NFL Draft 2005

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Always the most fun topic to discuss amongst friends and its never too early to get the ball rolling



Tentative Draft Order:

1. San Francisco (2-14)
2. Miami (4-12)
3. Cleveland (4-12)
4. Chicago (5-11)
5. Tampa Bay (5-11)
6. Tennessee (5-11)
7. Oakland (5-11)
8. Arizona (6-10)
9. Washington (6-10)
10. Detroit (6-10)
11. Dallas (6-10)
12. San Diego from N.Y. Giants (6-10)
13. Houston (7-9)
14. Carolina (7-9)
15. Kansas City (7-9)
16. New Orleans (8-8)
17. Cincinnati (8-8)
18. Minnesota (8-8)
19. St. Louis (8-8)
20. Dallas from Buffalo (9-7)
21. Jacksonville (9-7)
22. Baltimore (9-7)
23. Seattle (9-7)
24. Green Bay (10-6)
25. Denver (10-6)
26. New York Jets (10-6)
27. Atlanta (11-5)
28. San Diego (12-4)
29. Indianapolis (12-4)
30. Pittsburgh (15-1)
31/32. *Philadelphia (13-3)
31/32. *New England (14-2)

So who goes #1? Who picks #1? Who do you think your team will draft?

I want the Bengals to draft a DT and right now Travis Johnson from Florida State looks like a great pick. Quick on his feet and a good solid tackler

Let's get discussin

[MoRcHeEbA]

Cleveland gets number 3 :love: hopefully they wont pick another Tim Couch or a Courtney Brown...

kinda hope they take a super good receiver, but I bet they will take O-line, or D-line, or a DB or OH FUCK, god I hate them.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well Mike Williams should be there and he's a super good receiver

[Y2Ant]

Who are the top guys this year :o

Minnesota need a linebacker :mad:

[Jerichoholic]

Derrick Johnson is the LB that most people are saying is the best.

[Jerichoholic]

I'm not really sure what Dallas is going to do.

But two first round picks is pretty hott.

My guess would be DE/DT/LB in the first round.

They do need a cornerback, but Jones and Parcells said they weren't going to do that in the first round. Plus they have like 20 million dollars in cap room so I DUNNO, could be hot.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

MOCK DRAFT: Mel Kiper's Initial First-Round Projection | Jan. 18

This initial projection is based on what I've identified as key need areas for each team; the four teams still alive in the NFL playoffs are slotted in the last four positions based on record.

There are 14 underclassmen among my projections for the first 32 picks of the 2005 NFL draft, including two of the top three. Utah junior quarterback Alex Smith gets the nod as the first overall pick, and his namesake, Stanford senior tight end Alex Smith, rounds out my first-round projections as the No. 32 overall selection to Pittsburgh.

Underclassmen who have not yet hired an agent have until Jan. 19 to pull out of the draft. The NFL conference championship games and Super Bowl also could impact the order of this list, so be sure to check back for updates as the offseason continues.

1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws.

2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned.

3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.

4. Chicago Bears: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Wiliams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years.

6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs.

7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end.

8. Arizona Cardinals: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
Johnson improved his stock immensely this year. He ties up offensive linemen and is able to gain penetration against the run as well as collapse the pocket in passing situations.

9. Washington Redskins: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher.

10. Detroit Lions: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia
A tremendous pass receiver and a willing blocker along the line, Miller would give quarterback Joey Harrington another weapon to complement his wide receivers. He'll also be a help to running back Kevin Jones in the rushing attack.

Braylon Edwards
Braylon Edwards would bolster the Redskins' attack.
11. Dallas Cowboys: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior with incredible physical skills, Merriman would be an ideal end/linebacker combo in a 3-4 scheme.

12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball.

13. Houston Texans: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he would make a perfect complement to young standout receiver Andre Johnson.

14. Carolina Panthers: Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
Brown's long arms, good feet and balance allow him to engage defenders easily and move them off the ball or away from the quarterback.

15. Kansas City Chiefs: Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
The Chiefs likely will dedicate most of their draft to defense, and Rolle is a good start. He has the cover skills to shut down wide receivers and also gives up his body against the run.

16. New Orleans Saints: Thomas Davis (jr.), OLB, Georgia
A punishing tackler who played safety in college, Davis has the size and speed to move into the front seven and make an impact at the pro level.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
A force along the line of scrimmage, James can play the run, rush the passer and command double-team blocks. There are some durability questions, though, after he missed parts of the last two seasons with injury.

18. Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DL, USC
A versatile lineman who can play end or tackle, Cody would be a great fit for a Vikings team that has struggled at times along the defensive front.

19. St. Louis Rams: David Pollack, DE, Georgia
Pollack plays with tremendous intensity and his motor does not stop. He makes up for a lack of size with good initial quickness and great closing speed.

20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina
The fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a great help to a team that lacked a consistent vertical threat.

21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
Barron is equally adept in the passing and running games and has light feet for a player his size.

22. Baltimore Ravens: Roddy White, WR, UAB
White's 4.42 speed in the 40 gives him a size/speed combination in the elite category. He is a big-play wideout who averaged 20.0 yards per catch in 2004.

23. Seattle Seahawks: Darryl Blackstock (jr.), OLB, Virginia
Blackstock is a solid all-around talent who shows flashes of greatness and has tremendous natural physical skills.

24. Green Bay Packers: Channing Crowder (so.), MLB, Florida
A tremendously productive player who adapted quickly to the collegiate game, Crowder has the ideal physical skills for a man in the middle.

David Pollack
David Pollack should impress NFL scouts in workouts.
25. Denver Broncos: Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
Roth is similar to David Pollack: undersized with a great motor and intensity. Roth was productive during his senior year and has good physical ability.

26. New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
A consistent, durable corner who can cover and support the run, Rogers has played against some of the best talent in the nation during his career.

27. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Browner (so.), CB, Oregon State
A consistent cover man with good size, Browner would make a nice complement to Atlanta's top pick last year, CB DeAngelo Hall.

28. San Diego Chargers: Roscoe Parrish (jr.), WR, Miami
Parrish has speed and would be a good option to round out a receiving corps bolstered by the addition of WR Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates.

29. Indianapolis Colts: Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
Did not intercept many passes, but that's because teams respected his ability and avoided his side of the field. McFadden has the size to match up with big receivers.

30. New England Patriots: Justin Miller (jr.), CB, Clemson
A good fit for a team thin in the secondary this season.

31. Philadelphia Eagles: Justin Tuck (jr.), DE, Notre Dame
Good size and strength. Would be an asset for a team that thrives on pressuring the quarterback.

32. Pittsburgh Steelers: Alex Smith, TE, Stanford
An athletic pass receiver with great body control, Smith can stretch the deep middle and is a good hook-zone threat

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Roddy White from UAB is gonna be unbelievable in the NFL IMO. He will be right up there with Mike Williams and Brylan Edwards at the end of the season when comparing the top WR out of this draft

[Bad Guy]

I thought the lions would be interested in a defense end like a matt roth or erasmus james type.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I dunno Mel Kiper's kinda retarded

but we'll see

[BCWWF]

God damnit, my internet keeps saying TPWW is messed up so I've written for this thread like five times and none of them worked.

The most important thing was that ESPN Insider reported that the Redskins are interested in LaVar Arrington, 1st, 2nd round draft picks for Randy Moss. To me that sounds like it would be a lot, maybe one of the picks would be next year or something. Either way, I love Moss but I would have to trade him for that. Get Braylon Edwards to replace him with the #9 pick. If we have to trade him I hope we can do something sweet like that.

[The Outlaw]

Roddy White from UAB is gonna be unbelievable in the NFL IMO. He will be right up there with Mike Williams and Brylan Edwards at the end of the season when comparing the top WR out of this draftAgreed. My friend played with him at UAB and he said that NFL scouts were at every one of their practices watching him.

[Bad Guy]

LaVar Arrington, 1st, 2nd round draft picks for Randy Moss.
Too much. :nono:

[MoRcHeEbA]

I heard Washington just wants to get rid of arrington cause they owe him alot of money or someshit.

[BCWWF]

Thats what the Washington Post reported though, so I can't complain :rofl:

[Crimson]

Funny how just a month ago Alex Smith wasn't a first rounder...now he's the NUMBER ONE PICK..:|

And no way Mike Williams falls out of the top 10, that would be a tragedy, GM's can't be that stupid.

