Triple H injures neck at RAW

[Boondock Saint]

Triple H injured his neck at RAW on Monday and collapsed backstage at RAW. According to several reports, Triple H landed badly on the neck at one point during his match with Hurricane and Rosey. There was a point where people around him thought he had suffered a concussion. We believe the Triple H neck injury occurred when Rosey went for a leg drop and landed hard on Triple H's neck and face.

As soon as he got behind the curtains where the gorilla position is, he collapsed and had to be helped to his feet. Triple H was backstage and spent a long time icing the neck and kept a towel around it. He did come back out for the shows closing angle with Ross being named an opponent for him next week on RAW. We're told he re aggravated the injury at some point during that and collapsed upon returning backstage.

We're told the injury is the reason the dark main event after RAW didn't take place.

Credit: Wrestlezon
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[DaveWadding]

Cool.

[Shadow]

Yay!

[Corkscrewed]

The Curse of the Bag is upon them. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[James Steele]

DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!

[The Icon of Elisim]

Guess whose getting fired next week....

[James Steele]

I know who they can replace Triple H with at the PPV...


http://christbenoitownsyouall.ytmnd.com/

[KingofOldSchool]

I hope it's not serious.

[Gone Mad]

I knew Rosey landed on him bad. Possibly the reason why he just threw Rosey off the ropes and just beat the hell out of him.

Looks like someone's 3 minutes is up.... oh, and poor HHH.

[Gouda]

Goodbye Rosey.

But way to take one for the team!

[Shadow]

I knew I heard something pop on RAW. And I mean, pop.

If Rosey was smart...he'd blame Matt Hardy. If he were dumb...he'll blame Edge. That's what I'd do anyways.

[Mayo]

That fat piece of shit RC Cola man :rant: WTF is he doing fighting HHH anyways? It was pretty pointless anyways.

Oh well, the only upside to this would be that HHH may take a bit of time off from the ME scene.

[PureHatred]

Locker room reaction with Vince around: :'(

Locker room after Vince left: :D :rofl: :lol: :love: :yes:

[Innovator]

locker room song when vince was around: everybody hurts

song when vince is gone: celebration

[mike627]

Y'all do know that HHH will find a way to remain the focus of Raw.

[Splaya]

Holy shit, I'm sorry, I don't wish bad upon anyone, but this is the best news of the day...maybe the week...hell it's the best news of the year.

[Gouda]

Y'all do know that HHH will find a way to remain the focus of Raw.

Sherrif HHH. :shifty:

[Hired Hitman]

Is it for real? or this a joke.

[mike627]

Sherrif HHH. :shifty: No, I simply do not think the title of "Sherrif" wolud be acceptable (sp?) to HHH more like,god help us Commissoner HHH :eek: :'( :nono:

[PureHatred]

Is it for real? or this a joke.

Well, its up on all the rumor sites...so its about as reliable as an internet rumor can be. I guess we won't know for sure until the WWE pulls Hnter form in-ring action.

[LK]

Oh well bye Rosey and Hurricane

[Kane Knight]

Y'all do know that HHH will find a way to remain the focus of Raw.
Duh.

[jerichoholic169]

hope he didnt hurt his nose....props to finishing the show if he was seriously injured but rosey is gonna be out of a job now.

[Corkscrewed]

Y'all do know that HHH will find a way to remain the focus of Raw.
Get ready for....


HNN
Updates on HHH's Condition Every 5 Minutes*


*Max

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That's a damn shame.

[SuperSlim]

ya know despite all that he does in and out of the ring, just the fact that he has a neck injury is kinda sucky. I dunno I'm not a HHH fan, a HHH mark or anything like that but someone gettin injured, specially a neck injury, that sucks.

Maybe now he'll chill in the back and not have to come to the ring so many times.

[Cactus Sid]

Is it for real? or this a joke.

I think its real, I remember thinking during the match that something seemed to be up.

[Blue Demon]

I may not liek the guy but damn :|

[John la Rock]

Get rid of Rosey's fat ass. and either change Hurricane's gimmick or get him the hell out too.

Hope it's not to serious. HHH is the man

[Afterlife]

Yeah, when I saw Rosey's leg drop, I was like..."Ow."

I do find this an interesting response tho: An equal combination of "Yay, downtime for HHH" and "Rosey and Hurricane have a fun and entertaining gimmick, so they should be fired". I mean, I understand everyone has opinions, but let's not forget, guys: with the exception of HHH (and you know it's tru) the wrestlers don't write the show; they just perform it.

Anyway, I hope his neck isn't really hurt too bad. But hey, he was warned -- it WAS clobberin' time.

[Evolution]

Well put Afterlife. Oh, I had the same reaction to both leg drops (Hurricanes off the top rope looked a little sloppy to me).

Bad news for Triple H if he has a neck injury, but he needs a break. I don't think he's had one since Goldberg won the World title in 2003, and even then he was filming Blade Trinity.

[Deceit]

Always shitty when someone gets hurt. Hope he gets better soon.

[Nowhere Man]

Feel bad for the guy, since he's got a definite passion for the business, and now he won't be able to do it for a while. But at the same time....

WHOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

[Kane Knight]

I mean, I understand everyone has opinions, but let's not forget, guys: with the exception of HHH (and you know it's tru) the wrestlers don't write the show; they just perform it.
But that's why the Rosie and Hurricane being fired shit is coming up. Because he DOES run the show. And unlike other accidental injuries, this one was against HHH, which bodes poorly for Rosey.

The only condolence is that Rosey's a pretty SHIT wrestler. So the loss of him would be nothing compared to MAtt HArdy. There's the bad gimmick, which he has no control over, and there's the bad wrestling/entertainment value, which he does.

[BigDaddyCool]

Damn, that sucks.

[blake639raw]

Boohoo, let's all jump on the HHH sympathy bandwagon. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like to see him die or anything, but I seriously wouldn't mind him getting a career ending injury.

[Fignuts]

Boohoo, let's all jump on the HHH sympathy bandwagon. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like to see him die or anything, but I seriously wouldn't mind him getting a career ending injury.


When you break your neck we'll wish the same for you.

[Kane Knight]

When you break your neck we'll wish the same for you.
You are such an asshole. This was obviously posted by his brother. Bradscott 6969 or whatever.

[Kane Knight]

:shifty:

[Marcyo]

Feel bad for the guy, since he's got a definite passion for the business, and now he won't be able to do it for a while. But at the same time....

WHOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

my thoughts exactly.

[Fignuts]

Clearly, reytrey hacked his account.

[blake639raw]

You are such an asshole. This was obviously posted by his brother. Bradscott 6969 or whatever. No, this is ME. That wasn't me in the other thread either, but since I can't convince you, I don't seen no point in trying. Just drop it already.

[PullMyFinger]

Feel bad for the guy, since he's got a definite passion for the business, and now he won't be able to do it for a while. But at the same time....

WHOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
:y:

[loopydate]

*Dance of joy*

[Kane Knight]

No, this is ME. That wasn't me in the other thread either, but since I can't convince you, I don't seen no point in trying. Just drop it already.
Hmmm...Surprised you don't blame your brother for everything retarded you say.

[Kane Knight]

Sorry, "brother."

Without the quotes, it implies I believe you.

[blake639raw]

So are you gonna bring this up every time I post now?

[V]

man if he's really out for a few months.. you'll be happy for a few weeks, but then you'll start to miss him.

stop hating on triple h so much, seriously, he makes raw better... sure his promo's are long, but most marks don't want to see matches that are so long that they have to go through a commercial.

Triple H is the man, stop hating on him, it's getting very old.

[Kane Knight]

So are you gonna bring this up every time I post now?
http://tpww.net/forums/search.php?searchid=41022

There, you can stop being such a fucking drama Queen. Obviously, I'm not bringing this up every time you post, ya freaking pussy.

[Kane Knight]

man if he's really out for a few months.. you'll be happy for a few weeks, but then you'll start to miss him.

stop hating on triple h so much, seriously, he makes raw better... sure his promo's are long, but most marks don't want to see matches that are so long that they have to go through a commercial.

Triple H is the man, stop hating on him, it's getting very old.
Wow. When did you become a retard.

Yes, we'll all start to miss him. Like we miss Mister America and Moolah.

[loopydate]

Marks may not want to see matches that go through commercials, but they also don't want to hear the same twenty-minute promo every week. If they want promos, cut his time in half, and let someone else have the rest of it.

[Kane Knight]

Marks may not want to see matches that go through commercials, but they also don't want to hear the same twenty-minute promo every week. If they want promos, cut his time in half, and let someone else have the rest of it.
ORmaybe...GASP...Throw in another match. Hell, with HHH's time, you could probably get 2. I mean, I know there are people who could use some mic time, but there's also a ton of underused folks on the roster.

[loopydate]

No...

That'd never work.

[Gouda]

It's just that, yes while injuries are bad, I look forward to a top star getting injured. It means someone has to rise up and take their place.

