NFL offseason thread. [Archive]

VonErich Lives

02-13-2005, 05:47 AM

Didn't see one yet.

Anyway, the Pats have lost their O/C and D/C, Eric Mangini, is staying as DC. He's been with the team 5yrs, he was offered the same job with Miami suposivly for 800K and Cleveland for 700K and stayed with NE for around 500K.

I'm curious who will be the O/C, there's a rumor of Dante Scarnecchia, who is currently "assistand head coach" and OL Coach, Dante has been with the Pats over 20 years (just looked 21), which is interesting because as head coaches have come in gone, and owners, and gm's etc... he's stuck around. He's coached TE's, ST, OL, LB, and I might have missed a position or two, he was also "team spokesman" when Dick Macphearson was ill, and did all the press confrences for like 1/2 a season.

The Pats also have a few contracts to deal with.

They have some free agents on the OL, they need to restructure if they want to keep Law and if he wants to stay, there's also talk about redoing Bradys contract, Vinateri and possible Dillon.

VonErich Lives

02-13-2005, 05:49 AM

Evil Vito

02-13-2005, 10:12 AM

I'm still having a hard time trying to decide what the Giants' priority should be. They have some serious O-Line problems, but then again, most of their O-Line men are young and will likely improve over time.

I'm prolly gonna have to go with WR. The fact that Hilliard and Toomer, their 2 main WRs, combined for a grand total of 0 TD passes is quite pathetic. Curious to see if the Giants try and trade up for a 1st round pick (since their probably won't be any notable WRs left by 2nd round).

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-13-2005, 12:39 PM

What are the Chargers going to do?

VonErich Lives

02-13-2005, 01:08 PM

What are the Chargers going to do?

My guess, franchise tag breese and then trade him.

He'll get them more then Rivers will and they drafted Rivers with the confidence of the future.

can't see them keeping both, or Breese wanting that.

Side note, being reported Bledsoe has been demoted to backup and has asked the bills permission to seek a trade. I said last year he'll end up in Dallas with Parcells and Glenn.

BCWWF

02-13-2005, 04:32 PM

Gus Ferrotte is looking for a team to start for

#1-norm-fan

02-13-2005, 04:47 PM

lol. How old is Gus Frerrotte?

I remember a couple seasons ago he came in and had a couple great games but come on. A starter?

VonErich Lives

02-13-2005, 05:48 PM

Gus Ferrotte is looking for a team to start for

Is Jeff George still on the Bears?

Rain Man

02-13-2005, 05:52 PM

Sean Alexander to the Eagles

VonErich Lives

02-13-2005, 06:04 PM

Sean Alexander to the Eagles

Eagles have a ton of cap room, would make sense they go after him or edge.

Both have Miami high on their list, but only one will endup there.

Eagles are in great shape to be back in the SB next year.

Excellance of Execution

02-13-2005, 06:08 PM

My guess, franchise tag breese and then trade him.

He'll get them more then Rivers will and they drafted Rivers with the confidence of the future.

can't see them keeping both, or Breese wanting that.

Side note, being reported Bledsoe has been demoted to backup and has asked the bills permission to seek a trade. I said last year he'll end up in Dallas with Parcells and Glenn.

Wouldn't it be funny if Buffalo traded Bledsoe to Dallas for a 1st rd pick? You know the same one they traded to Dallas last year so they could draft Losman. It would be kinda weird if that happened, but i doubt Buffalo could get a first round pick for him.

Excellance of Execution

02-13-2005, 06:13 PM

Eagles have a ton of cap room, would make sense they go after him or edge.

Both have Miami high on their list, but only one will endup there.

Eagles are in great shape to be back in the SB next year.

I'm not so sure the Eagles need a superstar RB like Edge or Alexander. What would they do with Westbrook? I think they would be better off getting a better receiver to compliment T.O. Pinkston suck's ( probably alway's will be nothing more than a 3rd receiver), and it's obvious Freddie Mitchell can't back up his mouth. So i think they should get a better receiver to line up opposite T.O. Can you imagine how hard it would be to defend Philly's offence then?

VonErich Lives

02-13-2005, 06:48 PM

Wouldn't it be funny if Buffalo traded Bledsoe to Dallas for a 1st rd pick? You know the same one they traded to Dallas last year so they could draft Losman. It would be kinda weird if that happened, but i doubt Buffalo could get a first round pick for him.

yeah, I think they'll be lucky to get a 3rd rounder at this point.

VonErich Lives

02-13-2005, 06:49 PM

I'm not so sure the Eagles need a superstar RB like Edge or Alexander. What would they do with Westbrook? I think they would be better off getting a better receiver to compliment T.O. Pinkston suck's ( probably alway's will be nothing more than a 3rd receiver), and it's obvious Freddie Mitchell can't back up his mouth. So i think they should get a better receiver to line up opposite T.O. Can you imagine how hard it would be to defend Philly's offence then?

I think they could do both between free agency and the draft.

Rain Man

02-13-2005, 06:59 PM

The Eagles need a more runner than Westbrook.. Hell they get Alexander they can line Westbrook up as a reciever or have to running backs in the backfield.

BCWWF

02-13-2005, 07:50 PM

Rain Man

02-13-2005, 08:10 PM

I was shocked when I heard that the Eagles have a good chance at getting Shaun Alexander. That would almost be unfair. A top QB, a top WR, and arguable the best RB with Westbrook just messing things up aswell. The only problem I see with it is that I could see them losing some of their defensive perspective. Isn't their good LB a free agent? I forget his name, but the best one.
Name Pos Ht Wt Exp College Birth City
79 #Allen, Ian OT 6-4 310 3 Purdue Atlanta, GA
36 #Westbrook, Brian RB/KR 5-10 205 3 Villanova Ft. Washington, MD
90 **Simon, Corey DT 6-2 293 5 Florida State Pompano Beach, FL
57 *Adams, Keith LB 5-11 223 4 Clemson Atlanta, GA
11 *Blake, Jeff QB 6-1 223 13 East Carolina Daytona Beach, Fla.
28 *Buckhalter, Correll RB 6-0 222 4 Nebraska Collins, MS
56 *Burgess, Derrick DE 6-2 266 4 Mississippi Greenbelt, MD
53 *Douglas, Hugh DE 6-2 281 10 Central State (Ohio) Mansfield, OH
25 *Levens, Dorsey RB 6-1 230 11 Georgia Tech Syracuse, NY
89 *Lewis, Chad TE 6-6 252 7 Brigham Young Orem, UT
71 *Mayberry, Jermane G/T 6-4 325 9 Texas A&M-Kingsville Floresville, TX
58 *Reese, Ike LB 6-2 222 7 Michigan State Cincinnati, OH
48 *Ritchie, Jon FB 6-2 250 7 Stanford Mechanicsburg, PA
54 *Trotter, Jeremiah LB 6-1 262 7 Stephen F. Austin Hooks, TX

*Denotes Unrestricted Free Agent
**Designates Franchise Tag
#Denotes Restricted Free Agent

The players they will resign are Westbrook, Trotter, Ritchie, and Burgess. Those to me are the players they HAVE to resign. Then you have players like Mayberry, Buckhalter, and Chad Lewis. We have a good offenseive line already loosing Mayberry would hurt but nothing drastic, Buckhalter was out for the whole season and is hard to tell if they will resign, and LJ Smith is going to be huge in the future so Chad Lewis may not be an Eagle.

I think they will have enough cap room from between resigning the players and acquiring maybe a Sean Alexander.

Rain Man

02-13-2005, 08:11 PM

By the way BCWWF the linebacker you were talking about was Trotter

BCWWF

02-13-2005, 08:23 PM

Yeah it was

AlphaBean

02-13-2005, 08:34 PM

I bet Trotter will resign long-term for a low price, because he realizes he can't succeed without the Iggles. But then, if the Vikings could get him THAT WOULD BE HOT. But like I said... Eagles pretty much told him they don't need him, so he left, sucked, came back like a bitch, they took him back and put him in the pro bowl. Pretty great.

