Is it me, or are even the TNA folks not impressed by Lockdown?

[Kane Knight]

I mean, the backstage interview. Three people, and only AJ Styles seems at all into it. Jeff hardy was preaching oldschool, but with energy that reminded me of Slowpoke Gonzalez. And douglas was like "blah."

Of course, the ringside announce team is trying to sell pretty much everything like usual, but even they seem like they're popping Valium. I think the most energy I saw outside of the ring was from Waltman, and likely only to take his mind off Chyna or whatever she calls herself now.

So is it me? Am I reading too much into this, or does it really seem like that "death watch" comment in one article posted recently is pretty apt?

[Shadow]

Considering that backstage stuff was done in one day and Jeff was concussed.....I'd say yeah...they're all on death watch.

[Loose Cannon]

LOL, I wonder what their reactions will be when they realize they just aired a PPV with 7 cage matches

[PullMyFinger]

LOL, I wonder what their reactions will be when they realize they just aired a PPV with 7 cage matches
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

I almost spit out my water when I read that post. :rofl:

Yeah, I saw some of Impact! tonight but had to change the channel...it was way too fucking boring.

[olympic hitman]

TNA is a good company. They have good talent. The problem is, there aren't too many big names to put the new guys "over".

As far as the "Lockdown PPV" is concerned, I think TNA in general aren't trying at all. It's obvious the Jarretts are too occupied with getting a solid TV deal while Dusty Rhodes totally ruins the TV shows to pure boredom involving his son, Dustin, YAY!! :n:

I think the concept of having all the matches as "six-sides of steel" is cool. But, sooner or later, it will get old if they keep bringing it back so quickly.....

I'm really hoping for the best with TNA's future, but, I'm not sure what lies ahead of them;

If they could somehow get Rhyno & Matt Hardy along with a solid TV deal[rumored to be with "Spike TV"], TNA could then definetely make an IMPACT! The final thing to do would be to get rid of Rhodes as booker. Wouldn't it kickass if Heyman ever went to TNA?!

[Gone Mad]

I'll laugh if they continually hype this damn PPV to the point where everything will be surrounded with cages (just the thought of a cage surrounding the announcer's table alone), it shows that the show's one giant gimmick. That and have you seen the matches that are on the card? It's like selling Viscera v. Mark Henry in a cage sometimes.

And yes, they realize that this is death watch time, since this is pretty much like having 7 Inferno matches. It's overkill and it's just a cheap way of getting ratings.

[PureHatred]

TNA is a good company. They have good talent. The problem is, there aren't too many big names to put the new guys "over".

They have planty of big names, fucktwit. They just make sure that all the "new guys" are the ones that do all the jobbing. Try reading the results once in a while.

I think the concept of having all the matches as "six-sides of steel" is cool. But, sooner or later, it will get old if they keep bringing it back so quickly.....

One of the basic concepts of booking is that you use gimmick matches sparingly, or else they lose their importance. Having all the matches in a cage is outright stupid. Why should I, as a viewer, care that Abyss v Styles is in a cage when even the curtain jerkers are in a cage? [Why, retard, why?]

TNA could then definetely make an IMPACT! The final thing to do would be to get rid of Rhodes as booker. Wouldn't it kickass if Heyman ever went to TNA?!

See, I get it..what you did there was use the word IMPACT in your sentence ike TNA uses that word for the name of their show...you sir, are one clever rascal.

[PullMyFinger]

I'll laugh if they continually hype this damn PPV to the point where everything will be surrounded with cages (just the thought of a cage surrounding the announcer's table alone), it shows that the show's one giant gimmick. That and have you seen the matches that are on the card? It's like selling Viscera v. Mark Henry in a cage sometimes.

And yes, they realize that this is death watch time, since this is pretty much like having 7 Inferno matches. It's overkill and it's just a cheap way of getting ratings.
Tenay: Ladies and gentlemen, we're in a steel cage! Everyone is under lockdown!
West: Oh my!!!! Only on TNA!!!!

[KayfabeMan]

Maybe by booking all the matches in a cage they're trying to get Spike TV's attention again :shifty:

[KayfabeMan]

Either that or Sean O'Haire is going to debut with them :shifty:

[PullMyFinger]

Maybe by booking all the matches in a cage they're trying to get Spike TV's attention again :shifty:
That's sad. When Spike requested copies of Impact!, I assume the deal would die there...since Impact! is terrible.

[olympic hitman]

Pure Hatred, you silly bastard, you know nothing of which you speak.

How do you know if I do/don't watch TNA IMPACT? Exactly, you don't. You're just assuming I don't. I've been watching Impact since it debuted on Fox Sports Net. So, don't tell me about knowing the product.....

They basically have NO mid-card and the highlight of the Heavyweight division is Jeff Jarrett[who's been champion over a year :roll:]. The X-Division is the only thing keeping the shows worth watching....

And back to the supposed "stars" TNA has? Name them? I can. 6-Pac[Waltman],Jarrett,Nash,The Outlaw,Raven, and DDP. Basically the rest are all TNA creations that have been with the company since it's beginning.

Another thing, the whole "fuckwit" thing is moronic, dude. It makes you seem more like the ass of the situation than me, but, hey, I could care less anyway, since you come off lookin' worse than me :lol:

Once again, another topic taken off track because some childish guy decided it would be better to focus on name-calling rather than actually discussing TNA & the LockDown PPV......

Man, how many idiots can one board possibly have?[don't answer, it's retorical anyhow].

[PureHatred]

*rhetorical, fucktwit

[DaveWadding]

Hey, if we're all idiots, you can leave at anytime :wave:

[PureHatred]

Plus, you named six established, name wrestlers. How many more do they need, since in your first post you said they didn't have enough to get their "new guys" over?

[PureHatred]

Plus, you ignored how I called you a retard for thinking that a PPV where everything [maybe even the announce table!!!] is a good idea.

[olympic hitman]

Hey, if we're all idiots, you can leave at anytime :wave:



Like I give a damn what you think. If I cared, I would answer ya, but, alas, I don't.....

Plus, you named six established, name wrestlers. How many more do they need, since in your first post you said they didn't have enough to get their "new guys" over?

C'mon dude. Use common sense. The guys I listed are basically washed-up has been WWE rejects. 6-Pac,DDP[WCW& WWE reject] and Nash[same as DDP] are all coming towards the END of their careers; in case you haven't followed their string of injuries. Between Nash & DDP alone you have more injuries than a hospital full of 70 and 80 year olds, which is pathetic. "Putting over" is usually a symbolism type deal. Where torches are passed from one generation to the next. Where careers are established. I'd say Raven & The Outlaw are the only two outta the six men listed that could even "put over" new guys such as Monty Brown, AJ Styles, etc. Plus, in case you haven't noticed, TNA has a major shortage of stars for the main-event. So, getting new talent[such as Matt Hardy & Rhyno;newly-released] wouldn't hurt them none.


Plus, you ignored how I called you a retard for thinking that a PPV where everything is a good idea.

Hatred, open-mouth and insert foot. That's perhaps the dumbest thing you've said to me since my arrival here. Where[in my post] did I say TNA was "the best"? NOWHERE. Dumbass. I simply said TNA was "good" or "decent". They are NOWHERE near the level of the WWE and won't be until top stars come over and start putting over some of their new guys like mad crazy, wouldn't ya agree? Well, if you don't who cares? I'm like every other generic poster at TPWW. I don't care about the other guy's opinion. Mine's the only one that counts *SARCASTIC MODE OFF*

[PureHatred]

Ah, my bad. what I meant to say was that I called you a retard for saying that it was a good idea to have a PPV where everything was in a steel cage.

Typo.

[olympic hitman]

Ah, my bad. what I meant to say was that I called you a retard for saying that it was a good idea to have a PPV where everything was in a steel cage.

Typo.



Again, words being forced into mouth syndrome....

While I did say the CONCEPT of having all cage matches were "cool" I didn't say it was a good idea as a whole. The concept is new and innovative. How many WWE PPVs have you seen with ALL cage matches from curtain jerker to main event? NONE.

I don't think it'll go over too well, as I stated in my original post. It will get "old if they keep bringing it back so quickly" were my exact words, I do believe. The Turning Point PPV where they had AMW vs. Triple X in the 6-Sides of Steel match was cool. But, it's stupid for TNA to book ALL of the matches @ LockDown as cage matches. Innovative, yet, unimaginative. Yet another example of bad taste in booking by Dusty Rhodes.....