Austin got injured and The Rock was born. Possibly. If my memory isn't faulty.

HHH got injured and undisputed Jericho was born (although promptly buried by him upon return).

[PureHatred]

man if he's really out for a few months.. you'll be happy for a few weeks, but then you'll start to miss him.

stop hating on triple h so much, seriously, he makes raw better... sure his promo's are long, but most marks don't want to see matches that are so long that they have to go through a commercial.

Triple H is the man, stop hating on him, it's getting very old.

WTF??! Trips was 'the man' about 4 years ago. Now he's just 'the man' who takes up all the TV time. At one point I thought he was legitimately the best heel in wrestling. But his act is tired, he hasn't changed his promos in years, his matches are no longer what they once were, and its pretty much established that he has creative input on the product(which he got by marrying the owner's daughter). So if someone is getting buried, Trips probably had a hand in it.

He doesn't make Raw better. He makes it repetitive. While I don't enjoy the thought of soemone suffering a neck injury (which can be career-thretening) I actually DO like the fact that if he's out for an extended period of time, this forces the writing team to find someone else to run with the ball. Someone is going to need to become the primary heel on Raw and I want to see who gets that opportunity and hwo they do.

[Eunos]

Im no Triple H fan but i will say i hope this isnt anything to seriously.

Equally if this keeps him out of action for awhile we can finally get some new guys in the main event.

Get Well Triple H but not to sson please.

[roach21]

who do you guys think will step in as main heel if Trips is gone?

[Ruien]

This can acually suck for us real bad. When he comes back, what if he can not wreslte for shit. This injury might make him suck (might), and we will have to watch a sucky HHH in the main event for 5 more years. I would rather have a HHH that can wrestle.

[Pegasus Crawford]

HHH neck injury update

by Dave Meltzer

Dave@wrestlingobserver.com

HHH suffered a neck injury on Monday's Raw when Rosey landed on him with an ass bump. The injury was serious enough that Stephanie McMahon didn't stay for the Smackdown show last night in Chicago, or go to OVW today.

However, the current belief is it was a stinger, but not serious enough to keep him out of action. At this point, he is still expected to wrestle on Monday night's Madison Square Garden show.

lol @ "ass bump"

[John la Rock]

I remember when RVD injured his neck with the 5 Star in the Elimination Chamber.

probably why Rob has been held down so much

[Lamuella]

man if he's really out for a few months.. you'll be happy for a few weeks, but then you'll start to miss him.

I won't. Really, I won't.

I didn't miss him in 2001 when he was out. I won't miss him now.

[Kane Knight]

Im no Triple H fan but i will say i hope this isnt anything to seriously.

Equally if this keeps him out of action for awhile we can finally get some new guys in the main event.

Get Well Triple H but not to sson please.
The only problem is that the new guys will all lay down the minute Trips is back.

[tucsonspeed6]

Seriously, I was watching that match, and I saw the part with the leg drop, and I noticed that HHH turned his head away, and I was thinking, "Man, what a pussie. He flinched!" So I guess he got what he deserved...fucking rookie.

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

I don't wish anybody harm or anything, and if there was another way for him to stop wrestling that would be fantastic, but as of right now, injury seems to be the only way to get him to go away.

And I'm sorry to say, I find this to be great news. I really sincerely hope he's out for a while. Not because I wish him bodily harm, but because he ruins Raw for me. I've been sick of HHH for years, and with him gone, some of the other heels on Raw might get a chance.

[V]

Wow. When did you become a retard.

Yes, we'll all start to miss him. Like we miss Mister America and Moolah.
lol come on man, batista wouldnt' be as big as he is without hhh, yeah someone else could have put him over, but it wouldn't have been as effective imo

as long as he doesn't get the title back I can stand him and actually enjoy him on raw

it's when he keeps the title that he's annoying.. and he doesn't have it right now.. as long as he doesn't win at backlash and then stops going after it he's an asset to raw

[Londoner]

Get ready for....


HNN
Updates on HHH's Condition Every 5 Minutes*


*Max



Haha, beat me to it, i was thinking the same thing. he'll find way to make wrestlers job to him also...

[Londoner]

Oh, and Gohan shut it!HHH doesn't give anybody else time to make themselves stars..because he takes up the whole fucking show. That's why he continues to take credit for Batista, cos he overbooked himself.

[Kane Knight]

Batista would have been big with anyone in that position.

[Shadow]

Ok...I guess since no one wants to I will.

I hope HHH dies a horrible horrible and painful death. Because I hate him that much. Anyone who says Matt Hardy doesn't draw deserves that type of death.

[John la Rock]

great post mon ami :roll:

[Shadow]

Oh piss off.

[The One]

oh no triple h is hurt what do i do...who can i watch on raw now?

[Jaded-Dragon]

Karma's a bitch

[Shadow]

Karma's a bitch

Exactly. HHH got what he deserved and high time too.

[Kane Knight]

Karma's a bitch
True.

[Gouda]

You know... it's already been reported that he should be fine for Monday.

Then.... I'd laugh my ass off if JR aggravated the injury in their match. :shifty:

[owenbrown]

I feel bad for Triple H for his neck injury given the # of them in the past few years by other wrestlers. But, maybe this will give him a chance to get out of the spotlight for a while.... PLEASE?????? :-\

[Kane Knight]

You know... it's already been reported that he should be fine for Monday.

Then.... I'd laugh my ass off if JR aggravated the injury in their match. :shifty:
Now...THAT...would be KARMA.

[YOUR Hero]

Karma, exactly.

I'd just be repeating what others have already stated. But what I find ironic is that he got himself hurt in a match that severed absolutely no purpose other than to make himself still look dangerous after a defeat. Something that wasn't needed, something no one cared about... something I presume, he simply wanted.

[olympic hitman]

Most sites are currently reporting that Triple H "should still be in shape" for his RAW match with Jim Ross. After that, is anyone's guess.....

It's funny. My view on HHH has changed recently. I used to follow the mindless zombies on the 'net that hate Triple H. Why? Good question.

Most people hate Trips because he can basically do anything he wants. I find this factor of his character to be cool. However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that.

Triple H is by FAR the best wrestler in the WWE right now. I don't mean best wrestler only[which would be Benoit] or best character only[that'd be Jericho], but, Triple H is the complete package. He's got it all. The talent in-ring, great mic skills, and the guy has been in wars such as Hell In a Cell, Cage matches, Barbed wire matches, etc. If you really think about it, Triple H is the only link left from the "Attitude Era". He basically carried the company when Rock, Austin, and Foley were gone. So, for that, I respect "The Game".

I'd say keep the title off him awhile though. Being a ten time champion in a short time frame is ridiculous. He's gettin' up there with Flair and it took Flair between twenty and thirty years to become a 16 time Champ.

But, back on topic; Triple H's injured?! I hope not. Even though 99% of everyone online[and offline] hate him, he does carry the show. Once he's gone, you'll see what I mean. Hopefully though, Trips will be o.k. :)

[loopydate]

Now would be a good time for JR to try out that new 630, don'tcha think?

[Kane Knight]

Most people hate Trips because he can basically do anything he wants. I find this factor of his character to be cool. However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that.
The problem is that he DOES use backstage politics to stay on top.

People also hate him because he's long winded and boring. It's not bad enough that he cuts 20 minute promos, he has to cut the same one every fucking week.

Triple H is by FAR the best wrestler in the WWE right now. I don't mean best wrestler only[which would be Benoit] or best character only[that'd be Jericho], but, Triple H is the complete package. He's got it all. The talent in-ring, great mic skills,
Okay, you're either taking this piss or smoking crack.

Angle blows hunter out of the water by far, and arguing Hunter has mic skills is just plain pointless. PEOPLE CHANGE THE CHANNEL WHEN HE CUTS A PROMO. I don't know why you think it's good business to turn people away from your spot.

[ford fairlane]

well if trips is out of the picture for a while it can only be a good thing

at the moment you have him cutting promos for about half the show (well it feels like half the show) to no end nothing new nothing fresh nothing original.
where as if he is out more time should go to the other talent thats being so underused

when was the last time the wwe used backstage to good effect to build up an angle or add heat from the crowd apart from the rather poor kane orton bit

[Kane Knight]

well if trips is out of the picture for a while it can only be a good thing

at the moment you have him cutting promos for about half the show (well it feels like half the show) to no end nothing new nothing fresh nothing original.
where as if he is out more time should go to the other talent thats being so underused

when was the last time the wwe used backstage to good effect to build up an angle or add heat from the crowd apart from the rather poor kane orton bit
You've never heard of punctuation, have you?

[ford fairlane]

You've never heard of punctuation, have you?

yeah its in the south of france :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Kane Knight]

That's only clever if you're severely mentally handicapped.

[Evolution]

This HAS to be good for business. Let me take you back in time. It's early-mid 1999. Austin and Undertaker were THE guys in the title scene. Hot on the heels was The Rock, followed closely by Mankind.