Two things: 1) I'm sick of the Moss trade talk. ESPN has no sources but they keep claiming Moss wants out and the Vikings want out. A childhood Moss friend claimed Moss demanded a trade, but on the radio Moss said he would be hurt if he was traded. COME ON. On the other hand, it looks like Culpepper's competitive nature is leaning towards wishing Moss was traded. Either way, ESPN is a piece of trash, and instead of retracting what they said, they appended it. If Red McCombs has been in meetings for the last month, how could he possibly have made arrangements to have Moss traded? It's pathetic.

Mort wants him in Atlanta, and the NFL wants him in Baltimore, which is why they were almost upset over the TO incident, but happy that he landed in Philly.

But either way, wtf, Moss better stay :mad:

BCWWF

02-13-2005, 09:01 PM

WTF have you been Alphabean? I have been saying the same thing and people just stick to their ESPN like its the gospel still

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-13-2005, 09:28 PM

Vikings will never win a Superbowl with Randy Moss

AlphaBean

02-13-2005, 10:33 PM

Or without him.

Mike Tice had Moss under control, but he lost it. Moss needs a better coach to keep his head in the game. The less control Tice had over his team, the less control he had over Randy Moss, which led to Moss finally just giving up on the team.

Oh and hey Stima, I know you're an NFL hopeful and all, but you're kind of an idiot to think that Randy Moss was responsible for no running game, poor clock management and absolutely no defense.

What? What? Randy Moss should play cornerback?

AlphaBean

02-13-2005, 10:33 PM

Also, Randy Moss is a big cancer for the Vikings. How dare he get injured, what the fuck. A true star would never get injured. :|

BCWWF

02-13-2005, 11:26 PM

Welcome back Alphabean, I notice you have stayed away from the NBA threads this year tho???

Also, just kind of interesting...Randy Moss is ranked as the third best NFL player by scouts, behind Payton Manning and Ray Lewis. Here is what the summary on him is.

Comment:
Moss has great size and sneaky deep speed because he hits his top gear in such a hurry. He is so smooth as an athlete that he runs right by defensive backs before they realize that he is on top of them. He does a great job of tracking the deep ball, he will catch it in full stride, and he is an outstanding leaper that has tremendous body control when he is in the air. He has outstanding hands and can snatch the ball away from his body. He will run all types of routes, and he is an absolute nightmare in man to man coverage. He is especially effective in the red zone where he can simply go up and out jump DB's and when the ball is in the air, he can be very competitive. He seems to have a great rapport with QB, Daunte Culpepper, and as the rest of this Minnesota offense improves and shows more versatility, Moss could actually even be better when the focus of the offense is not entirely on him. The numbers he puts up are scary considering his supporting cast, and there is no reason to believe that they won't continue to dominate in ?04.

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 12:42 AM

I can't bear to watch the Wolves anymore. Fairweather fan? Come on. It's not like we're rebuilding. This is just disgusting.

But yeah, Moss is the greatest player of all time.

At Rajah's, Wedge argued that the only trade the Ravens should make would be Moss for Adalius Thomas straight up due to Moss's baggage. That was hilarious.

Ray Lewis has lost a step and his best years are behind him, and Wedge argued that Moss's baggage make him far less valuable than Ray.

BCWWF

02-14-2005, 12:46 AM

Ray is rated 98 by scouts and Moss 97 by scouts, but I think that as one player Moss affects more then Ray.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-14-2005, 12:50 AM

Oh and hey Stima, I know you're an NFL hopeful and all, but you're kind of an idiot to think that Randy Moss was responsible for no running game, poor clock management and absolutely no defense.

What? What? Randy Moss should play cornerback?What? Way too totally over analyze what I said you spaz

I just don't think the current Vikings team has a shot at winning the Superbowl, I think the Vikings keep the same team they have now and don't do a complete over haul then they will never win it all. They aren't going to trade Culpepper, and what other marquee guy can they get rid of to try to shake things up other then Moss? Big play wideouts don't win games, consistant offenses and defenses do. I think Moss would be even better under a different style, Tice is a terrible head coach. I really think it would be a win/win situation for all those involded. Vikings would get a lot for Moss.

Corndad

02-14-2005, 12:54 AM

lol. How old is Gus Frerrotte?

I remember a couple seasons ago he came in and had a couple great games but come on. A starter?

Hey Cmon! leave Gus out of this haha. I live in same town as him. Oh well biggest thing from our town is known for running his head into a wall... :|

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-14-2005, 12:55 AM

Also, Randy Moss is a big cancer for the Vikings. How dare he get injured, what the fuck. A true star would never get injured. :|
LOL that's the only reason anybody considers him a cancer too right?

Here's a nice rap lyric for you

"I'm like Randy Moss/I play when I wanna"

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 01:02 AM

What? Way too totally over analyze what I said you spaz

I just don't think the current Vikings team has a shot at winning the Superbowl, I think the Vikings keep the same team they have now and don't do a complete over haul then they will never win it all. They aren't going to trade Culpepper, and what other marquee guy can they get rid of to try to shake things up other then Moss? Big play wideouts don't win games, consistant offenses and defenses do. I think Moss would be even better under a different style, Tice is a terrible head coach. I really think it would be a win/win situation for all those involded. Vikings would get a lot for Moss.
Vikings had one of the lowest team salaries last season, and were forced by the NFL to spend a lot of it, so what did they do? They signed Winfield for like 13 mil the first year, and 2 mil for the next 5 years or something like this, just to fit OVER THE MINIMUM! Red McCombs is doing to the Vikings what Carl Pohlad is doing to the Twins. Forcing them to win with minimal expenditure.

On one hand, we could spend money on a few marquee defenders in free agency, and on the other hand, I think another year under Cottrell will make the current defenders a lot better. Because, basically, they're all young and stupid, and Ted Cottrell was trying to get them to do complex defenses, which is impossible unless you've got the Patriots linebackers. Our linebackers were out of position on nearly every play.

But we can get better without trading Moss. ESPECIALLY if Glen Taylor buys the team. He way overspent to get the Wolves competitive. Though that backfired this year, I guess. :'(. But at least he'll allow Tice and Bryzinski to spend a little bit of that cap room to get someone good.

Draft a 1: NT 2: CB 3: GUARD 4: LB 5: CB 6: OT 7:... who cares. 7th rounders always suck.

But we should throw a Kicker in the mix up there somewhere.

Pick up a safety in free agency, maybe a nice run-defending MLB or something. DUNNO. Mike Tice is the biggest piece of shit ever.

But I do not want Moss to leave, and I know that we could win with him here. But... not with Tice here. :mad:

BCWWF

02-14-2005, 01:02 AM

Where does Gus live?

And I disagree with Stima. We had one of the most potent offenses in the league when Moss was healthy, and we still had two starting O-linemen out. The reason we lost so many games is because the defense could not stop anything. There were like five games that we lost on the final drive :mad: Cris Hovan lost his energy, but if Kenechi Udeze stays healthy, him and Kevin Williams will be the foundation to a great D-line in the future. Chris Claiborne would be a good OLB, but he isn't good when he is the main guy. That is why the Vikings will likely address that issue this offseason with all of their salary cap. Corey Chavous and Brian Russell aren't great, but Chavous is pretty good and will be good enough to stay. Antoine Winfield was spectacular while he wasn't injured, and Sid Hartman reports that the Vikings plan to sign another defensive player of his caliber. It looks likely that they will draft DT Shaun Cody out of USC, sign a MLB and a DB, and the defense will be improved A LOT next season, and the whole offense will be intact assuming Moss or Bennett isn't traded. On the issue of Bennett or Onterrio, one of them will likely be traded, and that could bring in a defensive starter, maybe Woodson from Oakland or something. Keep your eyes out. If they make the right moves on defense they will be right up there with the Eagles next season...hopefully.

BCWWF

02-14-2005, 01:04 AM

*Double chokeslam by Alphabean and BCWWF*

BCWWF

02-14-2005, 01:05 AM

Even though Alphabean had a much better explanation and more realistic analysis, we rule!

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 01:10 AM

LOL that's the only reason anybody considers him a cancer too right?

