E3 2005

[DS]

With Sony's conference just about and hour away, I thought it would be a good time to start this thread. Although Microsoft has announced the Xbox 360, Sony and Nintendo are both expected to announce their next generation systems at the expo. With a lesser possibilty on the latter, that is.

[The Cerebral Assassin]

I'm thinking about going to E3, yet I'm not registered, nor am I qualified to. My only qualification is that I am over 18.

Who should I bribe and how much bribe money should I offer to get unrestricted floor access for the entire week?

If that fails, how many security guards do I need to knock out to get in and how many do I need to knock out inside to ensure that I get a few hours of peace on the show floor?

[AareDub]

engadget.com and joystiq.com are doing live updates of the Sony conference.

[G]

So when is Nintendo up.

[DS]

Tomorrow. Microsoft is doing their conference tonight and will probably try and hit on more Xbox 360 videos and everything but unless they show Halo 3 footage, I think it won't be that eventful.

[DS]

After watching the demos they showed for the PS3, it's hard to put into words how realistic these things look sometimes. There are times that it looks just like a movie and then some very nice graphics thrown in. By that I mean you can tell some things are generated but the others look real. They showed a demo of a gas station exploding to show off the lighting and physics. (Please note that it is an actual game in development) The setting looked picture perfect. Couldn't tell at all that it was made with any computer. The explosion was amazing looking but you could tell it was generated. I'll take a picture to show you what I mean.

[FearedSanctity]

And the amazing thing is most of those demos only came from a few months of development. Imagine what they'll be able to do in a year or so from now.

[DS]

Yeah it's amazing. The UnrealEngine 3 demo was only 2 months of development. It looked brilliant.

[DS]

There is this game called Motor Storm. Every single frame in that game looked real. Every movement, particle, scenery, everything about it.

[AareDub]

Gametrailers.com has a video of Fight Night that was shown at the conference. In the forums they also have the Killzone 2 trailer. Gamespot has the FFVII intro tech demo thing, but its pretty low res (I'm assuming there's a high res version if you subscribe).

[DS]

Here's a pretty small picture but it's the best I could get from the stream without it looking like crap.

[Splaya]

What do you think they will announce about the Final Fantasy series at E3 this year?

[DS]

Probably more on XII. They announced that Final Fantasy XI was going to the Xbox 360 so I guess that too.

Also, here is some quick (small) pictures from that Motor Storm. The first two are a before and after of a motocyclist crashing into a building, hard to see from the pictures but amazing to watch on video, and the last is the ending to the trailer.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/PhyxsiusEnt/moto.jpg

[Splaya]

Holy shit, new final Fantasy 7 Adven Children trailer



http://media.psp.ign.com/media/608/608155/vids_1.html

[Splaya]

OH MY FUCKING GOD, THEY ARE MAKING A GAME ABOUT THE SHOW 24

[AareDub]

Here we go, IGN shots of the Motor Storm game...

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614797/motorstorm-20050516073449374.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614797/motorstorm-20050516073451233.jpg

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614797/motorstorm-20050516073453186.jpg

Oh, and here's one of Jin from the next Tekken..

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614753/tekken-next-20050516080618078.jpg

[DS]

You really have to see it in motion to appreciate it.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Xbox is backward compatible but only "Top titles" supported through emulation... damn, that might hit them hard

[Drakul]

I saw the spider man demo thing,the doc ock demo and the tech demo but the "Final Fantasy VII PS3 Real-Time Video" won't work for me.:'(

[TheNamelessOne]

Alright then on the Final Fantasy front :

A new trailer of Final Fantasy XII has been shown. Pretty hot so far.
EDIT: Find it hynah, hynah and hynah.
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfantasy12/index.html?q=final+fantasy+XII

A new trailer of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children was also shown. Lots of new footage, its subtitled so you understand what they are saying and also theres a new version of "One Winged Angel" that plays in the background.

EDIT: Good quality version of new trailer:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=5828&type=mov
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=5828&type=wmv
Heh. You can get it from IGN too, but who the fuck wants to pay? You can download it from there as well.

There was also a Final Fantasy VII PS3 Tech Demo, which is apparently meant to show what FF7 would look like on the PS3. Fucking amazing. Oh Square Enix...why must you tease us with a remake?
EDIT: Link to this as well:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/finalfantasyvii/index.html

Also, the video of "The Movies" that was shown was also awesome. And funny as hell.

[TheNamelessOne]

Also some new info about FF7: Crisis Core has been posted on IGN and Gamespot. Square showed a concept animation of it at a conference.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/614/614900p1.html
http://www.gamespot.com/psp/rpg/crisiscorefinalfantasyvii/preview_6124931.html

Anyway ill just post any random Final Fantasy stuff that pops up because im hyped for every Final Fantasy title that Square Enix are supposed to show off this week.

[King Jericho]

With Sony's and Microsoft's offerings both being similar looking in ways, in a usual Nintendo swerve, I'm seeing there next console being somewhat different, stepping up to it's 'Revolution' moniker at least.

Both the PS3 and X-Box 360 have mad ugly controllers, can't wait to see Nintendo's new one.

[King Jericho]

Mad exciting timessssssSSSsssss.

[TheNamelessOne]

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/games/2005-05-17-revolution_x.htm?POE=TECISVA

Theres the Revolution for you.

I suggest waiting until Nintendos conferance for more info and pictures though.

[King Jericho]

Yeah totally, Nintendo conference tomorrow. I'm not interested in anything else, only the Nintendo console will have my attention. :cool:

[Tornado]

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/games/2005-05-17-revolution_x.htm?POE=TECISVA

Theres the Revolution for you.

I suggest waiting until Nintendos conferance for more info and pictures though.
Theres some hi-res pictures of the Revolution over at IGN....:drool:

[Ninti the Mad]

OMG FINAL FIGHT IS BACK

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/614/614242p1.html

[PapaGeorgio]

For those of you intrested in watching the actual confrences you can see them here. http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html As of right now Playstations and Xboxs are up. Nintendo should be up in a few hours. I watching both Playstations and Xboxs confrence. Playstation one is more details and semi-boring. Focusing more on specs and stuff. Xbox was made to keep you intrested while you watch. I liked how Playstation did theres though, although I wasn't that intrested in the specs it showed more what it can do with examples. Xbox was more, we are going to have a lot of games on Xbox 360 lets show one example. Didn't focus as much on the system as Playstation did.

[King Jericho]

[NINTENDO E3 CONFERENCE NOTES - SPOILER WARNING]

This is only a few points I've gathered from the Nintendo Conference, nothing of huge detail, just a quick recap.


Gamecube:
New Games include:
RPG Style Pokemon
Mario Party 7
Mario Baseball
Mario Soccor (Called Mario 'something' Strikers)
Mario Dance Mat kinda game
Loads more, around 60 new titles to come out on GC by the end of next year

No News on Mario 128 though.

The NEW Legend of Zelda Game (For which there was an awesome new trailer at the end of the conference) will be titled 'Twlight Princess'

DS
A lot of stuff about the DS WiFi, DS players will be able to play each other via Hotspots across the world.

Mario Kart DS and Animal Crossing DS are on the way, which will both heavily support the DS WiFi technology.

An impressive piece of DS software/game was shown, titled 'ElectoPlankton' which uses mainly music and sound.

Lots more stuff.

Game Boy Micro
NOT a new piece of Hardware and not a successor to the GB/GBA or the DS. Basically its a Mini Game Boy which can play every GBA game.

The covers are interchangable.

Revolution
Backwards compatible with Gamecube games, via the same disc drive as the DVD style Revolution games. You'll be able to download NES, SNES and N64 games via the Internet using a Revolution.

Wireless Controllers, though there was no controller designs shown (Which still keeps my hopes up for an awesome totally Revolutionary controller).

