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M. Banana
03-27-2005, 12:50 PM
I think maybe a third major show. That way they could push more talent and maybe earn more money.

James Steele
03-27-2005, 12:54 PM
That would actually be a good idea... but they don' have enough main eventers. Plus, imagine how damn shitty a "C Show" would be.

The Mackem
03-27-2005, 01:09 PM
They should probably use what they already have, y'know give them something to do.

Disturbed316
03-27-2005, 01:43 PM
Heat/Velocity

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 02:32 PM
That would actually be a good idea... but they don' have enough main eventers. Plus, imagine how damn shitty a "C Show" would be.
The thing is, they could certainly MAKE main eventers with their star power.

I've advocated the idea of turning Heat/Velocity into sort of a farm league show for a while now, and I think it could work, as long as they develop storylines and the like. Heck, you could even riff off the whole "reality" craze, and have competitions for tickets to the "big leagues."

The only problem is it would require effort, just as main eventers on a C show would.

#1-norm-fan
03-27-2005, 02:32 PM
Heat/Velocity

Exactly

KayfabeMan
03-27-2005, 02:46 PM
Realism.

Vince needs to stop pushing what HE likes, and start pushing what the people actually want to see on TV. He has this idea that people will buy whatever he sells, but that is surely not the case - as evident by the current condition / direction of his company.

KayfabeMan
03-27-2005, 02:57 PM
The thing is, they could certainly MAKE main eventers with their star power.

I've advocated the idea of turning Heat/Velocity into sort of a farm league show for a while now, and I think it could work, as long as they develop storylines and the like. Heck, you could even riff off the whole "reality" craze, and have competitions for tickets to the "big leagues."

The only problem is it would require effort

Just to elaborate on this a little.

This is what I said long ago. They certainly can create big stars, if there was a desire to do so. Vince keeps looking for a quick-fix solution, like during the 80's, when it only took a small push for Hogan to become a big star. That isn't going to happen, and apparently he's not committed to giving anything or anyone a chance to work.

Don't mistake this as me being a fan of the guy, but, they bring in Mordecai, hype him up with promos, and then just as quickly as he debuts and gets TV time - he disappears. They don't even give him a chance to get over, before nixing the idea, and then they find flaws in him because they didn't think ahead at all when bringing him up to TV.

They did the same thing with Gail Kim. They sign her, bring her basically right up to RAW, put the Title on her right away, and then she disappears and is fired / realeased. They then later complain that she was / is green. Nice time to think about it after you sign her and give her a big ass push. There is a total lack of committment and direction within the company - and that is the main problem.

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 02:57 PM
Realism.

Vince needs to stop pushing what HE likes, and start pushing what the people actually want to see on TV. He has this idea that people will buy whatever he sells, but that is surely not the case - as evident by the current condition / direction of his company.
BLASPHEMY! VINCE MCMAHON IS A GENIUS!

KayfabeMan
03-27-2005, 02:59 PM
OK, so maybe I was Mr.Obvious there. :lol:

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 03:05 PM
Just to elaborate on this a little.

This is what I said long ago. They certainly can create big stars, if there was a desire to do so. Vince keeps looking for a quick-fix solution, like during the 80's, when it only took a small push for Hogan to become a big star. That isn't going to happen, and apparently he's not committed to giving anything or anyone a chance to work.

Don't mistake this as me being a fan of the guy, but, they bring in Mordecai, hype him up with promos, and then just as quickly as he debuts and gets TV time - he disappears. They don't even give him a chance to get over, before nixing the idea, and then they find flaws in him because they didn't think ahead at all when bringing him up to TV.

They did the same thing with Gail Kim. They sign her, bring her basically right up to RAW, put the Title on her right away, and then she disappears and is fired / realeased. They then later complain that she was / is green. Nice time to think about it after you sign her and give her a big ass push. There is a total lack of committment and direction within the company - and that is the main problem.
A lot of people have said this for a long time. The lack of foresight is stunning. To decide someone's too green AFTER pushing him like this is not only ineffective, but counterproductive.

Mordecai should have been thought about before pushing him. This is pretty common.