Here's a nice rap lyric for you

"I'm like Randy Moss/I play when I wanna"
He gets triple teamed on every play. At 100 pounds soaking wet he has to fight through Al Harris pass interference constantly. And any time a run is called to his side, he always blocks his man as best as he can.

He said that statement a few years ago, and realized that while he does "play when he wants to," he needs to "want to" a lot more than he used to. So I only saw him let up this season when he had been going at 100% for an extended period of time, or was injured.

And don't even mention the Redskins game. 2 seconds left, an onside kick attempt. Was it wrong? Sure, for "morale" reasons, but he was justified in doing it. The Vikings should have won that game. They should have won a lot more games than they did.

Also, the mooning thing was awesome.

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 01:12 AM

BCWWF

02-14-2005, 01:17 AM

My friend saw Birk driving by our houses the other day.

I had to drive my parents to the airport this morning, so I was listening to talk radio the night right after Moss did a call in interview to KFAN and discussed the walk off. What it all comes down to, is that Moss saw 2 seconds left, onsides kick, ok, so he starts walking off expecting it to happen, but it took longer then expected so he was caught in a really dirty situation. I am not condoning it, but I don't think it affected the team as much as it was made out to be.

#1-norm-fan

02-14-2005, 03:48 AM

Moss seems like a good kid. He just needs some lovin'.

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 04:23 AM

If you want to see Birk, go to the Chipotle by his gym. He eats there practically every day. Seen him in there twice so far. I should start going to his gym and eating at that Chipotle all the time, then I will be a big offensive lineman AND FRIENDS WITH MATT BIRK.

VonErich Lives

02-14-2005, 11:29 AM

Triple A

02-14-2005, 12:22 PM

Hey Trips (or other Jets fans),

I'm reading Lamont Jordon is an unrestricted free agent, I thought the Jets had him signed? If not, that's gonna be a tough call, do you give starter money to a guy who gets 1/4 of the plays... otherwise he'll get the starter money elsewhere.

Also, I read MSG wants to buy that site where they're going to build the Jets stadium, and put condos, that way they don't get any competition from the new stadium for events. The Gov is againast it cause he thinks with that stadium you'll get the Olympics.
Everyone on the Jets is saying they want to to try to get LaMont Jordan back. But yeah, they barely ever use him so I dunno. He said he wants to stay with the Jets, but he wants to be a starter too and that isn't gonna happen on the Jets yet.

They are also franchising John Abraham. All the paperwork is going through now or whatever, so he'll be back 100%.

Also heard they might sign Kurt Warner or someone like that to backup Pennington, since he had surgery on his torn rotator cuff and is gonna be out for like five months and maybe even longer, missing some of training camp. :rant:

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 12:23 PM

Well, McCombs is no longer a problem. Team is being sold, new owner has money and is the first black owner in the NFL. I'd expect him to spend a lot of money, top coach, gm, star players etc...

Imagine Pepper throwing to Moss and Burress w/ Edge in the backfield...
1: Burleson is far, far, far better than Burress.

2: Edge would cost a lot of money, when we have 4 potential starter HBs.

3: More like, Andre Dyson, Darren Sharper, Jeremiah Trotter on defense. Or something. We need a Guard, too. But I love Big Dixon, so let's not get ahead of ourselves. The best Kiwi NFL player of all time, David Dixon is. :love:

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 12:25 PM

Everyone on the Jets is saying they want to to try to get LaMont Jordan back. But yeah, they barely ever use him so I dunno. He said he wants to stay with the Jets, but he wants to be a starter too and that isn't gonna happen on the Jets yet.

They are also franchising John Abraham. All the paperwork is going through now or whatever, so he'll be back 100%.

Also heard they might sign Kurt Warner or someone like that to backup Pennington, since he had surgery on his torn rotator cuff and is gonna be out for like five months and maybe even longer, missing some of training camp. :rant:
OMG that's right, Minnesota's gonna sign Ferguson. :love:

BCWWF

02-14-2005, 12:32 PM

I hope this Fowler guy is good, I know Taylor would have been a good fit but I think this guy might be good too. You think Taylor might made a run at the Twins now?

VonErich Lives

02-14-2005, 01:24 PM

1: Burleson is far, far, far better than Burress.

2: Edge would cost a lot of money, when we have 4 potential starter HBs.

3: More like, Andre Dyson, Darren Sharper, Jeremiah Trotter on defense. Or something. We need a Guard, too. But I love Big Dixon, so let's not get ahead of ourselves. The best Kiwi NFL player of all time, David Dixon is. :love:

1) your nuts.

2) Yes, Edge or Alexander would cost a lot and none of your "potential starters" can hold a candle to either of them.

3) You have a lot of cap room, so there should be room to make a few movies, but it's possible the new owner won't do much this year.

On a different note (a team that wins the big games) Scott Pioli turned down 5yrs 15million (3/yr) to run the Seahawks, chosing to stay with the Pats.

I like these guys turning down more money to stay here.

Triple A

02-14-2005, 01:34 PM

OMG that's right, Minnesota's gonna sign Ferguson. :love:
He is the jobber Jets d-lineman. ENJOY.

VonErich Lives

02-14-2005, 04:20 PM

They are also franchising John Abraham. All the paperwork is going through now or whatever, so he'll be back 100%.

You can pull that tag back, a lot of teams use it to negotiate a trade or hold leverage on negotiating a contract. So never say 100% :)

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 06:23 PM

He is the jobber Jets d-lineman. ENJOY. You can replace him with Chris Hovan. ENJOY.

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 06:26 PM

1) your nuts.

2) Yes, Edge or Alexander would cost a lot and none of your "potential starters" can hold a candle to either of them.

3) You have a lot of cap room, so there should be room to make a few movies, but it's possible the new owner won't do much this year.

On a different note (a team that wins the big games) Scott Pioli turned down 5yrs 15million (3/yr) to run the Seahawks, chosing to stay with the Pats.

I like these guys turning down more money to stay here.
1) You obviously never watched Burleson play. His TD against the Colts, or that 60 yard gain against I forget who, where they had him down but he kept his balance and didn't hit the turf, and got back up. He was a beast. We do not need Burress.

2) YOU'RE nuts. Edge is overrated. I'd be a pretty good runningback if I played on the Colts. And Alexander is going to cost far too much.

3) If Glen Taylor finds a way to get the team, he will spend all of his cap room to make the team competitive.

Innovator

02-14-2005, 06:32 PM

Honestly this is my least favorite time of the year. No more football, the Knicks are painful to watch, March Madness hasn't started yet, and spring training hasn't started.

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 06:34 PM

Time to get in your madden, and girl time while you have a chance. That's why they planned Valentines day for this time of year. Perfect timing. Nothing better to do than give girls attention.

Innovator

02-14-2005, 06:40 PM

Time to get in your madden, and girl time while you have a chance. That's why they planned Valentines day for this time of year. Perfect timing. Nothing better to do than give girls <s>attention</s>money.

weather vane

02-14-2005, 06:44 PM

Jeff Garcia just got released. COME ON DOLPHINS! GARCIA-WARNER-BLEDSOE.

NO FEELY!

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 07:03 PM

Garcia is just another Fiedler, but older. And gay instead of jewish.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-14-2005, 07:16 PM

MoRcHeEbA

02-14-2005, 07:21 PM

I doubt Garcia will start in the NFL again he's getting old and I don't think he's poised to lead a team anywhere. I also heard Bledsoes probably gonna get released. not a bad year for back up QB's :shifty:

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-14-2005, 07:25 PM

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 07:42 PM

Garcia is better then Fiedler IMO. I'm kinda surprised the Browns released him. Who the hell are they gonna use for their QB? Kellen Winslow will be back next year for Cleveland too, even though he is a rich kid prick, he's the truth. he is gonna put up huge numbers. But who's gonna throw him the ball?
The idiot browns signed Garcia to a huge contract. Holcomb will do better probably, but they're destined to have another shit season.