And don't the Vikings and Rams pick after the Cowboys and Ravens since they made the playoffs? its always been like that

[OssMan]

I thought that Gibbs said they were looking to trade Rod Gardner and something else for Randy Moss? pretty sure Arrington wasnt involved in the trade

[BCWWF]

Once again...THATS WHAT WAS REPORTED IN THE WASHINGTON POST, regardless of how stupid it sounds its not something I pulled out of my ass. That being said, it looks now like the Redskins would rather have Hines Ward or Mushin Mohammad.

[Gonzo]

Randy Moss is an excellent receiver. Worth a 1st and 2nd, plus Arrington? No. Randy has too many issues that he would bring to the team to warrant that big of a trade. The Redskins always seem to go into Free Agency and spend an assload of money just to be mediocre at the end of the year. Seems silly to me. :-\

[BCWWF]

If they can pull in Ward of Muhammad though, and get decent QB and O-Line play they could be really good. Hines Ward and Clinton Portis :eek: Is Patrick Ramsey still going to be QB there? I was thinking maybe Kurt Warner? But he wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

[MoRcHeEbA]

Hines Ward isn't going anywhere, Burris will probably leave pittsburgh and Muhammad will probably leave carolina but who knows.

[VonErich Lives]

If they can pull in Ward of Muhammad though, and get decent QB and O-Line play they could be really good. Hines Ward and Clinton Portis :eek: Is Patrick Ramsey still going to be QB there? I was thinking maybe Kurt Warner? But he wouldn't be much of an upgrade.

yeah, and if all the other teams die in a plane crash....

get a top 10WR, top 15 QB and a new OL....

That's a lot to ask in 1 season and also a good bet to kill your cap.

I wonder how Gibbs will do with free agents, what has really hurt Parcells in NE and NYJ was he didn't understand the salary cap.

[BCWWF]

I have changed my mind, I don't want to trade Moss anymore. If it was one of those rediculous trades like Lavar and 2 DP's then it would have been completely neccessary, but it obviously wouldn't be like that. Up until the incident at Washington (Which wasn't as big of a deal as it was made), Moss had been really good for a long time. Then Joe Buck blew up the celebration issue, which was not a big deal AT ALL, and then all of the talk just started coming. Moss never told anybody in the press that he wanted a trade, it is all third party information right now. He is also one of the longest tenured Vikings, has a house in Minnesota, and does A LOT of charity work. Having him on the Vikings is not why they had another subpar season. It was not having him on the team that made them die. When he was healthy, they were 5-1 and most peoples pick for #2 team in the NFC. He completely opened up defenses, making Nate Burleson and whatever running back they decide to use much better. Our offense would be completely different and poor if you ask me, without Moss. We also do not need to trade Moss to get defensive help. Somebody posted the salary cap somewhere, the Vikings have a tonn of room and are reportedly planning on signing another Antoine Winfield caliber player on defense. With their cap room they can legitimately sign a good DB and LB, and our D-Line is already real good. Assume they draft LB's or DB's with their first two DP's, its safe to assume that they have a completely revamped defense next year.

If you remember the beginning of the year, it was Duante, not Payton, that people were talking about to break Marinos TD record. Moss went down and the offense took a step back, but the whole team morale changed at that time too. Next year, if Moss is healthy all year, Rosenthal and Kliensasser return to the O-line, and there are some changes for the better in the defense, the Vikings would have to be your pick as the second best team (if not the first).

As of right now, this is how I see the NFC finishing next year:
1. Eagles (East)
2. Vikings (North)
3. Falcons (South)
4. Seahawks (West)
5. Panthers (WC)
6. Rams/Lions/Giants

[BCWWF]

yeah, and if all the other teams die in a plane crash....

get a top 10WR, top 15 QB and a new OL....

That's a lot to ask in 1 season and also a good bet to kill your cap.

I wonder how Gibbs will do with free agents, what has really hurt Parcells in NE and NYJ was he didn't understand the salary cap.
It's actually not that unrealistic. Its pretty obvious that they are going for a top WR, maybe they will sign Mohammad or Ward or something, maybe they will draft Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams, both guys I think could have a big effect rookie season.

