"I want them to love me like they love Pac" It seems they do 50

[The Answer]

50 cent has 4 songs on the billboard top 100 in the top 10. Only the Beatles have ever done this at one time. Candyshop sits at number 1 and is followed by Disco Inferno. "Hate it or love it" and "How we do" are also in the top 10.

[Gonzo]

50 Cent is so bad. He will never ever be on Tupac's level. Gimmie a fucking break. 50 Cent is garbage.

[Champion of Europa]

50 Cent is garbage.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

The USA is fucked up. How did you let this happen?

[The Answer]

The USA is fucked up. How did you let this happen?

:rofl: Don't look at me I live in Canada.

[Funky Fly]

Over saturation.

[Gonzo]

The USA is fucked up. How did you let this happen?
The insane amount of mindless fucking drones. I can't stand it either.

[Downunder]

Candy Shop is a really really really shitty song.

and who the fuck releases 4 singles at once???

[Savio]

I'll let you like the lolli pop.

[el fregadero]

I haven't heard any of those except for Candy Shop.

[Lotus]

How We Do and Hate It or Love It are tight, but the two ones on his album are gayer than a costume party. And someone said "how did the USA let this happen?" Well, we don't really have a fucking choice in what gets played on the radio. The music industry is much like the political system here. It looks democratic on its face, but it is all about who is backing the candidates/artists, and that's what you hear on MTV and the radio.

[Buzzkill]

Yeah pretty FUCKING GAY.

Lets hope he doesn't get killed, cause he will become immortalized.

[Kane Knight]

Candy Shop is a really really really shitty song.

and who the fuck releases 4 singles at once???
Linkin Park?

Actually, a lot of pop acts do.

50 is just so boring. Which is probably why he sells.

[Kane Knight]

Anyway, people DO love him like Pac. Why do you think he keeps getting shot?

[DaveWadding]

Technically, Billboard/SoundScan/whoever else will NEVER recognize this the same way that they have before with the Beatles.

2 of the singles (Hate It or Love It and How We Do) are The Game FEATURING 50 Cent.

When the Beatles did it, it was just the Beatles and no one else on the record.

[Kane Knight]

How We Do and Hate It or Love It are tight, but the two ones on his album are gayer than a costume party. And someone said "how did the USA let this happen?" Well, we don't really have a fucking choice in what gets played on the radio. The music industry is much like the political system here. It looks democratic on its face, but it is all about who is backing the candidates/artists, and that's what you hear on MTV and the radio.
Yeah, the record companies go out of their way to ensure that we don't have many choices.

[The Naitch]

Magic Stick > Candy Shop

[Bad Company]

Magic Stick and Candy Shop are the same shit, I'm sure of it.

[Gertner]

Candy Shop is a really really really shitty song.

and who the fuck releases 4 singles at once???

people that actually sell cd's.

[Kane Knight]

As opposed to the ones who pretend to sell CDs?

[Gertner]

as opposed to bands who can't sell cd's and whine about the music industry

[Kane Knight]

Whatever you say, kid.

[Gertner]

cause that never happens.

[Kane Knight]

cause that never happens.
I was thinking more "because anyone who doesn't have four concurrent singles off one record is a whiny artist who can't sell records."

Though I'm sure this is coming from a guy who moshes to Linkin Park, so whatever.

[M. Banana]

Hate It or Love It is the worst song ever. EVER!

They overplay it and it's crap.

Nough said.

[Gertner]

I was thinking more "because anyone who doesn't have four concurrent singles off one record is a whiny artist who can't sell records."

Though I'm sure this is coming from a guy who moshes to Linkin Park, so whatever.


I don't listen to rap or nu-metal thank you very much. nice try though

[Lotus]

I don't listen to rap or nu-metal thank you very much. nice try though
:lol:

[SammyG]

G-unit!

[The Naitch]

Magic Stick and Candy Shop are the same shit, I'm sure of it.

meh, same concept basically but Magic Stick sounds less Hindu

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

50cent does not have 4 singles on the charts, some of those are actually the Games, fitty just helps out

[Kane Knight]

50cent does not have 4 singles on the charts, some of those are actually the Games, fitty just helps out
Already covered, Chief.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

sorry i must have missed

[Innovator]

Pac > Shit > 50 Cent

[Kane Knight]

Pac > Shit > 50 Cent

[Downunder]

people that actually sell cd's.
Ok, why are you even posting in the music forum? You "listen" to pure crap.

