzle out as a face. Batista is better off being a heel (or a tweener atleast).


6) Triple H should turn face after Wrestlemania. With Triple H as a face, it allows a guy like Edge (or a newly turned Orton or Batista) to be the top heel.

1- I partially agree, however I still believe that if the entire cabinet works to put over John Cena that the surprise win can be made. (I only think they should go this route since it doesn't look like they'll ever make JBL and co. credible)

2- I agree completely, but how it come about and who would be the heel/face?

3- I'd rather they not do a triple threat match, but if they decide to do one I'd prefer it if a Smackdown star won the rumble.

4- Batista should be a tweener. Orton should go face, so yes I agree.

5- Agreed, as there are no heels for him to run through.

6- AGREED. I would love for Triple H to turn face, but should keep his bad ass attitude. The only thing they should change about his character if he goes face is that he can go over people claeanly. I actually think that people would love cheering a non-champion FACE Triple H, even now when his music starts he gets a decent pop.

[Sepholio]

1. Agreed
2. Agreed
3. Agreed
4. Batista should pin Orton for the title, and the next night HHH pulls his I DIDNT GET BEAT CLEANLY GIVE ME A REMATCH shit, then near the end of the match, Orton comes out unexpectedly and and costs HHH the match. Batista then reaches his hand out to shake hands with Orton, putting their past behind them, at which point Orton hits him with the RKO, turning complete heel, leaving Batista as a face, and leading to a match between the two for the title and Backlash.
5. Disagreed, he gets too big of a face pop right now, everyone wants him to be a face, and thats what hes being built as. I think he can draw as the top face, as no one would trust him at first, leaving him alienated and what-not, and having to fend for himself from all sides.
6. HHH should be a tweener, afraid the heel Orton will destroy him, or the face Batista will, which leads to him reuniting with HBK.

[Normal Is Me]

1. Yes, I agree that John Bradshaw Layfield VERSUS John Cena for the WWE Championship should not headline Wrestle Mania 21.

2. No, I'd keep the Undertaker's record in tact for someone who needs it more. John Cena is already over so I don't think it would really matter. Maybe someone like Maven, who can say he's had the Undertaker's number ever since he eliminated him in the Royal Rumble a few years ago.

3. I honestly do not know what they should do. If they did not hot shot this angle and turn Orton face and kill his legend killer gimmick than a Triple H V. Randy Orotn match would have made some good money and buys for WM 21. Instead, they royally fucked that up. Unless, they have Orton face The Rock at Mania I see no other alternative for him but making the World Heavyweight Championship match a triple threat.

4. Again, I do not know. I think they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They have kind of screwed themsleves.

5. Yes, Batista cannot stay face and I agree that I believe he could make it as a tweener.

6. He's been everywhere and he has done everything there is to do. He is OVERUSED and does the same spots in every single match and this is especially noticeable when you watch him in gimmick matches. Nothing new, just the same old recycled crap that he's been doing since 1999.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Here is an idea I just came up with then:

-Triple H defeats Orton at the Rumble with help from Batista and Flair.

-Batista and Flair then do quite well in the Royal Rumble.

-Batista goes off the ropes closest to the entrance for some kind of move, but Batista goes over because somebody low-bridged him. It was Triple H!

-This distracts Flair long enough for a springboard dropkick by Jericho to eliminate him.

-They continue the slow-burn between Triple H and Batista with Triple H explaining that since he retained the title against Orton, Batista didn't need to win the Rumble, and if he did it woul dbe his ego getting the better of him. They then also tease Triple H vs. Flair.

As for the Rumble winner, here is who I would pick:

1. Chris Jericho
Jericho winning would be a surprise, and I think they need that at this year's Rumble. He's over, he can wrestle, he's completely past his prime. If you want to make the most out of Jericho, push him to the top right now.