Rock Bottom
03-27-2005, 03:47 PM
The Rock :p

Hitman84
03-27-2005, 04:13 PM
IMHO a third show would have to be just for lower mid card/jobber type talent. If it weren't then the company would have to come up with a third set of championships, which would make the idea of being a champion even less important.

I have already mentioned in another post that I think there being two world titles makes it seem worthless (especially as Triple H seems glued to the World Heavyweight belt, but thats another story ...), so a third would be even worse.

For a third show to work, SmackDown! and RAW (and their respective championships) should be given completely equal status, and the third, minor league type, show should be for the workers who:

a) don't get much TV time
b) job to the likes of Triple H, Bradshaw or Kurt Angle every time they do
c) are obviously talented but haven't had the pushes they deserve (the Hurricane springs to mind here)

The Overdrive
03-27-2005, 04:28 PM
IMHO a third show would have to be just for lower mid card/jobber type talent. If it weren't then the company would have to come up with a third set of championships, which would make the idea of being a champion even less important.

I have already mentioned in another post that I think there being two world titles makes it seem worthless (especially as Triple H seems glued to the World Heavyweight belt, but thats another story ...), so a third would be even worse.

For a third show to work, SmackDown! and RAW (and their respective championships) should be given completely equal status, and the third, minor league type, show should be for the workers who:

a) don't get much TV time
b) job to the likes of Triple H, Bradshaw or Kurt Angle every time they do
c) are obviously talented but haven't had the pushes they deserve (the Hurricane springs to mind here)

Nice idea,

Usually it's the Lightweights who get made a fool of

Steven Richards
Hurricane
Simon Dean
Maven
Tajiri

Blah blah, the list goes on and on. But a third show what be a credibility to those superstars, it'd make a change from getting kicked in the ball sack by the likes of that red head bitch.

Which reminds me, why to the CW guys have to job to the new guys in the new guys first few matches? Isn't that act getting a little over used after all these men have done it)

Masters
Dean
Kenzo
Snitsky
Hassan
Shelton (when he got drafted)
Batistia

And yet the WWE still try to make the worst wrestlers alive today by beating World Class superstars.

adamwwe
03-27-2005, 04:45 PM
A THIRD show with its own wrestlers? That would require more stars, and the split is already forcing WWE to try too hard in that regard.

There's already one too many rosters.

The end of the roster split and the firing of those nobody cares about or WWE refuses to use (several of the weekend guys) would benefit WWE tremendously.

Tremendously.

EDIT: Reducing the PPV schedule to 4-6 per year would be sweet, too.

PorkSoda
03-27-2005, 05:03 PM
Tag teams and cruiserweights could help the WWE. :)

The Overdrive
03-27-2005, 05:26 PM
Decent talent being in the Main Event and Triple H not in the World Title picture could help the WWE. :)

:y:

M. Banana
03-27-2005, 05:29 PM
A THIRD show with its own wrestlers? That would require more stars, and the split is already forcing WWE to try too hard in that regard.

There's already one too many rosters.

I already don't like you...


They wouldn't need more stars either. Look at all the wrestler's on both rosters who don't get TV time at all. There are so many of them. Takes those and put them on the C show. It's that simple. It would make more of the roster look somewhat credible.

James Steele
03-27-2005, 05:29 PM
Originally Posted By The Overdrive
Originally Posted By Pork Soda
Being original and not ripping off an old joke could help the WWE and The Overdrive. :)
:y:

:y:

M. Banana
03-27-2005, 05:31 PM
Getting rid of Triple H altogether would help WWE

The Overdrive
03-27-2005, 05:34 PM
:y:

:y:

M. Banana
03-27-2005, 05:37 PM
:y: :y:

:y:

The Overdrive
03-27-2005, 05:39 PM
:shifty:

M. Banana
03-27-2005, 05:41 PM
:y:

The Overdrive
03-27-2005, 05:42 PM
[/getting old rather fast]

M. Banana
03-27-2005, 05:43 PM
:y:

KayfabeMan
03-27-2005, 06:13 PM
:y:

Hey, everyone else did it. :shifty:

M. Banana
03-27-2005, 06:16 PM
:y:

M. Banana
03-27-2005, 06:17 PM
:y: :y:

M. Banana
03-27-2005, 06:17 PM
:y: :y: :y:

adamwwe
03-27-2005, 06:18 PM
I already don't like you...