About the size of 3 DVD cases stacked together (As I'm sure is already known).

The Design isn't finished yet, as is the colour of the console, which Iwata said could be decided by us, the gaming public.

Shigsy is working on a new Game/Character for the Revolution, as well as development for release title games from the likes of Super Smash Brothers.

Some other stuff lol.

Thats just from memory and the stuff that stuck in my head.

Nintendo 4 Life. :love:

[Shadow]

Whao...the Nintendo stuff just sounds awsome. And here I was thinking that Nintendo had just one good consol left in them. If their new one rocks like I'm hoping it will, Nintendo might just kick Sony and Microsoft's asses.

[Shaggy]

Holy crap at that Revolution news..... Due to what Xbox said im now anticipating Revolution more than 360

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I love Xbox so much, but as of now, I'm less concerned about it than the other two.

PS3 REALLY has my attention (love the console, love the controller), and it looks like Nintendo might be stepping up.

[Xero]

I'm probably going to skip the X Box this generation and only get the Revolution and PS3. PS3 first, though, right around launch. You can't go wrong with GTA. :y:

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Alright then on the Final Fantasy front :

A new trailer of Final Fantasy XII has been shown. Pretty hot so far.
EDIT: Find it hynah, hynah and hynah.
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfantasy12/index.html?q=final+fantasy+XII

A new trailer of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children was also shown. Lots of new footage, its subtitled so you understand what they are saying and also theres a new version of "One Winged Angel" that plays in the background.

EDIT: Good quality version of new trailer:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=5828&type=mov
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=5828&type=wmv
Heh. You can get it from IGN too, but who the fuck wants to pay? You can download it from there as well.

There was also a Final Fantasy VII PS3 Tech Demo, which is apparently meant to show what FF7 would look like on the PS3. Fucking amazing. Oh Square Enix...why must you tease us with a remake?
EDIT: Link to this as well:
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/finalfantasyvii/index.html

Also, the video of "The Movies" that was shown was also awesome. And funny as hell.

Even with cable here, it's taking forever to download, but my god...

What I've seen. :drool:

And One Winged Angel took the cake for me.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Right, I'm sold on revolution. Super Smash Brothers Online as a launch title? Thats my 2006 made never mind a fucking console

[Jonster]

The revolution is looking awesome, and the PS3 demos are amazing, the GT5, Motor Storm, and the tech demo's were all really impressive.

The 360 is falling behind in graphics from what I've seen so far, but I still want it for Live play.

I'm still trying to make my way through footage and things, can't belive a new Tekken has been announced already though.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

:drool::drool::drool:

Better open a savings account...

[TheNamelessOne]

Even with cable here, it's taking forever to download, but my god...

What I've seen. :drool:

And One Winged Angel took the cake for me.
If I can find a better website to get it from, ill post it here. I had trouble downloading it earlier, but at least you can for free from that site.

EDIT: Done and done.

http://files.filefront.com/FFVII_AC_new_trailer_E3_2005_Hi_Quality/;3853808;;/fileinfo.html

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Whoa wait, will the older Nintendo games be online compatible???

No Mercy online :drool::drool::drool:

[DS]

No. Only games that make it with online. So basically everything they make from now on.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Apparently Revolution is going to be smaller than what was shown :eek:

Taken from cube.ign.com:

"Iwata takes tage. Introduces Revolution. Holds up the tiny, Mac Mini-sized unit. Crowd cheers. Says it's the smallest console Nintendo has ever manufactured. Says the final machine will be even smaller than the concept unit he's holding. Can stand horizontally or vertically. Revolution will play 12cm (DVD) discs (and GameCube software, too). Added attachment can be used to play movies and other DVD content. Machine has 512 MB of onboard flash memory for data storage. "


The rest of the article:

The following is a play-by-play live report from the conference.

9:30 am: Kodak Theatre, fifth floor, Ball Room. Nintendo's annual E3 conference is about to start. The house is packed full. Many people could not score seats and are standing at every side of the auditorium.

9:37 am: Still nothing. Nintendo is fashionably late.

9:40 am: The fire marshall is not happy. The start of the conference is delayed until the most flammable Nintendo fans are moved out of the way.

9:45 am: Lights dim. The crowd claps. A Nintendo intro video appears on screen. Reggie voiceover remix: "We remain all about the games. My name is Reggie, we're about kicking ass."

9:50 am: Iwata takes stage. Says he's about playing games. "Who's your daddy," he asks. A video plays.

9:51 am: Footage of DS games. Footage of Geist, ElectroPlankton, Nintendogs, Mario Kart, Zelda, Killer 7, Viewtiful Joe DS, Madden, Batallion Wars. The crowd cheers. The video ends.

9:54 am: The crowd cheers and Reggie takes the stage. "We at Nintendo continue to explore the videogames," he says. Promises information about new gameplay on Nintendo DS and promises solid information on Nintendo Revolution.

9:55 am: Reggie jokes about console specs for 360 -- offers another number: "2." As in "2 billion games sold by Nintendo." Says it's just the beginning. "Nintendo is not an 'or' company. Nintendo is an 'and' company." Talks about how Nintendo is about "change" -- and how more change is on the way. "We exist for the love the game." Reggie promises a new dimension of gameplay on DS.

9:56 am: "Today, you will begin to understand how our Revolution is preparing to storm the gates." Says Nintendo created the game space and "we're not moving out." He then compares the Game Boy Advance to PS2 in sales -- GBA has sold more than 28 million units in the US, even though it launched eight months later. Global sell-through for DS is 5 million -- twice that of PSP. 9:59 am: Hollands still likes it. Takes the stage to demonstrate some music tracks. He composed entire tracks from the unit. Sound demo appears to use sounds from synthesizers, however (the bass is too heavy for a DS demo).

10:01 am: Reggie returns. Says Nintendo didn't invent the concept of online gaming. But they intend to reinvent it. Reggie says Nintendo partnered with IGN Entertainment's GameSpy division to provide wireless online play -- uses hot spots around the world. "Simple and intuitive." Believes 90% of DS owners will be online. the service will be free, outside the house via hotspots and free inside your house. "Users won't face monthly gameplay bills." Reggie says Nintendo is working to overcome the current "macho style of online games."

10:04 am: "Around the world, 25 publishers are working on DS wireless games including all the big players. Mario Kart DS and Animal Crossing wireless internet by end of year -- Tony Hawk game, too. Mario Kart will be demoed on the showfloor wirelessly.

10:06 am: Nintendogs is up next. Taught the Japanese game world to sit up and take notice, with 400,000 copies sold in Japan in a month. DS was the bestseller in Japan for the launch period, outselling PSP by a factor of 3. Tina Wood from G4 takes the stage to demonstrate Nintendogs. She's got a pug named Mia. Tells the dog to say "hi" and dog moves mouth. Says "lay down" and dog lays down. Says "new Zelda" thee times and dog shows no reaction. Oops. A little Mario Kart is driving around the virtual room and the dog follows it. Then Tina gives the dog a bath and demonstrates "bark mode."

10:11 am: Tina uses wireless technology to search for a friend for to play with. System searches. We hear a bark. Bill Trinen's dog Mario comes into play.

10:12 am: Shigeru Miyamoto takes the stage. Applause. Miyamoto and Wood converse in English (she's his number 1 fan, etc.), Miyamoto's dog does a handstand in the game and then mount's Tina's dog. Laughter. Miyamoto asks: "Would you like me to show you a few more tricks?" She says yes. He replies: "Then please follow me backstage." Laughter.

10:14 am: Reggie shows the Game Boy Micro. Says "I know you haven't seen this. It's a hair bigger and two-thirds the weight of an iPod Mini." It's not new technology, but a new look and has the "best and brightest screen ever in a handheld." Not a successor to DS or GBA, but an extension of portable play. The system can be customized with a wide array of face plates and will hit this fall.