As for his opponent at Mania, I would choose either Benoit, Orton, Triple H, Michaels or Edge. It seems like a large pack to pick from, but they all follow similiar scenarios. If you choose Triple H, you have Batista cost Triple H the win at Mania, and Batista and Triple H have a secondary feud, while Jericho feuds with someone else over the title. With Benoit, Orton or Michaels you have Batista cost Triple H the title on RAW, allowing Batista vs. Triple H to happen at Mania without the title involved. If you have Shawn Michaels involved, you can have Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels vs. Edge at Backlash, which would be a pretty nifty World Heavyweight Championship match.

2. Chris Benoit
I really think the WWE needs another repeat winner. Benoit could do that well, and it would rmeind us he is still "4 Real" and no one can "Prove Him Wrong". The same options for Jericho's opponent apply for Benoit.

3. Randy Orton
Leave a slot on the SmackDown! side open. Orton somehow utilises another fault in the Rumble's write-up, and he states that since there was a slot for SmackDown! open, Teddy Long has filled it with Orton, allowing him to jump to SmackDown!. All the Rumble rules say is that fifteen guys must represent SmackDown!, it doesn't say Orton has to be from SmackDown! originally. Orton then wins the match and goes on to face Undertaker, JBL or Kurt Angle. Whichever holds the WWE Championship. Cena faces another one for the WWE United States Championship.

4. The Undertaker
He fills a SmackDown! slot and does something similiar to what Jericho or Benoit would do in my scenarios, but you have Undertaker vs. Triple H or Undertaker vs. Batista for the World Heavyweight Title. Either way, eventually we'll see Batista defeat Undertaker in his last World Title run.

5. Paul London
Huh, what, who? I think it would make an AWESOME surprise if London wins the Rumble and goes on to win the WWE Championship from JBL at WrestleMania. Won't happen, but it would still be great (IMO).

6. Rey Mysterio
Image the WrestleMania crowd if Mysterio won the title in front of them. WrestleMania main event, WWE Championship, hometown crowd. If the WWE are seriously planning to push Mysterio, this would be their best shot.

7. Eddie Guerrero
Pretty much the same as Mysterio, except he's already won a Rumble, and while it would be a surprise, it wouldn't be too out of the blue.

Actually, personally, I would prefer any main eventer in the match other than Cena or Batista to win the Rumble. Even someone who isn't at that level. I have a whole different topic laid out based around this idea, but I'll save that to later.

Anyway, sorry I didn't quite answer your questions Heyman, but I thought I'd put in my two cents on Mania. I personally think they need to offer us up an unpredictable main event at WrestleMania 21. Triple H vs. Batista and JBL vs. Cena are shifty as main event matches, IMO.

BTW, I think Batista should turn face in the sense he's the guy to cheer for. I wouldn't change who he is at the moment (because the crowd loves it).

[Aussie Skier]

1) agree; but disagree that JBL is not a 1st class heel.

2) disagree; i feel that the legacy of the Undertaker should not end, unless maybe to Randy Orton, and thats only because Orton is to incompetent to get over by himself.

3) agree that the match would become a marginally better affair, but I dont think they should have another 3-way-dance at wrestlemania.

4) agree that Orton could turn heel, but disagree that Batista should turn heel.

5) Disagree. As long as its not forced down our throats like Randy Orton when he turned, batista could work as a face.

6) HHH works much better as a heel. In saying that, its always unlikely that they'll be any other heel champ on raw

[Yashamaga]

[QUOTE=Alienoid06]

7. Eddie Guerrero
Pretty much the same as Mysterio, except he's already won a Rumble, and while it would be a surprise, it wouldn't be too out of the blue.
QUOTE]

I must have missed Eddie Guerrero winning the rumble :?:

[Yashamaga]

Do you agree or disagree with the following statements? (WM-21's main-events)


1) Agree

2) NO NO NO

3) Disagree

4) If Orton is the champ turn him heel. If it's DB keep him face(ish)


5) Disagree


6) No.