They wouldn't need more stars either. Look at all the wrestler's on both rosters who don't get TV time at all. There are so many of them. Takes those and put them on the C show. It's that simple. It would make more of the roster look somewhat credible.

By stars I mean main eventers. Every roster needs a few, and there are barely enough (if there are enough) to keep two rosters credible. And look at things that are happening: Orton got pushed way too early. Batista got pushed a little too fast. Cena got pushed too fast. WWE is forced, by the split, to work too hard at making new stars. There's no reason those three guys can't wait a year.

Oh, and somebody give Edge a pat on the back for his efforts at pretending to be a main eventer. Pat him on the back and send him back to the midcard.

Everybody harps on HHH for holding the belt too much. Funny, before that the complaint I kept reading was that the belt was tossed around too much and meant nothing because of it.

There are no main event material guys not being used right now. Try and name one.

M. Banana
03-27-2005, 06:32 PM
The belt has become part of Triple H's waist. We don't want it to jump from person to person every week, but we don't want it on the same person for three years.

There are PLENTY of main event material guys not being used. The WWE just tricks us into thinking otherwise by keeping people like Trips and JBL on top.

adamwwe
03-27-2005, 07:05 PM
Who?? Jericho is about the only guy that comes to mind, and even he now needs to be built back up for a while due to being buried so badly. And hes being used ok now. Not main eventing, but I do like what they are doing with him going into Mania (despite how much an overbooked mess that match is).

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 07:18 PM
By stars I mean main eventers. Every roster needs a few, and there are barely enough (if there are enough) to keep two rosters credible.
Bullshit.

There's a ton of star power in the WWE, and all they really need is a place where they're not squashed in order to shine.

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 07:19 PM
Errr...I mean :y:

KayfabeMan
03-27-2005, 07:35 PM
The belt has become part of Triple H's waist

Yeah, he's like one of those old Tonka / WWF Wrestling Buddy dolls.

http://www.wrestlingcollection.com/odd24_bestanden/image005.jpg

owenbrown
03-27-2005, 08:08 PM
you know how to make WWE better?!.... SUSPEND HHH from the active roster indefinetely and move JBL back to mid card. Keep both of em away from the world titles.

James Steele
03-27-2005, 08:11 PM
owenbrown, Click On This (http://tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=786176&postcount=61)

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 08:12 PM
:love:

owenbrown
03-27-2005, 08:15 PM
:rofl: :p

Fox
03-27-2005, 08:17 PM
Controversy and unexpectedness will help the WWE.

Back in the day, you really didn't know what was going to happen when you tuned into RAW, but you knew it was going to be something cool. It was common to be watching RAW and spout out lines like "Holy shit, Austin has a beer truck!" - "Where the fuck did all that blood come from?" - "No way is Taker going to crucify that bitch... holy shit!" - "DX is so fucking great."

These days, nothing makes you jump up in your seat. RAW has become as predictable as a Harlem Globetrotters game. HHH promo - IC Title match - Evolution segment - Christian match with Tomko's interference - HBK match - Jericho segment - Tag title match or women's segment - HHH match or segment to end the show. It's predictable and rather boring.

I think the problem is the writers. They keep hiring god damn soap opera writers who don't know shit about wrestling, so they just do what Stephanie and her croonies ask them to do.

Fox
03-27-2005, 08:17 PM
Controversy and unexpectedness will help the WWE.

Back in the day, you really didn't know what was going to happen when you tuned into RAW, but you knew it was going to be something cool. It was common to be watching RAW and spout out lines like "Holy shit, Austin has a beer truck!" - "Where the fuck did all that blood come from?" - "No way is Taker going to crucify that bitch... holy shit!" - "DX is so fucking great."

These days, nothing makes you jump up in your seat. RAW has become as predictable as a Harlem Globetrotters game. HHH promo - IC Title match - Evolution segment - Christian match with Tomko's interference - HBK match - Jericho segment - Tag title match or women's segment - HHH match or segment to end the show. It's predictable and rather boring.