10:15 am: Reggie says games are the most important thing. Montage of video footage plays. Fire Emblem, Yoshi Topsy Turvy, Pokemon Emerald, Nintendogs, Mega Man Battle Network 5, Mario Kart DS, Need for Speed DS, Pac'n Roll, Trace Memory. Phoenix Wright, GoldenEye, Mario and Luigi 2, Advance Wars Dual Strike, Spyro, Kirby Kanvas Curse, Meteos, New Super Mario Bros., Castlevania, Trauma Center, Viewtiful Joe DS. End of montage. Iwata is back on stage.

9:18 am: Iwata takes tage. Introduces Revolution. Holds up the tiny, Mac Mini-sized unit. Crowd cheers. Says it's the smallest console Nintendo has ever manufactured. Says the final machine will be even smaller than the concept unit he's holding. Can stand horizontally or vertically. Revolution will play 12cm (DVD) discs (and GameCube software, too). Added attachment can be used to play movies and other DVD content. Machine has 512 MB of onboard flash memory for data storage.

9:20 am: "When you turn on Revolution and see the graphics, you will say 'wow!'" "Our competitors have detailed the power of their core processor and display. But the advantages of our technology will also have no bearing on gameplay. I know, this is one of those mysterious comments," he says. Says wifi will be built into every Nintendo product so controller, TV, console, and internet can interact. Nintendo intends to develop a device that's functional and appealing to every member in the household -- whether gamers or not. All controllers will be wireless. Also, the controllers will be very unique "in ways we will share with you... later." Already working on several wifi games for launch. Smash Bros. will be launch game -- wifi.

9:24 am: For Revolution, "Miyamoto is challenging his teams to create something new." His new creation will debut with Revolution. Big franchises will of course be there -- including new versions of Mario and Zelda. Short (pre-rendered) Metroid Prime 3 clip showing Samus standing in front of her redesigned spaceship. "We expect strong third-party support in both hemisphere." For example, Square Enix is already working on Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicle for Revolution.

9:27 am: Iwata: Convinced game development on Revolution will be easier and far less costly than for other machines. "Big idea can prevail over big budget." Revolution is a solution to help maximize creative freedom. Iwata then talks about backward compatibility. "Redefining term of backward compatability." It's a virtual console, able to download 20 years of Nintendo content. You will be able to Download NES, Super NES and N64 games. You can get every Nintendo game ever made. "Revolution shares a vision with DS. The machine is just a tool for software."

9:30 am: Next year, Revolution will fully serve core gamers. "We will attract casual gamers using consumer friendly content control and internet. And we will even draw non-gamers to our Revolution showing them how much fun there is and what we all do already. We call this 'all-access gaming.'" Iwata concludes by saying gamers touch his heart when they pick up the controller and enjoy the games.

9:32 am: George Harrison takes stage to talk about GameCube. System has sold 10 million units in America alone. There are 60 new titles on the way in 2005. There will be 400 games in total.

9:33 am: Batallion Wars: save the world by clearing over 20 missions in a combination of action and RTS. Gameplay clip plays.

9:34 am: Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness. It's a full-fledged RPG with a dark and sinister plot. "Pokemon is serious business." Emerald and other GBA titles will move to the big screen when XD launches in October. A quick Killer 7 clip plays.

9:35 am: Harrison introduces new Mario titles: Super Mario Strikers, Mario Baseball, Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix (big cheers), and Mario Party 7. Montage shows Fire Emblem, Geist, Killer 7, Pokemon XD, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Donkey Konga 2, Incredible Hulk 2, Madagascar, Madden NFL 06, One Piece, Scooby Doo, Spartan, Mario Mix, Mario Party 7, Strikers , Mario Party, WWE Day of Reckoning 2, Harvest Moon, Nintendo Pennant Chase Baseball, Shadow the Hedgehog, Midway Arcade, Medal of Honor.

9:38 am: "Of course we have saved the best for last. Today, prepare to see Link as you've never seen him before." Zelda trailer plays. Lights are flashing in the audience to simulate lightning flashes in the trailer. And yes, Link turns into a wolf in the trailer. Crowd goes wild.

9:41 am: Reggie is back on stage. Welcomes producer and director Eiji Aonuma. "Since you like the trailer, I have a present for you." Pulls Zelda video compressed on a DS cartridge out of a sleeve, goes "dadadadaaaa!" (Zelda chime.)

9:44 am: Reggie says good bye: "Be prepared to let your right brain run wild."

End of conference.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

BTW, the new Zelda trailer is FUCKING AMAZING :drool:

[DS]

I really dislike Nintendo conferences. This one wasn't an exception. It was nice to see the Revolution but all they had was footage for the Gamecube and basically the exact same speech they did last year. The worst part of the conferences is the attacks at other companies.

I was expecting a lot more from Nintendo and I don't know why. Until they actually show some stuff working on it, I'm not sold at all. Will probably end up skipping this one. :-\

[Mr. Monday Morning]

No. Only games that make it with online. So basically everything they make from now on.

You'd think it wouldn't be that difficult. I mean you can do it now over an emulator so why not just include it as a bonus in this state of the art (supposedly) gaming machine? :meh:

[Shaggy]

So Link can turn into a F'n Wolf????? :WTF:

Well the trailer looks good atleast all but the wolf thing but who knows. Perhaps they can pull it off. Im just happy to have another zelda game.

***Goes and begins to play Windwaker again***

[Xero]

So Link can turn into a F'n Wolf????? :WTF:

Well the trailer looks good atleast all but the wolf thing but who knows. Perhaps they can pull it off. Im just happy to have another zelda game.

***Goes and begins to play Windwaker again***
I'm just hoping that it's not the meat of the game. It worried me when he turned into the wolf. I hope it's still shield/sword/boomerang action with the wolf thing thrown in for a part of the story.

However, something that big has got to be the meat of the game. :(

[Shaggy]

Right now im watching the coverage on G4 and they made a point that I wanted to make but I just wasnt sure of it yet....

They said that Xbox 360 will be backwards Compatitible with The XBox's top selling Games.....only the top selling....

What would the top selling games be...Halo and Halo 2...How many are we talking about. Because I love some games that sucked and im gonna be pissed if I have to buy another system and cant play them on it. Thats why right now Revolution is looking good to me. That and PS3...im wondering on the price

[Vietnamese Crippler]

I'm just hoping that it's not the meat of the game. It worried me when he turned into the wolf. I hope it's still shield/sword/boomerang action with the wolf thing thrown in for a part of the story.

However, something that big has got to be the meat of the game. :(

*SPOILER*

The title, "Twilight Princess," is also the name of another story, which involve two people that get cursed. One person, a princess, is cursed so that she turns into a hawk whenever she is exposed to the sun. The other person, a knight or something, is cursed so that he turns into a wolf whenever he is exposed to the moon. This is pretty evident in the new trailer because there is one scene where you see Link and a hawk lands on his shoulder.

[Xero]

Hopefully it will deliver.

[Gonzo]

Yeah I'm taking a look at some coverage from it, looks amazing.

[Gonzo]

There was this one game I saw from what I was watching called Motor Storm (PS3). I don't even like racing games and this game looked nothing short of spectacular. From what I could see it was a pretty wide open rally racer which didn't seem to be linear like most racing titles. Looks pretty cool.

[DS]

There was this one game I saw from what I was watching called Motor Storm (PS3). I don't even like racing games and this game looked nothing short of spectacular. From what I could see it was a pretty wide open rally racer which didn't seem to be linear like most racing titles. Looks pretty cool.
Haven't read the first page have you. :p

[Boomer]

That MGS4 video was hilarious.