[Savio]

7. Eddie Guerrero
Pretty much the same as Mysterio, except he's already won a Rumble, and while it would be a surprise, it wouldn't be too out of the blue.

I must have missed Eddie Guerrero winning the rumble :?:On smackdown.

[The CyNick]

1. The idea of JBL in the main event spot at Mania is kinda funny, but I think considering how much they have pushed him and how over Cena is, this match should go on last. You can never guess the reaction for matches, I mean you can guess, but its never anything more than that, a 'guess'.

Just as an exmple, at Unforgiven when they had Orton-HHH, that match had ZERO heat, so who knows maybe HHH should never be in a main event match at Wrestlemania. Hell even at WM 18, HHH went on last, and he was the babyface chasing the title, and you could hear a pin drop throughout the whole match.

Its all about the build. Cena is over, if they build up his match with JBL the right way, in theory the people will be into it as much as they would be any other match on the card.

If you want a guaranteed pop, they shoudl put Eddie in the final spot casing the WWE title. I would be willing to 'guess' the LA crowd will be behind Eddie more than anyone else on the show, inlcuding Cena and Batista.

2. I dont see the point of Cena beating Taker. Taker is over pretty big as a face, they are pushing Cena as a face, if you put them together the fans might turn on Cena, and thats not what the WWE needs right now. Plus Taker will not do a JOB in the right manner to make Cena a bigger start coming out of Mania than he was coming in.

If they dont go to Cena-JBL, then I would use Angle to put him over. That would be a better match, and I trust Angle to do the right thing far more than I do with Taker.

3. True, I dotn see Batista vs HHH being a very good wrestling match, which is another reason why I dont think Cena-JBL is a horrible idea to go last. Batista-HHH is the other option, and I dont think this match will live up to the usual Mania quality.

However, this match 'should' have a ton of heat, and really, thats all that matters. IMO, the best way to go is to have this match in the 2nd or 3rd last spot and have Batista win in like 6 or 7 minutes. But that'll never happen.

As far as Orton goes, its a tough call. Originally I thought they could have used Orton in there to have him win, so they could contine the HHH-Batista program while Orton starts a heel turn as World Champ. Then you go to Batista-Orton down the road. However, the last few weeks of RAW convinced me that HHH vs Batista one on one is the right way to go.

When you start to add more elements you water down the base of the fued. So I would just keep it one on one, and have someone else fed to Orton.

4. If Orton were to win the title at Mania like I was saying, then no I wouldn't do the turn right away. I would have him get more and more arrogant as champion, and eventually do a full heel turn.

But either way I wouldn't have the turn happen right away. I dont think that would make sense (as we've seen with Orton's face turn out of nowhere). It needs to be built up and done slowly.

5. The simple answer with Batista is that I just dont know. He's really only been working as a face for about weeks now, and people seem to be getting more and more behind him. So I cant see him fizzling out for at least 4 or 5 months down the road if at all. But I dont think people are into him because he's a heel, I think the opposite is true, they've gotten into him since he's been doing the babyface stuff. We'll know pretty quickly after Mania (if he wins the title) how he's going to fare.

6. Ive been a fan of the idea of HHH turning face. There are a number of reasons for this. First is that we all know he's going to dominate RAW and SD for a long long time. History has shwn that business is best under a dominant babyface not a dominant heel. So if HHH is going to be 'da man', he should do it as a face. At least that way, people can cheer for him.

The problem is that as a face he would be more responsible for drawing numbers. And when he flops as a draw as a face it would be tough for them to justify keeping him in the top spot. As a heel he can always say "Ah Benoit has no heat" or "jericho doesn't know how to work main events".

That said, Im just sick of the guy, so face or heel it doesn't really matter, I just want to see him become a success in Hollywood so he can leave the WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1) I agree for the most part. JBL is over as a heel on normal shows. But even then, when he has a match, you tend to find his usual entertainment heat replaced with a bored silence. This is because no one really takes JBL seriously as a main event guy. That may end up hurting whoever JBL has to work with in the main event of Mania.

Cena is over with SmackDown! crowds, but the people in L.A. may feel "cheated" if JBL vs. Cena is the headline match. The people in L.A. are more liekly fans of Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio, and with the sudden input of support the WWE have invested into Rey, it would make more sense to have him challenge, IMO.

I know Cena is "The Face" on SmackDown!, but JBL sort of defeats the purpose of "The Face" since he is a pretty lame "The Heel" when it comes to wrestling. The guy's been working his ass off, and has been EXTREMELY entertaining, but he draws down the interest of the match, which means the L.A. crowd really need to see a guy they LOVE in the main event.

Cena may be over, but he probably isn't "Carrying WrestleMania main event on reaction" over, which could hurt the match, which would probably be ***1/2 at best.

Writing this I still haven't gotten what I truly wanted to say off my chest, because it is hard for me to explain, so I'll give it one last shot:

I think the fans in attendence may feel cheated with JBL in the main event, and Cena may not be at the level to counteract that yet. At least an Eddie/Rey opponent has that connection with the crowd that makes them fee that one of their own is wrestling there. Even The Rock would probably get that reaction. I would personally mark out if JBL got the Clothesline from Hell on Eddie/Rey/Rock, and the referee counts, but the face kicks out and ends up getting the victory.

The reaction when the finish of the match "happens" and the heel looks to be winning over the hometown hero would be "OMG NO!", I can just image the silence. When they kick out then reverse the match back to their favour, it really makes the good guy look like a champion.

2) I personally think he is, but I wouldn't really like to see it. Cena going over JBL just seems to anti-climatic to me, even with a Rumble victory. Make this guy into a real main eventer, and give him back his edge, then my answer would be reversed, with my belief changing to Cena winning the title from the top guy being the better option.


3) Nah, I'd prefer just the one on one match. As much as I'd like to see it, though, I think it carries the same problem as JBL/Cena. At Mania people may want to see THE match they had envisioned.

This is one of the biggest problems with the roster split, IMO. You have JBL/Cena and Triple H/Batista as the epic feuds right now, but none of the feels really like The Match of the Millenium. Again, fans in attendence may throw a hissy-fit because they feel cheated. Orton vs. Cena is the money-maker at the moment, but it is FAR to early for that to take place yet. thus we get that split feeling, where we have JBL/Cena, Triple H/Batista and Cena/Orton with the heat being divided up almost.

I don't know if I'm making sense or not, but the attention just doesn't seem epic enough to really captivate the interest. There may be little to no connection with the wrestlers, which may end up backfiring.

4) I personally like the idea of Orton coming out and saying "Thanks for the help now start riding my dick again." or something. Have his ego come roaring back and have him admit to using the fans for motivation, but now he's the World Champion, screw 'em.

Batista on the other hand should stay face alligned with Flair, IMO.


5) I disagree with this. Batista has charisma oozing through him. If that stays alive, and he remains the same in-ring wise, he will be over indefinately, IMO.


6) I disagree with this also. I'd prefer to see him go to SmackDown! as a heel. As a face he's just going to shove Orton, Benoit and Jericho down even further.

[Enjay]

Can Batista really last on a face run? Sure he has almost all of the crowd behind him now, and he's getting huge pops, but it's all really because he has been giving hints and teases that he's going to turn on Triple H. I think the fans just want to see him go after Triple H right now more than they wanna see him win the World Heavyweight Champiionship.

So once he does change and go after Triple H, the novelty is done, he will have done what the fans want him to do. If he stays a full face he'll get bland real fast IMO. In order to stay fresh they should have him as a "take on all comers" type of guy who won't hesitate to demolish anyone, face or heel, and won't give a shit what the fans think. Thoughts?