However, a knee injury sidelined Mankind, so they brought in former D-Generation X leader and Corporate Ministry member Triple H to fill his shoes.

Triple H, by hook or by crook, came out on top of that feud, leading to a mini-feud with Undertaker and Triple H within the Corporate Ministry. Undertaker, as well as this feud with Triple H, had a feud with Austin, Kane and to a certain extent, X-Pac.

However, Mankind came back, and due to story-telling, was back in the title hunt. While Undertaker worked with Big Show against Kane and X-Pac, Mankind and Triple H were the top contenders for Austin's title. Mankind won, but the next night, Triple H stole the match.

Austin's return over 2 weeks later (Triple H had put him on the shelf) thrust Austin back into the title hunt, and everyone was after Triple H's title, including Mr. McMahon. After time, the title scene settled down, and The Rock and Stone Cold were the top contenders for the title.

However, due to a severe injury, Austin had to get out of there. In one of the best stories of the WWF Attitude era, Austin was sidelined and Big Show brought in to replace him. Big Show didn't draw too much as champion, so Triple H got the belt back.

A VERY long-winded feud was underway between Triple H and The Rock for the WWF title. Then, Undertaker was back, and he was kickin' ass! Sharing Undertaker's spotlight at the time was Kane, so there were now 3 contenders once again. The Rock won the title and then everyone went there separate ways because it made sence from a storyline point-of-view. Undertaker feuded with Kane, Triple H feuded with Chris Jericho, who was there to fight for the title? Kurt Angle.

But the same night Angle won the title, Austin made his return. In a smart move, Austin was kept out of the title scene for a couple of months. He faught Rikishi, elevating him. Then he moved on to Triple H. He finally got a title shot against Angle, but it was with 4 other guys. Angle squeaked out a victory, and for some reason Triple H was number one contender.

Welcome to Royal Rumble 2001. Triple H is screwed out of the title by Austin. Austin is nearly screwed out of the Rumble by Triple H, but somehow manages to win.

At No Way Out, Austin fights Triple H because there is still a lot of hatred there. Meanwhile The Rock regains the WWF title from Kurt Angle. WrestleMania X-Seven rolls around and the stage is set. Rock/Austin II for the title. Austin manages to regain the title from The Rock. The next night is the re-match, but The Rock is screwed by Vince, Triple H and Vince. Thus begins a very promising alliance that was cut short by the infamous quad injury. The InVasion angle is around the corner, so to compete for the title in the meantime is Jericho and Benoit. At InVasion there was no WWF or WCW title match, mainly because there were no contenders.

Kurt Angle is thrust back in to defend the WWF's honour against the traitor Steve Austin. The audience isn't buying Angle as a face because there is someone else who they want. And they get him. Rob Van Dam steps up to the plate.

The end of the angle sees Austin still with the WWF title, but The Rock with the World title (which became the official name of the now defunct WCW title). They creat the Undisputed Championship. Knowing Triple H will be back soon and as a result will main-event WrestleMania X8 and win the title, they need someone who can be used as a short-lived champion. Enter the saviour, Chris Jericho. He reatains the title by shady means, e.g. chair shots to The Rock, nWo beating up Stone Cold.

WrestleMania rolls around and Triple H is once again, champion.

My point? I forget.











Oh yeah, how many opportunities were created for upper-mid-carders due to injury? Triple H, Kurt Angle, Benoit, Jericho, RVD, Kane? With this top guy possibly facing the sideline for the forseeable future, who has an opportunity here? Edge (with his ladder match win), Christian, Jericho, Benoit. As long as Triple H doesn't do something stupid like become the first guy to become world champion while on crutches, this is VERY good for business.

P.S. 500 POSTS! WOOOOO!

[Disturbed316]

Here is a link to the offending move, if anyone is interested:

http://rapidshare.de/files/1259435/hhh.wmv.html

-credit to Puke_boy at nodq.com-

[The CyNick]

Its bad when someone gets hurt, and if it was a deal that would keep him out for a year or soemthing, I would say it might be a good thing for the company.

However, if its only a month, or a couple of months, all it will do is heat up HHH for a return, and if Batista stutters at all as the champ, he'll be handing the belt back to HHH.

I am still interested to see what Hunter does this summer in terms of if he pulls what he did last year with Benoit, or actually lets Batista take the ball and see if he can run with it. So far HHH has done everything in his power to make Batista a star, and its been very successful, but HHH has a poor history when it comes to stepping aside.

As far as his being "the total package", I would actually heavily disagree with that. I dont think he's in the top 5 in terms of workers in the company, I dont think he's top 5 in promos, so that to me, puts him out of the running for best all aorund talent. HHH is very good, but he's highly overrated.

[olympic hitman]

The problem is that he DOES use backstage politics to stay on top.

I admitted earlier that I "disliked" the fact that "The Game" uses his political power. Did you conveniatialy skip that part? Do I need to re-quote myself as proof? Guess so;

However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that

Is this the part you skipped? I'm still wonderin' that question. You see, I[as well as all the rumor believers] have also read the stuff about Triple H and his politics. While I believe politics have kept him on top, it's simply because up until now[with Batista], no one could carry his belt. Need I remind you of Orton's reign? I don't like the fact that Triple H seems insecure enough to play the politic game, but, I'm sure ALL pro-wrestlers do it, just some are better at the game than others.....

Okay, you're either taking this piss or smoking crack

Again, when you reply to me, leave out your little smartass sarcasms and remarks. Debate me, not get into a little back-and-forth kiddie arguement.

Angle blows Hunter out of the water by far, and arguing Hunter has mic skills is just plain pointless....blah,blah, and blah....

This is just YOUR OPINION and not the view of everyone here. Yes, Angle is the better technician. But, Triple H is better than Angle in some ways as well. Hunter can tell stories in his matches and do things others simply cannot. Although I don't consider myself the biggest HHH fan on the planet, I do believe in giving credit where it's due. I also realize Angle is great. However, it's hard to compare the two. Although both have seperate styles, they are virtually the same. They win alot and lose very little. Both are the best of their brands[RAW & SD].

Each are special in their own ways, which was my initial point[which you missed]. Does Trips stay on top unfairly? YES, any idiot can see it. He's in the McMahon family. Meaning he can do WHATEVER, WHENEVER.

Anyway, let's just hope this injury thing isn't all that bad and the show will go on....

[PureHatred]

I know its an opinion thing, but you went out on a limb and said Trips was the best wrestler "by far."

You could argue that not only Angle, but Jericho, and maybe even Eddie Guerrero are better in the ring AND on the mic. And to be fair, you did say that you would lose respect "if" he used backstage politics. Then in your very next post you act like it's soo obvious he's playing the political game, etc....

Basically, you contradicted yourself which made your whole argument sound stupid.

Not to mention the whole "no one could carry his belt up until this point" which totally ignores the last couple of years n the WWE where Hunter buried Jericho, made Benoit's reign look insignificant, and killed off the heatthat his feuds with Booker T and Kane had by refusing to do the job. Oh yeah, and that whole ruining Goldberg's entire run in the WWE which should've made huge money and turned into a pointless joke.

I like some of Trips earlier work and he's still a capable heel; its just tiresome to have him dominating the show so much.

[Fox]

Why is it that anyone who disagrees with olympic hitman is apparently putting forth an immature "kiddie argument," when he himself contradicts his own statements in a single post and can't seem to make a point and stick to it?

"All pro wrestlers do it, some wrestlers are better at it (the politic game) than others..." yet "Does Trips stay on top unfairly? Yes. Any idiot can see that. He's in the McMahon family."

To say that no one was capable of carrying the World Title other than Triple H and BATISTA is to demean the undeniable talents of Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Kane (a year ago), Booker T (2 years ago) and even Edge. Triple H isn't the champion because he's the only one that's qualified - he's the champion because he MAKES HIMSELF the champion with his backstage politics, whilst burying aforementioned superstars.

Triple H deserved the title when he was drawing in 2000 and 2001, but he has held the title for nearly three years now without giving anyone else a chance to get over with the belt. Don't try and hide this FACT, because there is no way to deny it.

[Corkscrewed]

Now would be a good time for JR to try out that new 630, don'tcha think?
I would SO pay to see that! :rofl:

[Kane Knight]

I admitted earlier that I "disliked" the fact that "The Game" uses his political power. Did you conveniatialy skip that part? Do I need to re-quote myself as proof? Guess so;
No, you STATED that you wouldn't respect him IF he did.

However, if he does employ backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that
You even quote yourself saying that, trying to tell me that you're saying that you disliked it. Fucking liar. IF you were TRYING to say it, you failed. What you DID say did not in ANY way state that he WAS using it, it established a hypothetical situation. For someone who tried to pull the "if you know what infer means" nonsense, it'd be nice if you looked at what your own writing states before getting pissing about someone selectively missing something.