I don't know their QB situation, but I assume that Ramsey is still the starting QB? If so I am sure he will be just fine, but the name I mentioned, Kurt Warner, wouldn't be a stretch or a burden to their wallets. Then add or draft a solid O-line man. Even a little O-Line help would be huge, because the passing game would open up the field for Portis too. If they can keep their defense intact over the offseason and add some dynamics to their offense, they could be a very good team. Even a decent WR could be big, because Laverneus Coles still has talent.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

2. Vikings (North)
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[The Outlaw]

lol

[Bad Guy]

NFC north could be the LIONS next year. If Moss gets traded and Favre retires OMG. Think about it we could get in the playoffs with like 7 wins cause that division would be so crappy. (I mean crappier than it already is)

[BCWWF]

They would be trading Moss, not giving him up for nothing. The newspapers are now reporting that Moss isn't going to be traded, Culpepper wants him to stay and so do the coaches/front office. The Lions should be #2 in the NFC North easilly though, and if they really come together could get into the playoffs. Maybe Charles Rogers should consider not getting injured though, that could help.

[Bad Guy]

Rogers is garbage dude. When he's out there sure he's great, but that lasts about 2 plays.

[BCWWF]

Thats why I said that if he wouldn't get injured it would help a lot :rant:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Rogers is garbage dude. When he's out there sure he's great, but that lasts about 2 plays.
You won't be saying that when he's tearing it up. He's been in the NFL for 2 years and had 2 season ending injuries. I don't know, that's not really his fault.

[Innovator]

Favre retirement = shit hitting the fan in GB

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws.

2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned.

3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.

4. Chicago Bears: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Williams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years. Was also coached by Tampa head coach Jon Gruden in the Senior Bowl.

6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs.

7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end.

8. Arizona Cardinals: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level.

9. Washington Redskins: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he has excellent hands. Would be a great help in the development of quarterback Patrick Ramsey and help take some pressure off Clinton Portis in the running game.

Marcus Spears
Marcus Spears bolstered his stock immensely in Mobile.
10. Detroit Lions: Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
Spears boosted his stock immensely with an outstanding performance at the Senior Bowl. He showcased his speed, strength and athleticism against some of the best offensive linemen in the nation, and his size would make him a welcome addition for a team that needs to boost its pass rush.

11. Dallas Cowboys: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
Spends a lot of time in opposing backfields after collapsing the pocket or gaining penetration against the run. Came on strong and raised his stock significantly during his senior year.

12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball.

13. Houston Texans: Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina
Perhaps the fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a nice complement to budding superstar and physical wideout Andre Johnson.

14. Carolina Panthers: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
With light feet for a player his size, Barron is a consistent blocker who is equally adept in both the pass and run games.

15. Kansas City Chiefs: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior who would help shore up a defensive line that had trouble pressuring the quarterback last season. Expect Kansas City to commit nearly its entire draft to the defensive side of the ball.

16. New Orleans Saints: Brodney Pool (jr.), S, Oklahoma
A complete safety who excels in coverage and is more than adequate in run support, Pool has excellent size, covers a lot of ground and shows good anticipation in diagnosing plays.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: Roddy White, WR, UAB
A big-play wideout who averaged 20.0 yards per catch last season, White's combination of size and speed is in the elite category.

18. Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DL, USC
A versatile lineman who can play end or tackle, and was a leader on the nation's best rush defense..

19. St. Louis Rams: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
Has to answer questions about his durability, but when healthy, James was a force along the line who commanded double-team blocks on a regular basis.

20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Antrell Rolle, CB, Miami
A good cover man who did not see a lot of balls thrown his way in 2004, Rolle was still a force in run support and is adept at blitzing off the corner.

21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Khalif Barnes, OT, Washington
Another player who raised his stock at the Senior Bowl, where he answered questions about a wrist injury that sidelined him for the final six games of 2004. Excellent in both run and pass blocking and earned the respect of Iowa DE Matt Roth at the Senior Bowl, with Roth calling Barnes the best tackle he faced all season.

Mark Clayton
Mark Clayton would be a great weapon for Kyle Boller.
22. Baltimore Ravens: Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma
Has excellent speed and is one of the best in years at running after the catch, making Clayton a big-play threat who would give young QB Kyle Boller another option on the outside.

23. Seattle Seahawks: Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
A tremendous natural pass rusher who has fire and intensity, Roth's outstanding consistency this season helped raise his stock.

24. Green Bay Packers: Thomas Davis (jr.), OLB, Georgia
A punishing tackler who played safety in college, Davis has the size and speed to become a force in the front seven at the pro level.

25. Denver Broncos: Demarcus Ware, OLB, Troy
Needs to add a little bulk to his frame, but his quickness would give a boost to a Denver pass rush that was lackluster in 2004.