I think the problem is the writers. They keep hiring god damn soap opera writers who don't know shit about wrestling, so they just do what Stephanie and her croonies ask them to do.


Actually, the real answer to this question is simple:

COMPETITION

Karlsberg
03-27-2005, 08:20 PM
:y:

I thought i would do it because i felt left out before.

:'(

Marcyo
03-27-2005, 08:22 PM
COMPETITION

TNA.






























What, are you looking for a sarcastic smiley?

Ok, ok. TNA... in a couple of years. If Jarrett drops the title.

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 08:24 PM
I think they need a good racist gimmick.

James Steele
03-27-2005, 08:24 PM
Originally Posted By Marcyo
Ok, ok. TNA... in a couple of years. If Jarrett drops the title.


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Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 08:25 PM
TNA.






























What, are you looking for a sarcastic smiley?

Ok, ok. TNA... in a couple of years. If Jarrett drops the title.
That's like saying "Ghandi, if he gave up the whole pacifism thing and learned Kung Fu."

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 08:26 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
What he said.

Fox
03-27-2005, 08:30 PM
I think they need a good racist gimmick.

Hire Dave Chapelle to do his blind black-white supremacist character on RAW.

Feud him with Shelton Benjamin.

Chapelle: 'Ah got one question fer yew! Why is it that a NIGGER is the Intercontinental Champion... and he hasn't pawned it for crack money yet?!

Benjamin: :wtf:

Marcyo
03-27-2005, 08:33 PM
Ok, ok. TNA... in a couple of years. <s>If Jarrett drops the title</s> if a plane mysteriously crashes on Jarrett.

Fixed.

adamwwe
03-27-2005, 08:47 PM
Bullshit.

There's a ton of star power in the WWE, and all they really need is a place where they're not squashed in order to shine.

Very few of them are ready for the main event. You could say Cena, Orton, and Batista are, but even thats a little bit of a stretch. No reason why they can't wait.

Benoit and Guerrero had nice runs just last year.

Jericho needs time to be built back up.

Undertaker and Flair will be retired soon enough.

Who's left... oh yeah, HHH.

Bigg Mike
03-27-2005, 08:53 PM
I was talking with Bigfeets from Rajahs last night about how much of a rut WWE is in.

I think that we are all expecting something that isn't going to come (at least for awhile.) How long was the WWF in the dumps for before they were able to garner media attention again? I'd say much of the 90s. There are lulls in the wrestling business, it's not uncommon. But there used to be at least territorial competition, television competition, etc.

Now it's just the WWE, and the much lesser TNA, and about 100,000 ECW knock off Indy Feds with a hardcore concept and 50,000 WWE knock off feds with stars like Stone Cold Bill Williams, Boykind, Dude Cool, The Billion Dollar Man, and an evil owner. These feds last about 6 months each, before they capsize and realize this isn't going to work. Independent Wrestling promotions used to be something cool, it'd be a treat to see a top somebody from another territory wrestling in yours. Now it's just rip offs of the main federation. I rambled a bit off topic there, didn't I? Ok, let me try to get back into it...

The WWE's problem is they have TOO much talent. They bring in new wrestlers with an identical look, not much of a backstory, and pretty bland movesets. I look at Smackdown, and I don't have a clue who's who sometimes. Bringing in talent is a good idea if you have a revolving door or another federation luring your talent away. That's not happening right now, and the WWE has about 50 wrestlers for EACH brand to be packed into a 2 hour show. Pretty hard to do, right?

So when you have that many wrestlers, and the numbers keep growing, what are the writers to do? They plan for the short term. They don't let feuds grow, they don't let tag teams grow together (most tag teams now are brought in just to break up, whereas many tag teams were able to stay together for years without needing to do so), and they hope that we forget all the backstories they've given us. When a new wrestler is introduced now, they have been aiming to play young cocky heels. What seperates them from each other? Watching wrestling, you do have to watch it with a fantasy in mind...you have to try and run with the charcters.

But how many pregnancy angles have been done? How many marriage angles have been done? How many tag team partners split up after barely a few months together? It gets bland and predictable. And that's where it hurts. We've seen it all before, so we crave something newer and fresher. We're waiting for the next era. We're waiting for someone to make the jump from The Ringmaster into Stone Cold, from the Blue Chipper into The Peoples Champion.