[Kane Knight]

Considering that backstage stuff was done in one day and Jeff was concussed.....I'd say yeah...they're all on death watch.
Jeff is excused then. HEad trauma's a good excuse for not knowing what's going on. ;)

[Kane Knight]

TNA is a good company. They have good talent. The problem is, there aren't too many big names to put the new guys "over".

As far as the "Lockdown PPV" is concerned, I think TNA in general aren't trying at all. It's obvious the Jarretts are too occupied with getting a solid TV deal while Dusty Rhodes totally ruins the TV shows to pure boredom involving his son, Dustin, YAY!! :n:

I think the concept of having all the matches as "six-sides of steel" is cool. But, sooner or later, it will get old if they keep bringing it back so quickly.....

I'm really hoping for the best with TNA's future, but, I'm not sure what lies ahead of them;

If they could somehow get Rhyno & Matt Hardy along with a solid TV deal[rumored to be with "Spike TV"], TNA could then definetely make an IMPACT! The final thing to do would be to get rid of Rhodes as booker. Wouldn't it kickass if Heyman ever went to TNA?!
You've never watched TNA, have you?

TNA have a LOT of names, and a LOT of talent. The problem is they've got the senior citizens holding down talent just like TNA.

[Kane Knight]

Maybe by booking all the matches in a cage they're trying to get Spike TV's attention again :shifty:
No wonder they've changed the title of the PPV to "TNA: We're really UFC" and hired back shamrock.

[Kane Knight]

Either that or Sean O'Haire is going to debut with them :shifty:
I don't know, there's a way out of this cage.

[Kane Knight]

Hey, if we're all idiots, you can leave at anytime :wave:
HE feels at home.

[ColdwaVer]

You've never watched TNA, have you?

TNA have a LOT of names, and a LOT of talent. The problem is they've got the senior citizens holding down talent just like TNA.

You've hit on the real problem: the names have no talent, and the talent has no name.

[Kane Knight]

You've hit on the real problem: the names have no talent, and the talent has no name.
Which is indeed the problem, and it won't change as long as the TNA bookers think that people want to se ea mian event slot involving Kevin Nash.

[Nark Order]

I wonder when TNA will pick Matt Hardy...

[YOUR Hero]

- They are NOWHERE near the level of the WWE and won't be until top stars come over and start putting over some of their new guys like mad crazy, wouldn't ya agree?
Am I reading this right?
Do you really think the purpose of getting big name stars in a company is to job them?
What motivation would these stars have in doing such a thing to their career?

[Kane Knight]

Am I reading this right?
Do you really think the purpose of getting big name stars in a company is to job them?
What motivation would these stars have in doing such a thing to their career?
Especially when they can go to TNA and go over rookies when they're in their 80s.

[Kane Knight]

I wonder when TNA will pick Matt Hardy...
That sounded very Pokémon to me.

"MAttitude! I CHOOSE YOU!"

But seriously, they can't hire Matt. He would eat up the time for lesser stars.

[Loose Cannon]

Those "top guys" are wayyyy passed the point where they can put somebody over. You think AJ Syles pinning a Kevin Nash would do anything?

[The CyNick]

A real main event guy would be someone who left the WWE in favour of TNA, like Hogan and co did with WCW back in the day.

The fact that TNA uses all of the WWE castaways as top guys shows that they will never make it on a major level.

If I were Spike TV I wouldn't do business with TNA, I would rather put more time into UFC, which has a chance of blowing up.

The Cage PPV idea is dumb. Basic wrestling logic says that when you do something too much, you lose the specialness of it, and it becomes meaningless.

Its a new concept yes, but I could try to sell a PPV by having 8 matches where the guys could only use bodyslams as offensive moves. Thats new, but its still a really dumb idea.

After this PPV how are they ever going to be able to sell another cage match in the next 6-8 months? Nobody will care. They alreay exhausted the Ultimate X match, not they are doing it to the cage gimmick. Not smart for a company that relies so heavily on PPV buys.

[Nowhere Man]

Hey, if we're all idiots, you can leave at anytime :wave:



Like I give a damn what you think. If I cared, I would answer ya, but, alas, I don't.....

Anyone else catch on to the blatant self-contradictory in caring enough to reply to Dave's statement just to say he doesn't care enough to reply?

Anyways, the all-cage PPV is stupid, and TNA will go down as a major disappointment in my book, with enough talented workers to put on great shows and decent enough names to survive in the indies, but bogged down by awful booking. (I love run-on sentences)

[DaveWadding]

Anyone else catch on to the blatant self-contradictory in caring enough to reply to Dave's statement just to say he doesn't care enough to reply?


I was just going to say something about that. Bastard. :mad:

[LK]

vBulletin Message
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The CyNick again.

[GODSON]

They going through a period right now but things should be changing real soon.TNA always had it's up's and down just like every other company has.

Jerry and Jeff Jarrett is already on Dusty ass and he will probably be gone after Hard Justice. They already told Dusty to stop using Dustin that much. They also fired Phi Delta Slam and put down Trytan. I think they realize Dusty not doing well.

Nash last match is probably at Lockdown.He's gone, YEA!!!

DDP said he got three big matches left, he will be gone after June basically.

Hall is already fired.

I don't expect Waltman too last.Since he paid by appearances and Nash is leaving, he's done.

Jarrett about to push the X division again like he did before Dusty came in according to PWINSIDER. Plus, Dutt is already back. TNA is expecting to bring Spanky,Shelley and Red back this summer. Also James Gibson(Noble) and TNA is talking now. Don't forget the fact that Matt Hardy and Rhyno will be free in July.

Styles is expected to win the title at either Slammiversary or Hard Justice. They already pushing Styles as a main eventer since he's main eventing Lockdown.That's a good thing, it should be a good thing if you want a wrestler who is great as your champion.

3lk is about to break up and New Age Outlawz will reunite. According to current storylines. The tag division will be hot with The Naturals getting more air time now since last summer, add that with AMW,Team Canada,Siaki/Apollo,Kash/Hoyt and NAO,pretty good division. Don't forget the possible reunion of the Hardy Boyz.

You can say it's a down period but to called it death watch is a typical reader who think TNA is about to go out of business every month. If TNA was going out of business or anywhere close, don't you think the wrestlers will be jumping off the ship by now. It will be all over the net by now.

[James Steele]

You shut up ignorant ass.

[James Steele]

Also, TNA has only been around 3 years. You aren't so supposed to have this many ups and downs when you have only been around 3 years.

[GODSON]

You shut up ignorant ass.

Ignorant, ok, if Lockdown turns out to be good will you give credit to TNA?

I just pointed out some things. How many times we seen a "TNA about to die topic"? It seems like every month we go through the same thing. It's like people is waiting for TNA to die ever since day 1. TNA can't even make a mistake without someone saying, "they is about to go out of business". No wrestling company is perfect and if you looking for perfection, go play your little video games because you not living in the real world.

[Kane Knight]

Also, TNA has only been around 3 years. You aren't so supposed to have this many ups and downs when you have only been around 3 years.
:y;

Also, you consider that I was alluding to someone else's reporting, where the mood backstage WAS considered to be a "death watch."

TNA shouldn't be fluctuating this wildly right now. With the WWE, it's easy to say that it's a cyclical buysiness (Whether or not you believe it). With TNA, it hasn't been around long enough to cycle like this.

Now, contrary to the semi-literate Godson's beliefs, I'm not one of the people calling out that TNA will die monthly. What I am calling out is that when even the talent in the show don't seem all that excited...

You have.

A fucking.

Problem.

[GODSON]

Also, TNA has only been around 3 years. You aren't so supposed to have this many ups and downs when you have only been around 3 years.

But their down's is not as big as people make them out to be. Sometimes people make a big deal out of nothing.

[GODSON]

:y;


Now, contrary to the semi-literate Godson's beliefs, I'm not one of the people calling out that TNA will die monthly. What I am calling out is that when even the talent in the show don't seem all that excited...

You have.

A fucking.

Problem.

Well according to those same reports, after they heard about the meeting between Dusty/Jarrett, things became up-beat.

[James Steele]

Are you calling my video games little? My N64 and PSOne will kick your ass.

Anyway, I quit watching TNA so I could care less. I am one of the most obsessive wrestling fans you can know and I quit watching TNA. I watch the replays if I feel like it, but I'd usually rather watch a Proactive Skin Care infomercial.