Shut the fuck up you fake wanker.

[Kane Knight]

Ok, why are you even posting in the music forum? You "listen" to pure crap.

Shut the fuck up you fake wanker.
Oh, come on, Trance ain't pure crap.

There's some vomit mixed in.

[Gonzo]

:rofl:

[The Mackem]

What, you were talking about how crap America was, don't flick to Trance :rant:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Hate it or Love it is perfect for this situation..

I'm not a 50 fan really, I mean I like a few of his songs here and there. Don't have any of CDs or anything but he's just getting after it. Making that money while he can - Whats with all the hate?

[Gertner]

Ok, why are you even posting in the music forum? You "listen" to pure crap.

Shut the fuck up you fake wanker.
as opposed to shit that's nobody given a fuck about in 20 years.

[Gertner]

Oh, come on, Trance ain't pure crap.

There's some vomit mixed in.

Progressive House> any form of music

[Gertner]

and Kane you don't even know what Trance is so shut the fuck up

[Kane Knight]

as opposed to shit that's nobody given a fuck about in 20 years.
Wow. You really are a bitter little wanker.

[Gertner]

o.k i'm hardly a wanker. i'm the anti-wanker

[Kane Knight]

HArdly.

Besides, like anyone remember trance tunes from 3 years ago, much less 20.

[DaveWadding]

I thought every trance song was the same... :(

[Kane Knight]

I thought every trance song was the same... :(
More or less.

Droning beat, splash on sound effects, rinse and repeat.

[Gertner]

HArdly.

Besides, like anyone remember trance tunes from 3 years ago, much less 20.according to who? of course a fucking rock or alt fan isn't going to remember trance music from three years ago, just like i can't name hardly any country songs.

[Gertner]

More or less.

Droning beat, splash on sound effects, rinse and repeat.
lol and all rock doesn't?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Your argument is flawed, Gertner.

[Kane Knight]

Progressive House < any form of music

[Kane Knight]

and Kane you don't even know what Trance is so shut the fuck up
The death rattles of a retard with no argument. :lol:

Yes, I know what trance is.

[Kane Knight]

according to who? of course a fucking rock or alt fan isn't going to remember trance music from three years ago, just like i can't name hardly any country songs.
According to who? I think it's funny that you're all "Nobody remembers that shit" and then when someone says the same thing, you're all "well, that's different."

[Kane Knight]

lol and all rock doesn't?
Wait, so all rock has droning beats and sound effects?

Wow. Why didn't I get the memo here?

[Savio]

Pac > Shit > 50 Cent > Pac > 50 Cent > Shit > Puke

[Kane Knight]

Pac > Shit > 50 Cent > Pac > 50 Cent > Shit > Puke
Holy redundancy cycle Batman!

[Gertner]

Wait, so all rock has droning beats and sound effects?

Wow. Why didn't I get the memo here?


cause all guiter riffs, drums, sound sooooo different. what's the difference btw nickelback theory of a deadman, 3 doors down? The name.

[Gertner]

The death rattles of a retard with no argument. :lol:

Yes, I know what trance is.

name a trance artist Kane.

[Gertner]

According to who? I think it's funny that you're all "Nobody remembers that shit" and then when someone says the same thing, you're all "well, that's different."

i never said "nobody remembers" I said nobody cares. READ!!!!!

[Gertner]

Your argument is flawed, Gertner.

how is it flawed?

[Requiem]

Nickelback and Theory of a Deadman may sound -something- alike, but leave 3 Doors Down out of this. Not only that, but Nickelback gets booed off stage a lot of places they go... 3 Doors Down doesn't. They have talent, and I've seen them live. Damn good band...

[Gertner]

there are sooooooo many generic throw away rock, alt, nu metal bands that sound the same. I guess if I wasn't a fan of dance music i'd say the same as well.

[Requiem]

That, and the singer from 3 Doors Down doesn't sound anything like Nickelback or Theory of a Dead Man.