And who's going to do it? It's going to get harder to choose. The people look alike. Nobody has that look that seperates them from the rest. And the gimmicks are going to get blander. How much longer can a white rapper last before it gets old? Could Shawn Michaels have lasted as a hair band 80s rocker in 1997? Probably not. If John Cena is the future of Smackdown, they should try to slowly morph him away from that. And if it's going to be hard to do with one wrestler, what about the other 100 (estimated from the WWE Superstars section on WWE.com, just counted, didn't look to see who's active or not) or so people currently signed with the WWE?
Making a third brand would not help the WWE. It may seem ideal, but it wouldn't help anyone really. Who would be champ for the third rate brand? They wouldn't be a credible threat...it'd be the illusion of WWE, WCW, and ECW all over again but under one person. You have one dominant one, a secondary strong one, and a weaker third brand. An illusion of competition won't help the WWE. What are they going to do, outbid themselves to sign someone like HHH when his contract is up? That's just stupid. A third brand wouldn't help, it'd make things more complicated and it would waste more money. They need REAL competition.

And is there going to be main competition for the WWE in the near future? Someone to make Vince shit a brick? No. The WWE has a monopoly on all the talents in wrestling at the moment. And why would a rich person want to risk his and his partners money on something that they have a snowball's chance in hell of winning? It's not going to happen. TNA won't take WWE down. They're weak media and talent wise, no matter how much you like them. I follow it off and on, and it seems the focus is going to always be Jeff Jarrett. Think Double J is going to pull the same numbers a regular Raw would?

Sorry about the rant, I'm just trying to cover the things wrong with the WWE today. And another idea I liked (from BIGFEETS) was if they're going to have the brand split continued, they should have only one World, IC, and Tag champion. If JBL and HHH are both the top champs, who's the better champ?

The things wrong with the WWE are: poor writing and direction, no competition, lack of original ideas, a 10 time World Champion who is getting bland with no single excellent title run, an influx of wrestlers, and poor development.

How can Vince McMahon remedy that?
Letting people who know wrestling book. Instead of hiring soap opera writers and going for the cheap T&A, hire people who know about booking wrestling. Want pre scripted segments? PAUL HEYMAN is there. We're aiming for wrestling in the WWE, not drama from an ex-soap opera writer from The Bold and Beautiful. Want to know why he's still not writing for that soap opera? Because he got fired. If his stuff won't fly on daytime dramas, why would it fly for the average 18-36 year old male? Isn't that the audience WWE wants to reach? If wrestling fans wanted to watch prime time soap operas, we'd watch Desperate Housewives or The OC or something to that effect.

He should also stop bringing in newer wrestlers that are clones of each other so quickly. At least give them a backstory, make them look a bit different, and think of what you're going to do with him instead of play as he goes. In fact, he should just stop bringing in wrestlers period. Use what you have, and work with them. Was The Rock over immediately? No. It took time.

Let HHH have some time off after Wrestlemania. Give your writers time to think of ways to take him. Let HHH do some movies. Tell him to take Stephanie with him. See how the WWE does without the WWE prom king and queen.

Of course Vince can't grow competition on his own, and there is no reason for him to break his ass if he has no immediate threat to take him in the ratings. Maybe he's just saving the good ideas for a rainy day.
:dunno:

Oh well, I just felt like ranting and touched some base with my thoughts.
See ya.
:wave:

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 09:05 PM
Very few of them are ready for the main event. You could say Cena, Orton, and Batista are, but even thats a little bit of a stretch. No reason why they can't wait.

Benoit and Guerrero had nice runs just last year.

Jericho needs time to be built back up.

Undertaker and Flair will be retired soon enough.

Who's left... oh yeah, HHH.
If you can only claim@ six people i nthe business, you need to lay off the drugs. They're frying your brian.

The Fugitive
03-27-2005, 09:21 PM
Hire Dave Chapelle to do his blind black-white supremacist character on RAW.

Feud him with Shelton Benjamin.

Chapelle: 'Ah got one question fer yew! Why is it that a NIGGER is the Intercontinental Champion... and he hasn't pawned it for crack money yet?!