Is this the part you skipped? I'm still wonderin' that question. You see, I[as well as all the rumor believers] have also read the stuff about Triple H and his politics. While I believe politics have kept him on top, it's simply because up until now[with Batista], no one could carry his belt. Need I remind you of Orton's reign? I don't like the fact that Triple H seems insecure enough to play the politic game, but, I'm sure ALL pro-wrestlers do it, just some are better at the game than others.....
And some marry the boss' daughter. but you're wrong. PLENTY of people could carry the title, and draw better than Triple H. Again, when people TUNE OUT on your segments, you're doing a bad job.

Still, you're arguing him being a strong player, and politics doesn't play into that. If he was a strong player, his ratings would be the best in the biz. Or at least up there. Instead of a snoregasm.

Again, when you reply to me, leave out your little smartass sarcasms and remarks. Debate me, not get into a little back-and-forth kiddie arguement.
No.

Especially not from some semiliterate buffoon who makes such demands of me.

This is just YOUR OPINION and not the view of everyone here. Yes, Angle is the better technician. But, Triple H is better than Angle in some ways as well. Hunter can tell stories in his matches and do things others simply cannot. Although I don't consider myself the biggest HHH fan on the planet, I do believe in giving credit where it's due. I also realize Angle is great. However, it's hard to compare the two. Although both have seperate styles, they are virtually the same. They win alot and lose very little. Both are the best of their brands[RAW & SD].
Of course it's my opinion. And also the opinion of the viewers, evidently. Even with a piss poor show and bad booking, Angle can still draw, get fan reactions, etc. Triple H can't even do that when he's forcing himself on us.

And no. There are better on Raw. Hell, I'd put Michaels up above HHH. Jericho's a better mic and AND in-ring performer. v And the beautiful thing? It's an opinion backed up by the fact that they can. Actually. Get. Crowd. Reactions.

(By the way, I respect those that earn respect. If you're going to pull the route of the average moron who has to tell me "that's your opinion," you don't deserve that level of respect. Seriously. Of course it's my opinion. We're talking about the better performer. It's already udnerstood by everyone with an IQ of double digits or better)

[Kane Knight]

I know its an opinion thing, but you went out on a limb and said Trips was the best wrestler "by far."

You could argue that not only Angle, but Jericho, and maybe even Eddie Guerrero are better in the ring AND on the mic. And to be fair, you did say that you would lose respect "if" he used backstage politics. Then in your very next post you act like it's soo obvious he's playing the political game, etc....

Basically, you contradicted yourself which made your whole argument sound stupid.

Not to mention the whole "no one could carry his belt up until this point" which totally ignores the last couple of years n the WWE where Hunter buried Jericho, made Benoit's reign look insignificant, and killed off the heatthat his feuds with Booker T and Kane had by refusing to do the job. Oh yeah, and that whole ruining Goldberg's entire run in the WWE which should've made huge money and turned into a pointless joke.

I like some of Trips earlier work and he's still a capable heel; its just tiresome to have him dominating the show so much.
I want to see Hunter from 2000 or so back. He isn't and won't be the best, but he was watchable.

But I guess Olympic Hitman is right. I mean, no-one can carry his belt. Mostly because he's booking himself as unbeatable, but still.

And the fact that it makes his argument intellectually dishonest, on top of scattered and hipocritical is really meaningless.

[Afterlife]

Wow. Olympic Hitman sure put things in perspective when he called Trips the "best by far". I mean, really; only a champion needs a sledge hammer in sixty per cent of his matches. Excellent point, shmuck. That's why it always bugs me when H calls himself "the best": Because Angle is a heel without cheating; he's a heel because he's a dick. If H was just a dick and a good wrestler, that'd be one thing. But even in the unnecessary handicap match that injured him, he couldn't win it clean, what with taking the fight outside the ring. I don't know how long it's been since I've seen "the best" actually WIN a match.

[Kane Knight]

Wow. Olympic Hitman sure put things in perspective when he called Trips the "best by far". I mean, really; only a champion needs a sledge hammer in sixty per cent of his matches. Excellent point, shmuck. That's why it always bugs me when H calls himself "the best": Because Angle is a heel without cheating; he's a heel because he's a dick. If H was just a dick and a good wrestler, that'd be one thing. But even in the unnecessary handicap match that injured him, he couldn't win it clean, what with taking the fight outside the ring. I don't know how long it's been since I've seen "the best" actually WIN a match.
I disagree. It doesn't matter as much how he wins a match as it does how he handles it. Almost every heel champ calls themselves "the best." JBL called himself a "wrestling God." The difference is he was actually a good heel. While I hate the backstage guy, the persona, the on mic persona is fucking amazing. While the lack of ANY credible wins did hurt him, he was in a better boat than HHH because:


People knew he would drop the belt eventually, not just drop it only to get it back 2 months later for an 8-10 month reign.
His promos were gold. He may suck in ring compared to many of the talents on both shows, but he is one of the best with a mic.
While his title reign was long, it wasn't totally monotonous. Triple H's title reign has really been almost 3 years, despite brief breaks in his ownership. Nobody's been able to get over as a possible champ because of the glass ceiling, and the fact that he's always the main event even when he loses the title. You may not like the folks vying for the title on Smackdown right now, but it's easier to believe they COULD become champion.
Honestly, if Triple H wasn't so boring, and if he didn't dominate the title ad nauseum, I wouldn't give a shit about him winning with a sledge hammer so often.

[olympic hitman]

I knew I'd catch some heat once I replied to this, seeing as most people believe the rumors and misconceptions that are rampant on the "net" about HHH.


I will admit, it does seem that he has some stroke with the backstage portion of the shows.

And once again, Kane Knight, you are putting words into my mouth that weren't there to begin with. I said ;

However, if he does employ his backstage politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect that.

This is getting ridiculous. Let me emphasize it for ya dude, WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT that HHH does the politics thing, as most final decisions are Vince McMahon's to make. Last time I checked, McMahon was still CEO and Chairman of the WWE. Which simply means he calls the shots, not HHH.

However, I'm not defending HHH. I happen to think his outrageously long title reigns are gettin' old. I'd much rather see Edge or Christian where HHH is, but, it's doubtful that will happen unless Trips's neck is severly injured and he is out 6 months to a 1 year,

Knight, you don't seem to realize somethin'. We actually agree upon some things. Open your eyes and see that, instead of always flaming and judging me. I'm sure HHH is no different than any other main-eventer. He's a proven winner in a time of few stars. I don't see anyone on RAW currently who could make the kinda impact "The Game" has been making, can you?

[PureHatred]

Let me emphasize it for ya dude, WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT that HHH does the politics thing, as most final decisions are Vince McMahon's to make.


Saying we don't know for a fact that Trips is a politician backstage is like saying that we don't know for a fact that Dubya lied to get us into Iraq. Maybe there's not a public admission, but the circumstancial evidence is a little overwhelming.

Beyond the reports of Hunter sitting in on writers' meetings and showing up at Smackdown tapings to 'talk to the guys,' there's the very real interview that Linda Mcmahon gave to the Wallstreet Journal last year where she was asked about Hunter and went on and on about how talented her son-in-law was and how valuable his input to the creative process was.

And of course there are the dozens of interviews done on radio and the web by former wrestlers who know they're never going back to the WWE talking about the backstage politics: DDP, Chris Kanyon, Mike Awesome....jesus, Bill Goldberg went on several nationally syndicated radio and television programs to talk about ..,.how did he put it...how "Vince was doing all the talking but Triple H was the one with the hand up his [vince's] ass."

So, yes, Vince has final say. And yes, all main eventers have used politics. Hell, Hulk Hogan might be one of the great political animals of our time, wrestling or otherwise. And yes, it may even seem normal that Trips gets say in the product since he may end up as real life CEO in a few years. But that doesn't mean that its enjoyable that he uses his stroke backstage to keep himself in the main event when he bores many fans to the point where they change the channel, despite what you keep saying about how Triple H is "by far' the best wrestler in the WWE or how no one else can "carry his belt."

[olympic hitman]

For the LAST time, let me clarify my views on Triple H;

Yes, I did say he's the "best by far", which he is. Tell me ONE single guy who has been in as many gimmick matches, stuck by the company when others[Austin, Rock] were leaving.....NOPE, none. Triple H was champion and is in the position he's in because he's smart. He's been loyal to the company that made him and we're simply seeing some of the payoff for that loyalty. To say anything different would be a new level of denial.....

And yes, it is obvious Triple H is a politician. It doesn't take a scientist to analyze a 2-hour show[RAW] in which HHH takes up at least one of those two hours each week for people to realize he's the one pulling the strings. However, I'm simply saying that Triple H is the closest thing to what Ric Flair was for WCW[which is the franchise guy for that company, in this case HHH is the main man for WWE]. Is this because of his relationship with Steph? Again, Ray Charles could've called that one, pal :D. There are masters of the obvious running rampant around here. "Triple H is a politician". WOW! I'm sure glad someone pointed that out, or I may have missed it.......