[Kane Knight]

name a trance artist Kane.
That would be simple. You named several yourself in the past. :roll:

[Kane Knight]

i never said "nobody remembers" I said nobody cares. READ!!!!!
So did I. I miswrote only on the second time, and you jump on it like an anal cunt. Of course, if I was defending shitty music, I'd probably have to resort to the same.

[Gertner]

lol like you wouldn't have done that if i did that. lol you would have busted a nut and replied to my post 200 miles an hour

[Kane Knight]

cause all guiter riffs, drums, sound sooooo different. what's the difference btw nickelback theory of a deadman, 3 doors down? The name.
No, there's the style, in one case, the tuning, there's the different styles of lyrics, there the fact that not all of them just play a single drum loop. There's the arrangements. One actually has a southern rock sound.

Of course, you're trying to select from a narrow field to try and make a point for all rock, trying to pick apart some of the most linear pop of the genre. But that's okay. I'll forgive you because you have no argument, and this is probably the best you can do.

Oh, but wait. I only know this from my deep seated devotion to Theory of a Deadman...:|

Which would be correct if I was a listener. I can also break down the different genres RDD listens to, and I'm not a fan of them. Or Industrial, Goth, hell, I can even analyse country music by ear.

I know my shit, and sadly, you probably only know your own little shit genre. And not very well, I reckon.

[Gertner]

That would be simple. You named several yourself in the past. :roll:

lol damn it

[Kane Knight]

there are sooooooo many generic throw away rock, alt, nu metal bands that sound the same. I guess if I wasn't a fan of dance music i'd say the same as well.
It's only because they're trying to sell this stuff (The stuff you're using as examples) to fans of shitty music (Dance, trance, house, trip hop).

[Gertner]

No, there's the style, in one case, the tuning, there's the different styles of lyrics, there the fact that not all of them just play a single drum loop. There's the arrangements. One actually has a southern rock sound.

Of course, you're trying to select from a narrow field to try and make a point for all rock, trying to pick apart some of the most linear pop of the genre. But that's okay. I'll forgive you because you have no argument, and this is probably the best you can do.

Oh, but wait. I only know this from my deep seated devotion to Theory of a Deadman...:|

Which would be correct if I was a listener. I can also break down the different genres RDD listens to, and I'm not a fan of them. Or Industrial, Goth, hell, I can even analyse country music by ear.

I know my shit, and sadly, you probably only know your own little shit genre. And not very well, I reckon.

yeah i don't know my genre, i don't know the different beats that distinguish the different styles, or how I can pick out a tiny fuck up in a mix, or that I can listen to a song for 5 seconds and tell you what style it is. and it is NOT just a single drum loop.

[Kane Knight]

lol like you wouldn't have done that if i did that. lol you would have busted a nut and replied to my post 200 miles an hour
I wouldn't have cared enough to look back in the first place. The only thing I can remember about this thread beyond what I've said in the last couple of replies is that you're a wanker trying to argue that your ephemeral crap is somehow valid and worthy of the praise you heap upon it.

The difference? People do remember rock hits. Even rap fans can name some 20 year old tunes. Outside of your own little genre, nobody's gonna remember this shit 2 years from now, much less 20 years. It's hard to fathom, but rock actually has mainstream appeal and is remembered. You're listening to Video game BGMs, and in denial that people will give a shit. :yes:

[Gertner]

It's only because they're trying to sell this stuff (The stuff you're using as examples) to fans of shitty music (Dance, trance, house, trip hop).

because so many people that are into generic rock music, nu metal are into dance music kane,.

[Gertner]

I wouldn't have cared enough to look back in the first place. The only thing I can remember about this thread beyond what I've said in the last couple of replies is that you're a wanker trying to argue that your ephemeral crap is somehow valid and worthy of the praise you heap upon it.

The difference? People do remember rock hits. Even rap fans can name some 20 year old tunes. Outside of your own little genre, nobody's gonna remember this shit 2 years from now, much less 20 years. It's hard to fathom, but rock actually has mainstream appeal and is remembered. You're listening to Video game BGMs, and in denial that people will give a shit. :yes:

and dance music doesn't? Find me people who don't know "Sandstorm" by Darude, or "Something" by Lasqo (both songs I dislike). It's way more mainstream than you think it is.