[DS]

lol yeah probably the funniest trailer I've seen.

[Kane Knight]

*SPOILER*

The title, "Twilight Princess," is also the name of another story, which involve two people that get cursed. One person, a princess, is cursed so that she turns into a hawk whenever she is exposed to the sun. The other person, a knight or something, is cursed so that he turns into a wolf whenever he is exposed to the moon. This is pretty evident in the new trailer because there is one scene where you see Link and a hawk lands on his shoulder.
I'm trying to remember the B-Movie I saw that nicked that.

[Kane Knight]

No. Only games that make it with online. So basically everything they make from now on.
Has this been confirmed?

[DS]

Not by Nintendo but just like games now, they have to have certain coding to use online features in consoles differently then they do computers. So they have to code a whole seperate system for online. They could prove me wrong but I would take it as new games only online.

[Kane Knight]

Not by Nintendo but just like games now, they have to have certain coding to use online features in consoles differently then they do computers. So they have to code a whole seperate system for online. They could prove me wrong but I would take it as new games only online.
Hmmm...Depends on how they do it. N64 has apparently been a bitch to port...

It also depends on whether these games are free or not.

[DS]

I just don't see Nintendo taking emulator type coding for their systems. If it would have allowed older games to be played online they would have definitely said so as it would have been some of the bigger news the show would have. They might surprise me though.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I just don't see Nintendo taking emulator type coding for their systems. If it would have allowed older games to be played online they would have definitely said so as it would have been some of the bigger news the show would have. They might surprise me though.
Well the games from the service will probably be downloaded with the emulator everytime you get it, so they could always update that aspect of it

[AareDub]

For those of you intrested in watching the actual confrences you can see them here. http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html As of right now Playstations and Xboxs are up. Nintendo should be up in a few hours. I watching both Playstations and Xboxs confrence. Playstation one is more details and semi-boring. Focusing more on specs and stuff. Xbox was made to keep you intrested while you watch. I liked how Playstation did theres though, although I wasn't that intrested in the specs it showed more what it can do with examples. Xbox was more, we are going to have a lot of games on Xbox 360 lets show one example. Didn't focus as much on the system as Playstation did.

:lol: It's funny how two people can have the exact opposite impression of the same thing. I though the Xbox conference was a little on the boring side, while the PS3 one kept me interested throughout. I guess its just the fact that I already knew most of the stuff being announced for the 360, while the PS3 was mostly new info.

Overall not too terribly impressed with the Nintendo conference. The backwards compatability seems to be the only interesting feature and I have my emulators for that.

I'll probably end up with all 3 systems because I'm a consumer whore and am willing to shell out the cash, however PS3 looks like its going dominate this time around.

[Ninti the Mad]

Why is that guy putting spoilers in black text? ROFL What an idiot.

Anyway, Nintendo didnt show much. I was idssapointed.

Ps3 is definetely the winner when it comes to graphics and 3rd party support.

OMFG DID ANYONE SEE THE KILLZONE TRAILER FOR THE PS3???????????? OMFG OMFG

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Why is that guy putting spoilers in black text? ROFL What an idiot.

Anyway, Nintendo didnt show much. I was idssapointed.

Ps3 is definetely the winner when it comes to graphics and 3rd party support.

OMFG DID ANYONE SEE THE KILLZONE TRAILER FOR THE PS3???????????? OMFG OMFG
Yeah, did anyone see the Killzone trailer for PS2? That look good and then that game was just god awful, to put it lightly. About the PS3 graphics, it's a little premature. We havn't seen revolution yet and the 360s demo kits were approximatly 3/4s of the power of the final unit

[The Diva]

:lol: It's funny how two people can have the exact opposite impression of the same thing. I though the Xbox conference was a little on the boring side, while the PS3 one kept me interested throughout. I guess its just the fact that I already knew most of the stuff being announced for the 360, while the PS3 was mostly new info.

Overall not too terribly impressed with the Nintendo conference. The backwards compatability seems to be the only interesting feature and I have my emulators for that.

I'll probably end up with all 3 systems because I'm a consumer whore and am willing to shell out the cash, however PS3 looks like its going dominate this time around.


Yeah totally what he said. I personally still feel they don't need new consoles just yet as the three still have life left in them but you know, what can ya do. Also, everyone is so up about the backwards compatibility with them all yet on PS2 I hardly ever used PS1 games on it because afterwards when I tried a PS2 game 97% of the time it gave me trouble loading them up, may have just been me. Which brings up the whole disc read error thing and problems Sony has had with the PS2, I mean is it just going to be the same thing over again? Maybe worse considering how much is going to be packed in that thing?

I personally think Microsoft has a good shot at hanging themselves with the whole graphics thing. While not a graphics whore I would prefer it to be more a focus in my gaming machine instead of being able to hook almost totally unrelated objects to them (that goes for all of them). It feels less and less like game consoles and more like this whole digital hub that could turn my coffee pot on at 6:30 and turn the lights off at 10, I want it to play my games, not run my life. If anyone sees the point I'm trying to make here just jump in at any time and explain it because I'm not one for connecting my thoughts and words together that great.

Also on a sidenote: I think the 360 is damn ugly

[AareDub]

The feeling I got from the Nintendo conference is that they aren't even going to try and compete in the hardware competition. I.e. don't expect the best graphics, etc. They are going to focus more on the games and stuff. Like he said "the hardware is just a tool for the software."

[TheNamelessOne]

Which is undoubtedly a good thing.

[Funky Fly]

I read the article from the link that shows what Revolution (tentatively) looks like, and it said that Revolution will only be 2-3 times more powerful than the 'cube. XBox 360 is boasting 10-13 times the power of the original and PS3 is supposed to be 35 TIMES that of PS2. Unfuckingbelievable. Just when Nintendo looks like they are doing everything right, they go and fuck up. :(

I'm probably gonna turn to the dark side and get a PS3 and then Rvolution after its price gets cut by half.

[King Jericho]

Why is that guy putting spoilers in black text? ROFL What an idiot.

Incase anyone reading the topic, who hasn't yet watched the conferences, don't want to find out information.

But then again, if they didn't want to find out anything, they probably wouldn't be reading this topic, lol.

[Shaggy]

I didnt like the orginal so just because they pretty it up a bit doenst mean that im gonna get it.

As much as im sure everyone would love to see all the old 64,nes and snes games be free for the Revolution im sure Nintendo isnt that stupid. Im sure each will cost a certain amout of money. Possibly 10$ for a game or it might depend on how popular the game was. Will be very interesting to see in the upcoming months what happens with this.

[Loose Cannon]

All's I want is a wrestling game that has an online Royal Rumble. Give me that and I'm happy.

[TheNamelessOne]

I don't see what the problem is with Nintendos policy on less emphasis on graphical power and more emphasis on the actual games. If anything thats a GOOD thing. Instead of running around saying "Our graphics are better" they are saying "Our games will be better".

I couldn't give two shits about the specs. I just want good games. So far none of the next generation consoles have shown me anything in terms of games to be impressed or remotely interested in.

[Kane Knight]

I just don't see Nintendo taking emulator type coding for their systems. If it would have allowed older games to be played online they would have definitely said so as it would have been some of the bigger news the show would have. They might surprise me though.
It also might be something that's going to be up to the developers.

[Kane Knight]

I don't see what the problem is with Nintendos policy on less emphasis on graphical power and more emphasis on the actual games. If anything thats a GOOD thing. Instead of running around saying "Our graphics are better" they are saying "Our games will be better".

I couldn't give two shits about the specs. I just want good games. So far none of the next generation consoles have shown me anything in terms of games to be impressed or remotely interested in.
Actually, I have to point something out here. While I agree with you regarding the graphics...