[Kane Knight]

But their down's is not as big as people make them out to be. Sometimes people make a big deal out of nothing.
Their downs are enough that I barely watch anymore, and a lot of people have been turned off from the product. People they can't afford to lose.

That's a pretty BIG down. Especially for "nothing."

[Kane Knight]

Well according to those same reports, after they heard about the meeting between Dusty/Jarrett, things became up-beat.
And being unable to pay the worlers? This isalso nothign, I presume.

[olympic hitman]

Their downs are enough that I barely watch anymore, and a lot of people have been turned off from the product. People they can't afford to lose.

That's a pretty BIG down. Especially for "nothing."



So,basically, you go from asking if I watch the product, to saying it's not worth watching anymore? And I'm the one who contradicts myself? :rofl: Hardly.

To answer your earlier post, yes, I do watch TNA[which I believe I said that like 3 posts before you even asked]. I know TNA has talent. The problem is, the six guys I listed earlier are the only ones with name recognition and name value. Not too many people will buy a PPV with Petey Williams vs. David Young as the main event. Why? No one knows who they are[except people like me, who watch on a weekly basis].

And to Your Hero; You asked what the point was of having WWE stars come over and job to TNA stars would be? Obviously, that won't happen ALL the time. I don't think if Matt Hardy or Rhyno came over, they would lose all the time, as that wouldn't make sense. What I am saying, is that a guy with the name value of a Rhyno or Matt Hardy losing to a new upcomer in TNA[such as Monty Brown, AJ Styles, or Petey Williams] would help build TNA some established stars. After beating guys like Rhyno or Hardy, TNA guys would then be known. That was my entire point above, which was simply taken out of context.

And concerning the whole "I don't give a damn" thing. I was simply being *sarcastic*. Where's the humor? Geez. I think people take themselves a little TOO seriously for their own good.....

[Loose Cannon]

LOL, A guy like Matt Hardy or Rhyno losing to anybody on TNA WOULD NOT HELP ANYONE. You really think Matt Hardy and Rhyno can establish someone? And you really think Rhyno has more name value then AJ Styles? Why cause he jobbed a billion times on Smackdown?

"After Beating guys like Rhyno or Hardy, TNA guys would be known"

:lol: Are you watching the same Matt Hardy and Rhyno as me here?

[Kane Knight]

So,basically, you go from asking if I watch the product, to saying it's not worth watching anymore? And I'm the one who contradicts myself? :rofl: Hardly.
No, I asked if you even watched it because your statement was incorrect. Or at least, poorly worded.

I then made a separate statement about my opinion of the state of TNA, which was unrelated. That you are digging this deep to try and prove something is truly sad. That you can't seem to grasp how poor your connection is, moreso.

[Mr. JL]

Hahaha, TNA fucking sucks these days.

I used to be a big fan but the product has sucked so much. They have so many fucking problems with their roster and broadcast team, not too mention the booking/writers/creative department are fucking smoking crack.

Diamond Dallas Page, Dustin Rhodes, Jeff Hardy, Kevin Nash, Outlaw, Scott Hall, Sean Waltman should never have been signed. I'm a fan of all of them but I feel that they should only be making one shot deal appearences or matches in order to grab some casuals attentions. They should not be regulars.

[Kane Knight]

Hahaha, TNA fucking sucks these days.

I used to be a big fan but the product has sucked so much. They have so many fucking problems with their roster and broadcast team, not too mention the booking/writers/creative department are fucking smoking crack.

Diamond Dallas Page, Dustin Rhodes, Jeff Hardy, Kevin Nash, Outlaw, Scott Hall, Sean Waltman should never have been signed. I'm a fan of all of them but I feel that they should only be making one shot deal appearences or matches in order to grab some casuals attentions. They should not be regulars.
Out of them, I would have only really signed one guy fulltime, and given him a bit of a push. Jeff Hardy. Now, I'm not a fan of him, but he has appeal to screaming teenage girls and half the fags on TPWW. I think using him right, you could establish a fanbase of screaming fanboys and fangirls who would have at least some efffect on the ratings.

The problem is, even booked right, you'd still need to give them a reason to stay.

That's TNA's biggest problem. Even if they could get the Rock to show up, the booking that's gone on would drive people off after a couple of weeks. The people who tant to see Hardy don't want to see him fed to Jarrett, or a long JJ title reign.

No more than the rest of us.

And the same goes for the upper card being choked with aging relics. The only people who want this are the guys looking to collect a check from it.

Hardy should've stayed in the X-Div anyway, instead of a title shot. It sets the bar too high for him, especially knowing JJ would win.

but I've gotten off topic.

For the most part, I agree with your statement. These guys shouldn't be signed. They're trying hard to pull the same coup that WCW did, but they're using people without the contemporary power. TNA blows, and I watch some of the matches, but barely remember the last show already. It's on par with Heat right now. You might see one good match, or occasionally one that BLOWS YOU AWAY, but more commonly, it's the pounce, JJ on the mic, or some aging rehab victim.

But whatever. If they want to sink themselves, who am I to complain?

[olympic hitman]

LOL, A guy like Matt Hardy or Rhyno losing to anybody on TNA WOULD NOT HELP ANYONE. You really think Matt Hardy and Rhyno can establish someone? And you really think Rhyno has more name value then AJ Styles? Why cause he jobbed a billion times on Smackdown?

"After Beating guys like Rhyno or Hardy, TNA guys would be known"

:lol: Are you watching the same Matt Hardy and Rhyno as me here?



Try to stay with me here guys, as I will try to explain this AGAIN;

While I do realize Hardy & Rhyno have been made jobbers for the latter part of their careers, they HAVE been established names. Can anyone dispute the fact that Rhyno is a former ECW Champion? No. Can anyone dispute the fact that Matt Hardy has been WWE Tag Team Champ & WWE Cruiserweight Champ? No. So, once again, we have a slight twisting of logic......BIG SHOCKER there, as every time I post, there are a mob of people trying to twist around what I actually said for what they understood it to be[which seemingly seems to be two VERY seperate things].

No, I asked if you even watched it because your statement was incorrect. Or at least poorly worded.

Once again, this is a classic case of you think you know everything. My statement was "poorly worded". Which statement? The one about TNA having basically NO established known stars[which they don't] or the one where the TNA made stars aren't established enough[which they aren't, which is the main reason why people DON'T watch, along with bad booking by Big Dust, Dusty Rhodes].

Funny, the only other thing I even talked about besides the established stars topic was the fact that @ LockDown all the matches will be in "Six Sides of Steel". So, basically, there was NOTHING in the post that was incorrect, nor worded "poorly". If you ask me, I think you have some issues about insecurity with your own intelligence, hence the reason you go around calling others "fuckwits" "retarded" or other choice phrases. Talk about your Inferiority complexes.....

I then made a seperate statement about my opinion of TNA, which was unrelated. That you are digging this deep to try and prove something is truly sad. That you can't seem to grasp how poor your connection is, moreso

Once again, I'm NOT trying to prove anything to YOU. In all my above posts, I was simply stating "my opinion on TNA, which was unrelated" to proving anything to you. You seem to have a pattern of trying to focus your energies on making me look dumb. Which clearly I'm NOT. I have debated you with FACT upon each topic within this thread. If you go back and look at my earlier posts, you will see everything relates to TNA & the LockDown PPV. You, on the other hand, have once again turned the focus from the actual topic, to wanting to make me look idiotic[failed again btw :D]. Trust me, you cannot say I haven't used solid facts in this topic. I will agree, in the "Jesus" topic I did make a few comments that were unfounded in fact, which once again, you jumped all over and tried to make the whole board take notice of how "idiotic" you think I am. I watch TNA probably more than you do, pal. So, when I say something about the product, I know what I'm talking about. So, how does that make my "connection poor"? Doesn't make sense and further proves my point about your inferiority complex on the intelligence issue.

[Kane Knight]

Oh God, now he's trying to pull the "know it all" card on me.

Jesus fucking Christ, why are you chomping at the bit so hard to try and prove me wrong?

[Londoner]

Cos he hates you. Oh and hes one of those internet 'tough guys'....

[olympic hitman]

Oh God, now he's trying to pull the "know it all" card on me.

Jesus fucking Christ, why are you chomping at the bit so hard to try and prove me wrong?



I'm not pulling the "know it all" card on ya, I'm simply pointing out the obvious, as you seem to be the one hell-bent on making me look inferior to you, hence, making you the "know-it-all". Correct?

I don't really consider myself "chomping at the bit to prove you wrong". I'm just calling them as I see them.