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 07:46 PM

Vikings need to build off Claiborne. He impressed me towards the end of the season. Forget about "big time" corner backs. Shut down corners aren't as valuable now since of the newly enforced rules to give the offense more of an advantage. Their coaching staff is nothing special either, they are lucky they even made the playoffs last season. Something needs to be changed is all im saying, coaching staff, marquee player. Beacuse they are just going to keep repeating what they have been doing. Start out like 6-0, 5-1, 7-2 or something like that. Then tank it.
Yeah if Claiborne could stay healthy, he's the fucking man. He's going back to MLB which could be good or bad, dunno. It's better than having EJ making shit reads all the time. But the thing is, if Raonall Smith could stay healthy, too, then we'd have at least two amazing linebackers. add that to udeze with two arms, and a real Nosetackle who takes up two blockers, and our front 7 will finally be what it was supposed to be last season. I was stupid to think that a rookie and 2nd year linebacker would somehow make our front 7 better. Faster, but who cares how fast you are if you overpursue or make the wrong read? Greg Biekert should have come back last season. It'd have been great.

Anyway, yea, raonall smith was an unbelievable force when he played this year. Third-year player, and was healthy for an extended stretch for the first time ever, then he got the concussions :( He might have to retire at 25. If he doesn't, and can survive a full NFL season, then he could quite possibly be pro bowl material. He's an insane playmaker.

BCWWF

02-14-2005, 08:48 PM

They went 6-1 and the lost it this year because Moss went down, and even though he isn't that important according to Jay Marriotti, thats what did it. Last season it was just because the Vikings were not a good enough team to continue that,.

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 09:10 PM

Teams realized our linebackers are stupid, so if you playaction against us and throw it over the middle, you're going to get a completion.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-14-2005, 09:18 PM

I'm surprised EJ Henderson isn't nasty in the pros. I really thought he was gonna be sick after watching him in college.

AlphaBean

02-14-2005, 09:19 PM

I think he has the physical skills, but not the awareness yet to be a star. He will be a late bloomer, for sure. That is, if he ever blooms at all. He and Dontarrius Thomas... sick athletes, poor players.

MoRcHeEbA

02-16-2005, 03:05 PM

can someone explain the franchise tag to me, I know that once they tag someone it basically signs them for a one year contract... but does that player have no say in it at all? and does every team only get one a year? can they choose not to use it and save it or something? and why doesn't seattle or indy tag Alexander and Edge?

AlphaBean

02-16-2005, 03:09 PM

Franchise tag is, I think, the average salary of the 5 highest paid players at that position? Or something. It's a one-year lock, I think it's salary cap independent, but probably not. Players don't get a say. It's I think 2 first round picks if someone signs a Franchised player. But it's a lot of money for a one-year contract, and a lot of players won't agree to an extension if you franchise them. I think if you're having cap problems you don't want to franchise a player, when you think you can live without him.

But it's not too late to franchise Edge and Alexander. Though as much as HBs are being paid now, it might be better to let them go, when the draft is so deep with HBs this year. Dunno.

OssMan

02-16-2005, 04:29 PM

Seahawls signed Walter Jones to like a five year $15mill contract @!@!@! ===(

VonErich Lives

02-16-2005, 05:14 PM

you pretty much hit it bean.

they get the avg of the top 5 salaries for the position and the team gets the right to match any offer and if they don't they get two 1st round picks.

Teams have till feb 22nd I think to designate, there is also an "exclusive" franchise tag, which takes a player off the market and no one can sign him.

There are also some rules about after the tag is put on, you can't negotiate with that player till a certain point and if you do resign them, they keep the franchise tag.

So, say the Pats put the tag on Vinateri (which might happen, and if a teams willing to give up two 1st rounders, I'll bet they let him go) and then sign him before the period is over to a 5yr 25mil deal. say it breaks even at 5mil/yr. Now, say his 5th year he is no longer higher paid then the average of the top 5 salaried kickers, his pay would increase, even though he has a contract.

Also, I'm pretty sure it does count against the cap, cause they were saying Breeze will figure like 8-9mil but the charges have 20+ free space.

VonErich Lives

02-16-2005, 05:22 PM

So, Bledsoe is getting wavied next week, which means the Bills are hoping someone wants to give up some pick for him first.

I predicted he ends up in Dallas a year ago, I stick with it.

BCWWF

02-16-2005, 05:59 PM

Where did Bledsoe go to college?

VonErich Lives

02-16-2005, 06:02 PM

Washington State....

hmm... maybe Seattle signs Alexander, lets hasselback go and signed Bledsoe for short money?

BCWWF

02-16-2005, 06:06 PM

DON'T FORGET ABOUT GUS FEUROTTE :rant:

VonErich Lives

02-16-2005, 06:09 PM

DON'T FORGET ABOUT GUS FEUROTTE :rant:

or Jeff George, but neither has anything to do with Bledsoe being cut by the Bills.

MoRcHeEbA

02-16-2005, 06:28 PM

heard Baltimore is offering up Suggs,McCalister and a 2nd round pick for Moss... Don't know if it's true or not but that seems like alot for moss and im a moss fan.

AlphaBean

02-16-2005, 06:38 PM

Holy shit, that would be hottttttttttttttttttttt, conceivably, but we need CB depth, and Brian Williams is still a very good #2 corner... but imagine winfield, mcalister and williams, running the nickel :drool:

But the problem is, could Suggs actually be a difference-maker as a run-stopping linebacker in a 4-3, or is he still just a pure pass rusher? Cause we have Lance Johnstone as the pass-rusher... we need a guy who won't make shit reads, get burned on both run AND pass defense like Thomas and Henderson. :rant:

The Outlaw

02-16-2005, 11:37 PM

Thomas = Bama boy reprerentin'

AlphaBean

02-17-2005, 03:06 AM

You're bragging?

VonErich Lives

02-17-2005, 10:37 AM

Ted Bruschi was taken to the hospital yesterday, the family is not letting info be released.

What's been said so far "officially" was he had a sever headache and was taken by ambulance from him home to the hospital and is doing well, but being kept for tests and under the care of a Pats team doctor.

The "rumors" are he has stroke like symptons, partial paralasys and blured vision, and theres also talk that he had a stroke in the ambulance.

I hope he's fine, I could care less about him playing right now you just hope he is fine and can play with his kids and watch the grow up.

MoRcHeEbA

02-17-2005, 11:11 AM

yeah it sounds like something my dad had a few years ago they call them "baby strokes" up in canada he should be fine, took my dad about a year to get fully healthy from it again though.

BCWWF

02-17-2005, 12:58 PM

Now the imminent question: If his career is over, does he make the hall of fame?

JK, hope he gets better through, he is the man on and off the field.

DaveWadding

02-17-2005, 01:08 PM

Thomas = Bama boy reprerentin'
Suggs = AZ State boiiii reppin

and Suggs > Thomas

BCWWF

02-17-2005, 02:42 PM

Wadding whats the talk of Hovan rejoining Denny Green in Arizona?

VonErich Lives

02-17-2005, 03:19 PM

yeah it sounds like something my dad had a few years ago they call them "baby strokes" up in canada he should be fine, took my dad about a year to get fully healthy from it again though.

Yeah, there's a report that he suffered a broken blood vessel in his head, but is now sitting up in bed and talking.

Rain Man

02-17-2005, 06:05 PM

Don't like the Patriots but I do like Bruschi and hope everything is ok

VonErich Lives

02-17-2005, 06:22 PM

Yeah, the last report I saw was he still is having headaches, but he been sitting up and talking and "looks fine".

They played the 911 call, his wife called and said they needed and ambulance to take him to Mass General and told the 911 operator her "husband" had numbness on one side of his body and blurred vision. The 911 operator (semi-rudely) said "Well, I can tell you one thing, he's not going to Mass General, from there he'd be going to sturdy" and she said something like "Oh, well, the doctor told me..." and then the stop the recording.

BCWWF

02-17-2005, 10:37 PM

East coast attitude

VonErich Lives

02-18-2005, 03:14 AM

I dunno, I think 911 ops are one of the highest stress/out rates of any job.

That and the guy was right, the job or 911 is to take someone to the nearest hospital capable of handling the problem, otherwise if he died in the amulence they would be liable by going to a futher away hospital. You can call the amulance company direct, rather then 911 (used to do this for my grandmother) then you can pick the hospital and it's still covered by insurance.