The Nintendo Gamecube was designed with a simple philosophy: Less is more. While it was the worst system in terms of specs, it was better than the PS2 in terms of graphics. It jobbed the the XBox, but not by a HUGE amount. The tech specs aren't always the entire picture. Technically, the Gamecube should have been the worst system for graphics. Realistically, it wasn't.

When Revolution coems out, it should be capable of performing the same. So not being as powerful is only a hangup for the retards who decide that it's weak because the discs are small. Yeah. Okay.

Microsoft and Sony seem to have a huge case of penis envy. Sony tries to be the first, Microsoft tries to be the biggest. Nintendo does does their own thing. That's what they're good at. Not trashtalking, or silly bells and whistles. The system will be solid, regardless of what people might say about the specs.

[AareDub]

I don't see what the problem is with Nintendos policy on less emphasis on graphical power and more emphasis on the actual games. If anything thats a GOOD thing. Instead of running around saying "Our graphics are better" they are saying "Our games will be better".

I couldn't give two shits about the specs. I just want good games. So far none of the next generation consoles have shown me anything in terms of games to be impressed or remotely interested in.

It's not necessarily just graphical power (though they make it seem that way), it also has to do with what it can handle doing. For example how many enemies, with intelligent AI, it can handle on screen at once. Being several times more powerful than the Gamecube isn't horrible, but giving yourself a much less powerful system seems like shooting yourself in the foot before the race. If a developer is making a great game and wants it to be cross platform, they don't have any contstraints when thinking about think about what they can do for ps3 and 360. However, they could potentially run into a situation where they either have to water it down for Revolution, or not offer it at all for that system.

[Kane Knight]

It's not necessarily just graphical power (though they make it seem that way), it also has to do with what it can handle doing. For example how many enemies, with intelligent AI, it can handle on screen at once. Being several times more powerful than the Gamecube isn't horrible, but giving yourself a much less powerful system seems like shooting yourself in the foot before the race. If a developer is making a great game and wants it to be cross platform, they don't have any contstraints when thinking about think about what they can do for ps3 and 360. However, they could potentially run into a situation where they either have to water it down for Revolution, or not offer it at all for that system.
Oi. Ignoring the fact that the GCN could handle more for less, you have an argument.

Some people make their systems powerful. Others make them efficient. I'd rather them use a less powerful system to their fullest than see them throw money and tech at us to solve the issue. Odds are that this is the design idea for the Revolution.

But why let reality get in the way of a good fanboyism?

[Boomer]

This argument kinda reminds me of Windows PCs vs. Macs involving RISC and CISC processors. Macs use RISC processors that don't use as many commands as CISC processors, but does the commands it knows how to do well. I'm guessing that is why Macs are so good at video and sound editing. CISC, however, uses so many more complex commands. While this allows them to do more, they don't do it as efficiently as RISC processors.

Its all preference really. I can see the argument going both ways easily.

[Ninti the Mad]

Yeah, did anyone see the Killzone trailer for PS2? That look good and then that game was just god awful, to put it lightly. About the PS3 graphics, it's a little premature. We havn't seen revolution yet and the 360s demo kits were approximatly 3/4s of the power of the final unit


The same could be said about the Ps3 kits.

And considering Sony has about half a year longer to tweak it with its already superior graphics, thats saying alot.

The physics involved in all those demos was brilliant.

From what I've seen, X-Box to X-box360 doesnt seem like much of a leap.

I hope I am wrong though. I want all of them to do very well because I am probably going to buy them all. :love:

[Kane Knight]

This argument kinda reminds me of Windows PCs vs. Macs involving RISC and CISC processors. Macs use RISC processors that don't use as many commands as CISC processors, but does the commands it knows how to do well. I'm guessing that is why Macs are so good at video and sound editing. CISC, however, uses so many more complex commands. While this allows them to do more, they don't do it as efficiently as RISC processors.

Its all preference really. I can see the argument going both ways easily.
That'd be great for comparison if they were like PC vs Msc, where one was specialised for certain tasks. The Gamecube keeps up with or surpasses the PS2's capacities with ineferior hardware on almost every level. It's not an issue of preference: The Ps2 is the worst of the three major systems in terms of graphics and power and the like, where XBox is the forerunner in terms of capacity. I won't pretend for a moment that the efficiency of the GCN is a match for the XBox's hardware.

NOw they PS2 is superior in terms of library, where it really counts. Sony blows the other two out of the water there. Not that the Gamecube and XBox don't have good titles (If I didn't like GC titles, I woudln't own one). Just that Sony is better for a large number of game titles that will appeal to the masses.

In terms of graphics, or the processing power though, when you come down to cold elements, it's not a competition because both systems are doing the same thing: Running games. Macs were optimised initially for games, which is why they are more prone to music and video programs. Optimised is a bit strong a word there, but adjectives are failing me. PCs were designed for something different. On the other hand, all three gaming systems are GAMING SYSTEMS. I'm not buying the PS2 to toast bread, I'm buying it to give me a game to play (Hopefully several). The system has better tech specs, but worse output.

The only place preference in this matter comes down is in the types of games you play, and that's probably going to still be the major factor within the next gen system "wars." It's worth noting that increase in power doesn't always mean you're doing something productive. People need to work to make games that pander to that hardware, assuming it's possible. The original PS was a good example, as neither it or the 64 used all their potential, because it really wasn't feasible at the time. 30 times or 15 times or whatever times more powerful sounds great on paper, but if it doesn't change your gaming experience, what the fuck's the point?

[UmbrellaCorporation]

That'd be great for comparison if they were like PC vs Msc, where one was specialised for certain tasks. The Gamecube keeps up with or surpasses the PS2's capacities with ineferior hardware on almost every level. It's not an issue of preference: The Ps2 is the worst of the three major systems in terms of graphics and power and the like, where XBox is the forerunner in terms of capacity. I won't pretend for a moment that the efficiency of the GCN is a match for the XBox's hardware.

NOw they PS2 is superior in terms of library, where it really counts. Sony blows the other two out of the water there. Not that the Gamecube and XBox don't have good titles (If I didn't like GC titles, I woudln't own one). Just that Sony is better for a large number of game titles that will appeal to the masses.

In terms of graphics, or the processing power though, when you come down to cold elements, it's not a competition because both systems are doing the same thing: Running games. Macs were optimised initially for games, which is why they are more prone to music and video programs. Optimised is a bit strong a word there, but adjectives are failing me. PCs were designed for something different. On the other hand, all three gaming systems are GAMING SYSTEMS. I'm not buying the PS2 to toast bread, I'm buying it to give me a game to play (Hopefully several). The system has better tech specs, but worse output.

The only place preference in this matter comes down is in the types of games you play, and that's probably going to still be the major factor within the next gen system "wars." It's worth noting that increase in power doesn't always mean you're doing something productive. People need to work to make games that pander to that hardware, assuming it's possible. The original PS was a good example, as neither it or the 64 used all their potential, because it really wasn't feasible at the time. 30 times or 15 times or whatever times more powerful sounds great on paper, but if it doesn't change your gaming experience, what the fuck's the point?


You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Kane Knight again.

Word. :y:

Like I told you on MSN, I agree with that completely. Who really gives a shit as long as you get good gameplay? This year looks promising.

By the way, fanboyism sucks. So any of you who are thinking "OMG PS3 SUX ITS SONY OMFG WTF", here's a little something. Fuck it, put a dime in the salvation army bucket, if you don't like it, grab my cock and suck it.

[DS]

All 3 major companies are claiming huge 3rd party support this time around. So now it will depend on hardware and 1st party. Each company is going to be relying on their franchises to help with this and since each is using the same size disc, it will probably be easy to port every game. Microsoft and Sony both have great systems, with better specs on the latter. We have heard nothing about the Revolution other then it's "prototype" and the basic key features.