I respect you. You don't seem to realize that. I respect you because you have basically been the only one that even puts forth an effort to intelligently debate around here. However, I disrespect your flaming of other people. As I've stated on numerous occasions before, if you disagree with me, fine. Just don't expect me to sit back after you have called me[personally] a "fuckwit" or "moron" or other choice phrases to make yourself feel better. In the "Jesus" thread, you pretty much owned me. I'll be the first to admit it. But, as far as this thread is concerned, I've done my homework[so to speak, as I am a HUGE TNA fan. I think their brand is better wrestling-wise than WWE]. As I've stated before, I'm not perfect. Neither is anyone else here though. It's just a shame you don't show others the respect that they show you, as memory serves me correctly, you began calling me names first & not the other way around. Other than that, I don't have a problem with ya.....

So, lighten up :cool: :yes:

[John la Rock]

so who's going to lose to Jarrett?

[Loose Cannon]

What I am saying, is that a guy with the name value of a Rhyno or Matt Hardy losing to a new upcomer in TNA[such as Monty Brown, AJ Styles, or Petey Williams] would help build TNA some established stars. After beating guys like Rhyno or Hardy, TNA guys would then be known.

UMMMM, I was looking at this comment right here. What I gather from this is that You seem to think TNA guys would become more known and established if they beat Matt Hardy or Rhyno. Is that not what you typed?

If it is, I still hold my other reply to your statement.

[Loose Cannon]

you have basically been the only one that even puts forth an effort to intelligently debate around here.

LOL, how long have you been here? A week

And about 5 other guys debated you in that other thread

[Savio]

LOL, I wonder what their reactions will be when they realize they just aired a PPV with 7 cage matchesWhat? on TV?

[olympic hitman]

LOL, how long have you been here? A week

And about 5 other guys debated you in that other thread


Yes, I've been here something like a week.

However, the other 5 guys that debated were basically Knight clones and were saying almost EXACTLY the same thing, which is the reason I said he was the only one intelligently debating me. It doesn't take alot of effort to see two guys debating a topic and then coming in and saying what one has already said, as it serves no purpose.

And yes, I was saying that if a wrestler such as Rhyno or Matt Hardy lost to a TNA guy, it would then give the TNA established guy more credibility as a threat. That's generally the way it works; lesser known star defeats more well-known star and becomes a known star in the process. Right?

[Kane Knight]

Actually,. knowing more than you doesn't make me a know it all.

Hell, it doesn't even prove that I'm reasonably intelligent. I don't think someone needs to know much to be more intelligent or knowledgeable than you.

Case in point...If you immediately jump to the conclusion that I must be a know it all because I'm trying to argue with you, you are assuming a huge jump.

[Loose Cannon]

No, that's not the way it works. IT only works when the guy who's putting you over has more credibility then you. If you think a guy like RHYNO, who was ECW Champion when the company was at it's lowest point and who has been seen on Velocty jobbing quite a few times, has more star power then AJ Styles, Monty Brown etc... then you need to go back and look at the history of wrestling.

Cast aways from the WWE coming over to TNA after being fired by WWE makes them look like 2nd rate workers. How is that helping anybody?

As an example, when Justin Credible came to the WWE after his ECW stint and pinned Scotty 2 Hotty on Raw, who by your standards was a bigger star then JC because he was in WWE and more known, did JC become more established? No. Why? Because nobody cared about Scotty 2 Hotty and he wasn't established himself.

[Kane Knight]

The fact that 5 "clones" agreed with me, or the fact that we're arguing with better reasonaing than you should tell you something.

Instead, you cry conspiracy.

[PureHatred]

don't post

[olympic hitman]

Actually,. knowing more than you doesn't make me a know it all.

Hell, it doesn't even prove that I'm reasonably intelligent. I don't think someone needs to know much to be more intelligent or knowledgeable than you.

Case in point...If you immediately jump to the conclusion that I must be a know it all because I'm trying to argue with you, you are assuming a huge jump.



No, the fact that you value your own opinion over mine or anyone else's makes you a "know-it-all". That's not a huge leap, seeing as you do seem to be you're biggest fan.

And once again, you take a cheap shot at my intelligence, geez, talk about someone who's "chomping at the bit"?:shifty: If you have nothing to prove, why do you keep taking cheap shots at me and then saying I know nothing? Exactly :roll: .

The "5 clones" thing was mentioned because basically everyone agreed with ya. So, in a way, they are conforming to your way of thinking and not using their own brain. Facts are facts. Knight says something, in comes Pure Hatred breaking his arm to pat his back and agree. Then, comes another. And another. That's why I even brought it up....


And to Loose Cannon; Yes, it does work the way I described. So, if we follow your logic, if Hassan beats Batista, it's irrelevant and no one would care :wtf: What I said was simply enough; when a lesser known star[say an AJ Styles] wins over an already established WWE star[Matt Hardy] that would give him more credibility. I say this because comparing TNA talent as being "over" with WWE talent being "over" are two very different things. Most fans don't even watch TNA. The bigger variety of fans probably only watch WWE. This is why I said if Hardy[or Rhyno] went to TNA, they could make the already established TNA star more credible.....

[Kane Knight]

I love you.

[Kane Knight]

No, the fact that you value your own opinion over mine or anyone else's makes you a "know-it-all".
Actually, all it makes me is human. Everyone argues their own opinion, dumbass.

[PureHatred]

Just want to say, me making it a point to disagree with olympic hitman has less to do with agreeing with KK and more to do with oh's statements in the "Jesus" thread.

That is all.

[Loose Cannon]

OMG, are you kidding me? Did you not read my post or what? I'll even quote it


IT only works when the guy who's putting you over has more credibility then you

Now, does Batista have more credibility then Hassan right now Sherlock? YES YES YES. So it works. I swear you get more ignorant as you type.

Nice :wtf: though :y:

AJ Styles pinning Matt Hardy, who hasn't been seen in god knows how long, has never been a draw, has never main evented, has never won the IC Title, hasn't been over in about 2 years and was just fired by the WWE, is not going to do a DAM THING for AJ.

[olympic hitman]

Actually, all it makes me is human. Everyone argues their own opinion, dumbass.



I think you mean "values their own opinion" don't you? And I'm the "dumbass"? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[olympic hitman]

OMG, are you kidding me? Did you not read my post or what? I'll even quote it




Now, does Batista have more credibility then Hassan right now Sherlock? YES YES YES. So it works. I swear you get more ignorant as you type.

Nice :wtf: though :y:

AJ Styles pinning Matt Hardy, who hasn't been seen in god knows how long, has never been a draw, has never main evented, has never won the IC Title, hasn't been over in about 2 years and was just fired by the WWE, is not going to do a DAM THING for AJ.



While AJ may hold more actual wins than Hardy, Hardy IS a bigger star, as the WWE is a bigger organazation than TNA. This was my point. If Hardy were brought in TNA and won some and was pushed into a feud with AJ and AJ won, how would that hurt his credibility? I rest my case.

And the amount of people who take shots at people being "ignorant" is simply astounding. You'd think this board is nothing but 2 and 3 year olds the way people choose to call names instead of logically debating......

[Kane Knight]

Just want to say, me making it a point to disagree with olympic hitman has less to do with agreeing with KK and more to do with oh's statements in the "Jesus" thread.

That is all.
Considering the number of people who bashed OH that "hate" me, yes. I'd say it's a no brainer to presume it's less because they want to agree with me, and more because he was being totally stupid.

Then again, Hero, BDC, and a couple of others put forth some good arguments. IF they were saying the same thing as me, it makes me feel like my own words had more meaning. After all, Hero was very reaosnable and insightful. BDC was to-the-point.

[Kane Knight]

I think you mean "values their own opinion" don't you? And I'm the "dumbass"? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
No, they argue their own opinion, the same as you argue a point.

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v. ar·gued, ar·gu·ing, ar·gues
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To put forth reasons for or against; debate: “It is time to stop arguing tax-rate reductions and to enact them” (Paul Craig Roberts).
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You see, genius, you can argue FOR something just as easily as against. Once again, you have tried to take a cheap shot, and come out looking like a fucking retard.

In other words...

And I'm the "dumbass"? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yes, you are.

[PureHatred]

Considering the number of people who bashed OH that "hate" me, yes. I'd say it's a no brainer to presume it's less because they want to agree with me, and more because he was being totally stupid.