That being said, he still endedup and mass general.

VonErich Lives

02-20-2005, 04:45 PM

Some teams just can't manage the cap.

Titans are cutting
Mason, Rolle, Carter, Miller, Holcombe, Nedney.

Wonder how Mason would look in a Pats uniform...

VonErich Lives

02-20-2005, 04:50 PM

Also, there's questions about the possible new Vikings owner.

A business partner of his was invovled in points shaving, plus it appears most his real estate holding are mortgaged and there's question if he has the 150milllion upfront he needs.

He's already apologized for misleading the nfl on some of his finances.

I think this will still go through, first becuse McCombs is bad for the NFL, second the NFL better have clear cut reasons to disallow the first black nfl owner or they're going to get crapped on and probably sued left and right, remember this is a league that has a rule you must interview a minority coach before you can hire a coach or you face fines.

BCWWF

02-20-2005, 05:14 PM

If it doesn't go through then Glen Taylor is already right on deck and will have the team within a week, and Taylor owning the team would probably be even better then Fowler.

AlphaBean

02-20-2005, 05:49 PM

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-20-2005, 05:52 PM

Wow a lot of free agents on the market now with Titans cutting a lot of players. Should be intresting to see what happens

BCWWF

02-20-2005, 06:03 PM

Remember when the Cheifs cut that WR Derrick Alexander or soemthing? He was pretty good and then came to the Vikings and sucked horribly :nono:

AlphaBean

02-20-2005, 08:30 PM

Kevin Dyson... :lol:

The Icon of Elisim

02-21-2005, 12:37 AM

See, Fowler is like Tom Clancy, who wanted the Vikings in 98. Then it came out he owed lots of money in alimony etc. etc., so the deal fell through.

With Glen Taylor, he would have the money, whereas Fowler likely won't, and more importantly, Taylor loves to spend money to win games. For example, the Timberwolves. Who are shooting him in the foot.
Aren't there rules about owning two sports teams?

I could of sworn the guy who owned the Bucs had to sell them because he owned the Dodgers. But I'm probably misinformed

DaveWadding

02-21-2005, 12:40 AM

Aren't there rules about owning two sports teams?

I could of sworn the guy who owned the Bucs had to sell them because he owned the Dodgers. But I'm probably misinformed
I don't think so...

I mean the guy that owns the Tampa Bay Lightning owns the Pistons

AlphaBean

02-21-2005, 12:51 AM

Don't forget the Shock!

But usually an owner shouldn't own two teams because that's a lot of money and time.

BCWWF

02-21-2005, 12:52 AM

I don't think so, because in the Twin Cities media there is always talk about how Taylor was going to be the guy, and even now people still say he is the guy. Maybe some of the league just don't want owners to have two teams, I could see that, but in Taylors case he is one of the only people who has the ability and credibility to locally own teams in Minnesota, so thats probably why.

VonErich Lives

02-21-2005, 03:30 AM

Aren't there rules about owning two sports teams?

I could of sworn the guy who owned the Bucs had to sell them because he owned the Dodgers. But I'm probably misinformed

I'm pretty sure you're right, the NFL won't let you own another sports franchise and an NFL team.

DaveWadding

02-21-2005, 03:44 AM

Don't forget the Shock!

But usually an owner shouldn't own two teams because that's a lot of money and time.
Like anyone considers the WNBA a real sport. :roll:

BCWWF

02-21-2005, 05:51 PM

I'm pretty sure you're right, the NFL won't let you own another sports franchise and an NFL team.
That wasn't mentioned at all that I saw when Glen Taylor was trying to buy the Vikings?

VonErich Lives

02-21-2005, 06:53 PM

That wasn't mentioned at all that I saw when Glen Taylor was trying to buy the Vikings?

Dunno, maybe the NFL changed that... but thought it was a rule, maybe I'm thinking of another sport...

BCWWF

02-21-2005, 07:34 PM

Probably boxing

Rain Man

02-21-2005, 07:44 PM

Coles wants out of Washington I saw today on PTI

MoRcHeEbA

02-21-2005, 08:57 PM

95 catches in a year wassn't enough for him :(

AlphaBean

02-21-2005, 09:01 PM

I suppose that missing the playoffs in the NFC that the fucking Vikings made it, is a pretty big turn-off to someone who wants to win championships.

MoRcHeEbA

02-21-2005, 09:06 PM

so you're saying he should sign with the vikings :rofl:

AlphaBean

02-21-2005, 09:15 PM

Hey, don't you agree? :(

Nah I don't know that I want him here. Though him opposite Moss with Burleson in the slot would be nice.

BCWWF

02-21-2005, 10:54 PM

I've always been a fan of Coles

AlphaBean

02-21-2005, 11:02 PM

He's a burner, but isn't he frail? We have had too many overrated injury-prone fools here lately. Put that next to 150 pound randy moss, we need someone more physical. Like a healthy marcus robinson.

VonErich Lives

02-22-2005, 12:10 PM

Seattle resigned Hasselback, and are now putting the tag on Alexander.

Gonzo

02-23-2005, 11:41 AM

Bledsoe will be in Dallas next year.

Giants cut 5 players, most notably FS Omar Stoutmire and CB Terry Cousin. Stoutmire played FS for a couple years up until last year when he had a season ending injury. Cousin was a CB until the Giants injury plagued secondary forced him to move to Safety.

Anyways, nothing too bad.

#1-norm-fan

02-24-2005, 03:23 AM

BLEDSOOOOOEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

I like him. Dunno if he can still get it done or not... he's just a cool guy.

I was getting more and more excited as I watched the press conference today. He was trying to hold back a smile when he first sat down and all. I was the biggest Drew Bledsoe mark in the world when the Pats drafted him. Now hes in Dallas. I'm so happy, yet so nervous,

The Outlaw

02-24-2005, 07:57 PM

Suggs = AZ State boiiii reppin

and Suggs > Thomas
Thank you Captain Obvious.

Wonder how Alexander likes the tag? :(

Also, any update on teddy?

KingofOldSchool

02-25-2005, 09:11 PM

Pats released Ty Law
Seahawks released Jerry Rice
Panthers also released Mushin Muhammed

Gonzo

02-25-2005, 09:16 PM

I was shocked about the Panthers move. Cap is tough I suppose.

Rice should retire. Law and Muhammed should make nice acquisitions for some other teams.

KingofOldSchool

02-25-2005, 09:19 PM

I see Muhammed going to either Atlanta, Minnesota, or Baltimore.

Gonzo

02-25-2005, 09:26 PM

I can't see him in Minnesota, but I do see him in Baltimore. Minnesota has the 7th pick from the trade so I think for a WR they will go that route. Baltimore would be a nice fit for Muhammed.

AlphaBean

02-25-2005, 10:06 PM

Rice would be a great slot WR for a team that needs a slot WR. He's still got great hands, is in great shape. He may not have the tools, but a slot WR doesn't need them. You just need to know where the marker is. And Rice has that. I see Rice finding a team.

Moose is a Robinson/Burleson type WR. We either need Burress, or Edwards. Unless a faster WR becomes available. Mike Williams, I don't know. He's too slow. We need a deep threat.

Gonzo

02-25-2005, 10:50 PM

Muhammed seems like a possession type guy. If the Vikings go to a run oriented offense that can't be all bad.

You have three backs with the potential to be good provided they develop a decent system, so I could see the Vikings try to do that.

AlphaBean

02-26-2005, 12:03 AM

But see, when we had Moss, no team would ever put 8 in the box against us, because that would leave them vulnerable to being torched deep. Now, teams won't have to respect the deep ball, because our fastest guy is Kelly Campbell, and well, he's not much of a threat. :( Not to mention in jail.

So we need good production out of our O-line next year, and we need Kleinsasser and Rosenthal to come back 100%.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-26-2005, 12:10 AM

Who is going to pick up Ty Law??

AlphaBean

02-26-2005, 12:24 AM

MN, with whatever cap money they have left after signing Burress, Pat Williams, Kenoy Kennedy and Ben Hamilton. :wavesad:

BCWWF

02-26-2005, 02:04 AM

I don't think Minnesota is going to, I thought there would be a chance before hand, but look at my post in the Moss topic and you'll see why.