Until I see anything game wise for the Revolution, Sony has my vote. They have the top-notch graphics that the next generation systems are shooting for, they have great 3rd party support from previous companies, not to mention an overwhelming library at launch with the backwards compatibility. If they announce an online services like Xbox Live, it will destroy the 360 and, most likely, the Revolution. But this is all a matter of taste.

[Boomer]

There are always alot of variables in these kind of arguements. Alot of people think God of War is Xbox graphic potential. But yes, almost all the time, the PS2 falls short in terms of things like online graphics and speed (FPS) and stuff like that.

But also, I'm beginning to think that people like Bill Gates and others want gaming systems to become computers. I guess that is why I drew the argument. The PS3 will probably end up costing the price of an E-machine, and do some things people with a computer usually would do. The 360 is definitely the more media-savy system coming out, and I'm wondering how much Gates is willing to turn it into this whole "media experience".

Preference will deal alot with fanboy stuff, yeah. But some people will buy the 360 because it can do all these things, while some people will buy the Revolution because its all gaming, and some people will want the PS3 for its sheer power.

But I mean, it doesn't always work that way. I know. The PSP was the better "media experience" for handhelds, and yet the DS has sold twice as many worldwide, largely because people trust Nintendo (as they should).

It is going to be an interesting console cycle to say the least. I have no idea what I will do. I have never owned a current console until the past year, when I bought a PS2. There are so many things that will factor into if I even consider getting a console at all. We'll see.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

I too am uncertain of which console gets my vote. I'll buy them all eventually, but I have to see what suits my tastes as far as the gaming library goes.


At the moment though, my vote goes to Playstation 3. Resident Evil 5, Resident Evil Outbreak File #3, and Devil May Cry 4 for starters. :drool:

[Kane Knight]

There are always alot of variables in these kind of arguements. Alot of people think God of War is Xbox graphic potential. But yes, almost all the time, the PS2 falls short in terms of things like online graphics and speed (FPS) and stuff like that.

But also, I'm beginning to think that people like Bill Gates and others want gaming systems to become computers. I guess that is why I drew the argument. The PS3 will probably end up costing the price of an E-machine, and do some things people with a computer usually would do. The 360 is definitely the more media-savy system coming out, and I'm wondering how much Gates is willing to turn it into this whole "media experience".

Preference will deal alot with fanboy stuff, yeah. But some people will buy the 360 because it can do all these things, while some people will buy the Revolution because its all gaming, and some people will want the PS3 for its sheer power.

But I mean, it doesn't always work that way. I know. The PSP was the better "media experience" for handhelds, and yet the DS has sold twice as many worldwide, largely because people trust Nintendo (as they should).

It is going to be an interesting console cycle to say the least. I have no idea what I will do. I have never owned a current console until the past year, when I bought a PS2. There are so many things that will factor into if I even consider getting a console at all. We'll see.
Yes, they've been turning towards computers for a while. Especially Microsoft.

I don't think the only reason the PSP is being outsold is trust of Nintendo. IT's lack of trust of Sony (All three systems they've released have been flawed), it's the aim of gamers (It seems the actual gaming oriented system is better selling, which has led many to believe that the critic favored PS2 doesn't hold the same "wow" factor to the portable market), etc.

The best technical specs obviously don't always equal the favorite, but the beautiful thing is that they also don't always equal the better system. The Xb360 has some powerful specs, for example, but that doesn't mean it'll be the superior system. And Sony will likely net the msot games, which will give it the superior library, no matter how schooled it may get.

[Jaded-Dragon]

I'm going to disagree with most here. Truth be told I've been a Sony fanboy since '96. However, recently my faith in Sony had begun to dwindle. I was actually leaning more towards the 360 prior to E3. But now looking at everything that PS3 has to offer, it's hard not to enter into fanboy mode. For those saying specs don't matter, I disagree. Specs matter, just the same as quality and quantity of games matter.

First off, for the Nintendo conference, it's a load of crap. You can't compare the price of a $80 handheld to the price of a $150 console. Especially if you don't look at the wide view of things. Reggie failed to mention that while the GBA may have sold more units than the PS2 in America, world wide sales of the PS2 are over 74 million units. Think about this, the average house hold with two male children, are parents going to buy two $150 systems for each child? No. But I'm willing to bet that both have a GBA simply because of the price. How about comparing consoles instead?

For the DS, ok, he has a point. But you have to look at things like the time of the release and availability also. DS has a huge jump on the PSP being out before last christmas. After hearing of this remark in the conference, I went to work today (Asst. manager at EB games) at looked up how many DS systems vs PSP systems we have sold. Even with the fact that we have been sold out of PSP's for two weeks, we have still sold more PSP units in the past 4 weeks than DS. I also had an employee help count how many people came into the store, or called, asking if we had PSP's in stock. Our final tally was 32 in the 8 hour period I was there vs. The one person I had ask about a DS.

What does this mean? Well, nothing. Unless you work in the industry. The overall consumer interest is rising quickly for the PSP. And quite frankly, I'm a little upset that my store is losing out on so much money because we don't have PSP's in stock.

Either way, mark my words, the PSP will catch up to the DS very quickly after this christmas.

As for the revolution... I felt kind of :meh: about the whole thing. I'm sorry, but Mario and Zelda just don't sell a console to me now-a-days. We're not in the 16-bit era anymore. Nintendo needs some real 3rd party support, not titles that are ported over for all three consoles. Which, I'm sorry to say, they don't have. They screwed themselves over on N64 as far as 3rd party is concerned. The "Nintendo Official Seal of Quality" turned off a lot of developers that went for Sony's more freebase development standards. It's entirely possible that had it not been for Sony, we would not of seen games like Metal Gear Solid, Tomb Raider, and Squaresoft's many ambitious projects like Bushido Blade. Sorry again, but the fact I can play N64, SNES, and NES games on the console doesn't sell it to me either. That's like admitting that you can't come up with anything new and exciting, so you have to dig into your archives in order to give the appearence that you have a big library.

No, specs aren't everything, but if your games look and play like ass compared to what everyone else is doing, then specs really do begin to matter. That's not to say that Revolutions titles will look and play like ass, but specs are going to have more to do with the games than what most people here are giving them credit for.

To the Xbox 360. Microsoft is sticking with the DVD-9 format. I thought it was a bad idea when I first heard it, and after Sony's press conference, I think it's an even bigger mistake. Again, here we are with third party support. Microsoft has very little of it as far as exsclusives go. What sold the Xbox console to the masses? Halo and Tecmo games. Period. Ok, so Microsft wants to launch Halo right at the time of the PS3 launch. Bad move. Sony announces GTA4, Tekken 6, MGS4, DMC4, and has plans for them all to be launch titles, and you think HAlo 3 will make a difference? The HAlo fan base is huge, no doubt, but it's not THAT big.

The team lead of Team Ninja was once quoted as saying, "We will always go with the more powerful system." Which is why he backed the Xbox 360. Sony couldn't possibly make a bigger and better console right? Wrong. I'll bet he is eating his words as we speak, and I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if DOA4 ends up being a PS3 title as well as an Xbox 360 title. And from then on we'll see Tecmo's games on the PS3.

So much hype about the new Perfect Dark... and it doesn't even show? Ooooook.

Just look at Sony's unveiling of PS3 titles and you will see that there is quality to go along with those specs. The decision to go Blu-Ray speaks volumes about what they plan to do with the system. For those that don't know, Blu-Ray discs hold 50gbs of data. Just imagine playing GTA on the next gen console, and the City spans the entire distance of the imagination of Rockstar. Or finally being able to play Smackdown and seeing a fully polygon crowd instead of the few repeating models in the front row, followed by cardboard cut-outs. Playing as wrestlers that look every bit as real and detailed as the opening movie of JBI. Well, you'll be getting that with the PS3, and more. That's what those specs mean.