Then again, Hero, BDC, and a couple of others put forth some good arguments. IF they were saying the same thing as me, it makes me feel like my own words had more meaning. After all, Hero was very reaosnable and insightful. BDC was to-the-point.

HAH! As if BDC and Hero's use of logic and reason were any match to olympic hitman's "Smiley Face Wall of DOOOOOOOM!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Loose Cannon]

No, you're point was Hardy and Rhyno would establish the TNA guys and get them over. Saying Hardy is a bigger star then AJ because Hardy worked in WWE means nothing. What if Bob Holly went to TNA and worked a feud with AJ. Would AJ get over because he pinned Holly?

Now if Brock Lesner came to TNA and AJ pinned him, then that would defintely give AJ a nice rub.

I never said it would hurt anybody's credibility pertaining to Hardy vs AJ, but it would DO NOTHING for anyone

And you completely were ignorant to my post and actually tried to argue that I thought Hassan beating Batista would do nothing for Hassan. Hence the Ignorant part :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[PureHatred]

While AJ may hold more actual wins than Hardy, Hardy IS a bigger star, as the WWE is a bigger organazation than TNA. This was my point. If Hardy were brought in TNA and won some and was pushed into a feud with AJ and AJ won, how would that hurt his credibility? I rest my case.


I'm sure LC will point this out, but the only people who watch TNA are wrestling fans. Wrestling fans who watch the WWE. Wrestling fans who know that both Rhyno and Hardy have been glorified jobbers for much of the last few years.

They all know that AJ Styles is a much bigger star than either of them.

Don't get me wrong, Hardy is talented and he would be a good addition to their roster if they gave him a push, but he's not going to generate any mainstream interest or make the TNA guys more well known. He'll contribute; just not in that way.

[Kane Knight]

HAH! As if BDC and Hero's use of logic and reason were any match to olympic hitman's "Smiley Face Wall of DOOOOOOOM!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yeah, he jumps right from no selling logic to the "ignorance stunner."

[SuperSlim]

OK I got lost in here. so what is the argument in the thread now? OH threw me off with some idiotic logic

[olympic hitman]

Yeah, he jumps right from no selling logic to the "ignorance stunner."



Oh, that's right, Kane Knight is the almighty know-it-all of TPWW. He's never made a mistake before and never will....

When I said "you mean 'values' opinion instead of argues" I thought you meant arguing against your own, which was my bad, as I was kinda reading pretty fast and took it out of context, and of course, you've never done this before, so, moving right along :roll:


OK. I got lost in here. so what is the arguement in the thread now? OH threw me off with some idiotic logic

It's nice to see at least ONE person who thinks my opinion[not me personally] is "idiotic". But, you shouldn't reply unless you know WHAT you're replyin' about Slim. And I disagree. I have said NOTHING to make my logic seem anything resembling "idiotic". The arguement started out as why people weren't interested in TNA LockDown PPV[the next TNA PPV]. Then, somehow, your friend and ours, KK, took it off-topic by claiming I knew nothing[which was wrong]. I watch TNA and know the product as well as anyone else here.

And then we have the whole credibility issue; Certain people in here[Loose Cannon] have been arguing the credibility issue. I was saying if Rhyno or Matt Hardy came over to TNA and lost to some of their future stars[such as Monty Brown, AJ Styles, Petey Williams] that it would help establish them. Now, apparently, LC assumed that I meant Rhyno & Hardy would debut in TNA losing their matches[which would make NO sense at all]. I made the whole Hassan/Batista analogy for a reason; Hassan symbolizes AJ Styles; he has wins, but, isn't really established[even though he's been TNA Champ, he's virtually not as well-known as Hardy or Rhyno].

Batista; obviously symbolizes Rhyno or Hardy; Both have big wins over WWE's top stars. Example; Rhyno has beaten The Rock, Jericho,Benoit, etc. Hardy has beaten basically all major tag teams and most of the Cruiserweights[which would come in handy in TNA's X-Division] and even a match vs. Kane.

Thus, was the reason for me saying Rhyno or Hardy losing to TNA stars would help establish them even more and would also make them stars. Now, LC says that Hardy & Rhyno were jobbers in the latter part of their careers. That bears no actual relevance to my point here. If Hardy or Rhyno were beaten by TNA's future stars, it would establish them as being better than former WWE stars. The belief by most current wrestling fans is that the WWE product is better than TNA's. So, if a TNA star were to win over a former WWE star, it totally makes TNA look like the better product[in a way]. Look at Raven as an example; he was a jobber his whole WWE career. Yet, when a TNA star wins over Raven, it helps further their credibility, as Raven is widely respected as one of the best wrestlers of all-time. We all know Hardy & Rhyno are very-talented as well. So, all this stands to reason for my earlier statement. >RANT OVER<

[Loose Cannon]

Oh Boy!

Now, apparently, LC assumed that I meant Rhyno & Hardy would debut in TNA losing their matches[which would make NO sense at all

Thus, was the reason for me saying Rhyno or Hardy losing to TNA stars would help establish them even more and would also make them stars.

Look at your own statements before saying anything. Let's get a little consistency here.


LC says that Hardy & Rhyno were jobbers in the latter part of their careers. That bears no actual relevance to my point here. If Hardy or Rhyno were beaten by TNA's future stars, it would establish them as being better than former WWE stars.

Again, are Hardy and Rhyno losing or not?


The belief by most current wrestling fans is that the WWE product is better than TNA's. So, if a TNA star were to win over a former WWE star, it totally makes TNA look like the better product[in a way]. Look at Raven as an example; he was a jobber his whole WWE career. Yet, when a TNA star wins over Raven, it helps further their credibility, as Raven is widely respected as one of the best wrestlers of all-time. We all know Hardy & Rhyno are very-talented as well. So, all this stands to reason for my earlier statement. >RANT OVER<

LOL, you really believe Raven got someone over? You serious? Who? Who in TNA has been drawing a crowd and has been made into a superstar because of Raven? Raven being the best wrestlers of all-time is your opinion and I would heavily disagree

This is my favorite

Batista; obviously symbolizes Rhyno or Hardy; Both have big wins over WWE's top stars. Example; Rhyno has beaten The Rock, Jericho,Benoit, etc. Hardy has beaten basically all major tag teams and most of the Cruiserweights[which would come in handy in TNA's X-Division] and even a match vs. Kane.

Batista IS ACTUALLY A DRAW and Rhyno and Hardy were never and will never be.

AJ Styles symbolizes Christian because they both wear hoods, right?

I don't even remember Rhyno beating Jericho or Rock, so you think the casual fan is going too? And the wins were probably fluke wins, especially The Rock one. OOOO, Hardy has beaten tag teams and Crusierweights. Yea, he's sure to get someone over and establish them.

You job someone as much as Hardy and Rhyno jobbed during their final days, you cut their legs out from underneath them.

Case In Point: Taz, Mike Awesome, DDP, Booker T, Kane. Just to name a few

All these guys jobbed so much, whether it be in WWF or WCW, that their putting people over value greatly dropped and now they are not seen as guys that can establish anybody anymore. These guys could of helped make people, but jobbing them countless times hurt that.

[Kane Knight]

Oh, that's right, Kane Knight is the almighty know-it-all of TPWW. He's never made a mistake before and never will....
There he goes again, being ignorant.

Jumps right over my comments on the "know-it-all" nonsense, and tries to hit an ignorance stunner with "Oh, like you've never made a mistake."

Dude, you won't even admit to the myriad times you've fucked up. You seriously crack me up by pretending that the issue of me "thinking I'm perfect" is actually one that you can score points with.

It's also cute how easily offended you are. :D

[BloodRiotZero]

Could someone explain the "WWE is cyclical" philosophy to me. Personally I don't believe it...

[Jaded-Dragon]

Oh, that's right, Kane Knight is the almighty know-it-all of TPWW. He's never made a mistake before and never will....

When I said "you mean 'values' opinion instead of argues" I thought you meant arguing against your own, which was my bad, as I was kinda reading pretty fast and took it out of context, and of course, you've never done this before, so, moving right along :roll:




It's nice to see at least ONE person who thinks my opinion[not me personally] is "idiotic". But, you shouldn't reply unless you know WHAT you're replyin' about Slim. And I disagree. I have said NOTHING to make my logic seem anything resembling "idiotic". The arguement started out as why people weren't interested in TNA LockDown PPV[the next TNA PPV]. Then, somehow, your friend and ours, KK, took it off-topic by claiming I knew nothing[which was wrong]. I watch TNA and know the product as well as anyone else here.