KingofOldSchool

02-26-2005, 11:26 AM

The Bears have agreed to terms with Mushin Muhammed. :eek:

Gonzo

02-26-2005, 11:44 AM

The Bears need to put the pieces together. I don't know how they went 13-3 back a couple years ago, but obviously they can.

Gonzo

02-26-2005, 11:50 AM

Also the Giants and Rams have opened trade talks for Orlando Pace. I would be estatic if we could get Pace.

BCWWF

02-26-2005, 01:20 PM

If the Bears just got Muhammad...thay opens up Braylon for us maybe?? If we got him then we could spend our cap $ on defense and get Ty Law!!!

Gonzo

02-26-2005, 01:40 PM

I doubt the Vikings get Ty Law.

OssMan

02-26-2005, 01:56 PM

The Vikings wont get Braylon Edwards. Redskins will get him, especially with Laverneus Coles wanting to leave Washington.

Gonzo

02-26-2005, 01:58 PM

The Jets and Skins will probably trade WR's straight up. I doubt it.

I want the Giants to get Orlando Pace really bad.

BCWWF

02-26-2005, 02:21 PM

Ummm...I thought we already went over this, but...

7. Vikings
9. Redskins

But I guess the Skins could just tell the Vikings not to pick him or something?

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-26-2005, 02:27 PM

LOL Or the Vikings could miss their pick again

BCWWF

02-26-2005, 02:29 PM

Damnit I remember that, fuckin A. I don't mean to be a dick, but I mean its the second time that somebody has said that the Redskins would get a guy ahead of the Vikings, come on now folks.

MoRcHeEbA

02-26-2005, 03:12 PM

lol Ottawa drafted a dead guy once in the CFL draft

BCWWF

02-26-2005, 03:18 PM

Missouri elected a dead guy to governor a few years ago

road doggy dogg

02-26-2005, 07:16 PM

Dallas is already in talks with Ty Law, looks like a deal's gonna happen soon

road doggy dogg

02-26-2005, 07:17 PM

From the sounds of it too, all the hype about that S. Moss / Coles deal has died down, deal isn't looking so certain anymore

Gonzo

02-27-2005, 08:17 PM

Yeah saw that bit on ESPN that Coles wants a better contract if he gets traded. Jets don't want that so that deal looks like its not going down.

I hope Law doesn't go to Dallas. :(

Jesus Shuttlesworth

02-28-2005, 12:18 AM

Parcells always brings in players he has had before

AlphaBean

02-28-2005, 06:54 PM

Lawrence Taylor looks like he could still ball. Phil Simms can compete with Bledsoe and Vinny for the starting QB job. Three generations of Tuna QBs.

OssMan

02-28-2005, 07:33 PM

Oh yeah :o forgot about vikings getting a higher draft pick

BCWWF

02-28-2005, 09:58 PM

Maybe you should watch FOX and get hooked then :rant:

MoRcHeEbA

03-01-2005, 05:31 PM

Troy Brown got released today :eek:

AlphaBean

03-01-2005, 06:27 PM

See ya in Dallas, Troy. Enjoy playing nickel back again :p

OssMan

03-01-2005, 06:43 PM

wooooo fuckin Fred Smoot gonna be a free agent :cool:

Jerichoholic

03-02-2005, 02:19 AM

Cowboys Sign Ferguson.

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1109745743103120.xml

Jerichoholic

03-02-2005, 10:57 PM

WHOOOOOO. Free agency has been pretty hot so far.

I'm pretty sad about having to see Dexter Coakley go, and I hope the St. Louis fans enjoy him. He is undersized, and may be starting to slow down a little due to age, but he plays with great heart.

So far I like the two pick ups by the Cowboys. Ferguson is a great Nose tackle to eat up a couple of blockers whether we stay with the 4-3 or make the switch to 3-4.

I don't know too much about Anthony Henry, but from what I have been reading I like him, and hope he can help close up the secondary.

Also Marco Rivera is flying into Dallas, which would make for a hot addition to the Cowboy's weak right side.

Damn, free agency is fun.

Gonzo

03-02-2005, 10:58 PM

Derrick Mason to the Ravens.

BCWWF

03-02-2005, 10:59 PM

The Vikings don't look to sign any big name guys, but the guys they are predicted to be looking at are all real solid it looks like.

Jerichoholic

03-02-2005, 11:00 PM

Also Andruzzi followed Crennel over to the Browns.

I wonder if anyone else from the Pats will join him there eventually.

OssMan

03-02-2005, 11:18 PM

Redskins came to terms with samuel for five years i believe and signed casey rabach at center

AlphaBean

03-02-2005, 11:33 PM

The Icon of Elisim

03-03-2005, 12:32 AM

The Vikings don't look to sign any big name guys, but the guys they are predicted to be looking at are all real solid it looks like.
Signed Pat Williams, thats a nice start

I heard that Tampa has guaranteed Mike Williams that they will take him, anybody else hear this?

Nervous Ferret

03-03-2005, 01:40 AM

jets and giants both after plaxico
Pace to the Giants has died down
Theres pritty much no chance of the jets resigning Lamont

Jerichoholic

03-03-2005, 10:13 AM

What the...

where did Dallas get an unlimited amount of cap space? :wtf:

They had about 20 million dollars free, plus next year there is something like a 15 million or so increase to the cap.

AlphaBean

03-03-2005, 12:20 PM

jets and giants both after plaxico
Pace to the Giants has died down
Theres pritty much no chance of the jets resigning Lamont
Apparently Minnesota and NYG are both on Burress' short list, but NYG has two #1 WRs, also, MN has more money, and a better offense, and NYG have been focused on pierce, pace, etc. etc., so the chances of MN getting him are pretty good.

And Lamont is a Raider.

BCWWF

03-03-2005, 12:26 PM

Yeah, I read that Antonio Pierce (I think thats his name) is going to the Giants now, he would have really helped us defensively, but this Pat Williams guy should be a step up from Steve Martin.

If the Vikings draft Braylon, then personally I wouldn't even want Plaxico. Burleson and Robinson are too good to be #3 and #4 options.

AlphaBean

03-03-2005, 12:32 PM

Get Mike Williams and move him to TE? I mean if we want a big body who can patrol the middle and can't block we'd probably just let Wiggins go.

But yeah I'd rather we got defense. And did you read that the Vikings are absolutely enamored with Mike Williams? So it wouldn't even be Braylon. :mad: I want to hear from Tice, fucking prick, he won't come out and talk about anything, and all we hear about the Vikings is the rumors from the sportsmedia.

Jerichoholic

03-03-2005, 01:02 PM

Cowboys are holding a second press confernce later today that I think is going to make Ferguson official, and hopefully update on Rivera.

Jones also said that they were done with CBs in free agency, unless it was a CB that could make the transition to FS. So I'm kind of hopefully that if Ty Law can get healthy we will sign him as a free Saftey, which would be a pay cut that I don't know if he would take.

Which would make our secondary
RCB: Henry
LCB: Newman
NCB: Hunter
SS: Willaims
FS: Law

PRITTY HOTT. If it could happpen

Innovator

03-03-2005, 01:11 PM

I'll be happier than a pig in shit if the Giants pick up Plaxico

OssMan

03-03-2005, 02:22 PM

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yeah Pierce is pretty much leaving the Redskins, he says that they are his first choice but it is obviously bullshit. He said that he deserves to be paid more, and if the redskins match his offer (which is like 27.5 million for three years I think and a 6.75 million signing bonus) then he would stay, but its probably not gonna happen.

Gibbs originally had keeping him as one of the top priorities for the offseason, but now he is focusing on other things pretty much, knowing that Pierce is pretty "out of reach."

OssMan

03-03-2005, 02:49 PM

GOD RAIDERS ARE GONNA SING LAMONT JORDAN

Wow fjdso like a 27 million dollar deal :( At least its good to see him starting

What are the fucking jets gonna do when they realize curtis martin is old

Jerichoholic

03-04-2005, 12:21 AM

WOOO.

Officially got Rivera. Three pro-bowlers on our O-line now.