[Kane Knight]

yeah i don't know my genre, i don't know the different beats that distinguish the different styles, or how I can pick out a tiny fuck up in a mix, or that I can listen to a song for 5 seconds and tell you what style it is. and it is NOT just a single drum loop.
You're right. You don't know any of that.

Apparently not if you're arguing 3DD is the same as Nippleback.

and I bet that five second decision is "dance music" or "something else."

You've demonstrated a lack of a discriminating ear already.

But feel free to get back to me when you've had 5 years of theory, 6 years of ear training, and a combined 30 years total musicianship with various instruments...

...And I won't go into my production history...

[Gertner]

No, there's the style, in one case, the tuning, there's the different styles of lyrics, there the fact that not all of them just play a single drum loop. There's the arrangements. One actually has a southern rock sound.

Of course, you're trying to select from a narrow field to try and make a point for all rock, trying to pick apart some of the most linear pop of the genre. But that's okay. I'll forgive you because you have no argument, and this is probably the best you can do.

Oh, but wait. I only know this from my deep seated devotion to Theory of a Deadman...:|

Which would be correct if I was a listener. I can also break down the different genres RDD listens to, and I'm not a fan of them. Or Industrial, Goth, hell, I can even analyse country music by ear.

I know my shit, and sadly, you probably only know your own little shit genre. And not very well, I reckon.
also, there's a lot of different styles of dance music as well Kane.

Detroit House (Derrick May) has a distinct sound, as opposed to Acid House. Plus there is quite a bit of vocals in Dance Music.

[Gertner]

You're right. You don't know any of that.

Apparently not if you're arguing 3DD is the same as Nippleback.

and I bet that five second decision is "dance music" or "something else."

You've demonstrated a lack of a discriminating ear already.

But feel free to get back to me when you've had 5 years of theory, 6 years of ear training, and a combined 30 years total musicianship with various instruments...

...And I won't go into my production history...

dude, i was talking about distinuighing between dance songs. And when did I ever question your music knowledge. You are a very knowledgable person Kane, but when it comes to Kane music I do know my stuff.

[Kane Knight]

because so many people that are into generic rock music, nu metal are into dance music kane,.
My bad. I forgot you knew more than the people marketing the music. :lol:

[Kane Knight]

and dance music doesn't? Find me people who don't know "Sandstorm" by Darude, or "Something" by Lasqo (both songs I dislike). It's way more mainstream than you think it is.
Yup. They're the most famous songs ever, becuase you say so, when a blind poll would prove you wrong. :p

[Gertner]

I'm not saying they are the most famous, I'm just picking out songs that people would know

[Kane Knight]

also, there's a lot of different styles of dance music as well Kane.

Detroit House (Derrick May) has a distinct sound, as opposed to Acid House. Plus there is quite a bit of vocals in Dance Music.
Wow. And that's the best "difference" you can come up with. :nono:

LOOK! I GAVE IT A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SET OF LOOPS AND MODULATED TO A DIFFERENT KEY! WERE NOT THE SAME SONG! :rofL:

[Gertner]

My bad. I forgot you knew more than the people marketing the music. :lol:
lol i hgihly doubt a linken park fan would show up at a Ferry Corsten show.

[Kane Knight]

I'm not saying they are the most famous, I'm just picking out songs that people would know
Yeah, but you're picking songs that aren't going to stack up.

[Gertner]

Wow. And that's the best "difference" you can come up with. :nono:

LOOK! I GAVE IT A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SET OF LOOPS AND MODULATED TO A DIFFERENT KEY! WERE NOT THE SAME SONG! :rofL:

Acid House is TOTALLY different from Progressive House.

[Gertner]

Yeah, but you're picking songs that aren't going to stack up.

I HIGHLY doubt people do not know What Sandstorm by Darude is.