Of course, it's not just power and graphics, the main thing is gameplay. Well, that's really up to the developers and how much time and money they are willing to put in to make a hit title on the PS3.

Which leads me to my next point(s)... 1) Any developer that makes full use of the PS3's power and capabilities is going to have to spend a lot of money to do so. It's going to be significantly cheaper to make a quality game for Xbox as opposed to the PS3. So what does this mean for us? Well, if the PS3 has a strong launch, then more developers will be lured into making games for the PS3. But even if it doesn't, PS3 games will no doubt cost more to purchase than an Xbox game. I predict that the price of Next gen PS3 games will be in the $70 range. Otherwise, it just wouldn't be profitable for a company to invest the amount of money needed in order to make a quality PS3 game.

Ah ha, but Sony has thought of this as well. The console still plays DVD and CD-rom discs. It's not like developers HAVE to make a huge game using the Blu-ray format. And that's where they actually have one over on both Nintendo and Microsoft. Not only can the PS3 play the DVD disc games that Xbox and Revolution can, but it will also be capable of much bigger, in-depth, quality, and "prettier" games, they will just cost a little more to buy.

Being as "into" the game industry that I am as a hobby, and also as my career for the moment, in my honest opinion, Sony has the best gameplan for their next gen system. They have all the bases covered. Their system is not only more powerful, but it's more capable. And by that I mean it's ability to also read DVD discs, which Xbox 360 and Revolution will both be using. However, they can't read a Blu-Ray format, which means those big ass titles announced at the Sony press conference have 0 chance of ever being on the Xbox or the Revolution. They would have to be downgraded to the point where it would be like a totally different game.

From here I see one of three things happening. Either everything goes as it is heading now, and PS3 wins this race. Or, Microsoft rush jobs a Blu-Ray format and completely screws themselves over (much like the Sega Saturn with 3-D). Or Lastly, they delay the Xbox in order to properly include the Blu-Ray format and modify the console to get near the power of Sony's console.

Xbox 360 is supposedly running at 1/3 it's maximum power. I recall Microsoft saying much the same thing with the first Xbox. They were running it at 60 million polygons per second and said that it was only a fraction of the power it would have at launch. They ended up stating that it would run at 300mps at launch, which then slipped to 250mps, the console finally launched at 125mps. So, take the fact that it's running at 1/3rd it's power with a grain of salt.

Same can be said for Sony. What I do find amazing though is that they have only been working witht he cell processor for a little over two months, and they can already do THAT? I don't know if what we are witnessing now is what we will see at launch, but I doubt it. I'd say give it another 6-8 motnhs and we will see things closer to what we will see at launch time. MS however, has been woking with the technology they will use for over a year. And I think we all can agree that nothing they showed looks that amazing.

In anycase, I know most of you are going to disagree with what I've said, and that's fine. I'm only giving my honest input as a game enthusiast of 22 years, a review writer for 4 years, and a retail seller of 3 years.

[Requiem]

Well put. I don't think there was a single thing in that post that I didn't agree with.

[Kane Knight]

It's less that the power doesn't matter than it is the comparisons of power are more or less moot.

If power didn't matter we'd all be on the NES and Sega Master System.

[Kane Knight]

Also, I go back to capacity versus use.

It's going to be hard to get people to do Sony-Only games that can use up to like 200+GB (There's the potential to do 8 layers or so), or even remotely that, when it's so far beyond the industry standard. Games that use the Blu-Ray to the potential needed to prevent porting to other systems is unlikely to be widespread, because it's infant technology on top of being new to the gaming biz.

Not that my technical knowledge can compare with the knowledge of 3 years of retail...

EDIT--I can't remember the exact number of layers, but I think it's 8 possible on a Blu-Ray disc. Each layer is 25 GB. While games that would fill up even one layer would be great, I don't much see it happening.

[Requiem]

I just start imagining a new GTA game using all 8 layers of that, and I cream my pants.

[DS]

Nevermind. :'(

[road doggy dogg]

Haven't really paid much attention to E3. Heard there were some new LoZ videos or something? Gonna czech that ish out on IGN

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Check out the 30+ minute video :drool:

[TheNamelessOne]

So much hype about the new Perfect Dark... and it doesn't even show? Ooooook.
Did you see the footage of Perfect Dark at the Xbox 360 MTV show?

It looks as if Rare have been a complete waste of money. Ultimately all Rare have to show for their work on Perfect Dark and Kameo are 2 half assed looking games with blatent FPS problems in the vidoes they have shown.

[DS]

Perfect Dark is at E3. It might be closed to the public but it is there. They have a red/green system where everyone and all the vehicles on your team are green and everything else is red, even if there's multiple teams. They also have safe bases where you spawn and there is loads of weapons to choose from (4 in total to keep).

[Kane Knight]

I just start imagining a new GTA game using all 8 layers of that, and I cream my pants.
Man, a city that huge would be SICK.

[DS]

Yeah it would be ridiculous if they expanded the cities even more. They can't release this without a full multiplayer now. It will be sick.

On a couple of side notes, the new Metal Gear Solid is going to have an online mode. :D

Also, I'm having a feeling there is going to be some more ratings introduced with all this realistic graphics with blood. Someone is going to throw a fit because it will look "too real". I hope people just use their heads here.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah it would be ridiculous if they expanded the cities even more. They can't release this without a full multiplayer now. It will be sick.

On a couple of side notes, the new Metal Gear Solid is going to have an online mode. :D

Also, I'm having a feeling there is going to be some more ratings introduced with all this realistic graphics with blood. Someone is going to throw a fit because it will look "too real". I hope people just use their heads here.
I don't think we need mroe ratings. I think we need more detail as to what each entails. There are many kinds of "fantasy violence," Frex. There's many kinds of "realistic violence," too. I'm sorry, but there's a difference between blowing up a terrorist in SOCOM and killing a hooker and 5 cops in GTA. That's what we REALLY need out there. LEss generic M, T, E, etc. warnings, and more a description of why.

[Kane Knight]

Shit. I just had a thought. What kind of read speed does the Ps3 drive have?

[DS]

I hope there isn't any more ratings introduced, but there will probably be someone who thinks there should be with all these new graphics. Here's to hoping not.

Are you talking hard drive or dvd drive? I would say a basic 7,200 RPM harddrive and I'd probably say 16X for Blu-Ray. Although it may be higher since it's such a large format.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I hope there isn't any more ratings introduced, but there will probably be someone who thinks there should be with all these new graphics. Here's to hoping not.

Are you talking hard drive or dvd drive? I would say a basic 7,200 RPM harddrive and I'd probably say 16X for Blu-Ray. Although it may be higher since it's such a large format. It will probably be 1x, just like when DVD came out they reset the "x's" :P

EDIT: just did some research and the maximum 'theoretical' possible for current blu-ray data transfer is 36mbps... I'd presume that will drop down to about 20 in real world use but it should have better loading times than the PS2, that for goddamn sure

[Kane Knight]

I hope there isn't any more ratings introduced, but there will probably be someone who thinks there should be with all these new graphics. Here's to hoping not.

Are you talking hard drive or dvd drive? I would say a basic 7,200 RPM harddrive and I'd probably say 16X for Blu-Ray. Although it may be higher since it's such a large format.
I'm talking specifically Blu-Ray capacity for the player. The reason I ask is because a potential 200 GB of game storage is GREAT, but I'm thinking of the potential load times...

[DS]

I'd say close to seemless load times. Depends on what the developers of the games do with it. They only have 512mb ram on the PS3 so if they run it off the memory it could be worse then if they streamed it from the Blu-Ray.