Benjamin: http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/wtf.gif
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adamwwe
03-27-2005, 09:26 PM
Make it 7. I did forget Kurt Angle.

They are about the only guys ready for the title picture (and not needing retirement).

Edge? The fact that he's heading there makes me wanna puke. He's great, but one of those guys who are inherently midcard. Great IC champ.

Ditto for Christian.

Big Show? If he so much as touches the strap on TV again, I just might be done with WWE.

Shawn Michaels? I mark for the guy. Still great in the ring. Should be putting guys over now. Besides, with Jannetty back in the fold, I want the Rockers back for a short term run to help the poor tag division.

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 09:32 PM
I love how you pick some of the worst examples (Edge, Big Show) when trying to argue the point.

That's like bringing up Goldberg when arguing over mic skills.

M. Banana
03-27-2005, 09:52 PM
:y:

:y:


:y:

Bigg Mike
03-27-2005, 09:56 PM
I don't care if you don't agree.
:squint:

James Steele
03-27-2005, 10:00 PM
:lol: I'll rep you all right...


Oh, and Click On This (http://tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=786176&postcount=61)

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 10:01 PM
Pos rep me damnit, I posted like 10 paragraphs.
I don't care if you don't agree.
:squint:
Too much writing. Nobody here has that kind of attention span.

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 10:02 PM
If you want people to read it, you need to break it up into different posts.

Kane Knight
03-27-2005, 10:02 PM
Like so...:shifty:

adamwwe
03-27-2005, 10:02 PM
I love how you pick some of the worst examples (Edge, Big Show) when trying to argue the point.

That's like bringing up Goldberg when arguing over mic skills.

Well they are constantly put up there around the guys I already have mentioned.

Lets see: Benjamin? Another year or two...if all goes well. He has potential, but thats all it is right now.

Kane... ahh, here's a guy some people on the net keep talking about. Never really was high on him myself.

Muhammad Hassan? Bad Joke, I apologize.

Carlito? I'll need to see more ring work. Either way, everybody needs time. Too early.

RVD? Heh...

James Steele
03-27-2005, 10:04 PM
HAHAHA AWESOME!


I just neg repped him and he went from green to gray! I HAVE THE POWER OF THE GODS!


:yes:


ASSHOLE MODE INITIATE

Bigg Mike
03-27-2005, 10:10 PM
:lol: I'll rep you all right...


Oh, and Click On This (http://tpww.net/forums/showpost.php?p=786176&postcount=61)

You bastard. :rant:

And I'm not a noob. :foc:

Fox
03-27-2005, 10:22 PM
You bastard. :rant:

And I'm not a noob. :foc:


Asking for rep for a long post = noob

sorry

Bigg Mike
03-27-2005, 10:32 PM
Asking for rep for a long post = noob

sorry


I'm not a noob...

Does this place ever get active though?
Rajah's has its very active moments, but on here it seems like you guys get just a handful of guys here a day.

PureHatred
03-27-2005, 11:53 PM
It's never actually active because Kane Knight usually eats all the noobs.

Saying that the WWE's problems are "poor writing and direction" is like saying Michael Jackson is a little fucked up. We get it.

As to starting up a third show: No. SD! is barely tolerable and in case you missed it the WWE is having problems keeping their programming on the air as it is. Sponsors don't flock to pro-wrestling. So its a bad idea and its not very plausible.

Very few of them are ready for the main event.

It's hard to tell if someone is actually ready for the main event unless they actually make a run in the main event scene. And I don't necessarily mean strap a title on someone's belt. I mean produce a single episode of Raw that isn't entirely about Triple H, what Triple h is feeling, how will Triple H react to what just happened, and "JR WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN TRIPLE H GETS HER???!!!"

Kane Knight
03-28-2005, 12:01 AM
I'm not a noob...

Does this place ever get active though?
Rajah's has its very active moments, but on here it seems like you guys get just a handful of guys here a day.
It has its moments.

Kane Knight
03-28-2005, 12:03 AM
It's never actually active because Kane Knight usually eats all the noobs.
Only the retards.