My conclusion; Triple H being out is a bad thing. Like it or not, the WWE usually "puts over" new guys through Triple H[Shelton Benjamin, Chris Benoit's first title reign, Batista's reign, etc]. Am I blind? No. Triple H also being out could be a good thing. That means spots will open up and guys will get opportunities they may not have had if Trips had still been around.

I just think it's a shame that people are celebrating when a man's livelihood and life could be jeopordized. After all, Triple H is human too :roll:

[Fox]

Dude, you and your arguments continue to lose credibility as you continually contradict yourself!

Olympic Hitman: This is getting ridiculous. Let me emphasize it for ya dude, WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT that HHH does the politics thing, as most final decisions are Vince McMahon's to make.

Olympic Hitman: And yes, it is obvious Triple H is a politician. It doesn't take a scientist to analyze a 2-hour show[RAW] in which HHH takes up at least one of those two hours each week for people to realize he's the one pulling the strings.


Don't you see how those two statements are nearly extreme polar opposites? You dumb fuckwit - don't try and play both sides of the field when everyone arguing against you makes you look like a total moron. Either you don't believe he's a politician, as you said in your first statement - or you do believe he's a politician, as you said in your second statement.

Loyalty has nothing to do with it. There are lots of guys who have busted their asses for the WWE and been extremely loyal who continue to get shit on for no particular reason (Matt Hardy, Test, and Chris Jericho as prime examples). Say I'm suffering from an extreme case of denial if you want, but Triple H's loyalty is about 10% of why he's been booked as an unstoppable heel in his own league above all others. The other 90% consists of his marriage to Stephanie McMahon and the fact that he sits in on the god damn booking meetings which in turn allows him to make himself look like a god compared to all others.

Word to the wise - you have made your supposed "point" several times in this thread - best to just let it go, don't reply to my post, and let this thread die, as you have been made to look like a complete jackass at every turn.

[Kane Knight]

I knew I'd catch some heat once I replied to this, seeing as most people believe the rumors and misconceptions that are rampant on the "net" about HHH.


I will admit, it does seem that he has some stroke with the backstage portion of the shows.

And once again, Kane Knight, you are putting words into my mouth that weren't there to begin with. I said ;



This is getting ridiculous. Let me emphasize it for ya dude, WE DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT that HHH does the politics thing, as most final decisions are Vince McMahon's to make. Last time I checked, McMahon was still CEO and Chairman of the WWE. Which simply means he calls the shots, not HHH.

However, I'm not defending HHH. I happen to think his outrageously long title reigns are gettin' old. I'd much rather see Edge or Christian where HHH is, but, it's doubtful that will happen unless Trips's neck is severly injured and he is out 6 months to a 1 year,

Knight, you don't seem to realize somethin'. We actually agree upon some things. Open your eyes and see that, instead of always flaming and judging me. I'm sure HHH is no different than any other main-eventer. He's a proven winner in a time of few stars. I don't see anyone on RAW currently who could make the kinda impact "The Game" has been making, can you?
You really are just a dumb little kid, aren't you? You contradicted yourself AGAIN. Too easy.

Fox has covered this well enough, I'm not going to bother arguing with you until youfigure out which side you're arguing and stop backtracking.

[Funky Fly]

Now would be a good time for JR to try out that new 630, don'tcha think?
Jerelle Ross?

[James Steele]

FUCK THAT.


Good Ole' JR should do his often imitated, never duplicated patented "Boomer Sooner BBQ 1080 Splash"

[James Steele]

or the "Bah GawDDT"

[Kane Knight]

FUCK THAT.


Good Ole' JR should do his often imitated, never duplicated patented "Boomer Sooner BBQ 1080 Splash"
Don't forget the "Slobberknocker shuffle."

[olympic hitman]

How am I contradicting myself? I said "if Triple H were staying on top because of politics, I wouldn't respect it"[or something like that :D]. Which is true. How can we be 100% sure Triple H makes ALL of the decisions? We don't know that. The only way we'd ABSOLUTELY know would be being there and experiencing it;

However, I also said it appears as if Triple H is a politician if RUMORS were true[remember, we are on a RUMOR MESSAGE BOARD :roll:]. It's obvious he is involved in politics when he takes an hour out of a two-hour show. How deeply is he involved in the actual "politics" side of things? Again, we have NO WAY of knowing that.

I'm sure to most, it seems as though I'm contradicting myself, but, read in between the lines. Where I stand on the issue is crystal clear; We don't know if Triple H is a politician[for a fact] although it seems as though he is. Who's to say Stephanie isn't the one who wants to keep Triple H at the top? Or Vince? Perhaps Vince has some reasons for wanting to keep Triple H at the top. Triple H has put people over and lost the title before, which shows he's willing to do what he's told. Who's to say he wouldn't do it again?

I just think it's irrational and pathetic that people are celebrating the fact that Triple H could possibly be injured....

[Kane Knight]

It's crystal clear if you're two people.

You keep redefining what you said when challenged on it.

It'd be easier if you just admitted you were clueless and moved on, but hey, I don't care. Every time you create one of your masterpiece whine fests, I amuse myself for another 45 seconds...

[M. Banana]

Nope, we don't know he does.

The 56415618746516846514q year title reign has nothing to do with it.

[Kane Knight]

Nope, we don't know he does.

The 56415618746516846514q year title reign has nothing to do with it.
Well, in fairness, that could just be the total stupidity of the booking team.

There's also a chance I'm posting this from Mars, via a FTL radio signal...

And a chance that Olympic Hitman is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Oh, I'm sorry, he'sus.

[loopydate]

Joshua, you blasphemous jerk!

[Innovator]

If JR ever pulled off a 630 I would lose bowel control, that'd be simply amazing

[loopydate]

He'd get up, and yell "Diving headbutt!"

[PureHatred]

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v15/JamesGuttman/BuffJimRoss.jpg

JR's in ring shape, bitches.

[Jaded-Dragon]

I honestly don't understand why Vince allows it to continue. Son-in-law or not, if you look at the ratings since 2001, when Triple H started owning the main event, they have gone nowhere but down. He hasn't had an entertaining match since Benoit at No Mercy. His promos are an obvious bore. They are all the same tone and basically say the same thing.

"You're climbing up the mountain right now, but this sunday... I am going to
KNOCK.
YOU.
DOWN."

"This Sunday at "insert PPV name here", I am going to show you why
I.
AM.
THE GAME."

"You think you're better than me, but you're not. And this Sunday at "insert name of ppv here" I am going to
KICK.
YOUR.
ASS."

For the love of god, do something different.

The sledge hammer bit was old after WM18. Is that your way of putting people over? Oh my god, I can't beat them on my own, let me use a sledge hammer, or outside interference from Ric? Give me a break.

RVD should of gotten a push, Jericho should of kept his push, Benoit should of kept his push, Christian should get a push, Booker should of won at WM19. We all know why none of these things ever happened, and the answer is that they make Triple H look bad in the ring. They are all more charasmatic, talented in the ring and/or on the mic, and they are a threat to Triple H's spot, and he knows it.

Maybe I'm nuts, but I would of taken Matt Hardy vs Christian for the world title over Triple H vs Batista or Orton, any day of the week. Lord only knows why the WWE is still so keen on using the hoss's. I think WCW's cruiser weight division, and the on-going popularity of ECW show that people really don't want to see, 6'6" 300+lbs guys that suck ass in the ring, anymore. But hey, that's just me, and I digress from my point.

I still maintain that karma is a bitch, and if Trips is out for 6 months to a year, then that's a good thing.

[Kane Knight]

He'd get up, and yell "Diving headbutt!"
BAH GAWD! LOOPY HAS SET A NEW STANDARD FOR THIS THREAD! THIS FONT FACE AIN'T MADE OF REESES PIECES!

[Shadow]

OH...you were doing so well!

But seriouslly folks, HHH and his politics suck ass. He kills pushes like Jericho's, Booker T's, RVD and so on and so forth. The carears he's ruined, the money he's taken, it's inexcusable. He's a very bad wrestler, he has terrible mic skills, and is just all around terrible.

Sorry OH...but it's definitly true. The only good thing about HHH is other wrestler's learn from him. And there's one man who I think learned the most from HHH.

Kurt Fucking Angle.

Nuff said.

*takes a hit*

[Kane Knight]

I honestly don't understand why Vince allows it to continue. Son-in-law or not, if you look at the ratings since 2001, when Triple H started owning the main event, they have gone nowhere but down. He hasn't had an entertaining match since Benoit at No Mercy. His promos are an obvious bore. They are all the same tone and basically say the same thing.

"You're climbing up the mountain right now, but this sunday... I am going to
KNOCK.
YOU.
DOWN."

"This Sunday at "insert PPV name here", I am going to show you why
I.
AM.
THE GAME."