Gonzo

03-04-2005, 07:37 AM

Pierce is officially a NY Giant. :cool:

Totally revamped LB Corp from two years ago. Signed Carlos Emmons and Barrett Green a year ago and Antonio Pierce is going to lockdown the MLB this year. :cool:

BCWWF

03-04-2005, 02:51 PM

You know who the Jets need, and who could actually fit in and do really well...SOD Onterrio Smith. I could see him being good over there, and I don't want him anymore. We'll trade you for him http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/rant.gif

OssMan

03-04-2005, 05:18 PM

...giants released ike hilliard :'(

Innovator

03-04-2005, 05:21 PM

Eh I'm sad to see Hilliard go but I'm not surprised

Innovator

03-04-2005, 05:21 PM

NOW GO AFTER PLAXICO!

Innovator

03-04-2005, 05:23 PM

The Giants also got Kareem Mackenzie, which is HUUUUUUUUUUGE

Supreme Olajuwon

03-04-2005, 05:30 PM

Bengals haven't done much in terms of blockbuster signings but they got Rudi and TJ back into the mix which is great. They're also looking into Bryan Robinson to put on the line which would be sweet

Gonzo

03-04-2005, 07:04 PM

I've never heard much of Kareem MacKenzie, time to do some homework.

I read somewhere on ESPN that Plaxico had Minnesota and the NYG on the top of his list.

OssMan

03-04-2005, 08:01 PM

i dont know if plaxico should be top priority..giants will probably have toomer and carter starting but tyree and taylor look promising.

ALSO:

JETS SIGNED DERRICK BLAYLOCK :cool:

Jesus Shuttlesworth

03-04-2005, 08:37 PM

Ty Law would never play safety, hes a shutdown corner.

Redskins signed David Patten :(

BCWWF

03-04-2005, 10:20 PM

Personally, if we could I would much rather have Braylon then Plaxico. It would be nice if we could wait until after the draft to get him, but who knows.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

03-05-2005, 05:35 PM

Roddy White is going to be the best WR coming out of this draft.......maybe haha

MoRcHeEbA

03-05-2005, 05:40 PM

yeah kinda hoping the Vikes take Johnson with the 7th pick and White with the 18th if he's still around.

Rain Man

03-06-2005, 12:15 AM

Eagles resigned Buckhalter, and Trotter and let Jermaine Mayberry go to the Saints.. Thank god we resigned Trotter. Buckhalter got injured on the first play of the preseason last season so I really don't know if he will do much

OssMan

03-06-2005, 11:33 PM

WOOOOooo Plaxico burress is going to new york tommorow to talk with the giants :cool:

STILL DONT THINK THEY NEED HIM THAT BAD THOUGH, i mean they have carter and jamaar taylor who can be a deep threat, plus they have toomer also :mad:

Still would be a nice addition though

Jesus Shuttlesworth

03-06-2005, 11:35 PM

Burress is way better then any of those guys you mentioned.

MoRcHeEbA

03-06-2005, 11:38 PM

yeah a visit don't really mean much these days. I think the vikings are actually just kinda playing with him too... seeing if he gets a decent contract then they will probably match it or something since Burress said he would like to play for the Vikings... I would also rather be catching balls from Culpepper then Eli.

MoRcHeEbA

03-06-2005, 11:38 PM

I also heard Stima would be rather catching culpeppers balls in his mouth.

OssMan

03-06-2005, 11:56 PM

Nervous Ferret

03-07-2005, 12:03 AM

u still have no O-line besides mckenzie

MoRcHeEbA

03-07-2005, 12:17 AM

Burress also said that he would rather play on a team with a good running back, tight end, and quarterback which the giants have except for qb.. eli should be "blossoming" though and whatnot so we will see

word I forgot about Culpepper,Wiggins/Kleinsasser, Bennet,Moore,Smith...

I see what you're saying that he wants to play with though :p

Jesus Shuttlesworth

03-07-2005, 12:17 AM

Either way get Burress off the Steelers please

And Cheeba how about you catch my balls in your mouth you stupid slut

MoRcHeEbA

03-07-2005, 12:18 AM

sorry I don't do O-line

road doggy dogg

03-07-2005, 12:26 AM

YES Cards signed Warner. He's not coming to Detroit now. :love:

lol though, gonna get stuck with Garcia

MoRcHeEbA

03-07-2005, 12:43 AM

it would have been better if Warner went to detroit... Harrington probably could keep his job if he was there. Garcia's gonna steal it from Harrington.

Jesus Shuttlesworth

03-07-2005, 12:46 AM

sorry I don't do O-line
Good thing because I'm playing Tight end in college ;) ;) ;)

BCWWF

03-07-2005, 12:50 AM

If the Lions go with Garcia, does that mean they give up on Harrington now? I thought he was going to be like the future for them?

The Outlaw

03-07-2005, 12:58 AM

White is sick

MoRcHeEbA

03-07-2005, 01:55 AM

If the Lions go with Garcia, does that mean they give up on Harrington now? I thought he was going to be like the future for them?

nah from what I heard though it's that Garcia already knows there offense and they don't think harrington has it down pat yet.

DaveWadding

03-07-2005, 05:36 PM

OH. MY. GOD.

Samari Rolle signed with the Ravens :o

#1-norm-fan

03-07-2005, 05:42 PM

lol. That doesn't make any sense. How maybe DBs does Baltimore need???

Innovator

03-07-2005, 06:01 PM

Plaxico visited the Giants today, lets hope things went well

BCWWF

03-07-2005, 06:27 PM

Star Trib today said the Vikings are no longer interested in Plax :?:

MoRcHeEbA

03-07-2005, 06:53 PM

yeah I read that too. Although it seems they plan to trade Bennet for either Darius or Surtain which wouldn't make it so bad if they take Edwards in the first round while upgrading the secondary. I also think the vikes will probably land Burress for some reason.

Innovator

03-07-2005, 06:55 PM

the vikes should trade up and get Mike Williams

BCWWF

03-07-2005, 07:34 PM

Mike Williams should be there when they pick. If they were going to trade up it should be to get Braylon.

Right now, it should go like this...
1. 49ers - Aaron Rodgers
2. Dolphins - Ronnie Brown
3. Browns - Alex Smith
4. Bears - Braylon Edwards (Most likely trade down and let somebody else have him)
5. Buc's - Cedric Benson
6. Titans - Pac Man
7. Vikings - Derrick Johnson
8. Cardinals - Cadillac
9. Redskins - Mike Williams
10. Lions - Dan Cody

Innovator

03-07-2005, 07:49 PM

I forgot the Vikings had #7 overall, yeah he's a lock

BCWWF

03-07-2005, 07:52 PM

BCWWF

03-07-2005, 07:53 PM

My bad, I came back to this browser and it was still there so I assumed the reply didn't work.

DaveWadding

03-07-2005, 09:06 PM

lol. That doesn't make any sense. How maybe DBs does Baltimore need???
they lost their other starting corner (Gary Baxter) to Cleveland.

AlphaBean

03-07-2005, 10:09 PM

Not to mention Corey Fuller is 80, and Dale Carter probably retired, and I don't know if Deion is coming back, but talk about a bunch of old guys.

Whichever the case, they only had one good corner left. I don't think Raymond Walls is going to shut anyone down.

MoRcHeEbA

03-08-2005, 02:06 PM

lol appearently Burress didn't go to visit the giants yesterday saying he had the flu and was then spotted in Miami with McCombs.

OssMan

03-08-2005, 03:57 PM

Well thats not really a big deal considering that he was scheduled to leave from miami anyway

Gonzo

03-08-2005, 05:01 PM

lol appearently Burress didn't go to visit the giants yesterday saying he had the flu and was then spotted in Miami with McCombs.
I was annoyed about that. Burress has a meeting with the Giants Wednesday though.http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

So far the Giants have been pretty active, maybe the most so far out of any team with the signings of McKenzie, Miller, Pierce and Feely.

Innovator

03-08-2005, 05:28 PM

yeah Burress had the flu *hungover*

the Giants are doing what they needed to do, especially since we don't have a first round pick.