[Kane Knight]

The other question is what 1X is for a Blu Ray.

Both CDs and DVDs were designed with X statted against their total run time at redbook standards. 1X meant that one CD could be completely read in about 74 minutes (Assuming full), and that each minute was one minute of read time. Similar with DVDs. While they actually run faster, they get a slower "X" speed because there is more data being run to equal 1X. Same size, more info.

Now Blu Ray, I don't think movies or music are the primary concept here. So what's 1X going to do, and how will they make it faster without breaking the theoretical cap on disc speed?

[Shaggy]

I hope that for the next GTA game they make it longer...I beat San Andreas quicker than I beat the other two. I jus want a game that will last for a whole long time. Im not big into RPG's unless its Final Fantasy but when I have no Final Fantasy im stuck with nothing.

[Kane Knight]

Another thing that would be great: Imagine all the extras they could cram into a wrestling game.

[Boomer]

Gamespot is reporting that TDK has just made Blu-ray technology better by releasing discs that hold twice as much data (100 GB on 4 layers) and record twice as fast as previous technology.

[Kane Knight]

Gamespot is reporting that TDK has just made Blu-ray technology better by releasing discs that hold twice as much data (100 GB on 4 layers) and record twice as fast as previous technology.
Let's see. 100 GB on 4 layers, 200 GB on 8 layers. Hrm. Considering they announced this kinda shit when BR was being developed...

Faster is better, but twice as fast doesn't necessarily indicate anything...It also depends on twice as fast as which technology. If it's twice as fast as a DVD ROM, it's not as impressive as 2 times the speed of a previous Blue Ray disc.

[Kane Knight]

Not mocking you or anything, it's just that we've been drooling over a 200 GB figure, so 100 GB is less impressive.

[Boomer]

I'm just reporting what I saw. I know nothing about Blu-ray really. I mean they just put the article up. Thought it might be newsworthy.

[Boomer]

Which makes me wonder why its newsworthy at all if everybody already knows.

*shrug*

[Kane Knight]

They sourced a Macworld article, Macworld doesn't tend to check their facts or articles very thoroughly. They said the Revolution's discs would be 12 INCHES.

[Kane Knight]

Which makes me wonder why its newsworthy at all if everybody already knows.

*shrug*
I don't think everyone else knows. However, since it's already being discussed, I'd say there's a pretty good chance you're not telling us anything new.

[Gonzo]

This is all great, and that guy made a wonderful post up above. The big thing is the developers actually putting forth the time, money and effort into these types of games and such. I can only hope.

[Boomer]

I don't think everyone else knows. However, since it's already being discussed, I'd say there's a pretty good chance you're not telling us anything new.

Well I thought all the talk above was just 'if' it held 8 layers and 200 GB. My fault.

[Kane Knight]

This is all great, and that guy made a wonderful post up above. The big thing is the developers actually putting forth the time, money and effort into these types of games and such. I can only hope.
Exactly, but we can dream.

[Jaded-Dragon]

Shit. I just had a thought. What kind of read speed does the Ps3 drive have?


That's a great question. And the 4x BR disc is enough to make me drool.

We were talking today at work about the PS3 and Xbox. We have actually been taking reservations for the Xbox 360 for a little over 2 weeks. The price we have is $500, and a deposit of $50 is required. So the early reports stating that the PS3 will be available for $465-$500 is some what surprising. Especially considering the cost of a standard BR player.

Which is yet another reason to buy a PS3. With the ever steady increase of HDTV's being sold, it's only a matter of time before BR format catches on for movies. So, if you buy a PS3, you already have a player for when they do catch on. And even in the off chance that they don't, you still have the ability to play mega huge games.

[AareDub]

I'm feeling pretty let down with this E3 so far. They did the console announcements, most of which don't give us anything solid to go on. All that really did is cause a bunch of arguing over something that can't really be proven at this point.

As far as games go, there's not really a whole lot. I guess last year spoiled me or something. There were so many big games last year, but this year only has one huge standout game that comes to mine (Zelda). Sure, there have been some other good games announced, but nothing mind blowing or anything.

*shrug* what do you guys think?

[DS]

I was thinking the same thing. The conferences were good, sometimes great, and after that it's been kind of boring. No real huge games like last year with Halo 2, Half Life 2, Doom 3, etc. I am pretty excited to see some Battlefield 2 stuff but other then that there aren't that many games I'm interested in.

[Kane Knight]

That's a great question. And the 4x BR disc is enough to make me drool.

We were talking today at work about the PS3 and Xbox. We have actually been taking reservations for the Xbox 360 for a little over 2 weeks. The price we have is $500, and a deposit of $50 is required. So the early reports stating that the PS3 will be available for $465-$500 is some what surprising. Especially considering the cost of a standard BR player.

Which is yet another reason to buy a PS3. With the ever steady increase of HDTV's being sold, it's only a matter of time before BR format catches on for movies. So, if you buy a PS3, you already have a player for when they do catch on. And even in the off chance that they don't, you still have the ability to play mega huge games.
Keep in mind that they take a loss on consoles anyway, and that Microsoft has the best hardware otherwise...

[Kane Knight]

I'm feeling pretty let down with this E3 so far. They did the console announcements, most of which don't give us anything solid to go on. All that really did is cause a bunch of arguing over something that can't really be proven at this point.

As far as games go, there's not really a whole lot. I guess last year spoiled me or something. There were so many big games last year, but this year only has one huge standout game that comes to mine (Zelda). Sure, there have been some other good games announced, but nothing mind blowing or anything.

*shrug* what do you guys think?
They don't need to do as much anymore. Duh.

[Jaded-Dragon]

I was thinking the same thing. The conferences were good, sometimes great, and after that it's been kind of boring. No real huge games like last year with Halo 2, Half Life 2, Doom 3, etc. I am pretty excited to see some Battlefield 2 stuff but other then that there aren't that many games I'm interested in.


Next year will be huge. Last year it was big name games that used the most of each system's power, this year it was the announcment of Next gen systems. Next year we will see a lot of big name titles for the next gen.


Sony actually didn't lose money on each console sold for the PS2. They didn't make a whole hell of a lot, but they didn't lose any. Unlike MS and Nintendo, who pay other companies to develop technology for them, then they pay whatever company to use it, and then pay for the production of the console. Sony on the other hand, makes everything themselves for the most part, and they produce the consoles themselves. And as we all know, their systems aren't the highest quality products, and the reason for that is so they do make a bigger profit on every console sold.

Back when PS2 was released, and there was a shortage, a financial report said that had Sony been able to produce and ship an extra 1 million units by Christmas, they would of cleared $150 million. That would mean that they were getting $150 per console sold, which I personally feel is a little overboard. Meaning, I don't think that report was entirely accurate. I don't think that whatever company wrote that report calculated in whatever licensing fees and such that Sony had to pay. Of course, this is all based on one report from one website, so who knows for sure... only Sony.

MS however, has lost a ton of money on the Xbox. Their entertainment department, which includes Xbox, just had it's first profitable quarter ever in the 4th quarter of 2004. But, MS can make that money up in plenty of other areas, so I'm sure it's no biggie. Their stock certainly hasn't taken a hit.

[Kane Knight]

Microsoft will probably be able to turn a better profit if they can land more good games on the Box this time around.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Microsoft will probably be able to turn a better profit if they can land more good games on the Box this time around.


Aye. Halo doesn't cut it as far as I'm concerned. I easily prefer it over Half-Life though. That game bored me to no end.

I have Xbox Live, but I usually don't play it much. I get on and play Halo occasionally, but I can only deal with the morons on Xbox Live for so long. So I either play something else or shut my microphone off.

Really though, I usually just play Star Wars: Knights Of The Old Republic on Xbox mostly. That and Morrowind.