26. New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
A physical player who is an asset in run support and also has the speed to be an outstanding cover man. Rogers was the best player on a very good Auburn defense thanks to his consistency and durability.

27. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Browner (so.), CB, Oregon State
With his good size and speed, Browner is a consistent cover man who would be a nice complement to last year's top pick, fellow CB D'Angelo Hall.

28. San Diego Chargers: Roscoe Parrish (jr.), WR, Miami
A speedy guy who would round out a receiving corps bolstered this season by the addition of Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates. Parrish would also be an asset in the return game.

29. Indianapolis Colts: Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin
His combination of size, strength and athleticism make Hawthorne an ideal 4-3 defensive tackle. He knows how to handle double-team blocks and can create lost-yardage plays.

30. Pittsburgh Steelers: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia
A tremendous pass receiver and a willing blocker along the line, Miller would give young quarterback Ben Roethlisberger another weapon to complement his wide receivers and also be a help to the Pittsburgh running game.

31. Philadelphia Eagles: Reggie Brown, WR, Georgia
Has excellent size and hands and gained plenty of attention with a good Senior Bowl showing. Would be a nice addition to a receiving corps led by Terrell Owens.

32. New England Patriots: Channing Crowder (so.), MLB, Florida
Crowder immediately became one of the best linebackers in college after setting foot on campus. He has all the skills and instincts to be a tremendous middle linebacker at the next level.

Borderline first-rounders

The players below are on the very fringe of the first round and depending on how things shake down some, all or none of them could ultimately end up being taken off the board in the first 31 selections:

# Darryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia
# Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
# Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn
# Charlie Frye, QB, Akron
# Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
# David Pollack, DE, Georgia
# Justin Tuck (jr.), DE, Notre Dame

[DaveWadding]

The Rams NEED Antrell Rolle

[BCWWF]

I was hoping the Vikings would make a run for him. Wasn't he projected to go a lot higher earlier? Anyway, I've heard Shaun Cody before, but we don't need another D-lineman, we have three good guys and one solid guy. We have one good DB and one average one, we need him, bitch :mad:

[DaveWadding]

The Rams have... ONE good DB (Aeneas) so screw you.

[Innovator]

Giants need to spend their other 6 picks on o-line, linebackers, and see if theres a deep threat at receiver

[Innovator]

hopefully Tim Carter can stay healthy this year

[BCWWF]

Just bring back Seahorn and quit your whining. Who cares if he didn't pass a physical :rant:

[road doggy dogg]

What? Culpepper himself said he wouldn't mind if Moss left. I don't know what you're talking about.

Rogers is good, but only playing 7 or so gamse in 2 seasons is hard to tell. He needs more playing time to get in tune with the offense. Rogers and Williams, with Jones in the backfield will make a nice offense. It'll be interesting to see if Detroit makes a pass for Brees or Garcia though, or just sticks with Harrington.

asdf off topic

[BCWWF]

Culpepper actually said that he wouldn't be SURPRISED if Moss was traded, not that he wouldn't mind...I don't know what you're talking about.

Of course he would mind, without Moss, Culpeppers numbers would be like half of what they are.

[VonErich Lives]

Pepper on Moss, he said nothing would suprise him, it was up to the team not him. He also said that he has tried to smoth things over for 5yrs but he was done and there was no excuse for walking off the field.

As for peppers stats being 1/2 of what they are w/o Moss, that's crap. They have some good young WR's, plus they'd have cap money to replace him with a top WR.

[BCWWF]

Thats just wrong. You are completely underestimating how good Moss is. When he was healthy, the Vikings were the fourth or fifth best team in the league and when he got injured everything fell down the hole. Nate Burleson is alright, but he isn't a #1 wide reciever. Marcus Robinson isn't young, Kelly Campbell is very limited, and I don't know who else you think they have. There is no player in the NFL that affects a game as much as Moss does, and to take him off the Vikings would completely change their offense. They could still have a good passing game if they picked up a hot free agent, but not like it is when he is there.

[VonErich Lives]

Thats just wrong. You are completely underestimating how good Moss is. When he was healthy, the Vikings were the fourth or fifth best team in the league and when he got injured everything fell down the hole. Nate Burleson is alright, but he isn't a #1 wide reciever. Marcus Robinson isn't young, Kelly Campbell is very limited, and I don't know who else you think they have. There is no player in the NFL that affects a game as much as Moss does, and to take him off the Vikings would completely change their offense. They could still have a good passing game if they picked up a hot free agent, but not like it is when he is there.

they sign Burress they wouldn't miss a beat.

[BCWWF]

Plexico Burress is a good wide reciever, but he isn't Randy Moss. He doesn't completely change a defense, and he doesn't have the explosive skill that Randy has. The offense would still run and run well, but with Moss it would be running quite a bit better.

[#1-norm-fan]

Fucking Buffalo should have had a top 5 pick. They had to start playing as if they had a fucking chance of making any noise and push Dallas' other pick down a good 15 spots. Dicks.

[VonErich Lives]

Plexico Burress is a good wide reciever, but he isn't Randy Moss. He doesn't completely change a defense, and he doesn't have the explosive skill that Randy has. The offense would still run and run well, but with Moss it would be running quite a bit better.

Burress is taller, stronger, runs a 4.4 40yd dash.

I don't think your giving him enough credit, simply because he doesn't have the same stats which has more to do with the team around him then him. Peppers is better then any QB that Pittsburg had while Burress has been there. Plus Pittsburg has typicall has better running games and not been a mostly air show.

Plus the biggest factor, he isn't a head case like Moss.

Moss could and should be the best WR in the NFL and shatter every record ever set, but unless he grows up, he'll just be another "could have been".

Due to his head problems that lowers his trade value, you've giving him much more value then he's actually worth right now. You won't see any Hershal Walker deals.

[BatistaBomb]

why is everyone overlooking bryan randall from virginia tech

[BCWWF]

A. Are you trying to say that Burress is faster then Moss?

B. Are you trying to say that Burress is better then Moss?

C. Are you aware that Moss was injured over half the season?

D. Are you aware that before Moss's injury, Duante, not Manning, was the front runner to break Marino's record, and everybody knows that Harrison-Wayne-Stokley > Moss-Burleson-Robinson


Just because Moss has some off field problems doesn't mean that he doesn't perform on the field. Burress is good, but he is no Moss, TO, or Harrison, and when you are on the level of those three you can affect a game A LOT

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

They could still pick up a guy like Burress, lose Moss and still be very effective though. Moss is in the top class of WRs but Vikings can afford to lose him and still be a very good offense. They need to change something, Vikings will just keep repeating what they have been doing after year unless they shake things up a bit.

If I was the Vikings I would try my hardest to pick up some type of a consistant running back.

[VonErich Lives]

A. Are you trying to say that Burress is faster then Moss?

B. Are you trying to say that Burress is better then Moss?

C. Are you aware that Moss was injured over half the season?

D. Are you aware that before Moss's injury, Duante, not Manning, was the front runner to break Marino's record, and everybody knows that Harrison-Wayne-Stokley > Moss-Burleson-Robinson


Just because Moss has some off field problems doesn't mean that he doesn't perform on the field. Burress is good, but he is no Moss, TO, or Harrison, and when you are on the level of those three you can affect a game A LOT

Really, must be difficult to type w/ moss dick in your mouth.

I've never said he wasn't a good player, I consider him one of the top 5 WR in the league.

But you seem to feel if Minnesota lost him the whole team would fall apart, and thats not even close.

Especially, if they signed Burress.

Is he faster then Moss? Dunno, what's Moss's 40-time now? I know in "high school" he was clocked at a 4.25-40, but what's he run now after his injuries?

This had nothing to do with who is better Moss or Burress, it's a simple fact that Burress is a top 5 WR and if the Vikes delt Moss and signed Burress they wouldn't drop much at the WR position, if anything. They would also have whatever they get for Moss. It's really a no brainer if they can pull off both.

[BCWWF]

I never said that the Vikings would fall apart with Burress instead of Moss, they would still have a good offense, but Moss changes a game like only very few wide recievers do. I just don't agree that Moss's off field problems have affected him on the field, at least in the last year or two...

The original discussion has gone off track though, it was originally about Culpeppers #'s. Personally, I think that he would still be a good passer with Burress, but with Moss he is better. I overstated when I said 1/2 his stats, obviously I wasn't being serious though, but I understand that I have gone a little extreme in these two threads. I just think a Moss, TO, Marvin does something that no other WR's really do.

[DaveWadding]

it's a simple fact that Burress is a top 5 WR
Moss
TO
Harrison
Holt
Chad Johnson

...yeah, okay, no.