"You think you're better than me, but you're not. And this Sunday at "insert name of ppv here" I am going to
KICK.
YOUR.
ASS."

For the love of god, do something different.

The sledge hammer bit was old after WM18. Is that your way of putting people over? Oh my god, I can't beat them on my own, let me use a sledge hammer, or outside interference from Ric? Give me a break.

RVD should of gotten a push, Jericho should of kept his push, Benoit should of kept his push, Christian should get a push, Booker should of won at WM19. We all know why none of these things ever happened, and the answer is that they make Triple H look bad in the ring. They are all more charasmatic, talented in the ring and/or on the mic, and they are a threat to Triple H's spot, and he knows it.

Maybe I'm nuts, but I would of taken Matt Hardy vs Christian for the world title over Triple H vs Batista or Orton, any day of the week. Lord only knows why the WWE is still so keen on using the hoss's. I think WCW's cruiser weight division, and the on-going popularity of ECW show that people really don't want to see, 6'6" 300+lbs guys that suck ass in the ring, anymore. But hey, that's just me, and I digress from my point.

I still maintain that karma is a bitch, and if Trips is out for 6 months to a year, then that's a good thing.
The thing is, there are so many scapegoats, and they're free to sit on their asses and blame those internet smarks, or the cyclical nature of the business, or the fact that Mercury's in retrograde, or the economy, or the fact that Vince got VD from a 12year old fillipino boy...

Look at it this way: The music industry and movie industry have both attacked the internet as the source of their sales and piracy issues. They don't even have a son-in-law issue, they're just blaming an easy target instead of addressing the real issues.

I doubt many people in the WWE want to admit that Triple H is not a draw. That's like screaming "DIE MOTHERFUCKER" at the PResident and then charging...You'll get taken down, possibly out. OF cours,e one's career suicide and the other's just plain suicide, but you get the point.

The fact that the WWE is so much an old boy's club with favorites and politics makes it easier to look for excuses.

[PureHatred]

Didn't Pat Patterson "part ways" with the WWE after Taboo Tuesday because he tried to vioce his opinion on this?

[PureHatred]

Nevermind, did my own research. posted 10/18:

"As most of you have read, longtime creative force Pat Patterson is resigning, with his last day being the Taboo Tuesday PPV.

Patterson's decision to resign was the result of his being willing to point out to Vince McMahon what many wrestling fans have been saying for years...that the mega-push of McMahon son-in-law Triple H is killing the RAW brand. He said to McMahon, in short that HHH's mega-push overshadows RAW to the detriment of the other characters. Patterson, said as so many others have said, that if a greater variety of characters and storylines were fully developed, it would benefit business.

Patterson gave his opinions after traveling to several Raw house shows, with McMahon not being willing to hear Patterson's side of the story, which resulted in Patterson's resignation giving notice that he was leaving the company.

If Vince McMahon is willing to ignore one of his most trusted advisors, and to allow him to become so disaffected that he leaves the company that many feel he played a major part in building; only to take the side of his daughter's husband as the star of his flagship cable program...then it's become clear that McMahon's judgement regarding HHH is just personal now...and no longer strictly business."

[Jaded-Dragon]

The thing is, there are so many scapegoats, and they're free to sit on their asses and blame those internet smarks, or the cyclical nature of the business, or the fact that Mercury's in retrograde, or the economy, or the fact that Vince got VD from a 12year old fillipino boy...

Look at it this way: The music industry and movie industry have both attacked the internet as the source of their sales and piracy issues. They don't even have a son-in-law issue, they're just blaming an easy target instead of addressing the real issues.

I doubt many people in the WWE want to admit that Triple H is not a draw. That's like screaming "DIE MOTHERFUCKER" at the PResident and then charging...You'll get taken down, possibly out. OF cours,e one's career suicide and the other's just plain suicide, but you get the point.

The fact that the WWE is so much an old boy's club with favorites and politics makes it easier to look for excuses.

True. But it's still suicide on a business level for Vince to let it go on and on. They just keep pushing Triple H as their top draw, and no one is buying it. I would figure that it has gotten to a point where a line would have to be drawn, but I guess that would make too much sense for the WWE.

Either way, you're right. It's all about picking the easiest scapegoat and blaming it, rather than addressing the actual problem.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, he left the company saying that Triple H was poison or summat.

[John la Rock]

. He hasn't had an entertaining match since Benoit at No Mercy.

Ok I agree that HHH has been hogging the main-event scene but this is just stupid!

That's like saying Kurt Angle hasn't had an entertaining match since 2000.

Probably the mosty ignorant thing I have ever heard in this forum

[Marcyo]

Probably the mosty ignorant thing I have ever heard in this forum

Well...

The Rock = Definition of sexiness by Cockgurl is a strong contender.

[Kane Knight]

Ok I agree that HHH has been hogging the main-event scene but this is just stupid!

That's like saying Kurt Angle hasn't had an entertaining match since 2000.

Probably the mosty ignorant thing I have ever heard in this forum
Why, because someone isn't as entertained by Triple H as you?

It's not ignorant to say he hasn't had an entertaining match since No Mercy, it's an opinion based on someone's values of entertainment.

[PureHatred]

Well, if he [Jadd-Dragon]actually means that Triple H's last good match was against Benoit at No Mercy in 2000, I'd blast him too. Becuase you're ignoring both Foley matches, the 2/3 Falls special stipulations match against Austin, and any of his recent matches with HBK. I mean, be reasonable there, Dragon.

If he means that Trips last good match was against Benoit at Vengeance last year, thats actually a fairly arguable point.

[John la Rock]

also vs Taker at WM X-Seven, the tag match where he tore his quad, vs Flair in Flair country, Triple Threat at WM XX and Backlash, etc. also I thought his match with Batista was great

[John la Rock]

hopefully he meant Vengence

[olympic hitman]

It's crystal clear if you're two people.

You keep redefining what you said when challenged on it.

It'd be easier if you just admitted you were clueless and moved on, but hey, I don't care. Every time you create one of your masterpiece whine fests, I amuse myself for another 45 seconds...



First off, I've never had "whine fests" and I'm not quite sure how you arrived at that conclusion :wtf:

Secondly, I have to redefine what I'm saying because people try to twist my logic around. I said I would disrespect Trips if he indeed was the one keeping himself at the top[which becomes more apparent each time he appears on RAW, as the focus stays on him]. However, my sole point for arguing AGAINST calling Trips a "politician" was because it may not be ALL his fault. I'm sure Steph & Vinnie Mac are just as much to blame as good ole Hunter himself for his ridiculously insanely long title reigns[which I DON'T agree with when people like Christian, Edge, and Shelton haven't even had their FIRST title reigns].

"Patterson's decision to resign was the result of his being willing to point out to Vince McMahon what many wrestling fans have been saying for years...the mega-push of McMahon son-in-law Triple H is killing the RAW brand. He said to McMahon, in short that HHH's mega-push overshadows RAW to the detriment of the other characters. Patterson, said as so many others have said, that if a greater variety of characters and storylines were fully developed, it would benefit business.

Patterson gave his opinions after traveling to several RAW house shows, with McMahon NOT being willing to hear Patterson's side of the story....."

What more proof do you need? I'm tellin' ya, it's not ALL Trips's fault. Vince seems to have some agenda for keeping Triple H at the top. His motives[besides being Trip's father-in-law] are unknown. This was my point throughout this entire thing. While it seems as though Triple H is completely to blame for his character, Vince still has the final say-so. So, you cannot blame one man for the end result of an entire team[probably mostly consisting of HHH marks].

[Kane Knight]

True. But it's still suicide on a business level for Vince to let it go on and on. They just keep pushing Triple H as their top draw, and no one is buying it. I would figure that it has gotten to a point where a line would have to be drawn, but I guess that would make too much sense for the WWE.

Either way, you're right. It's all about picking the easiest scapegoat and blaming it, rather than addressing the actual problem.
It's all about the blame and how you lay it
It's all about control and if you can fake it
It's all about the piss and who's gonna take it
Coz while Steph is my bitch and I'm gonna fake it
I am the game you can never blame me
I am control long as I let Vince take me...

Rinse and repeat.

[Kane Knight]

Peopl;e aren't twisting your words, you're too stupid to say what you mean, or yo're dumb enough to think you can backtrack after you get called on your retarded shit.

[PureHatred]

hopefully he meant Vengence

He probably meant Vengeance.

[PureHatred]

olympic hitman, maybe you should see use smaller responses. Because you're shit at conveying what you actually mean when you create these ong rambling ones.

Plus, you keep contradicitng yourself. You argue tha tTrips is on top of Raw because he's BY FAR the best talent on the roster, and then a few posts later you're talking about all the other guys that should be given a shot. Make up you mind. Or don't post. Or Admit when you're wrong or you've re-thought your position. Or don't post.

Whatever.

[Kane Knight]

don't post.