[Kane Knight]

lol i hgihly doubt a linken park fan would show up at a Ferry Corsten show.
Ah. Singular token example. Good job. :y:

[Kane Knight]

I HIGHLY doubt people do not know What Sandstorm by Darude is.
Well, I can sure name a ton of people who do. Hence the reason I called it a bs example. :roll:

[Kane Knight]

Acid House is TOTALLY different from Progressive House.
Yes. And Nickelback's singles are all totally different.

[The Mackem]

I like the various forms of dance music.

[DaveWadding]

Nickelback and Theory of a Deadman may sound -something- alike, but leave 3 Doors Down out of this. Not only that, but Nickelback gets booed off stage a lot of places they go... 3 Doors Down doesn't. They have talent, and I've seen them live. Damn good band...
I hate to bust your balls over this, but EVERY 3 Doors Down song uses the same chord progression in every song. They either just slow it down (Here Without You) or speed it up (Kryptonite) and the guy can't do anything over monotone vocals. They are probably the worst "band" I've ever heard in my life.

[Gertner]

thank you Wadding

[Gertner]

Yes. And Nickelback's singles are all totally different.

Comapring Acid House to Progressive House is like comparing Soft Rock to Heavy Metal. Coem back whe you actually know waht you're talking about.

[Gertner]

Well, I can sure name a ton of people who do. Hence the reason I called it a bs example. :roll:

lol I'm telling you, you are wrong on this Kane. Alot of people know Sandstrom by Darude.

Dance Music is a bit more mainstream than people think.

[DaveWadding]

thank you Wadding
I wasn't defending you in any way. So you're not welcome.

[Gertner]

oh i know your not "wink wink"

[Kane Knight]

I hate to bust your balls over this, but EVERY 3 Doors Down song uses the same chord progression in every song. They either just slow it down (Here Without You) or speed it up (Kryptonite) and the guy can't do anything over monotone vocals. They are probably the worst "band" I've ever heard in my life.
Wrong.

3DD uses multiple progressions. Though there are a couple of songs that use similar progressions in different keys, the same could be said for most bands. However, they do a good job of mixing it up.

Also, Monotone, what are you smoking?

Sorry Gertie, but anything that might be construed as supporting you is wrong. Unless you want to go for the "OMG THEY ALL START WITH GUITARS!" shit, in which case you're really grasping for straws.

[Gertner]

i would never use that arguement, that is ridiculous, but much as to a non fan of dance music, as a non fan of Rock,alt etc.... it all sounds the same, which btw you started with that arguement.

[Kane Knight]

i would never use that arguement, that is ridiculous, but much as to a non fan of dance music, as a non fan of Rock,alt etc.... it all sounds the same, which btw you started with that arguement.
Except the difference is I actually have an ear for repetition vs nonrepetition. You're talking from the perspective of fan/non fan. I'm talking from the perspective of a critical ear. Sorry if that ruins your day. :)

Seriously though, I have an ear for progressions, structure, and tonality. You're trying to act like I'm just a hter, instead of someone with a critical ear. And you lose. Sorry.

[Arashi Kage]

Candy Shop is a really really really shitty song.

and who the fuck releases 4 singles at once???

My thoughts exactly. How is Candy Shop #1??? Man, my roomate plays that song, and it almost drives me mad. If I wasn't such a tolerant person, I'd be unleashing a twin-axe attack on him, but his stereo's sub is a little more powerful than my 4 computer speakers and my sub.

Well, everyone has their personal preference in music. Personally, I find 50 cent's voice really monotonous and dull.

[Gertner]

Except the difference is I actually have an ear for repetition vs nonrepetition. You're talking from the perspective of fan/non fan. I'm talking from the perspective of a critical ear. Sorry if that ruins your day. :)

Seriously though, I have an ear for progressions, structure, and tonality. You're trying to act like I'm just a hter, instead of someone with a critical ear. And you lose. Sorry.

Kane I do some dj'in on the side(nothing major, just a hobby) and I'm Telling you there's a big difference. The reason I'm dimissing you in because you don't even know what trance is.