:y:

redoneja
03-28-2005, 02:18 PM
WWE needs competition........................














and Stephanie McMahon naked :drool: :drool:

Kane Knight
03-28-2005, 03:28 PM
As long as no sound bytes are involved. Steph is hot, I give her that, but every time I hear her voice, my penis shrivels up inside me and takes my nuts with it for safety's sake.

redoneja
03-28-2005, 03:33 PM
agreed

M. Banana
03-28-2005, 04:50 PM
I'd still fucking fuck it.

Marcyo
03-28-2005, 04:54 PM
I'd still fucking fuck it.

erm. her.

:shifty:

M. Banana
03-28-2005, 04:56 PM
Her, he, it.

As long as it looks like that I'd fucking fuck it.

KayfabeMan
03-28-2005, 05:06 PM
Her, he, it.

As long as it looks like that I'd fucking fuck it.

:y:

M. Banana
03-28-2005, 05:10 PM
:y:

Kane Knight
03-28-2005, 06:57 PM
So I've got a chance? :naughty:

Aussie Skier
03-28-2005, 07:29 PM
The thing is, they could certainly MAKE main eventers with their star power.

I've advocated the idea of turning Heat/Velocity into sort of a farm league show for a while now, and I think it could work, as long as they develop storylines and the like. Heck, you could even riff off the whole "reality" craze, and have competitions for tickets to the "big leagues."

The only problem is it would require effort, just as main eventers on a C show would.

i see that they are slowly starting to do this (sorta)
I mean, basically the entire CW storyline takes place on velocity, and much of the women's title stuff does too (altho not the christy/trish stuff).

Aussie Skier
03-28-2005, 07:35 PM
By stars I mean main eventers. Every roster needs a few, and there are barely enough (if there are enough) to keep two rosters credible. And look at things that are happening: Orton got pushed way too early. Batista got pushed a little too fast. Cena got pushed too fast. WWE is forced, by the split, to work too hard at making new stars. There's no reason those three guys can't wait a year.

Oh, and somebody give Edge a pat on the back for his efforts at pretending to be a main eventer. Pat him on the back and send him back to the midcard.

Everybody harps on HHH for holding the belt too much. Funny, before that the complaint I kept reading was that the belt was tossed around too much and meant nothing because of it.

There are no main event material guys not being used right now. Try and name one.


Name one:

OK:
Raw: HHH, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Kane, HBK, Batista (these are all bone-fide Main Eventers). Then you throw in Edge, Christian, possibly Shelton B.

S'Down!: JBL, Angle, Cena, Taker, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero and possibly guys like Charlie Haas, Chavo Guerrero, Booker T, RVD, Rene Dupree.


There are heaps of talent which could main event if given the opportunity.

The Overdrive
03-28-2005, 07:49 PM
Name one:

OK:
Raw: HHH, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Kane, HBK, Batista (these are all bone-fide Main Eventers). Then you throw in Edge, Christian, possibly Shelton B.

S'Down!: JBL, Angle, Cena, Taker, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero and possibly guys like Charlie Haas, Chavo Guerrero, Booker T, RVD, Rene Dupree.


There are heaps of talent which could main event if given the opportunity.

:y:

BIGFEETS
04-03-2005, 07:56 AM
People have always said WWE is a male soap opera. I just think that went to Vince’s head and he decided soap opera writers were the way to go. However, how many wrestling fans watch “Days of Our Lives” and other soap opera shows.

Nobody gives a crap about wrestlers who are bodybuilders that come out and flex their muscles except for HHH and Vince. Twelve year olds laugh at that. How in the world do they expect 20-somethings to find that interesting?

SD has become too cartoonish. As a friend of mind pointed out, does everyone have to drive to the ring?

They are writing a show that appeals to them and not to the target audience. WWE probably has the best roster they have ever had in terms of in-ring ability; however, they really need to work on character and storyline development.

Hiring a bunch of T&A isn’t even a short-term fix. There are way too many other outlets for T&A. WWE isn’t doing anything innovative or different by having girls in bikinis on their programming. People who are watching WWE have cable, which means there are many more channels that show a lot more than WWE does in terms of nudity.

What could help WWE? For starters, listen to the fans and try to shoot for a balance of what people want.