And then we have the whole credibility issue; Certain people in here[Loose Cannon] have been arguing the credibility issue. I was saying if Rhyno or Matt Hardy came over to TNA and lost to some of their future stars[such as Monty Brown, AJ Styles, Petey Williams] that it would help establish them. Now, apparently, LC assumed that I meant Rhyno & Hardy would debut in TNA losing their matches[which would make NO sense at all]. I made the whole Hassan/Batista analogy for a reason; Hassan symbolizes AJ Styles; he has wins, but, isn't really established[even though he's been TNA Champ, he's virtually not as well-known as Hardy or Rhyno].

Batista; obviously symbolizes Rhyno or Hardy; Both have big wins over WWE's top stars. Example; Rhyno has beaten The Rock, Jericho,Benoit, etc. Hardy has beaten basically all major tag teams and most of the Cruiserweights[which would come in handy in TNA's X-Division] and even a match vs. Kane.

Thus, was the reason for me saying Rhyno or Hardy losing to TNA stars would help establish them even more and would also make them stars. Now, LC says that Hardy & Rhyno were jobbers in the latter part of their careers. That bears no actual relevance to my point here. If Hardy or Rhyno were beaten by TNA's future stars, it would establish them as being better than former WWE stars. The belief by most current wrestling fans is that the WWE product is better than TNA's. So, if a TNA star were to win over a former WWE star, it totally makes TNA look like the better product[in a way]. Look at Raven as an example; he was a jobber his whole WWE career. Yet, when a TNA star wins over Raven, it helps further their credibility, as Raven is widely respected as one of the best wrestlers of all-time. We all know Hardy & Rhyno are very-talented as well. So, all this stands to reason for my earlier statement. >RANT OVER<


Dude, just let it go. People that are getting on your case are not "Kane Clones". They are saying nearly the same thing because it seems that you just don't understand what you are doing. I kept my mouth shut in the other thread, but this shit is ridiculous. Nobody here is on your case because of your views on things, they are on your case because you repeatedly contradict your own views. Saying things like...

"If Triple H is using backstage politics, I don't support that"

To which someone then replies...

"It's obvious with the direction the show has been going, and Pat Patterson even quitting over it"

And then you say...

"Well, if you watch Raw it's obvious that he does use backstage politics to keep himself the champion"


This is why everyone is on your case. Do you not see what you just did there? You say you are skeptical on whether or not he uses back stage politics, then when someone calls you on it, you immediately change your view on things by stating it's obvious that he does it, and then proceed to try and say that you never said "IF", when you clearly did. That's why we have the magical quote button.

Just because someone tries to debate with you on your stance, does not mean you have to go back and try to change or cover up what you said to start. Defend your position with an intelligent post and people will respect it, even if they still call you a dumbass.

[Kane Knight]

You know, Olympic Hitman is very much like Triple H. Long, boring posts that could say the same thing in 1/5 the time. No wonder he's got such problems with the issue.

[olympic hitman]

Dude, just let it go. People that are getting on your case are not "Kane Clones". They are saying nearly the same thing because it seems that you just don't understand what you are doing. I kept my mouth shut in the other thread, but this shit is ridiculous. Nobody here is on your case because of your views on things, they are on your case because you repeatedly contradict your own views. Saying things like...

"If Triple H is using backstage politics, I don't support that"

To which someone then replies...

"It's obvious with the direction the show has been going, and Pat Patterson even quitting over it"

And then you say...

"Well, if you watch Raw it's obvious that he does use backstage politics to keep himself the champion"


This is why everyone is on your case. Do you not see what you just did there? You say you are skeptical on whether or not he uses back stage politics, then when someone calls you on it, you immediately change your view on things by stating it's obvious that he does it, and then proceed to try and say that you never said "IF", when you clearly did. That's why we have the magical quote button.

Just because someone tries to debate with you on your stance, does not mean you have to go back and try to change or cover up what you said to start. Defend your position with an intelligent post and people will respect it, even if they still call you a dumbass.



Wrong, once again. I have never contradicted myself;

What I have done is clarified & re-clarified my opinion on things, to the point where some think it's "contradictory".

Take the Triple H issue; I said "if Triple H used politics to stay on top, I wouldn't respect him", which indeed, I would not. Staying on top that way is neither ethical nor fair;

HOWEVER, I'm not blind. I do realize that Trips must use politics to stay on top over and over. The thing is, I'm not sure HOW MUCH of that politicking is to be credited FULLY to Triple H. It seems as though Vince & Steph have motives for keep Trips at the top. Now, my not being sure about how much blame belongs to Mr. Game may seem contradictory, but, it isn't. It is depth. I can't refuse to see obvious signs that Trips is a politician. I never came out and said "TRIPLE H IS NOT A POLITICIAN". Nowhere in my posts did I say he wasn't. I simply said I wouldn't respect him if he used politics, which is my view on it. This was an assumption made by Kane Knight solely and then was again assumed by everyone that followed to flame me[which is why I called them "clones", because they were following the same train of illogical thoughts for assuming a not said fact or statement]. I am very aware Triple H is involved with booking meetings as well as personal input on his character;

Which brings me to my "this is why Triple H takes up one-hour of a two-hour show" comment I made earlier. I said that because it is FACT. Anyone that watches RAW notices this immediately. It is the most obvious of any obvious statements you could make about pro wrestling today.

Bottom line is I WILL NOT admit being wrong, when clearly, Mr. Knight was the king of assumption. He assumed I had said Triple H wasn't a politician, when infact, I never actually said those exact words. Does anyone even BEGIN to see my point? Is it even vaguely gettin' clearer? I said I won't respect the guy for staying on top by politics, but, I never said he didn't use them.

Thank you, for replying so I could clarify ONCE AGAIN

[olympic hitman]

You know, Olympic Hitman is very much like Triple H. Long, boring posts that could say the same thing in 1/5 the time. No wonder he's got such problems with the issue.


Funny, how you berate me for "long boring" posts when you have seemingly devoted a week worth of posting, several LONG DRAWN out posts, and much more effort trying to make me look dumb, when, all I was tryin to do was give my opinion on a set topic.

It was you who was hell-bent on your mission to mess with Mr "fuckwitted" Olympic Hitman, as you referred to me as :roll:. Again, unimaginary and very telling of your character as a person. You don't know me, yet, call me 'fuckwitted'. And you can't blame my posting for me being 'fuckwitted' as basically every word I type were either fact[politics part] or opinion[well-backed up by the fact that McMahon is ALSO involved with the creative process]. Meanwhile, I've NEVER called you anything. That's simply out of respect for other people's views. Which again, you don't seem to reciprocate; which is fine. Just don't expect me NOT to point it out. The only reason I even bother replying back is to prove my point; you are the one who assumed, therefore, making you wrong. Had I been wrong, I'd have admitted it; as you did own me in the "Jesus" thread :). I let my opinion cloud my factual judgement and it bit me in the ass; well-done;

However, you bit off more than you could chew with me in the TNA arguement. I've watched TNA since it began airing on Fox Sports and even before that when it only aired on $9.95-a-week PPVs. So, I knew my facts,

And on the Triple H issue, I pretty much stated factual info and merged my personal opinion with it. Whilst this came off as "contradictory" to some, it made sense as a whole. My point and view=

Triple H-------

Politician-Yes
Good champ-Yes, in his time, but it has passed and is gettin old
Completely to blame-NOPE;which again was where KK made his assumption mistake and which was his entire defense against me, which made sense in NO Way.

[Kane Knight]

Damn. You're skilled. I envy your ability to insist you've never contradicted yourself, despite plenty of statements to the contrary. Your ability to ignore everything, to make things up on the spot and believe them despite the obvious lack of basis in reality is totally amazing.

If you put anything even remotely worth debating, people would debate it. But like Triple H, you've been saying the same stale thing over and over. Well, things, really, but pretty much everything you post backtracks on something else you said and trying desperately to come up with any way to retaliate.

Basically, you've cut the same promo over and over again, and there's no point in debating with you because you're too dense to get it. IT's not that the whole world is against you, it's that you make some really dumb points. You got called on them. Big deal. Grow up and get on with it. For someone who preached that I was childish, you certainly can't handle acting mature. :wtf:

[Kane Knight]

Completely to blame-NOPE;which again was where I made my assumption mistake and couldn't admit I was a dumbass for assuming, which made sense in NO Way.
Fixed it.