OssMan

03-08-2005, 06:54 PM

who is miller

BCWWF

03-08-2005, 06:57 PM

The point guard on the Nuggets

AlphaBean

03-08-2005, 06:59 PM

Hahaha it's Jim Miller, loser QB. Don't know why anyone would care.

ANYWAY

It sounds like Fred Smoot is a Viking. DUNNO YET.

Gonzo

03-08-2005, 07:24 PM

Jim Miller, more or less someone to fill out the depth chart.

The Icon of Elisim

03-08-2005, 11:02 PM

Hahaha it's Jim Miller, loser QB. Don't know why anyone would care.

ANYWAY

It sounds like Fred Smoot is a Viking. DUNNO YET.
Official

Jesus Shuttlesworth

03-08-2005, 11:27 PM

McAllister and Rolle pretty good cornerback tandum

DaveWadding

03-08-2005, 11:49 PM

McAllister and Rolle pretty good cornerback tandum
plus Reed, Suggs, and RayRay...

That makes me quiver just thinking about it :$

The Icon of Elisim

03-09-2005, 12:01 AM

McAllister and Rolle pretty good cornerback tandum
Thats a pretty big understatement. Those are two legit shutdown corners

AlphaBean

03-09-2005, 12:27 AM

plus Reed, Suggs, and RayRay...

That makes me quiver just thinking about it :$
Quiver?

:rofl:

:love:

Jesus Shuttlesworth

03-09-2005, 12:51 AM

Thats a pretty big understatement. Those are two legit shutdown corners
And they just have one of the best of all time in the defensive backfield (even though he is mad old football wise, and just plays nickle back) for shits and giggles

MoRcHeEbA

03-09-2005, 01:13 AM

yeah god damn if Baltimore had an offense they would be killer.

BCWWF

03-09-2005, 01:22 AM

The updated ESPN draft predictions go as follows

1. 49ers - Alex Smith
2. Dolphins - Ronnie Brown
3. Browns - Aaron Rodgers
4. Bears - Cedric Benson
5. Bucs - Cadillac Wilson
6. Titans - Pac Man
7. Vikings - Braylon Edwards
8. Cardinals - Derrick Johnson
9. Redskins - Mike Williams

Another one they just put up had the Bears taking Braylon, the Vikes taking Mike Williams, and the Cards taking Cedric, that seems more realistic to me. I could see Benson and Fitzgerald dominating in the future.

MoRcHeEbA

03-09-2005, 01:31 AM

k this might be a little out of left field but does anyone think that perhaps the Browns take Pac Man (as they signed dilfer for 4 years today and have two good young QB's) but where would this leave Rodgers if that's who everyone thinks they're gonna take? how far do you think Rodgers would fall and who would Tennesse take if Pac Man wassn't available to them?

BCWWF

03-09-2005, 10:42 AM

Tennessee is a complete hole for me, the only reason I think they will take Pac Man is because thats what the experts keep saying. They dropped so many guys I don't know what they need.

DaveWadding

03-10-2005, 12:46 PM

yeah god damn if Baltimore had an offense they would be killer.
All that needs to happen is Boller needs to improve a bit. A better Boller + Jamal Lewis + Derrick Mason = above average.

Gonzo

03-10-2005, 03:02 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2009691

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Innovator

03-10-2005, 03:05 PM

he wanted more fucking money...bastard

MoRcHeEbA

03-10-2005, 03:30 PM

I don't really understand why he didn't get a contract like Muhammad's apart from last year he's always put up decent numbers... OH WELL Giants loss can be the vikings gain.

Nervous Ferret

03-10-2005, 03:49 PM

Giants didn't get Burress. HAHA....Dunno guess he'll be a Viking? Unless someone swoops in at the last second.

Gonzo

03-10-2005, 03:58 PM

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Fuck him then, greedy bastard. Thats pretty bad. Wanting to play one year to throw up some statistics to increase his own self worth. Doesn't seem like a team player in that respect.

Nervous Ferret

03-10-2005, 04:00 PM

Somebody got shaftedddddddddddd :lol:

AlphaBean

03-10-2005, 06:24 PM

He's been hanging out in Miami with Pep. :love:

The thing with him is, he may not be a team player, he may play for the money, but it's not all about the money. He does what it takes to earn the money. He keeps his mouth shut and works hard so he can get paid. Everyone plays for money in the NFL.

But if he's talking to Pep, :drool:, that means they will get along great. YAY.

Rain Man

03-16-2005, 06:26 PM

Burgess went to the Raiders... :rant:

MoRcHeEbA

03-16-2005, 06:34 PM

there goes their superbowl chances.

Rain Man

03-16-2005, 07:57 PM

Miek McMahon is talking with the Eagles. Better back up than Koy Boy

Supreme Olajuwon

03-16-2005, 08:03 PM

plus Reed, Suggs, and RayRay...

That makes me quiver just thinking about it :$

yeah but they can't all cover Chad Johnson so I'm not too worried about it

DaveWadding

03-16-2005, 11:32 PM

yeah but they can't all cover Chad Johnson so I'm not too worried about it
Yeah, but Carson Palmer has to get the ball to Chad Johnson FIRST.

SammyG

03-16-2005, 11:39 PM

YES, pace resigns with the rams.. that woulda sucked ass if we woulda lost him, the line is weak as it is

Supreme Olajuwon

03-17-2005, 04:14 AM

Yeah, but Carson Palmer has to get the ball to Chad Johnson FIRST.
Well he had 700 yards against the Ravens last year so I wouldn't worry about it.

Supreme Olajuwon

03-17-2005, 04:14 AM

and Rudi signed a long term deal

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Innovator

03-17-2005, 11:47 PM

PLAXICO SIGNS WITH BIG BLUE

BCWWF

03-17-2005, 11:55 PM

Personally I think we are better without him, even if we don't take Braylon or Mike in the playoffs. We have a solid WR core and three outstanding running backs

OssMan

03-17-2005, 11:55 PM

whatwhatwhatwhatWHATWHATWHAT

link

BCWWF

03-17-2005, 11:57 PM

espn.com :roll:

OssMan

03-17-2005, 11:58 PM

oh my goddddddddddddddddddddddddd

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2015570

The Icon of Elisim

03-18-2005, 12:17 AM

Plax is good, not a number 1 reciever though

MoRcHeEbA

03-18-2005, 11:10 AM

yeah good for the giants but they still need an O-line, D-line, Secondary, Outside linebackers... then they will be good.

Evil Vito

03-18-2005, 04:33 PM

PLAXXXXXXX :cool:

Gonzo

03-18-2005, 04:36 PM

yeah good for the giants but they still need an O-line, D-line, Secondary, Outside linebackers... then they will be good.
*sigh*

The O-Line needs a dash of improvement. Our defensive line is pretty solid barring any huge injuries. Our outside linebackers our actually pretty good if not decent enough to get the job done.

We have quite possibly one of the most underated cover corners in the league in Willy P and another pretty good guy in Will Allen. Our FS is a weak spot but we have Gibril Wilson and Shaun Williams both returning to 100%. Gibril is going to be a playmaker in this league.

SO HAVE IT MORCHEEBA.

Nervous Ferret

03-18-2005, 04:42 PM

nawww You really need an offensive line though. Are you switching McKenzie to weakside or what

OssMan

03-18-2005, 07:16 PM

Cant really say anything about their defensive line just yet...they released Norman Hand and Keith Washington both starters and signed Kendrick clancy so i dont know. plus Pierce will add a lot to the defense i guess, and i think the secondary can survive.

Evil Vito

03-18-2005, 10:06 PM

Yeah the Giants D really isn't all that bad.

Their secondary shouldn't be too bad, with Allen and Peterson at the corners and Williams/Wilson in safety.

Linebackers are pretty good too, with Pierce, Emmons, and Green (possibly even Greisen).

D-Line is probably the worst part, but even that's not horrible. Obviously Strahan is always great, and Umenyiora showed some serious improvement last year. I can't say I know much of Kendrick Clancy, but I'm sure he'll do well, and as for the other DT slot (unless they decide to switch to 3-4 which I don't see happeneing), I heard they might be signing Chris Hovan.