[olympic hitman]

Want smaller posts that express my thoughts? Fine;

I said Trips was by far "The best" on RAW because he is being PUT OVER as the best. I have implied this several times throughout,but, I guess I had to spell it out.

I'm also not naive. Trips probably does want to stay at the top as much as Vince & Steph wanna keep him there. I was simply arguing against laying all the blame on HHH. Clearly, it's a conspiracy and not a one-man effort[as many have said in this post].

My view hasn't changed throughout this entire post so, how can I be back-tracking? Indeed :D

[PureHatred]

Putting those smiley faces at the end of your posts doesn't mean you're not a jack ass.

Although that last post was the most coherent thing you've written in this entire thread.

[Kane Knight]

don't post.

[PureHatred]

You're right, Vince as the CEO deserves as much blame or more so than Triple H for the condition of the product. But it somehow seems worse that Trips does it because, while Vince is making bad decisions based on his honest judgment of what best for the WWE, Triple H basically doesn't give a damn what's good for the WWE, he's only concerned with what's good for him.

It's the difference between accidentally committing manslaughter and committing murder with previous forethought. OR..Vince is fucking up, Triple H is being a fuck.

[olympic hitman]

Putting those smiley faces at the end of your posts doesn't mean you're not a jack ass.

Although that last post was the most coherent thing you've written in this entire thread.



It may be the most coherent thing[in your view], but, it's basically a shortened version of what I've been saying all along.

Calling me a "jackass" was a nice touch too, which proves my point about respect around here; no one respects anyone around here. Honestly, did calling me a "jackass" make you feel better? I bet you're a real trooper and nice guy :lol: Bet your imaginary friends think so too huh? Well, I'm not like you. I'm not gonna take childish shots at anyone. I actually have something RELEVANT to say, oh well, it's an impossible situation anyway, so, why bother :roll:

[Kane Knight]

Dude. Why are you so concerned with respect anyway?

And if you are, why did you go out of your way to blow all of it.

[olympic hitman]

Dude. Why are you so concerned with respect anyway?

And if you are, why did you go out of your way to blow all of it.



I, personally, don't care about respect. However, my opinions are what I insist on being respected. Seems everytime I post, there are tens of people here hell-bent on calling me names for me posting my OPINION.

And I've not "blown" anything, especially any respect, seeing as most posters that have flamed me have no honor to begin with. I don't know how things work around TPWW forums[as I'm new], but, at other boards, people actually respect each other's opinions without flaming them for what they choose to think[even though you may not agree with it]. I've been here a little over a week[maybe close to two] and have been flamed for my opinion over-and-over. If you disagree with my logic, go back and quote me and explain how you disagree and why.

To quote me and call me names is very unimaginative and pretty much irrelavent to the topic, after all isn't the purpose of replying to actually add your thoughts on a certain issue?

[Kane Knight]

If you don't care about respect, don't complain that you don't get any.

Jesus, is it that fucking hard to figure out? You keep posting to tell us you don't care about this or that, and it's even dumber when you complain about something.

[Kane Knight]

You're right, Vince as the CEO deserves as much blame or more so than Triple H for the condition of the product. But it somehow seems worse that Trips does it because, while Vince is making bad decisions based on his honest judgment of what best for the WWE, Triple H basically doesn't give a damn what's good for the WWE, he's only concerned with what's good for him.

It's the difference between accidentally committing manslaughter and committing murder with previous forethought. OR..Vince is fucking up, Triple H is being a fuck.
Vince is basically taking bad advice.

Triple H is one of the main suppliers of said bad advice.

Just to give your analogy another look.

I'm sure that Hitman will take this as "proof" that I'm agreeing Triple H isn't 100% to blame, but that's an irrelvent point his twisted mind game up to defend himself against the whole concept of Trips using backstage politics to keep himself on top and hurt the business.

[olympic hitman]

If you don't care about respect, don't complain that you don't get any.

Jesus, is it that fucking hard to figure out? You keep posting to tell us you don't care about this or that, and it's even dumber when you complain about something.



Ohh, I'm SO offended. I don't get ANY respect by the great KANE KNIGHT. :roll: This is exactly why I say you value your own opinion and refuse to hear anyone else's. Basically, Kane Knight only respects Kane Knight's views and no others. Which is perfectly fine with me. I could care less.....

BUT, I am however, saying that it is essentially my right to be entitled to an opinion. Whether you agree or not isn't any of my concern.....

And I basically complain about the name-calling aspect. That's the only thing I ever replied complaining about. Other than that, I've never complained about ANYTHING. So, once again, you're putting words into my mouth...... :eek: SHOCKING!!

[John la Rock]

that's KK for ya

[olympic hitman]

Vince is basically taking bad advice.

Triple H is one of the main suppliers of said bad advice.

Just to give your analogy another look.

I'm sure that Hitman will take this as "proof" that I'm agreeing Triple H isn't 100% to blame, but that's an irrelvent point his twisted mind game up to defend himself against the whole concept of Trips using backstage politics to keep himself on top and hurt the business.



This is probably the only thing we agree on. If infact Vince is taking advice from Hunter, then, Hunter is as much to blame as Vince. Although you see my point from earlier though. I've never said I agree with what Hunter does. This is a misconception and assumption that you[kane knight] made from the beginning which was completely wrong. All I've ever said is that we cannot know if Triple H is COMPLETELY to blame for what we see on TV. Since Vince is the boss, some of the blame goes to him. See what I mean? Oh well. Basically, throughout this entire post, people have been calling me ignorant. But, it is infact the other way around. People may ASSUMPTIONS that I was defending Triple H when I was NOT. I simply said he wasn't to blame for everything. Which again, most people took Knight's side after ASSUMING what he already did; that I was defending HHH :shifty:

[John la Rock]

as for as HHH being the total package I agree. He's probably the 3rd best wrestler in the company behind Angle and HBK

[Kane Knight]

Ohh, I'm SO offended. I don't get ANY respect by the great KANE KNIGHT. :roll: This is exactly why I say you value your own opinion and refuse to hear anyone else's. Basically, Kane Knight only respects Kane Knight's views and no others. Which is perfectly fine with me. I could care less.....

BUT, I am however, saying that it is essentially my right to be entitled to an opinion. Whether you agree or not isn't any of my concern.....

And I basically complain about the name-calling aspect. That's the only thing I ever replied complaining about. Other than that, I've never complained about ANYTHING. So, once again, you're putting words into my mouth...... :eek: SHOCKING!!
You were the one complaining about lack of respect. Multiple times.

Now you're trying to be a drama Queen, and play it like I'm the one who brought it up?

Doesn't matter if you want my respect or not, but if you don't care, why not stop whining about it?

[Kane Knight]

This is probably the only thing we agree on. If infact Vince is taking advice from Hunter, then, Hunter is as much to blame as Vince. Although you see my point from earlier though. I've never said I agree with what Hunter does. This is a misconception and assumption that you[kane knight] made from the beginning which was completely wrong. All I've ever said is that we cannot know if Triple H is COMPLETELY to blame for what we see on TV. Since Vince is the boss, some of the blame goes to him. See what I mean? Oh well. Basically, throughout this entire post, people have been calling me ignorant. But, it is infact the other way around. People may ASSUMPTIONS that I was defending Triple H when I was NOT. I simply said he wasn't to blame for everything. Which again, most people took Knight's side after ASSUMING what he already did; that I was defending HHH :shifty:

Actually, you assumed that I assumed that. I merely confirmed a hypothetical statement you made, at which point you threw a hissyfit about how you obviously had already said that (which you didn't).

I'm still not sure if you're lying because you're too much of a coward to admit you were wrong, or too stupid to see that you're wrong. Either way, doesn't change much. :)

[olympic hitman]

You were the one complaining about lack of respect. Multiple times.

Now you're trying to be a drama Queen, and play it like I'm the one who brought it up?

Doesn't matter if you want my respect or not, but if you don't care, why not stop whining about it?



I'm not whining, simply stating the obvious, since you are in some weird form of denial or somethin'......

And like I said, I could care less about your respect, as you have no integrity to begin with. You started this whole thing by calling me a "fuckwit". So, let me break it down for ya; You didn't call my opinion "fuckwitted", you called me 'fuckwitted' and basically went off-topic all for ME? :lol: Alot of effort for someone who claims they don't care.....

Actually, you assumed that I assumed that. I merely confirmed a hypothetical statement you made, at which point you threw a hissyfit about how you already said that[which you didn't].

I've assumed nothing. Just merely called everything as I seen it. As you answered to each "ignorant" post of mine[as the almight Knight is the judge,jury,& executioner about who knows what] I simply called your bluff and debated what you had already said. I threw no "hissyfits" or anything and I'm not quite sure why you keep emphasizing it, other than to keep repeating yourself.

And yes, go back to my original post. I did say that I wasn't defending Triple H. I believe it went a little something like;

I'd say keep the title off him awhile though. Being a ten time champion in a short time frame is ridiculous. He's getting up there with Flair and it took Flair twenty and thirty years to become a 16-time Champ.

