Batman Begins.

[YOUR Hero]

OK, what's going on here?

How can they just start the series over again. Sure it really sucked a lot more ass after the first movie, but I don't understand how the Bruce Wayne/Batman character just starts over.

A little help here please.

[McDoogle]

Part 1 was the best but part 2 was pretty good as well. Everything after 2 was terrible.

[Boomer]

Somebody told me it actually did follow suit with the original comic series. But I completely agree. I really don't see how it will really tie in with it all. We'll see.

[Fox]

I suppose that Batman Begins, as the title would suggest, tells the story of Bruce Wayne's beginnings. A more indepth look at how his parents died, how it ultimately effected him, how he was trained to be such a fucking bad ass, and then the beginning of his career as Batman.

After Begins, you can then watch Batman and Batman Returns, and the story all falls into place.

Don't watch Forever or Batman and Robin. They are the aborted fetuses of the Batman saga.

[YOUR Hero]

But we already know how his parents died, he already made the jump from regular Billionaire Bruce Wayne to becoming Batman. The long ass trailer I watched on 'The Space Channel' showed that all over again. And that car. Come on. Shenanigans.

[Innovator]

This is him training to be Batman, cmon now

[McLegend]

Batman Begins will have nothing to do with Tim Burton's Batman.

Nothing except for some of the Characters like Bruce Wayne and Alfred and Gotham are the only things that will be the same.

[YOUR Hero]

Yes, and that is shenanigans.

[McLegend]

I actually think it will be much better, but thats just me.

[The Answer]

Batman Begins will have nothing to do with Tim Burton's Batman.

Nothing except for some of the Characters like Bruce Wayne and Alfred and Gotham are the only things that will be the same.

Is Morgan Freeman playing Alfred? :wtf:

[McLegend]

Is Morgan Freeman playing Alfred? :wtf:
No, he is playing Lucius Fox.

Michael Caine is playing Alfred.

[John la Rock]

who is Lucius Fox?

[Gouda]

They showed a ten minute preview of this movie after the seaon finale of Smallville.

Some looked real kickass, with him training with ninjas and all that, but some looked like it could be "meh". I'm just hoping that the "meh" will turn to "awesome" when it's actually in context.

[McLegend]

who is Lucius Fox?

The black guy who is like 2nd in command of Wayne Enterprise's.

Remember the cartoon when Bruce would talk to a black guy? Well that is Lucious Fox. Pretty sure he was only black guy in the cartoon too. Someone please correct me on that if I'm wrong.

[mitchables]

Harvey Dent was black as well, originally.

Anyway, Batman: Begins is going to be the saviour of the Batman franchise. It is simple. Scot, do you object to Star Wars Episodes I-III because they tell a story that is already known? I, for one, am very interested to see him training to become Batman, and the transition he goes through as he takes on his double life. The Scarecrow and Ra'as A-Ghul (sp?) should be great as well.

It is, on the whole, going to be a much darker, grittier movie than Forever and Batman and Robin, and even moreso than the first two (apparently). Christian Bale has what it takes to make this franchise great again. :heart:

[Gouda]

Harvey Dent was black as well, originally.
Only in the movies.

I think Scarecrow should have got his own movie.

Though I hear Ra's doesn't really do much and is just "the man behind the scenes" or something.

[Loose Cannon]

yea, I don't understand that eathier Hero. I mean, we already saw how and why he became Batman. We already saw the Joker kill his parents. Is that even in the comic book? It's weird saying, "ok, forget about everything you saw before, we're starting over again."

[wwe2222]

The joker doesnt kill bruce's parents in the comics. Joe Chill does. Tim Burton was the one who changed it to the joker for his movie. These movies will have nothing to do with the other 4 batman movies.

According to some sites ive read (not that they can be trusted) they are looking to include the Joker in the next movie.

On a side note, Previous to becoming the Joker, he was only known as Red Hood and not Jack Napier as in the Tim Burton Batman. The last name of Napier was included to honor the actor who played Alfred on the 60s batman series. His last name was Napier. Not sure where they got Jack from.

[MJD]

Only in the movies.

I think Scarecrow should have got his own movie.

.


Billy Dee Williams (Lando Calrissian from Star Wars) played DA Harvey Dent in Batman, Tommy Lee Jones took over when he actually played the villian Two Face.

Harvey Dent isn't black in the comics, who knows why they got Billy Dee Williams to play him, Burton must be a Star Wars fan. :)

Its like in the Spawn comics, Terry Fitzgerald is a black guy but in the movie they get D.B Sweeney from Memphis Belle to play him. Oh yeah and he was white?

[Boondock Saint]

LOL D.B. Sweeney

[Boondock Saint]

Can't wait for this, BTW

[PorkSoda]

Batman: Hey Robin, get over here!
Robin: What is it, Batman?
Batman: I need to put your costume on!
Robin: I don't wanna wear the thong Batman.
Batman: You have to, put it on
Robin: Batman, the thong makes my ass show
Batman: Thats right it does, doesnt it? Put it on!

[YOUR Hero]

yea, I don't understand that eathier Hero. I mean, we already saw how and why he became Batman. We already saw the Joker kill his parents. Is that even in the comic book? It's weird saying, "ok, forget about everything you saw before, we're starting over again."
exactly.

If they want to start over, then IMO, they can't be doing it already. More time has to pass.

I'm not losing sleep over any of this. Don't get me wrong, just making an observation.

[mitchables]

exactly.

If they want to start over, then IMO, they can't be doing it already. More time has to pass.

I'm not losing sleep over any of this. Don't get me wrong, just making an observation.

8 years have passed since the destruction of the franchise in Batman and Robin. How much more time needs to pass? :$

[Gouda]

Well at least they started over and didn't pull a Superman and make the new movie a sequel of the second movie, thus pushing away the bad sequels.

[YOUR Hero]

8 years have passed since the destruction of the franchise in Batman and Robin. How much more time needs to pass? :$
20-50 years

[mitchables]

Meh, I am quite happy for them to start over.

[Shaggy]

Every time I see the trailer for this movie I get chills and cant wait for it......

HURRY UP DAMN IT

[Loose Cannon]

I wanna see Baine break his back in one of these movies. I love that comic.

[Gouda]

I want to see Robin get beat to death by The Joker.

[Loose Cannon]

yea LOL. I think I have that one too.

I don't have the Superman one though

[Loose Cannon]

http://batmanytb.com/comics/batman/batman10c.jpg

Yea, look at that shit

[VJW]

Should be very good. The costume is much better except for the way the cape is attached to the rest of the suit. It's good to know that Year 1 by Frank Miller was a big influence. Hopefully they'll do something similar to Loeb's Long Halloween next.

P.S. Anybody read the new arc in Batman called Under the hood that reveals red hood is Jason Todd. Kinda disappointed though since I thought it was a bad idea to go back on what the fans voted on.

[mitchables]

Yeah, I read the arc, but I disapproved of the unveiling of Jason Todd for a different reason. I don't know if you read the "Hush" story arc, but Clayface posed as Jason Todd for a while posing as Hush. If you follow. And that was like last year, so it seemed a bit soon to be pulling Jason Todd back into it. Dunno, they could've gone plenty of other ways. :-\

[Boondock Saint]

Ordered the 90s Batman Animated Series Volume 1 DVD. Kick ass show and quite faithful to Batman in general. Can't wait to see it again.

[Lara Emily]

I wanna see Baine break his back in one of these movies. I love that comic. I always felt Kilmer made a decent Batman but a shit Bruce Wayne and Clooney a decent Wayne but shit Batman, so if they ever wanted to explore the Jean Paul Valley as Batman era, those two could have worked well together IMO. But it's far to late for that.

[Lara Emily]

20-50 years
The first 4 each barely had anything to do with the rest especially considering how drastically their looks changed. In fact the only thing that really linked them was that Alfred was always the same guy and Chris O'Donnel plays Robin in the last two. There's no true feeling of continuation, not to mention the changing of Batman's origin was stupid anyway. Other than that the sum of the franchise is 1 pretty good movie (Batman 1989), one decent but hardly anything special movie (Batman Returns), one below average movie (Batman Forever) and one piece of shit (Batman and Robin). There is hardly a true saga or series to the Batman movies so shaking things up with an excellent director (Christopher Nolan) and awesome lead (Christian Bale, potential to be better than Keaton), could lead to a better and more established series. It's been 16 years since the original Batman, and the sequels are all pretty much nothing to write home about anyway as I already said, so I think now is a good a time as any to start fresh.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

It's people like you who are destroying the movie industry Hero, what with your 'questions'.

For shame :nono:

[YOUR Hero]

You either have to continue with the Batman franchise as it stands now and improve it from here on in OR shelve it for at least 20 years. That's my opinion. NO DO OVERS SO SOON :mad:

[VJW]

Yeah, I read the arc, but I disapproved of the unveiling of Jason Todd for a different reason. I don't know if you read the "Hush" story arc, but Clayface posed as Jason Todd for a while posing as Hush. If you follow. And that was like last year, so it seemed a bit soon to be pulling Jason Todd back into it. Dunno, they could've gone plenty of other ways. :-\

Agreed. Yeah, I read Hush (first arc I ever read in comics) and I was also disappointed with that. The ending was kinda too obvious IMO.

[mitchables]

Hush was the first arc you ever read?

Damn, way to make me feel old. :$

[VJW]

Hush was the first arc you ever read?

Damn, way to make me feel old. :$


lol

[mitchables]

I know the first Batman Arc I ever read was the "KnightQuest: Crusade" arc, which (I THINK) started in Batman #501... which was late 1993.

But damned if I could tell you the first overall comic I ever read. I think it was Fantastic Four, to be honest.

[Boondock Saint]

I always felt Kilmer made a decent Batman but a shit Bruce Wayne and Clooney a decent Wayne but shit Batman

I always thought the same thing. :y:

[mitchables]

I always thought the same thing. :y:

Funnily enough, I semi-agree. I always thought that while Michael Keaton wasn't a fantastic Wayne/Batman (short in stature, weak jaw - though he had the image of a very psychologically disturbed loner down), he was in two exceptional films. Conversely, Val Kilmer was an excellent Wayne/Batman (he just has the playboy look and the build to play the Dark Knight) but was in a cinematic train wreck. Clooney I don't even count.

Christian Bale has hopefully struck gold from both worlds. I saw one trailer where he spoke a fair bit, and he has the Batman voice down. It is knee-tremblingly good. :love:

[Gouda]

Yeah, when he's in the Batman costume he actually uses another, more menacing voice. Which is how it should be. None of that same exact voice thing for him.

[VJW]

Yeah, when he's in the Batman costume he actually uses another, more menacing voice. Which is how it should be. None of that same exact voice thing for him.

Agreed. I still wonder how Mary Jane couldn't recognize Peter's voice before she found out.

[mitchables]

Yeah, when he's in the Batman costume he actually uses another, more menacing voice. Which is how it should be. None of that same exact voice thing for him.

It was beautiful. Bruce should have a quieter, more reserved voice. He is Bruce Wayne, distinguished billionaire. Batman is dark, menacing, gruff. I love the transition in voices. Keaton didn't do it too badly, I just found it hard to take him seriously because he was so small :( The dude who did him on the Animated Series had it down. :heart:

[mitchables]

Agreed. I still wonder how Mary Jane couldn't recognize Peter's voice before she found out.

You have to remember at the point (in the movies, anyway, bit different in the comics) when MJ talks to Spidey, she has no reason to believe that Peter isn't still just a nerd. I know plenty of people who sound alike. Peter is the LAST person she would be thinking of when trying to figure out who the flexible, athletic, gravity-defying, web-slinging, people-saving superhero is.

It's the same thing with Superman and his facade as Clark Kent - a lot of people have said to me over time "his secret disguise is a pair of GLASSES. As if people wouldn't realise it was him". This isn't so - for it ISN'T just the glasses, as often suggested. It's the fact that Clark is slovenly (in some cases, he has been shown as quite fat and out of shape - other times he just appears unkempt), quiet, mild-mannered, a fence-sitter and a lover of all things sugar-n-spice. When looking at a man FUELED BY THE EARTH'S SUN, built like a brick shithouse, and who has the ability to fly, see through solid objects, lift ridiculous amounts of weight and countless other amazing abilities, you're not gonna say, "heeeeeeeeeey... if he was wearing glasses...y'know...he'd look a lot like old Clarky. Must be the same guy!"

In hindsight, those paragraphs were choppy and hard to read, but I think you sorta get where I'm coming from, yeah? :$

[The Mackem]

Lando Calrissian was Tommy Lee Jones?

[mitchables]

Yes, pretty much.

[VJW]

You have to remember at the point (in the movies, anyway, bit different in the comics) when MJ talks to Spidey, she has no reason to believe that Peter isn't still just a nerd. I know plenty of people who sound alike. Peter is the LAST person she would be thinking of when trying to figure out who the flexible, athletic, gravity-defying, web-slinging, people-saving superhero is.

It's the same thing with Superman and his facade as Clark Kent - a lot of people have said to me over time "his secret disguise is a pair of GLASSES. As if people wouldn't realise it was him". This isn't so - for it ISN'T just the glasses, as often suggested. It's the fact that Clark is slovenly (in some cases, he has been shown as quite fat and out of shape - other times he just appears unkempt), quiet, mild-mannered, a fence-sitter and a lover of all things sugar-n-spice. When looking at a man FUELED BY THE EARTH'S SUN, built like a brick shithouse, and who has the ability to fly, see through solid objects, lift ridiculous amounts of weight and countless other amazing abilities, you're not gonna say, "heeeeeeeeeey... if he was wearing glasses...y'know...he'd look a lot like old Clarky. Must be the same guy!"

In hindsight, those paragraphs were choppy and hard to read, but I think you sorta get where I'm coming from, yeah? :$

Yeah, those are some good points.

[McLegend]

It was beautiful. Bruce should have a quieter, more reserved voice. He is Bruce Wayne, distinguished billionaire. Batman is dark, menacing, gruff. I love the transition in voices. Keaton didn't do it too badly, I just found it hard to take him seriously because he was so small :( The dude who did him on the Animated Series had it down. :heart:
Kevin Conroy does Batman on the animated series.

[DaBrasko]

Lando Calrissian was Tommy Lee Jones?
LOL yep in the first batman Billy Dee williams was harvey Dent

[Gouda]

He also had a contract saying that he would play Harvey Dent/Two Face in any sequels. They had to buy it out to get Tommy Lee Jones to play Two Face.

[Champion of Europa]

Budget: $135,000,000 (estimated)

That's quite the budget there. I'm looking forward to it, though.

[The Mackem]

I honestly did not know that, they should have made him walk around with a sign around his neck saying that he was black in the original film.

[El Santo]

He also had a contract saying that he would play Harvey Dent/Two Face in any sequels. They had to buy it out to get Tommy Lee Jones to play Two Face.

Interesting. I always thought that if Tim Burton was still at the helm for "Batman Forever", Billy D. would have made a great Two-Face in the somber style of the Animated Series character.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So are The Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul the lead villains in this one? If so, this is going to be awesome. There's something about it that just seems...different to most comic book movies. Maybe it's because this one just seems to be a stand-alone movie, not on relying on its comic book roots.

I'm really looking forward to this. There's just something about the way this has been done that doesn't make it scream "Batman!", yet stays truer to the story than a lot of other ventures into the franchise.

[The Miz]

Only Batman worth watching is the TV show. HOLY ATOMIC PILE BATMAN

[Gouda]

I'm not a big fan of the costume. Still much too plastic and rubbery for my tastes.

[El Santo]

Only Batman worth watching is the TV show. HOLY ATOMIC PILE BATMAN

I just watched Bravo's "20 Best Vixens" countdown last night where Catwoman placed as the #1 Vixen. (It's a very sad list, by the way, when frikkin' Barb Wire actually gets on it.) They played a clip from the 60's TV series where Batman is confronting Catwoman in her lair. It seems the conversation is done, and Batman asks here if there's anything else she needs.

The Julie Newmar Catwoman replies to the effect of "Well, I need someone to brush my pussywillows."

So, yeah... that pretty much floored me right there.

[YOUR Hero]

Also, besides you "die hards" everyone is going to relate this film as yet another Batman film in the shit series of Batman movies. This = is the main reason it needs to die for 20+ years.

[carrythezero]

I saw the first good preview for it in the theatre the other day. It looks to be very good. I'll be going to see it for sure.

[Requiem]

Saw the midnight showing with some friends tonight. Have to say, it was fucking great. Best batman movie ever. He was awesome as Batman also..

Won't give anything away... but damn, this was just great.

[Lara Emily]

Also, besides you "die hards" everyone is going to relate this film as yet another Batman film in the shit series of Batman movies. This = is the main reason it needs to die for 20+ years. Nonesense.

It's been promoted as a new start, the name makes that clear, the trailers make that clear. We have a talented and abled writer/director in Nolan and a bonifided new star in Bale (the first one to not only be a great Batman but a great Bruce Wayne too) The movie is a start of a new franchise. It's been 16 years sice the first Batman, 13 years since Batman Returns, the last good Batman movie. The previous 2 barely even relate to the first 2 anyway. Very few people, die hard or not, will see this film as being related to the others in any way, short of there being Bruce Wayne in a Bat suit and a butler named Alfred. The trailers alone set a different tone for this film than any of the others (Especially the Shumacher rave Batman ones) First sign of that is a totally new score devoid of the recongizable Batman theme.


Anywho Saw a midnight showing of it. It's awesome but actually I found it a little short even at 141 minutes. Great cast, great directing, great writing, faithful adaptation of Batman's origin. Now the key is they need to maintain actor continuity, Bale needs to be Batman in the next 2 films at least (that's what hurt the old Batman series the most imo), same with Caine as Alfred and Oldman as Gordon, Nolan needs to stay on as Co-Writer/director as well (alongside Goyer) to maintain a stylistic continuity and they should get it out within the next 3 years if at all possible. Never the less I look foward to the next one in this new series

[Shaggy]

I cant wait for it...

There was no midnight showing near my house so I was a little let down. But im going to it this morning and I cant wait.

[Shaved Monkey]

I heard that Mark Hamill may be playing the Joker in the next film. Did'nt he do the voice of the joker in one of the cartoons?

[RoXer]

Yup.

[RP]

The reviews are great for this film. At first i thought it was going to be a dud. Now i think i really want to see this.

Christian Bale has always been the man. American Psycho is one of my favorite films of all time.

[Shaggy]

GREATEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER.....

I thought it was one of the greatest things ever. Very dark....i know if I was a kid and this was my first view of batman I would be scared to death.

Very good....hope there is another

[YOUR Hero]

Nonesense.

It's been promoted as a new start, the name makes that clear, the trailers make that clear. We have a talented and abled writer/director in Nolan and a bonifided new star in Bale (the first one to not only be a great Batman but a great Bruce Wayne too) The movie is a start of a new franchise. It's been 16 years sice the first Batman, 13 years since Batman Returns, the last good Batman movie. The previous 2 barely even relate to the first 2 anyway. Very few people, die hard or not, will see this film as being related to the others in any way, short of there being Bruce Wayne in a Bat suit and a butler named Alfred. The trailers alone set a different tone for this film than any of the others (Especially the Shumacher rave Batman ones) First sign of that is a totally new score devoid of the recongizable Batman theme.


Anywho Saw a midnight showing of it. It's awesome but actually I found it a little short even at 141 minutes. Great cast, great directing, great writing, faithful adaptation of Batman's origin. Now the key is they need to maintain actor continuity, Bale needs to be Batman in the next 2 films at least (that's what hurt the old Batman series the most imo), same with Caine as Alfred and Oldman as Gordon, Nolan needs to stay on as Co-Writer/director as well (alongside Goyer) to maintain a stylistic continuity and they should get it out within the next 3 years if at all possible. Never the less I look foward to the next one in this new seriesblah blah blah... I guess that's why I hear people say; "Another Batman Movie?" Usually followed by some derogatory remark about how Batman sucks since the original.

All you did with your long post was state what I said about die hards. Yes you know all about the new direction, director, etc. You get it. Most people are not that keen at following for whatever reason, mostly because most peoiple are stupid.

[Innovator]

It brings new life into the Batman legacy...hopefully starting its own

Siiiiiiiiiick movie. Katie Holmes sucked, but the movie was excellent

[Boondock Saint]

Awesome movie. Best Batman yet.

[Lara Emily]

blah blah blah... I guess that's why I hear people say; "Another Batman Movie?" Usually followed by some derogatory remark about how Batman sucks since the original.

All you did with your long post was state what I said about die hards. Yes you know all about the new direction, director, etc. You get it. Most people are not that keen at following for whatever reason, mostly because most peoiple are stupid.
Well it's getting grand reviews and will easily win people over. So it's hardly like it's going to fail at the box office because of Batman and Robin which was 8 years ago anyway.

[Lara Emily]

Another reason for not waiting till 2018 or whatever you insist they wait, is that for the past 5-6 years (ever since X-men really) there has been a huge market for comic book films.

[Hired Hitman]

I saw the ad, is THAT big black army car the new batmobile?

[mitchables]

Absolutely sensational. Really well acted by all parties (even Katie Holmes wasn't terrible). Bale was amazing in his dual-identity as playboy and Dark Knight, and his "Batman voice" was sensational. Best Batman by FAR. And I am a die-hard fan of the two Tim Burton films, so that's saying something.

So, this is inevitable anyway... what do you foresee for the sequels, since (I believe) they are basically relaunching the series (since it has been so long since the only two "real" Batman films)?

[mitchables]

I saw the ad, is THAT big black army car the new batmobile?

Yes :love: And it ruins everyone's shit. It is fantastic :love:

[Champion of Europa]

Absolutely sensational. Really well acted by all parties (even Katie Holmes wasn't terrible). Bale was amazing in his dual-identity as playboy and Dark Knight, and his "Batman voice" was sensational. Best Batman by FAR. And I am a die-hard fan of the two Tim Burton films, so that's saying something.

So, this is inevitable anyway... what do you foresee for the sequels, since (I believe) they are basically relaunching the series (since it has been so long since the only two "real" Batman films)?

The Joker is up next for the 2nd one. Supposedly, Mark Hamil is in the lead for the part.

[Gouda]

Mark Hamil's rendition of Joker's voice is excellent.... don'tknow how HE would actually be.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yeah it'd be better if they got someone like ionno, Crispin Glover (not a recommendation, just a name that's been floated before) who has the right sort of build and look, and then dubbed him with Hamill's voice.

[Lamuella]

OK, what's going on here?

How can they just start the series over again. Sure it really sucked a lot more ass after the first movie, but I don't understand how the Bruce Wayne/Batman character just starts over.

A little help here please.

simple: it's based on the comics, not on the other movies.

note that the Batman movies in the late 80s and early 90s weren't the first Batman movies either.

regarding it failing at the box office:

1) it was brilliant
2) the theater was FULL last night.

[Lamuella]

Yes, and that is shenanigans.

Do you also call shenannigans on "Charlie and the Chocolate factory" because Depp looks nothing like Wilder?

[Downunder]

Scot you have to pretend the other Batman movies don't exist - if anyone starts talking about them you just stick your fingers in your ears and go NA NA NA NA NOT LISTENING NA NA NA NA.

And now you can say HOLY SHIT THEY'VE FINALLY MADE A BATMAN MOVIE!!!!

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!

When you block things out life is all roses again.

I can't wait for someone to make The Phantom movie HOW FUCKING COOL WOULD THAT BE?!!!!

[mitchables]

The Joker is up next for the 2nd one. Supposedly, Mark Hamil is in the lead for the part.

Yeah, I knew it would be the Joker, which I both support and am kinda iffy about. I know it's a brand new franchise and all, and the Joker has to be in the series somewhere, but having him second may confuse a lot of people into thinking they are trying to remake Burton's original Batman :-\

That said, I don't envy Mark Hamill, or anyone else who has to try and follow Jack Nicholson as the Joker. :$

Frankly though, if they ever bring back Mr. Freeze, anyone who plays him should have a pretty easy time besting their predecessor. :$

[mitchables]

I am still in awe over this movie, even the morning after. Wow. That's a multiple-viewer for sure. I have to say, there were moments when Bale was so deep into Batman (Not really a spoiler but don't really want to ruin anything: such as when he was dangling the fat cop upside down and playing bungee with his body, all the while menacingly interrogating/borderline torturing him) that I was thinking, "God, he is absolutely terrifying. Holy shit." It was fantastic.

Cast your doubts aside, Scot, you won't regret it.

[YOUR Hero]

Do to the fact there is virtually nothing else playing at the theater, if the mood to go out hits me (which usually ends with me at the theater) I wouldn't be surprised if I ended up sitting there watching it. BUT I WON'T LIKE IT

[mitchables]

Yes, you will. And you will begrudge us for being right, but you will like it. Trust me. If there was ever anything in your life you were going to trust some kid in north-east Australia who you'd only ever had cyber-sex with once about, this would be it.

[Hired Hitman]

That new batmoblie is... :-\ It hasn't got the original charm :'(

[mitchables]

That's because you haven't seen it in action. By the end of the film, I was in love with it.

[Hired Hitman]

has he got a shotgun or flamethrower? does he use the bat weapons like that flying metal bat thingy, the grappling hook, the smoke grenade or that batmobile defense shell? :cool:

[Adder]

I hear the movie tries too hard to be sardonic. That the movie has a lot of 'homeland security' feel to it.

[Blitz]

This is a great film. It is easily the best cast superhero movie ever. Forget about Bale (who seems like he was born to play this role) for a second. Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, and Liam Neeson (who I'd like to say more about but can't without spoiling the movie) all deserve to be remembered when the oscars role around, but the real prize is Cillian Murphy, who is extraordinarily creepy even without a his scarecrow mask. Please, please, PLEASE bring Scarecrow back for another movie.

Anyway, definitely see this movie, even if you aren't a comic fan. Can't wait for the sequel.

[House of Pancakes]

the cast was good, but nothing in this movie could really be considered oscar-worthy.

[mitchables]

This is a great film. It is easily the best cast superhero movie ever. Forget about Bale (who seems like he was born to play this role) for a second. Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, and Liam Neeson (who I'd like to say more about but can't without spoiling the movie) all deserve to be remembered when the oscars role around, but the real prize is Cillian Murphy, who is extraordinarily creepy even without a his scarecrow mask. Please, please, PLEASE bring Scarecrow back for another movie.

Anyway, definitely see this movie, even if you aren't a comic fan. Can't wait for the sequel.

ssss Cillian Murphy was sensationally creepy. He was really, really good. Morgan Freeman rocked my socks off as always too. As I said about Caine, he did well, and I really liked him as Alfred, but he slipped back into his Cockney accent like once or twice which sorta threw me very very slightly. But you are right, amazingly cast superhero film.

[YOUR Hero]

I took my oldest daughter to see it. It was ok, much better than all the others minus perhaps the first 'Tim Burton' Batman. I still think they need to spend more time explaining (or distancing) that this is a different Batman and not a prequel. The ending, with Gordon showing the Joker card, had the people around me saying things like; "ah, so that's where the first Batman movie they made starts"... Nevermind that with a little thinking you'd see that isn't the case, but people don't care to comprehend.

[John la Rock]

Just saw it.

AMAZING AMAZING movie. Best Comic Book Movie to date. Everything clicked perfectly

[Smitty]

I took my oldest daughter to see it. It was ok, much better than all the others minus perhaps the first 'Tim Burton' Batman. I still think they need to spend more time explaining (or distancing) that this is a different Batman and not a prequel. The ending, with Gordon showing the Joker card, had the people around me saying things like; "ah, so that's where the first Batman movie they made starts"... Nevermind that with a little thinking you'd see that isn't the case, but people don't care to comprehend.

I think the tip-off is that The Joker doesn't kill Bruce's parents in this one haha

[Lotus]

I thought it was a great movie. However, the first 30-40 minutes of the movie are hella slow, and I pondered dozing off for a few. Once Bruce Wayne starts doing his Batman shit, the movie begins to kick some serious ass.

[El Santo]

Just got back from seeing the movie.

Soo... when the Batmobile goes off-road and heads for the waterfall entrace of the Batcave, did anyone else think, "Jesus, if the police were so willing to catch this guy, can't they just follow the giant tire treads and the path of destruction?"

Anyway, pretty good movie, though I thought Bale's Batman voice was cheesy at times. Hats off to all the cast. I sorta like that this Batman is not so much a gloomy loner as the previous incarnations. The guy is surrounded by people who appreciate and help him, and he himself knows when to draw the line between vengeance and heroism.

If Joker's in the next movie, by the way, he'd better show up as Jack Napier first. How can you have a Joker movie without the famous swan dive into the vat of acid? :)

[Mr. Nerfect]

I saw this movie today. Fantastic. That's all I can say.

The start of this movie may discourage non-Batman fans in enjoying the film, but everything is all really good by the end.

I may be alone in this, but I think they should NOT have The Joker as the villain in the second movie. He's the biggest villain of them all, and I can easily see him either restarting this franchise after the second or third movie. It just seems like blowing your load holding him off for the first film, then having him in the second film.

I admit, I don't know the story and origins of all the characters in the Batman universe, but I think Harvey Dent should be introduced as a character (Two-Face as a villain would be particularly interesting in this movie-arc, since Batman is all about justice and Two-Face is more about chance). Maybe have The Penguin as a seperate villain?

It might be a more powerful way to introduce Joker if they have Batman go to visit Lucius Fox, or someone, to find their home/office has been completely turned upside down, with the person Bruce is there to see being lft in a bloody heap on the floor, with Batman's only clue being a Joker Card being left at the scene.

The following movie would then be about The Joker. I would also love to see The Scarecrow use Bane to terrorise Batman. Have Bane cripple Batman as well, with Scarecrow hamping it up, constantly remidning him that criminal activity has regained itself since Scarecrow arranged for Batman to be on the sidelines for a while.

This wouldn't follow the comics 100% accurately, but I think it could be pulled off without being offensive.

[Boondock Saint]

Glad so many people are enjoying it. Definitly a great film.

For the Joker, I'd like to see Adrian Brody.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

If Joker's in the next movie, by the way, he'd better show up as Jack Napier first. How can you have a Joker movie without the famous swan dive into the vat of acid? :)

Jack Napier was a name they made up on the first film in semi-tribute to one of the actors on the TV series who had recently died (as far as I understand it anyway)

Anyhoo, far as I know the plan at the moment is Joker for #2, and then Two-Face for #3. Those two are big enough on their own to not warrant any secondary villains.

[YOUR Hero]

Here is something I would like to see. Not always a new villian. I really for example like the direction XMen has taken with having very many of the same core villians. If there's a way to have (for example) The Joker be a recurring villian, then I think that's a direction I would like to see this series taker.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Here is something I would like to see. Not always a new villian. I really for example like the direction XMen has taken with having very many of the same core villians. If there's a way to have (for example) The Joker be a recurring villian, then I think that's a direction I would like to see this series taker.

That's sort of what I wouldn't mind seeing, but it would get hard to keep a villain in there, unless they played "coach" to another villain.

I can easily see villains being introduced one or two movies ahead. Maybe have menion of "The Penguin" in the second film (I'm not particularly fond of the character, but he's one a lot of people know well) and the introduction of Harvey Dent as a character, most likely replaced Rachel Dawes' boss in the second film. Have him play the biggest role possible in the second film, so when he becomes "Two-Face" he can really be an impactful villain on Batman's life.

[Boondock Saint]

Nolan said that he felt killing off the villains in the previous movies was a big mistake and he doesn't plan on killing off many.

[Boomer]

I saw it tonight. Fucking amazing.

[House of Pancakes]

For the Joker, I'd like to see Adrian Brody.

WHAT?

[Mr. Monday Morning]

That's sort of what I wouldn't mind seeing, but it would get hard to keep a villain in there, unless they played "coach" to another villain.

I can easily see villains being introduced one or two movies ahead. Maybe have menion of "The Penguin" in the second film (I'm not particularly fond of the character, but he's one a lot of people know well) and the introduction of Harvey Dent as a character, most likely replaced Rachel Dawes' boss in the second film. Have him play the biggest role possible in the second film, so when he becomes "Two-Face" he can really be an impactful villain on Batman's life.

Last rumour I read (and I stress these are only rumours..hell we don't even know if they'll make any more) was that Dent does indeed show up in the 2nd one, ends up prosecuting the Joker and during the trial...well, you know :shifty:

Which then leads to the 3rd

[Triple A]

K I dunno. Went into it expecting way too much, I think.

Stupid fat Roger Ebert gave it 4 stars and called it a "character study" so I was like holy shit, nice. So I went into it expecting a 4 star character study movie, which it wasn't, AT ALL. That shit was so sloppy and rushed. It felt like a five hour movie compressed to two hours. There was so much shit that just happened out of nowhere and like you have no idea wtf is happening. The movie just sorta happened, and something felt not right. Like it didn't feel like it was developed enough yet, and then it just ended.

[Lara Emily]

K I dunno. Went into it expecting way too much, I think.

Stupid fat Roger Ebert gave it 4 stars and called it a "character study" so I was like holy shit, nice. So I went into it expecting a 4 star character study movie, which it wasn't, AT ALL. That shit was so sloppy and rushed. It felt like a five hour movie compressed to two hours. There was so much shit that just happened out of nowhere and like you have no idea wtf is happening. The movie just sorta happened, and something felt not right. Like it didn't feel like it was developed enough yet, and then it just ended.
It was great but I do agree that it was too short.

[YOUR Hero]

You have to remember AAA, a character study of a comic book, really isn't the same thing. These types of movies always assume you know a lot coming in.

[Loose Cannon]

Wow, what a fucking movie. Easily beats all those other Batmans. Scarecrow was the fucking man. He was my fav in the animated series. Kind of didn't like how he got zapped by Rachel and then he was done. I like how they introduced the Joker at the end.

[YOUR Hero]

I liked the look of Gotham in Tim Burton's rendition. This new one looked too much like Chicago or something.

[Loose Cannon]

Now you comic book guys explain this to me

Was Scarecrow like one of the first villians in the comics? If not, who was?

[El Santo]

I liked the look of Gotham in Tim Burton's rendition. This new one looked too much like Chicago or something.

I like the new Gotham look. The old look was good for its time, but whenever I watch the 1990 Batman again, everything looks sorta fakey.

[Lara Emily]

I liked the look of Gotham in Tim Burton's rendition. This new one looked too much like Chicago or something.
Yeah I'll agree with you there, that's my second and last true complaint about the movie, Gotham doesn't look disinct.

[mitchables]

Now you comic book guys explain this to me

Was Scarecrow like one of the first villians in the comics? If not, who was?

The Joker was Batman's very first villain, appearing in <i>Batman #1</i> way, way back in 1940, but Scarecrow first appeared in 1941, so yes, Scarecrow was one of the very first (and coolest) Bat-villains. :love:

[egoslam]

This movie put EVERY other Batman movie to shame. Even the Tim Burton ones, and I was a huge fan of those. It just really brought out the "badass" Batman that fans of the franchise have been waiting for.

[mitch_h]

It was pretty good. I hate "quick cut" fighting that seems so popular now and days... seriously, I like to see what the fuck is going on. I mean i'd expect that from Michael Bay, but not Christopher Nolan.

[Champion of Europa]

I really really liked it. Batman is at a tie for Daredevil for my favorite superhero. I did a lot of reading about Batman before going into it, so the movie made me very happy.

I feel like jumping off my bed wearing a bat suit.

[House of Pancakes]

I really really liked it. Batman is at a tie for Daredevil for my favorite superhero. I did a lot of reading about Batman before going into it, so the movie made me very happy.

I feel like jumping off my bed wearing a bat suit.

you're a big loser.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

Went to see it today and it was pretty good.

Christian Bale = The Man

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Bale, Caine and Freeman have all signed on for sequels. Holmes has not been asked :$:D

$72m US box office through Sunday, pretty strong.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, apparently they're not happy with the Tom Cruise publicity she's getting.

Oh well, just use her unseen death as a way of getting Batman personal with The Joker. He'd go from "I'll look into it." to "I need to get this guy.", which is an awesome transformation in my book.

[Bazooka]

I loved this movie, possibly tying with X2 as my favourite comic book movie done. It definately had the psychological feel to it, which Nolan is known for. I really did enjoy the training scenes and fight scenes, but would have liked to have seen more of the fights.

Perhaps this movie could have picked up alittle more time it could have extended the fight scenes. However, I really enjoyed this movie as it is and was definately better than the 1st, although I enjoyed the Burton's Batman as well.

Christian Baile, Liam Niesan, Cicilian Murphy, Micheal Caine, Morgan Freeman, that Liutinent Gordon guy and Ken Watanabe were all perfectly casted. I'm going to have to by this on DVD.

my rating, 9.2/10.

[Champion of Europa]

you're a big loser.

:cool:

[NoRoolz]

Yeah I saw this film last weekend, and it was awesome :y:. Enjoyed it from start to finish.

[BlackDawn2024]

Batman Begins is the only Batman movie I need now. It's an absolutely amazing film that deserves all the praise it's getting. It now makes Burton's Batman look even worse, which is really not that good of a film when you look at it. It's slow, not enough Batman, and The Joker gets way to much screentime(and don't get me started on Nicholson's shitty Joker, either).

And thank you Burton and Batman 89 for convincing a legion of people that The Joker killed Batman's parents, good job. :roll:

That said...

Batman Begins>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm(AWESOME!!! :love: )>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batman 89

[Downunder]

I liked it - it wasn't great, just a good solid film.

[mitchables]

Continuing on from Kirk's mention of Crispin Glover, I found this pic online:

http://www.villainousvamps.com/crispinjoker.jpg

I could definitely see this. :love:

[Boondock Saint]

And thank you Burton and Batman 89 for convincing a legion of people that The Joker killed Batman's parents, good job. :roll:


Haha, tell me about it. One guy I talked to who loves comics but doesn't read Batman said he loved Begins except that "they changed the Joker killing Bruce's parents. That's what MAKES him Batman and connects Joker and Bruce." I was like WTFFFF

[The Mackem]

Yeah I had no idea that the Joker didn't kill Wayne's parents and I haven't seen Batman Begins and don't read the comics so it's simple common sense that people are just going to assume that the Joker did it.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

There's always artistic licencing taken with comic book movies. Even in this one - in the comics Ra'as Al Ghul is an eco-terrorist, and he sure as hell didn't train Batman. But the 'Joker killed his parents' one was a bit much, really.

[The Answer]

I hear Mark Hamel aka Luke Skywalker is being considered for the Joker role in the sequel. I thought Batman Begins was quite good but Ken Watabee was not much of a factor in the movie. He should have had a bigger role.....

[Fox]

Batman Begins is the only Batman movie I need now. It's an absolutely amazing film that deserves all the praise it's getting. It now makes Burton's Batman look even worse, which is really not that good of a film when you look at it. It's slow, not enough Batman, and The Joker gets way to much screentime(and don't get me started on Nicholson's shitty Joker, either).

And thank you Burton and Batman 89 for convincing a legion of people that The Joker killed Batman's parents, good job. :roll:

That said...

Batman Begins>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm(AWESOME!!! :love: )>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batman 89


Hey, I agree that Batman Begins is an awesome movie, but don't demean the greatness that is the first Batman movie. The Batman scenes are great and there are plenty of them - how can you say the first Batman didn't have enough Batman in it when Batman Begins goes over an hour before Batman even shows up? And Jack Nicholson's Joker was fucking amazing.

[Lara Emily]

Hey, I agree that Batman Begins is an awesome movie, but don't demean the greatness that is the first Batman movie. The Batman scenes are great and there are plenty of them - how can you say the first Batman didn't have enough Batman in it when Batman Begins goes over an hour before Batman even shows up? And Jack Nicholson's Joker was fucking amazing.

But in that hour we saw Bruce Wayne learn to become Batman, we got to see actual development of the Bruce Wayne/Batman character something the other series of movies lacked.

[Ninti the Mad]

I thought it was a great movie. However, the first 30-40 minutes of the movie are hella slow, and I pondered dozing off for a few. Once Bruce Wayne starts doing his Batman shit, the movie begins to kick some serious ass.


What the fuck.

The movie was setting the tone for the rest of the movies and you find it boring?

You are a fucking fruit.

[Ninti the Mad]

BTW, awesome movie.

I liked how they made him a complete badass taking out goons like nothing.

So fucking awesome.

[BlackDawn2024]

Hey, I agree that Batman Begins is an awesome movie, but don't demean the greatness that is the first Batman movie. The Batman scenes are great and there are plenty of them - how can you say the first Batman didn't have enough Batman in it when Batman Begins goes over an hour before Batman even shows up? And Jack Nicholson's Joker was fucking amazing.

As someone has already said, it was interesting in Begins because we see Bruce develop. We get to see why he takes the suit. In Batman 89, all we're seeing is a bunch of Joker scenes with Bruce sprinkled over it. You can change the title of Batman 89 to The Joker and I couldn't tell the difference. Not the way to do a comic book movie.

And Nicholson's Joker is not amazing, it sucks ass. It's just Jack Nicholson being Jack Nicholson.

[Disturbed316]

Saw it tonight, such an awesome film. It is definatley the best out of all the Batman's made.

[McLegend]

Just got back from seeing.

Fucking Incredible

[VJW]

The Joker was Batman's very first villain, appearing in <i>Batman #1</i> way, way back in 1940, but Scarecrow first appeared in 1941, so yes, Scarecrow was one of the very first (and coolest) Bat-villains. :love:

Didn't Detective Comics come first?

[Joey Slugs]

Continuing on from Kirk's mention of Crispin Glover, I found this pic online:

http://www.villainousvamps.com/crispinjoker.jpg

I could definitely see this. :love:

it's between him and sean penn now. they wont even talk to anyone else for the part.

[Smitty]

it's between him and sean penn now. they wont even talk to anyone else for the part.

Sean Penn!?? WTF!? Yeah, I guess he has the same jawline, but I can't see him pulling off a good Joker at all. Yeah I know how was Spicoli but that was a long long time ago, before he became a tool bag of sorts. Crispin Glover is perfect.:y:

[Fryza]

Sorry for the bump, but I just saw this movie today. I loved it to death, easily my fave comic book movie along with Sin City and X2.

Cillian Murphy was EXCELLENT. I loved how he played a calm and suave Johnathan Crane. I wished they would have made Scarecrow a little more... Scarecrowish though, that irked me. As long as he'll be back in the next movie, I'll be happy.

I mean, Joker and Scarecrow? C'mon, that's gold.

Also, ROFL @ Scarecrow setting Batman on fire and Rachel tazering Scarecrow in the face. LOL