[Gertner]

plus, I think this can help explain my position. Us fans of dance music ( not the posers who just go to shows for the drugs argh) are REALLY into this style of music and are very knowledgable about it. We attend shows regularly and know what we are talking about. To a person on the outside, of course it sounds the same. And i'm not saying you are a hater, I'm just upset that you assume I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to dance music, cause I live and breathe this genre. I'm not saying I'm a music excpert in teh least sense, but making dance music is not just as easy as twisting a few knobs and shit. And I'm not dismissing your musical background as it is pretty extensive. Check out armin van buuren's website and see his set-up. Many of the dj's have extensive musical backgrounds (the one's that actually make the music, not some shlub like myself)

[Kane Knight]

Kane I do some dj'in on the side(nothing major, just a hobby) and I'm Telling you there's a big difference. The reason I'm dimissing you in because you don't even know what trance is.
I did DJ work for over 5 years. Ontop of that, it wasn't on the side, it was a primary source of income.

And don't try and pussy out with "you don't know what trance is" like you're some sort of underground elite movement.

Next thing you're going to tell me is that I don't know what rap is.

[DaveWadding]

U dnt kno wat rap iz, cain night

[Kane Knight]

Check out armin van buuren's website and see his set-up. Many of the dj's have extensive musical backgrounds (the one's that actually make the music, not some shlub like myself)
Having an extensive music background doesn't validate your work. I've composed techno tracks for clubs in the area (because it was a paycheck, albeit a small one), but that doesn't mean I applied a huge amount of expertise. I simply popped some stuff into fruityloops, didn't take me much effort to compose, program or mix. And the beatiful thing is it took no performing talent (which is good, because my piano/keyboard skills are kind of SHIT)

[DaveWadding]

u kant c my cain night

[Kane Knight]

u kant c my cain night
How could I not see you? Short of the Great Wall of China, you're the most visible man made object from space.

[Gertner]

Having an extensive music background doesn't validate your work. I've composed techno tracks for clubs in the area (because it was a paycheck, albeit a small one), but that doesn't mean I applied a huge amount of expertise. I simply popped some stuff into fruityloops, didn't take me much effort to compose, program or mix. And the beatiful thing is it took no performing talent (which is good, because my piano/keyboard skills are kind of SHIT)
composing random techno tracks is nothing Kane. I can do that stuff on my computer in about 5-10 minutes. Creating beatuiful Progressive House songs that tell a story is another thing.

[Gertner]

creating the music does take alot of talent though, which is what the real ones do.

[Gertner]

I did DJ work for over 5 years. Ontop of that, it wasn't on the side, it was a primary source of income.

And don't try and pussy out with "you don't know what trance is" like you're some sort of underground elite movement.

Next thing you're going to tell me is that I don't know what rap is.
so the only difference is that you got paid for it and i didn't.

and btw, trance isn't some underground elite movement. IMO it's become really cheesy as of late.

[Gertner]

btw Kane, I think you are REALLY under-estimating how many people listen to dance music

[Ogen]

Well I likes my dance when I'm out I'm nowhere near as much knowledge as Gertner on the subject since I only started getting into since I was 18 and out clubbing. Its shite to say that it all sounds the same, it sounds the same as any other music sounds the same just the genre songs themselves aren't the same at all.

And yes I'd imagine most people I know would know Sandstorm it was a huge hit

[Kane Knight]

so the only difference is that you got paid for it and i didn't.

and btw, trance isn't some underground elite movement. IMO it's become really cheesy as of late.
And the difference is I'm pointing out how little effort I put into it.

I admit it. I'd like to be considered a serious artist. But I have no problem using my talents for money. In fact, I'm trying to get a comp role from one of the local producers. It's art film stuff, won't pay much, but if I can nail that, it'd rock.

But the point in knocking it off quickly is that being talented does not validate the music you do. Bach and many of the other great composers wrote simplistic stuff. That doesn't mean that it was the pinnacle of their acheivements, or that all the music they wrote took amazing talent.

I know it's not an underground elite movement. Note I said that you were portraying it like knowing what trance is is in any way something special.

[Gertner]

yes, but when the artists put alot of effort into it, it becomes amazing stuff. As dance music fans we are alaways looking for something a little different, so the dj's continously have to create new sounds. Artists like Ferry Corsten have maintained their opularity because they are creative. A few years ago a Trance dj wouldn't have cracked the top 20 in the rankings, now at the top that's all there is. Like with all music, it's only as simple or as complex as you make it.