The "keeping the title off him awhile" thing was implying that I didn't approve of his ridiculously long reigns. Which if you connect the dots, also implies that I'm NOT defending the guy for his wrongdoing[if the rumors about his politics are infact true].

Or how about this quote where I admitted I wasn't defending "The Game" in reply #90 of this same thread;

I admitted earlier that I "disliked" the fact that "The Game" uses his political power. Did you conveniantly skip that part?

Again, another example of where I wasn't defending HHH. Are you blind? Or just in a new level of denial?


I'm still not sure if you're lying because you're too much of a coward to admit you were wrong, or too stupid to see that you're wrong. Either way, doesn't change much :)

:rofl: This is perhaps the DUMBEST reply yet, as you added "coward" and "stupid" to the names you've already called me. Any more to showcase? And no, I'm no coward. If I'm wrong, I'm the first to admit it. You're just too much of a coward to admit that you assumed alot and now are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If you admit you assumed I was defending Triple H, all this name-calling and so-called "debating" of yours goes down the drain. And if you don't, you keep looking ignorant for refusal of admission[which is more obvious each time you reply :D].

[Tornado]

I bet you're a real trooper and nice guy :lol: Bet your imaginary friends think so too huh?


Well, I'm not like you. I'm not gonna take childish shots at anyone.


That was a pretty childish shot IMO.

Dude, just cut your losses, and either
a)Leave
or
b)Shut the fuck up.

Your call.

[Kane Knight]

I'm not whining, simply stating the obvious, since you are in some weird form of denial or somethin'......
The obvious being that you have to lie to make an argument?

Anyway, you quoted yourself saying you admitted Triple H was controlling the backstage through politics in defense of a post where YOU NEVER SAID IT.

I could say that my last post was about how Maven is the most underrated heel in the business, but anyone with an IQ can tell different.

Seriously, stop trying to pretend you can take any high ground here. You're clearly not smart enough to keep up with your own arguments (As Tornado has pointed out, along with me, Fox, YOUR Hero, etc.), let alone someone else's.

[Kane Knight]

Alos, Loose Cannon needs to go in that list, since he was the one that you got pissy with over your Matt Hardy/Rhyno comments, when you kept contradicting yourself.

And because he then proceeded to beat you like a sack of puppies.

[Jaded-Dragon]

hopefully he meant Vengence

Yes I did, my bad. Even so, I'll give you WMXX also. However, I still maintain that the preverbial "good Triple H match" is way too few and far between for him to continuously have the main spot on Raw.

[Corkscrewed]

as for as HHH being the total package I agree. He's probably the 3rd best wrestler in the company behind Angle and HBK
Ignoring how their pushes go, I'd put Jericho and Eddie Guerrero ahead of him easily in terms of total package (Eddie, IMO, is #1, just millimeters ahead of Angle). I'd also argue in favor of people like Christian.

[Kane Knight]

Ignoring how their pushes go, I'd put Jericho and Eddie Guerrero ahead of him easily in terms of total package (Eddie, IMO, is #1, just millimeters ahead of Angle). I'd also argue in favor of people like Christian.
Eddie, Angle, and Y2J are definites. In my mind, so is Christian.

I could make arguments for other, less established people too. Hurricane is GREAT in ring and great on the mic. However, he's not even an upper-mid carder, so I'm sure the marks will attack him. I'd also nominate Kane. Jacobs has mad love for the business, he's a professional, he's got good mic skills, and he's one of the few hosses who doesn't SUCK. I think he'd be a strong heel champ...

With the exception of Eddie and Angle, I'm focusing on the Raw roster, because the argument was there was nobody near his level on that show. Not JLR's argument, mind.

There are others who could probably make the list too, under different circumstances.

Simon Dean: Anyone who's seen Nova knows how capable he is. And he's done a decent job at selling us a shit gimmick in the Simon Dean character.

Eugene: Dinsmore's pretty damn good, and as above, can sell a retarded (literally) gimmick. If either one of these two weren't in idiot gimmicks/watered down...

Regal: Well, I like him. His matches probably aren't high energy enough for most though. His promo skills are damn fine though. While he's not up there with Angle or Eddie or Jericho, he's worth mentioning.

Hassan: He's a rookie who hasn't really proven himself in the ring, but is solid in the ring and on the stick.

Benoit: If he developed some personality: Rimshot.

In terms of pushes, anyone can get a huge push and whatnot. HHH needs to be jammed down our throats, where most of these people need simply to not be choked.

[Kane Knight]

Yes I did, my bad. Even so, I'll give you WMXX also. However, I still maintain that the preverbial "good Triple H match" is way too few and far between for him to continuously have the main spot on Raw.
That's the problem. trips in 2000 was awesome. Trips nowadays doesn't merit the spot he's pulling.

[The Highlander]

vs Benoit at Vengeance
vs Benoit and JBK at WMXX

Maybe somebody else is responsible for Hunter's "Good matches". I've never been bored by a Benoit match, so him having a bad match with HHH would have put me into shock. Benoit is the second coming of The Excellence of Execution.

Triple H, however, is the worst thing to happen to wrestling since Vince Russo. Jericho, probably fearing for his job, said what they're doing with HHH is no different than what they did to Hulk Hogan in the 80's. Comparing Hunter to Hogan? What's next, comparing Barry Bonds to Jackie Robinson? Hogan, like a lot of current Nascar drivers, took a fake hick sport and took it mainstream. HHH is taking the sport, and are losing fans. Even me, who used to watch it religously, now doesn't think about it much if I miss Raw or Smackdown.
Plus, in Hogan's time, they had other guys in the main event as well. Savage, Slaughter, Warrior, Andre, Hart, Bossman, Undertaker, Piper. Look at today. They build a guy, have him fued with HHH for a little bit, and throw him back in the pile. Trust me, by the end of the year, Batista will be competeing for the IC belt, and nobody will care that he had the heavyweight belt (See Benoit, Chris; Jericho, Chris; Orton, Randy)

[Kane Knight]

That's beside the point though.

They were talking about the last good matches with Hunter in it, and the point that (carried or not) he doesn't have enough good matches to justify a main event slot.

But yeah, your point about main event slots is valid. JEricho actually said the opposite, which makes me question his integrity (Obviously he wants to keep his paycheck), but Hogan was NOT the only main eventer of the Hulkamania era.

[olympic hitman]

That was a pretty childish shot IMO.

Dude, just cut your losses, and either
a)Leave
or
b)Shut the fuck up.

Your call.





I've never taken shots at ANYONE. The line about having imaginary friends and being a "trooper" were that new thing called *SARCASM*, which to no surprize, someone pointed out yet again and flamed me for[with the whole "b}shut the fuck up" line :roll: can't you come up with anything more original than the ole' "shut up" line?].

Secondly, back to KK. You say I "quoted myself" in defense of a post where HHH was controlling politics when I had said I NEVER said it. Again, smoke & mirror illogically statements and putting words into my mouth. I have clarified my stance on the whole HHH thing; While I do think he plays the politic game, I DON'T think he is COMPLETELY to blame for being on top all the time; which has been my base arguement this ENTIRE time, which was either A]twisted logically and made to look contradictory, when in fact it WASN'T or B]flamed for, seeing as most people either didn't get the full depth of my view on the subject or were simply looking for a reason to flame for flame's sake;

Bottom line is I have NEVER backed down nor have I contradicted myself at ANY point. You'll probably pull another page of twisted logic or smoke & mirror arguing, but, I will not. Seeing as this topic is basically dead and no longer serving a purpose[wait, better save that line, as people might quote it and say "why keep replying then", when it is painstakingly obvious KK is taking shots at me, sure, why should I reply when people are still taking shots; logically indeed ;)].

Can't win em all. Apparently, people on this board aren't ready for differing opinions. Obviously, I'm a HHH fan. Although I don't mark for the guy, I am a fan of his work. Sometimes, it may come across as being 'biased' by terms of others, but, it's not. I'm also a realist and realize Trips is holding guys like Edge,Christian,Benjamin and Kane back from holding the belt in which he quite oftenly holds. I went this far to explain all this so it would partly stand to reason as my logic throughout this post; but, again, most people are just looking for a reason to flame me, so, why even bother to explain my position?

Good ridance to this topic :wave:

[Kane Knight]

I ammmmmmmmmah...The gammmmmmmeuh... *incoherrent rambling for 90 paragraphs* It's all a conspiracy...I ammmmmmuh rightttttuh...Everyone elseuh is againsssssstuh me...

[PureHatred]

:lol:

[Corkscrewed]

KK gets rep 4 that :lol:

[the_rock's_#1_fan]

my thoughts exactly.

Nice job ROSEY--You f***ed up the perfect opportunity for Batista to drop the belt to HHH at Backlash and have him and Cena switch shows. What an ignorant JACKASS... :nono: :mad: :foc: