George Lucas sucks ass.

[BigDaddyCool]

And here is why. I just saw Revenge of the Sith, and it for the most part sucked. I was really hoping for it not to suck, because I knew it couldn't rule. Anyhow, this post will be about all of Star Wars, but a lot of my points will be taken from Revenge of the Sith because that is the freshest in my mind.

Firstly, I'm glad I finally know how Skywalker become Vader. There, I said one positive thing about the movie.

My first problem with all of Star Wars is the fact George Lucas is a cold, distant person which is evident in his writing for normal every day conversation. When he wrote for Anikin Skywalker as a child, he made him talk so unnaturally for a child. In the more romantic scenes between Skywalker and Padimay(sp?), the words are so clumbsy and forced it is evident that Lucas has never been very far with a woman than isn't a Star Wars groupie, so he just makes shit up.

Then there is the fact that Lucas's universe is fucking crazy. There are all these backwater planets with primative creatures that know how to use lasers and what not, but still don't have the since to put on some sort of battle armour(notice the british spelling, thanks Warhammer).
As long as I'm on the crazy ass universe, look at all the buildings, they are an architechtural nightmare. Everything is on spidally towers, or dug into the side of a moutian, or a fucking tree city. And all these huge (and heavy) space ships land on little tippy toes. If you take 5 seconds to think about it, then you would realize no sane engineer would make shit like that, it would break way to easy.

Then there is that gaping plot hole known as the force, which is probably Lucas's biggest fuck up. From what I understand of the force, it can do everything, from letting you read minds, control other people minds, pick things up telekentically, shoot lightning from your finger tips, survive lava (there is no other way to explain Vader surviving the lava), and a whole host of other things. But then in moments where it would be the most useful for the Jedi to use these powers, they don't. Here I'll explain:
1. The force lets you move things about telekentically. So, in the scene where those buzz drones are all over Obi-Wan's fighter when they are going to save Palpintine in the very beginning of of Revenge of the Sith, why didn't Obi-Wan just use the force and knock them off his ship?
2. From what I understand, people with the force can sence it other with the force. So, when the Jedi masters talked to Palpintine, Yoda should have senced that he was strong with the force and known something was up. (also, as long as we are on the subject of knowing Palpintine was evil, the Jedi should have know. From my understanding, in his universe controling the force is a rare gift. So, then it is consivable that the Jedi should be keeping tabs on everyone that has some sort of force powers. Plus, it is probably a small cirlce of poeple who can wield the force with any ease, so figuring out who is Sith and what not shouldn't have been that hard).

Then there is the Jedi themselves. Everything leads to the darkside for them. They can't have sex, they can't meet women, they can't jerk off (probably), they can't feel. They have to be detached from everything or the darkside will consume them. Plus they are the protecters of peace through out the universe. If they have to be detached from everything philsophically, then philsophically they shouldn't be fighting for peace, all they should be doing is consetrating on the goal to becoming one with the force, not going all over the galaxy fighting wars.

Then there is just Lucas's ineliquance with naming things. The thing that bothers my the most is the darkside. Now I have no problems with the Jedi calling it the darkside, because they are trying to label it as evil. I have a problem with the Sith calling it the darkside. Why? Because no one ever refers to themselves as evil, well at least not people trying to take over. Hitler never called himself evil. Stalin never called himself evil. I'm sure Kin Jong Ill doesn't call himself evil. Sadum Hussien doesn't call himself evil. Bin Laden doesn't either. So why would Palpintine call himself a dark lord? He should be arguing that he isn't evil, but instead that Sith are strong and are willing to use power while the jedi are weak and afriad of it. Then made up some name for the darkside of the force that doesn't make it sound evil, but instead strong. Lucas needs to inject Star Wars and the Sith with the philosphies of Nietzsche.

[Fignuts]

Oh god.

[loopydate]

Too bad there isn't another thread that this could have been posted in.

[Kane Knight]

Sweet Jesus, you're nitpicking aspects of a Sci-Fi/FANTASY movie?

Worse, you're nitpicking aspects that are for the purpose of visual asthetics?

[Sickboy]

I agree with points 1 and 2 about the force.

If the force thing was real I would be a Sith as Jedi's seem to be fu</>cking morons

[Kane Knight]

I agree with points 1 and 2 about the force.

If the force thing was real I would be a Sith as Jedi's seem to be fucking morons
Point 1: Knocking the bugs off his ship?

Jedi have variable control of the force. They also need to concentrate. Easy answer.

Point 2: Sensing the Force?

They can sense the Force and Sense the Dark Side, and powerful Force users can cloak themselves.

[Fox]

Then there is that gaping plot hole known as the force, which is probably Lucas's biggest fuck up. From what I understand of the force, it can do everything, from letting you read minds, control other people minds, pick things up telekentically, shoot lightning from your finger tips, survive lava (there is no other way to explain Vader surviving the lava), and a whole host of other things. But then in moments where it would be the most useful for the Jedi to use these powers, they don't. Here I'll explain:
1. The force lets you move things about telekentically. So, in the scene where those buzz drones are all over Obi-Wan's fighter when they are going to save Palpintine in the very beginning of of Revenge of the Sith, why didn't Obi-Wan just use the force and knock them off his ship?
2. From what I understand, people with the force can sence it other with the force. So, when the Jedi masters talked to Palpintine, Yoda should have senced that he was strong with the force and known something was up. (also, as long as we are on the subject of knowing Palpintine was evil, the Jedi should have know. From my understanding, in his universe controling the force is a rare gift. So, then it is consivable that the Jedi should be keeping tabs on everyone that has some sort of force powers. Plus, it is probably a small cirlce of poeple who can wield the force with any ease, so figuring out who is Sith and what not shouldn't have been that hard).

1. Like stated above, it takes a large amount of concentration to use the force. Obi-Wan hates flying, so he's already under a lot of pressure. Not to mention the fact that he has to use the force to concentrate on avoiding laser blasts and collisions with the thousands of ships around him. Bottom line is, it was just much more entertaining and cool for Anakin to use his own ship's wing to knock the buzz droids off. It's a theatrical thing.

2. The Sith Lords were becoming absolutely more powerful than the Jedi at this point in the film. In Episode II, Yoda even says "The dark side clouds everything - impossible to see, the future is." Darth Sidious (Palpatine) is basically in control of the force, and is able to keep the Jedi from discovering his plot. Even still, the Jedi council members are suspicious of the chancellor and know that there is a Sith in their midsts, possibly controlling the Senate.

[El Santo]

I think Lucas made the Jedis to be such prudes (can't fall in love, can't feel, etc.) because Jedis were never completely right about the Force to begin with. They may have correctly prophesied that Annakin was the one to bring balance to the force. Unfortunately, part of that meant laying the smackdown on the Jedi who had become too pompous for their own good.

The movie then segues to the original trilogy, where the prominent Force user is Luke Skywalker. The difference here is that Luke does do everything that the Jedi warned him not to do: he defies Yoda and saves his friends, he defies Obi Wan and ends up redeeming his father, and he never falls to the dark side. I guess when Vader cleaned house with Jedi and Sith alike, Force users were now free act like a normal person.

Or maybe Lucas is just a crappy writer.

[Shadow]

I think Lucas made the Jedis to be such prudes (can't fall in love, can't feel, etc.) because Jedis were never completely right about the Force to begin with. They may have correctly prophesied that Annakin was the one to bring balance to the force. Unfortunately, part of that meant laying the smackdown on the Jedi who had become too pompous for their own good.

The movie then segues to the original trilogy, where the prominent Force user is Luke Skywalker. The difference here is that Luke does do everything that the Jedi warned him not to do: he defies Yoda and saves his friends, he defies Obi Wan and ends up redeeming his father, and he never falls to the dark side. I guess when Vader cleaned house with Jedi and Sith alike, Force users were now free act like a normal person.

Or maybe Lucas is just a crappy writer.

Go with the former. It's easier to swallow.

[Nowhere Man]

I'd like to think it's the former, but it's probably the latter. I mean, have you ever seen how ridiculous the script for the original Star Wars was before it went into production? (example: the original title was "The Adventure of Luke Skywalker, as Taken from the Journals of the Whills: Saga One: The Star Wars." Jesus Christ)

[samichna]

wow geek central

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It's just fuckin Star Wars, CHEEEEEEEEL MY NEGROS

[What Would Kevin Do?]

wow geek central

Seriously, they're nitpicking starwars. Dorks. I thought you were cool BDC... I thought you were cool.

[YOUR Hero]

Meanwhile, Lucas makes billions.

Suck on those lemons, BDC

[BigDaddyCool]

Meanwhile, Lucas makes billions.

Suck on those lemons, BDC

You aren't the first to make the arguement. Making millions, and good writting have little to do with each other. Just like good writing and the Backstreet Boys.

[toxic rooster]

Seriously, you're nitpicking starwars. You dork. I thought you were cool man... I thought you were cool.
lol way to check the username of the poster, geek

[MJD]

Point 2: Sensing the Force?

They can sense the Force and Sense the Dark Side, and powerful Force users can cloak themselves.


Exactly, hence "there is a dark cloud in the force" which was said about 20 times in eps 1, 2 and 3.

[YOUR Hero]

You aren't the first to make the arguement. Making millions, and good writting have little to do with each other. Just like good writing and the Backstreet Boys.
Arguement?

I was pointing something very factual out. That is all. And yes, it happens to apply to the BackStreet Boys too. So suck those lemons too.

[Gertner]

And here is why. I just saw Revenge of the Sith, and it for the most part sucked. I was really hoping for it not to suck, because I knew it couldn't rule. Anyhow, this post will be about all of Star Wars, but a lot of my points will be taken from Revenge of the Sith because that is the freshest in my mind.

Firstly, I'm glad I finally know how Skywalker become Vader. There, I said one positive thing about the movie.

My first problem with all of Star Wars is the fact George Lucas is a cold, distant person which is evident in his writing for normal every day conversation. When he wrote for Anikin Skywalker as a child, he made him talk so unnaturally for a child. In the more romantic scenes between Skywalker and Padimay(sp?), the words are so clumbsy and forced it is evident that Lucas has never been very far with a woman than isn't a Star Wars groupie, so he just makes shit up.

Then there is the fact that Lucas's universe is fucking crazy. There are all these backwater planets with primative creatures that know how to use lasers and what not, but still don't have the since to put on some sort of battle armour(notice the british spelling, thanks Warhammer).
As long as I'm on the crazy ass universe, look at all the buildings, they are an architechtural nightmare. Everything is on spidally towers, or dug into the side of a moutian, or a fucking tree city. And all these huge (and heavy) space ships land on little tippy toes. If you take 5 seconds to think about it, then you would realize no sane engineer would make shit like that, it would break way to easy.

Then there is that gaping plot hole known as the force, which is probably Lucas's biggest fuck up. From what I understand of the force, it can do everything, from letting you read minds, control other people minds, pick things up telekentically, shoot lightning from your finger tips, survive lava (there is no other way to explain Vader surviving the lava), and a whole host of other things. But then in moments where it would be the most useful for the Jedi to use these powers, they don't. Here I'll explain:
1. The force lets you move things about telekentically. So, in the scene where those buzz drones are all over Obi-Wan's fighter when they are going to save Palpintine in the very beginning of of Revenge of the Sith, why didn't Obi-Wan just use the force and knock them off his ship?
2. From what I understand, people with the force can sence it other with the force. So, when the Jedi masters talked to Palpintine, Yoda should have senced that he was strong with the force and known something was up. (also, as long as we are on the subject of knowing Palpintine was evil, the Jedi should have know. From my understanding, in his universe controling the force is a rare gift. So, then it is consivable that the Jedi should be keeping tabs on everyone that has some sort of force powers. Plus, it is probably a small cirlce of poeple who can wield the force with any ease, so figuring out who is Sith and what not shouldn't have been that hard).

Then there is the Jedi themselves. Everything leads to the darkside for them. They can't have sex, they can't meet women, they can't jerk off (probably), they can't feel. They have to be detached from everything or the darkside will consume them. Plus they are the protecters of peace through out the universe. If they have to be detached from everything philsophically, then philsophically they shouldn't be fighting for peace, all they should be doing is consetrating on the goal to becoming one with the force, not going all over the galaxy fighting wars.

Then there is just Lucas's ineliquance with naming things. The thing that bothers my the most is the darkside. Now I have no problems with the Jedi calling it the darkside, because they are trying to label it as evil. I have a problem with the Sith calling it the darkside. Why? Because no one ever refers to themselves as evil, well at least not people trying to take over. Hitler never called himself evil. Stalin never called himself evil. I'm sure Kin Jong Ill doesn't call himself evil. Sadum Hussien doesn't call himself evil. Bin Laden doesn't either. So why would Palpintine call himself a dark lord? He should be arguing that he isn't evil, but instead that Sith are strong and are willing to use power while the jedi are weak and afriad of it. Then made up some name for the darkside of the force that doesn't make it sound evil, but instead strong. Lucas needs to inject Star Wars and the Sith with the philosphies of Nietzsche.
wow...... just wow...when your mom picked you up fafter the movie did she have to calm you down with some orange slices?

[John la Rock]

too much to read. Why don't people keep their posts short and sweet instead of writing essays?

[Requiem]

Weren't there actually like 9 movies, all written at once but only 4, 5, and 6 were created at first? At least, that's what I've heard from the hardcore Star Wars fans who read into this stuff. So technically, if that's true then these were all written before Lucas was making millions.

[BigDaddyCool]

wow...... just wow...when your mom picked you up fafter the movie did she have to calm you down with some orange slices?

Dude, I'm 23 and my mom doesn't pick me up from movies...but we did have to calm her down after she saw it. She was fucking livid and complaining about how she had to wait 30 years for that pile of crap.

[Fox]

The movie then segues to the original trilogy, where the prominent Force user is Luke Skywalker. The difference here is that Luke does do everything that the Jedi warned him not to do: he defies Yoda and saves his friends, he defies Obi Wan and ends up redeeming his father, and he never falls to the dark side.

Have you even seen Empire Strikes Back? All Luke does by going to Cloud City is face his father and get his fucking hand cut off. His friends got away just fine on their own, then came back to save HIS ass.

He doesn't defy Obi Wan, he actually does exactly as Obi Wan tells him to - he fights his father. After Yoda tells him that Luke is truly Vader's son, Luke no longer wants to fight his own father, but Obi-Wan convinces him that he must.

[Real Deal]

Weren't there actually like 9 movies, all written at once but only 4, 5, and 6 were created at first? At least, that's what I've heard from the hardcore Star Wars fans who read into this stuff. So technically, if that's true then these were all written before Lucas was making millions.

Kinda....Though GL has said he wont be making 7-9
SO what we have is all we'll get>

he is making a TV series, though it has nothing to do about the main characters. That will be set between 3 and 4

[Kane Knight]

Kinda....Though GL has said he wont be making 7-9
SO what we have is all we'll get>

he is making a TV series, though it has nothing to do about the main characters. That will be set between 3 and 4
He used to say the same thing about the first 3.

And while I know you'll play the zealot card and try and correct me, you were wrong the last 900 times you said it too.

[Kane Knight]

Weren't there actually like 9 movies, all written at once but only 4, 5, and 6 were created at first? At least, that's what I've heard from the hardcore Star Wars fans who read into this stuff. So technically, if that's true then these were all written before Lucas was making millions.
They were written, but these ones weren't. Most of eps 1-3 played out totally different than originally written.

[BigDaddyCool]

Kinda....Though GL has said he wont be making 7-9
SO what we have is all we'll get>

he is making a TV series, though it has nothing to do about the main characters. That will be set between 3 and 4

George Lucas will eventually make 7-9, how do I know this? Simple, there is money to be had. He will notice that people just aren't buying like they use to, and the 5 extra hours of new never before special features on the aren't selling the reissued DVDs, so he will make the last 3. I mean how many times has Kiss, Black Sabbath, The Rolling Stones, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Shawn Micheals, or Rocky (Sly's Rocky) retired? Lucas already has the scripts made out, and the studio and editing shops in place, it is little work for him to just make 3 more movies. They will come out in like 5 or 10 years.

[YOUR Hero]

Now you are making sence, BDC

[Real Deal]

He used to say the same thing about the first 3.

And while I know you'll play the zealot card and try and correct me, you were wrong the last 900 times you said it too.


:lol: whatever

[Real Deal]

As for episodes 7-9....If they get done they get done....though i am doubting it. Awesome for GL if he does decided to do it. Not the first go go back on his word, wont be the last.

Why do i doubt it....because there are so many books and things now days that have been set after Return of the Jedi.....Frankly so many stories a new set of movies will hardly please the fans of the books....so it will be hard to make the same profit. It really would be a double edged sword to make them.

either way, it will be quite a wait. Im not partically fussed either way either.

[Loose Cannon]

LOL. Hillarious. Why don't characters pull the trigger in movies right when they have a chance to kill the bad guy?

Why do good guys always trip and fall?

Why do characters stop and stare at a huge tidal wave coming right at them when they should be moving?

Why is it that when somebody is about to fall off a cliff, the good guy always manages to catch the bad guys hand before falling?

Why do teenagers keep having sex at Camp Crystal Lake or better yet, why the fuck do they keep going there?

You see what I'm getting at. For most movies, you have to leave your brain and logic at home for 3 hours.

[Fignuts]

As for episodes 7-9....If they get done they get done....though i am doubting it. Awesome for GL if he does decided to do it. Not the first go go back on his word, wont be the last.

Why do i doubt it....because there are so many books and things now days that have been set after Return of the Jedi.....Frankly so many stories a new set of movies will hardly please the fans of the books....so it will be hard to make the same profit. It really would be a double edged sword to make them.

either way, it will be quite a wait. Im not partically fussed either way either.

Exactly. I don't see lucas adapting an expanded universe story to film. He would want to do his own story. And that might mean setting events in place that are totally out of the continuity of the EU. The expanded universe is too big for lucas to screw it up like that. It would be spitting in the face of all the great authors who worked on all the books.

Besides, lucas is already going back on his word about no more movies. In a recent interview, he stated that he was possibly considering one more prequel movie, set before episode I. This would be a long way off though since it would come after Indiana Jones 4, and after the TV series was up and running.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The one thing I really agree with about BDC's post is that point about "the dark side". I mean sure, the name's badass, but who wants to trust a guy named "Darth Sidious"? It just sounds...untrustworthy. And yeah, the "bad guys" don't really do themselves a favour at night by calling themselves "Dark Lords".

I suppose it could be argued they do it to inspire fear in their enemies, but why not call themselves "Commanders of the Force" or something, that shows strength, but keeps some honour in it?

[Gertner]

Dude, I'm 23 and my mom doesn't pick me up from movies...but we did have to calm her down after she saw it. She was fucking livid and complaining about how she had to wait 30 years for that pile of crap.

lol being 23 doesn't let you off the hook.

[Kane Knight]

Exactly. I don't see lucas adapting an expanded universe story to film. He would want to do his own story. And that might mean setting events in place that are totally out of the continuity of the EU. The expanded universe is too big for lucas to screw it up like that. It would be spitting in the face of all the great authors who worked on all the books.

Besides, lucas is already going back on his word about no more movies. In a recent interview, he stated that he was possibly considering one more prequel movie, set before episode I. This would be a long way off though since it would come after Indiana Jones 4, and after the TV series was up and running.
Lucas has already spit in their faces. What;s your point?

[The Mackem]

I wish I were rich, imagine spitting in authors' faces.

[Amaroqwolf]

Exactly. I don't see lucas adapting an expanded universe story to film. He would want to do his own story. And that might mean setting events in place that are totally out of the continuity of the EU. The expanded universe is too big for lucas to screw it up like that. It would be spitting in the face of all the great authors who worked on all the books.



Acctually no it wouldn't, sense there is nearly 15 years between the end of Ep 6 and the first official book. The courtship of Princess Leia. Most likely GL set that up that way if he decided doing another set of three he'd have a 15 year time space to work in.


And as for him doing another prequal movie..That would be cool (shrugs)

[BlackDawn2024]

No more prequels. I'm sorry, George, but I don't really give a shit about Yoda's origins(that was rumored at one time to be what Episode 0 would be about). I don't care what happens before Phantom Menace. If I'm gonna go see a new Star Wars movie, I want to see what happens after ROTJ.

George Lucas does not suck ass. Rick McCallum sucks ass. Jar Jar Binks sucks ass. Jake Lloyd sucks ass. But George, my friend, does no ass sucking of any kind.

People really need to lighten the fuck up about the prequels. Jesus, they're just fucking movies. These are not grand, operatic movies that you speak about like you've got a stick up your ass. They're just fun, awesome, entertaining films. Now, granted, Episode I is a bad film. But Episode II is underrated, and Episode III is fucking awesome.

And you know what? I love when people complain about too much CGI. Well how the fuck do you expect George to do the movies he wants(meaning the prequels) without CG?

I could go on and on about the changes to the original trilogy, and all that shit about SW being "the fans" movies, but I won't.

Oh and...

George Lucas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BigDaddyCool

[YOUR Hero]

People really need to lighten the fuck up about the prequels. Jesus, they're just fucking movies
Although I agree, I find it difficult to accept this from the guy that complains loudly about Superman's costume in that up coming movie.

[BlackDawn2024]

Although I agree, I find it difficult to accept this from the guy that complains loudly about Superman's costume in that up coming movie.

Now why'd you have to bring Superman's new costume into this? The prequel bashing pisses me off, but the new Superman costume REALLY pisses me off. But I really don't see what the Superman Returns costume has to do with Star Wars.

[YOUR Hero]

My point is, as I quoted, you are complaining about people complaining, yet you have a history of complaining yourself... and I felt the need to complain about this.

[BlackDawn2024]

My point is, as I quoted, you are complaining about people complaining, yet you have a history of complaining yourself... and I felt the need to complain about this.

Point taken. :)