[VonErich Lives]

Moss
TO
Harrison
Holt
Chad Johnson

...yeah, okay, no.

I was going to explain why Burress is better then Chad Johnson, but then I realised it was Wadding, and it's just not worth the time :)

[VonErich Lives]

I just think a Moss, TO, Marvin does something that no other WR's really do.

See, I question Harrisons role in the top3, and I might give it to Holt.

My reason being, he plays on a track team, and has always had many weapons so he didn't get double teamed much if at all. Where players like Moss, TO, Burress, Johnson and the last few years Holt, still put up great numbers while being double teammed.

Also, I think Indy's style of offense makes any WR better.

The key for the Vikes is they need a dominating runner, the RB's they have are good, but no one plays them honest, no one puts 9 in the box, no one is afraid minnesota will run on them all day.

[DaveWadding]

I was going to explain why Burress is better then Chad Johnson, but then I realised it was Wadding, and it's just not worth the time :)
How can you explain how Burress is better than Chad Johnson when Plaxico Burress isn't even better than the next guy on my list (Hines Ward)??

[BCWWF]

I think that Holt probably deserves to be in the Top 4 list, I always forget about him though. I'm not sure how highly I would rate Chad Johnson at this point aswell.

The Vikings have three good running backs, and when used/not injured Michael Bennet was a 1200 yard rusher. There is no doubt that one of them will be traded in the offseason, likely either Bennett or Onterio Smith (Steal of the Draft). When they had their amazing 98 season, Robert Smith had by far the best year of his career, and that played a huge role in the overall success. If the can have SOD or Bennett come up huge or completely mix the backfield around and bring in Tomlinson, they would be really good.

[VonErich Lives]

How can you explain how Burress is better than Chad Johnson when Plaxico Burress isn't even better than the next guy on my list (Hines Ward)??

umm, ok there Dave... I think you should stick to those great Rams of yours.

[VonErich Lives]

I think that Holt probably deserves to be in the Top 4 list, I always forget about him though. I'm not sure how highly I would rate Chad Johnson at this point aswell.

The Vikings have three good running backs, and when used/not injured Michael Bennet was a 1200 yard rusher. There is no doubt that one of them will be traded in the offseason, likely either Bennett or Onterio Smith (Steal of the Draft). When they had their amazing 98 season, Robert Smith had by far the best year of his career, and that played a huge role in the overall success. If the can have SOD or Bennett come up huge or completely mix the backfield around and bring in Tomlinson, they would be really good.

Yeah, I think Chad is like Moss in he still needs to grow up a bit, but has the skills.

Bring Tomlinson into anyteam there a better team :)

That being said Bennet being a 1200yds rusher is a product of the passing game getting so much respect, you need a RB who commands respect and allows the passing game to stretch the defense.

[VonErich Lives]

oh yeah and the Vikes also need one other thing...

A Coach. :D

[BCWWF]

Hines Ward is better then Burress though..

Also, in the year he did that, 2003 I think, I'm not sure the Vikings had a great passing attack. Better then average I'm sure, but nothing like it was this year. I think Bennett is a legit good runner, not elite, but on a good team he could consistantly do that.

[VonErich Lives]

Hines Ward is better then Burress though..

Also, in the year he did that, 2003 I think, I'm not sure the Vikings had a great passing attack. Better then average I'm sure, but nothing like it was this year. I think Bennett is a legit good runner, not elite, but on a good team he could consistantly do that.

I'm not knocking Ward, but what makes you think he's better the burress?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Hines Ward is the best blocking WR in the NFL. He goes over the middle and plays tough. Oh yeah, over the last 4 seasons only 2 guys have caught more balls then him.

Now can you explain to me why you think Burress is better than Chad Johnson? Buress is a good wideout but he isn't all that.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Burress may be huge but he wishes he had Chad Johnson's hands.

But yeah Burress would be sweet with the Vikings with Culpepper throwing a lot of jump balls for him to grab against 5'11"-6'0" DBs

[Corndad]

Those jump balls are great if he actually catches a few... I would take Hines over him in a heart beat... more versitile. Best all around WR in my opinion, not meaning hes the biggest down field threat, or the fastest, As a total receiver, blocking, making the big catch, Hines is the man, Burress leaving the Pittsburgh is a good thing for the Steelers, my personal opinion