Stop claiming I was the one making an assumption. You put forth a statement that meant one thing, and then claimed it meant another. While it may have been a mistake, you intended to say something else, you didn't, and the mistake is yours. Either that, or you're backtracking, and the mistake is yours.

[James Steele]

All I have to say is this:

A) Shut up you ignorant ass.

B) +1

[James Steele]

C) +2

[Kane Knight]

D) There is no E.

[Kane Knight]

E) D is false.

[Bazooka]

Funny, how you berate me for "long boring" posts when you have seemingly devoted a week worth of posting, several LONG DRAWN out posts, and much more effort trying to make me look dumb, when, all I was tryin to do was give my opinion on a set topic.

It was you who was hell-bent on your mission to mess with Mr "fuckwitted" Olympic Hitman, as you referred to me as :roll:. Again, unimaginary and very telling of your character as a person. You don't know me, yet, call me 'fuckwitted'. And you can't blame my posting for me being 'fuckwitted' as basically every word I type were either fact[politics part] or opinion[well-backed up by the fact that McMahon is ALSO involved with the creative process]. Meanwhile, I've NEVER called you anything. That's simply out of respect for other people's views. Which again, you don't seem to reciprocate; which is fine. Just don't expect me NOT to point it out. The only reason I even bother replying back is to prove my point; you are the one who assumed, therefore, making you wrong. Had I been wrong, I'd have admitted it; as you did own me in the "Jesus" thread :). I let my opinion cloud my factual judgement and it bit me in the ass; well-done;

However, you bit off more than you could chew with me in the TNA arguement. I've watched TNA since it began airing on Fox Sports and even before that when it only aired on $9.95-a-week PPVs. So, I knew my facts,

And on the Triple H issue, I pretty much stated factual info and merged my personal opinion with it. Whilst this came off as "contradictory" to some, it made sense as a whole. My point and view=

Triple H-------

Politician-Yes
Good champ-Yes, in his time, but it has passed and is gettin old
Completely to blame-NOPE;which again was where KK made his assumption mistake and which was his entire defense against me, which made sense in NO Way.

Any argument over wrestling is an argument down the drain... unless it isn't taken serious.

I read one of your posts and that's enough, you should realize it too. All you're doing is making really long replies proving to noone any credence besides your own opinion, do something else.

[Kane Knight]

Could someone explain the "WWE is cyclical" philosophy to me. Personally I don't believe it...
I missed this earlier.

Do you mean explain it to you, or make an argument for its effectiveness? Because if you don't believe it, that sounds like you already know OF it, you just don't know WHY people buy it.

[olympic hitman]

Fixed it.

Stop claiming I was the one making an assumption. You put forth a statement that meant one thing, and then claimed it meant another. While it may have been a mistake, you intended to say something else, you didn't, and the mistake is yours. Either that, or you're backtracking, and the mistake is yours.



It's utterly pathetic how far you've sunk. First, you said I'm wrong[when you ASSUMED I said Triple H wasn't a politician]. Then, you say I'm back-tracking to cover myself;

Go back to post one of the Triple H post [injury neck post]. Then, look at my VERY FIRST reply. Notice that not only have I been saying the same things, I NEVER said "Triple H doesn't use politics" or did I say directly "Triple H has NEVER used politics". Saying something along those lines WOULD be wrong. I said Triple H was BY FAR the best, which he is now. He's a ten-time World Champ. Who else on RAW can even come close? NO ONE. That was my point in post one. That Triple H is a good wrestler and that he's not ENTIRELY to blame for his situation.....

This is when you came in a threw your "hissyfit" about how I was "fuckwitted" and knew nothing, when, obviously, YOU had done the assuming.

You say I said one thing and meant another; How do you know that? Is the great Kane Knight now able to read minds? Or is that a defense mechanism for knowing you've been owned and told as it is. Like I said; I have NO problem admitting when I'm wrong, as I'm not perfect. I just pisses me off the way Kane Knight masquerades around TPWW as the know-it-all and wants to shut this newbie up, when, apparently, he can't follow his OWN trail of ASSUMPTIONS & FLAMING, which have been your trademarks throughout this entire ordeal;

And to James Steele; Chill, bro. If you get any further on Knight's side about telling me to "stf up", then, you could be removed from his ass with a welding torch.......

Think what you want of me, but, I'm not going away and WILL NOT shut up. People accuse me of being illogical? Hardly. My arguements have been rather well-thought out and in-depth to the point that it is scary. Yet, since we have mindless anti-Triple H zombies on a rumor message board, they refuse to even accept a difference of views. Well, it's not my fault you hate the guy. Don't be ignorant and base personal opinion of the guy with fact.

If anything, I've fully backed up my logic about Trips with FACT. It's a FACT that he's a top star. FACT; he's a politician. FACT; Vince is to blame for either;

A]Listening to HHH's politicking or
B]Not listening to the truth

Whatever the case may be, it still stands that HHH cannot be blamed for it all. That was my point, still is, and will be until we have concrete proof of otherwise.....

[Shadow]

It's utterly pathetic how far you've sunk. First, you said I'm wrong[when you ASSUMED I said Triple H wasn't a politician]. Then, you say I'm back-tracking to cover myself;

Go back to post one of the Triple H post [injury neck post]. Then, look at my VERY FIRST reply. Notice that not only have I been saying the same things, I NEVER said "Triple H doesn't use politics" or did I say directly "Triple H has NEVER used politics". Saying something along those lines WOULD be wrong. I said Triple H was BY FAR the best, which he is now. He's a ten-time World Champ. Who else on RAW can even come close? NO ONE. That was my point in post one. That Triple H is a good wrestler and that he's not ENTIRELY to blame for his situation.....

This is when you came in a threw your "hissyfit" about how I was "fuckwitted" and knew nothing, when, obviously, YOU had done the assuming.

You say I said one thing and meant another; How do you know that? Is the great Kane Knight now able to read minds? Or is that a defense mechanism for knowing you've been owned and told as it is. Like I said; I have NO problem admitting when I'm wrong, as I'm not perfect. I just pisses me off the way Kane Knight masquerades around TPWW as the know-it-all and wants to shut this newbie up, when, apparently, he can't follow his OWN trail of ASSUMPTIONS & FLAMING, which have been your trademarks throughout this entire ordeal;

And to James Steele; Chill, bro. If you get any further on Knight's side about telling me to "stf up", then, you could be removed from his ass with a welding torch.......

Think what you want of me, but, I'm not going away and WILL NOT shut up. People accuse me of being illogical? Hardly. My arguements have been rather well-thought out and in-depth to the point that it is scary. Yet, since we have mindless anti-Triple H zombies on a rumor message board, they refuse to even accept a difference of views. Well, it's not my fault you hate the guy. Don't be ignorant and base personal opinion of the guy with fact.

If anything, I've fully backed up my logic about Trips with FACT. It's a FACT that he's a top star. FACT; he's a politician. FACT; Vince is to blame for either;

A]Listening to HHH's politicking or
B]Not listening to the truth

Whatever the case may be, it still stands that HHH cannot be blamed for it all. That was my point, still is, and will be until we have concrete proof of otherwise.....

I didn't know they let HHH on the internet.

Seriouslly dude, give it up. You've painted yourself right into a corner. It's been amusing to watch you squirm but now I'm bored. Begone foul knave, lest I let loose the dogs of war and cry Wolfsbane.

Rep for people who think they know what I'm talking 'bout.

[PureHatred]

I didn't know they let HHH on the internet.

Seriouslly dude, give it up. You've painted yourself right into a corner. It's been amusing to watch you squirm but now I'm bored. Begone foul knave, lest I let loose the dogs of war and cry Wolfsbane.

Rep for people who think they know what I'm talking 'bout.

At first, I just thought you played at ebing a stoner. But that was clearly the most stoned statement I've ever read. I won't even pretend to think you know what you're talking about, except you just might think you're King Arthur.

:y:

[Amaroqwolf]

Okay, don't post much here, I come and read to find out stuff I don't normally have access to. Well, normally shouldn't be the word. I don't come here to attempt to read a post by some IDIOT who knows shit about wrestling and constently contradicts himself and just can't give up when he's been beaten. OVER AND OVER AGAIN...So, hey I'm about to get my gun hunt down Olympic Hitman and kill his lame ass. So I don't ever have to read another one of his Lame ass Posts, again!

[Kane Knight]

Okay, don't post much here, I come and read to find out stuff I don't normally have access to. Well, normally shouldn't be the word. I don't come here to attempt to read a post by some IDIOT who knows shit about wrestling and constently contradicts himself and just can't give up when he's been beaten. OVER AND OVER AGAIN...So, hey I'm about to get my gun hunt down Olympic Hitman and kill his lame ass. So I don't ever have to read another one of his Lame ass Posts, again!
Watch out. You're about to become a Kane Knight Klone. ;)

[Loose Cannon]

Olympic Hitman :nono:

[Kane Knight]

Lose Cannon, could you make him a mod?

Coz then he could finally edit everyone else so they're sayinf what he claims they're saying.

[Kane Knight]

Oops. I made a typo. Can't wait for Hitman to jump on that like a fat girl on a twinkie.

[Amaroqwolf]

Watch out. You're about to become a Kane Knight Klone. ;)

Wouldn't want that now would we? haha. Making him a mod..then he'd always be right, oh wait isn't he always right because were all putting words in his mouth and twisting what he's truely saying to fit our own means?

[Kane Knight]

Wouldn't want that now would we? haha. Making him a mod..then he'd always be right, oh wait isn't he always right because were all putting words in his mouth and twisting what he's truely saying to fit our own means?
That second one. :D

[James Steele]

Olympic Hitman made me just piss myself, HELP ME KANE KNIGHT...HELP ME!


Oh and STF Up!

[James Steele]

you ignorant ass.

[olympic hitman]

you ignorant ass.



This is becoming rapidly ridiculous and awfully idiotic at about the same time;

So, let me make it simply by asking an EASY question;

HOW HAVE I ONCE CONTRADICTED MYSELF?

I have clarified my view on point-after-point and all I get in return is flaming and not a reply, so, how did I contradict myself?

I have backed EVERY SINGLE thing I EVER said up and haven't changed on it. While I did have to point out the obvious depth of my opinion, I never once changed anything I said[since most assumed that I said Trips wasn't a politician when I said " I wouldn't respect him if he used them to stay on top", which was a broad statement. It NEVER meant I didn't believe Trips didn't use politics, big DIFFERENCE :D ]. In my initial HHH post I said he was a good wrestler, that I wouldn't respect him if he did use politics. I then said it was obvious that because of his LONG title reigns and the focus of RAW being on him, it was OBVIOUS that he was somehow involved in them;

To what degree, I dunno and don't care; I've yet to get a concrete answer on how I EVER contradicted myself[the only thing I've seen is incoherrent rambling by KK and flaming to make himself feel better about the fact that he ASSUMED a not said fact. He's been backtracking ever since and it simply AMAZES me that everyone else cannot see my side and automatically assume that KK is right].

Oh well, further proves that posters around TPWW have no honor[at least not the ones who flamed, I have encountered some intelligent posters, that haven't yet flamed me; although the number gets smaller as the countless zombies follow KK's logic and take his side].

Bottom line; show me I'm wrong and I'll admit it; if not, stop assuming and admit you ASSUMED that I said "Triple H NEVER used politics[which again I NEVER said]. Go back and look at your 2 or 3 reply after I said it was obvious Trips uses politics to stay on top. In that post alone, you proved my point; which was that you ASSUMED that I said Triple H wasn't a "politician". I simply said he was a good wrestler and I wouldn't respect him if he were FULLY to blame for his politicking[which again, I said before Vince seems to have motives for keeping Gamester on top].

[Jaded-Dragon]

Definitions of contradiction on the Web:

opposition between two conflicting forces or ideas
(logic) a statement that is necessarily false; "the statement `he is brave and he is not brave' is a contradiction"
the speech act of contradicting someone; "he spoke as if he thought his claims were immune to contradiction"
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

Broadly speaking, a contradiction is when two or more statements, ideas, or actions are seen as incompatible. One must, it seems, reject at least one of the ideas outright.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contradiction

a conjunction of a proposition and its negation, which, according to the principle of non-contradiction, cannot be true. Aristotle pointed out the dangers of accepting contradictions. Except in some specially designed logics, anything can follow from a contradiction.
www.filosofia.net/materiales/rec/glosaen.htm

refers to the opposition between two propositions which cannot both be false together and cannot both be true together. ( Study 2)
www2.sjsu.edu/faculty/carranza/glossary.htm

A contradiction occurs when one asserts two mutually exclusive propositions, such as, "Abortion is wrong and abortion is not wrong." Since a claim and its contradictory cannot both be true, one of them must be false. Few people will assert an outright contradiction, but one may fall into an inconsistency. Counterexample
www.philosophy.uncc.edu/mleldrid/logic/logiglos.html

A contradiction is committed whenever propositions that deny one another (contradictory propositions) are both held to be true or both held to be false. Eg, accepting both that "Robins are red" and "Robins are not red" as true is a contradiction.
info1.nwmissouri.edu/~rfield/gloss.html

Two sentences, A and B, are contradictory = A and B cannot both be true, whenever A is true, B is false and vice versa; a situation describable by A cannot be describable by B the conjunction of A and B can never be true there is no situation that can be describable by the conjunction of A and B What are some problems with these proposed definitions?
www.hum.utah.edu/~phanna/classes/ling5030/webpostings/definitionschapter1/definitionschapter1.html



There's many definitions of contradiction. It has been pointed out numerous times how you have done this. If you still can't see it, than I can't help you anymore.

I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

[Kane Knight]

This is becoming rapidly ridiculous and awfully idiotic at about the same time;

So, let me make it simply by asking an EASY question;

HOW HAVE I ONCE CONTRADICTED MYSELF?
Every time someone shows you, you play the ostrich game

[PureHatred]

Seriously, how did the Triple H discussion end up in this thread? It's as if olympic hitman is spreading like some sort of cancer.

[Kane Knight]

There's many definitions of contradiction. It has been pointed out numerous times how you have done this. If you still can't see it, than I can't help you anymore.

I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
YES! Another Kane Knight Klone is born!

[Shadow]

At first, I just thought you played at ebing a stoner. But that was clearly the most stoned statement I've ever read. I won't even pretend to think you know what you're talking about, except you just might think you're King Arthur.

:y:

Wrong.

[Kane Knight]

Fuck that shit. I'M KING ARTHUR.

[Jaded-Dragon]

YES! Another Kane Knight Klone is born!

Yeah, I did kind of pull a KK on the whole definition thing. But, if it helps our dimwitted friend understand what he has been doing, then it's all worth it. Of course by doing this, he has full right to call me a Kane Klone :-\

[MVP]

As soon as I saw this thread made it to 2 pages I knew some dumbass newbie was probably spamming.

[PureHatred]

Seriously, how did the Triple H discussion end up in this thread? It's as if olympic hitman is spreading like some sort of cancer.

Damn it, I want an answer on this. Its like he transferred all his stupid into one thread. He deflected one stupid argument by distracting us all with his other stupid argument.

He's a crafty one, this olympic hitman.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, I did kind of pull a KK on the whole definition thing. But, if it helps our dimwitted friend understand what he has been doing, then it's all worth it. Of course by doing this, he has full right to call me a Kane Klone :-\
To be fair, I'm not the first nor the last person to do it on the net.

Though if you want to be my Klone...

[Kane Knight]

Damn it, I want an answer on this. Its like he transferred all his stupid into one thread. He deflected one stupid argument by distracting us all with his other stupid argument.

He's a crafty one, this olympic hitman.
So instead of getting pwnd in an argument that he had some grounds on, he diverts to being pwnd in a baseless argument.

Ouch. hardly a step up.

Apologies if I spelled pwnd wrong.

[Jaded-Dragon]

Seriously, how did the Triple H discussion end up in this thread? It's as if olympic hitman is spreading like some sort of cancer.

Partially my fault. You see, our friend here, olympic hitman, was repeatedly contradicting his own statements in this thread. Someone (I think it was LC) pointed out that he had repeatedly done the same thing in another thread. I then proceeded to try and help out our young friend by showing him what he had done in the Triple H thread, since he went on saying that he had never contradicting himself in that thread either.


And here we are today... Happy, healthy, and needing a cigarette.

[Kane Knight]

Partially my fault. You see, our friend here, olympic hitman, was repeatedly contradicting his own statements in this thread. Someone (I think it was LC) pointed out that he had repeatedly done the same thing in another thread. I then proceeded to try and help out our young friend by showing him what he had done in the Triple H thread, since he went on saying that he had never contradicting himself in that thread either.


And here we are today... Happy, healthy, and needing a cigarette.
And about 900 doses of Prozac.