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KayfabeMan
06-09-2005, 10:40 AM
The internet fans / writers have officially dubbed the 10th through the 12th "ECW Weekend". Shane Douglas runs Friday, CZW / IWA Mid South run Saturday [with appearances by ECW talents], Sunday is ROH [with Shane Douglas], and of course the WWE PPV.

I say WWE pay-per-view, because at the rate that they're going, there will be very little ECW about it - apart from the name. I am not going to jump and say that the show will suck, etc. - but I will say this is now turning into what it truly is: yet ANOTHER desperate attempt by McMahon to cling to the past and make money, while ignoring the fact that the present needs some fixing.

I will say that maybe .1 of the people purchasing the PPV will be buying it to see the WWE RAW/SD! led 'invasion' of the PPV. Everyone else is either a die-hard ECW fan from whatever time period they started watching, or a schmo who just learned about ECW through the DVD and/or this angle, and now is chanting 'E-C-Double U' [which is incorrect and annoying :mad: ] like they've been watching the promotion for years. Talk about jumping on bandwagons; I bet they all cheered the Florida Marlins at their last World Series win too.

Anyhow, all I want to convey here is my point of view on this situation. I will be watching the PPV Sunday at a friend's house. I will also order the DVD of the 'Hardcore Homecoming' show; which is where I believe it will all be at this weekend. In reality, I hope they are both MAJOR successes - not for WWE's wallet, or for Vince's ego in the WWE case, but for Paul Heyman - who would get to shove it in their faces that he outdid them. For Douglas, I hope it's big so that the boys walk away with a nice payday, and some good promotion.

In either event - while it will be fun to see the guys together again, NEITHER of the shows are ECW - and there never will be an ECW again. I don't care if this PPV and the invasion of this leads to a smaller ECW / WWE feud or whatever. Or if "ECW" were given a timeslot on WWE TV. It's bullshit. All of you brand-new ECW marks who think you're part of the promotion's success, or that you actually support it - get the fuck off it. You're watching WWE.

There's a chance that there can never be another time that I'll be able to go out like I used to, and pay $15 to sit in the third row ringside, and watch The Malenkos [both Dean and Joe], Hack Meyers, Taz, Foley, The Sandman, Benoit, Shane Douglas & Whipwreck. Where you could walk right up to the wrestlers and they'd spend time talking with you, like average Joes.

There's a possibility that there will never be another time that I can get invited into the locker room by 911, and hang out with Stevie Richards, Public Enemy & Too Cold Scorpio. Or get Cactus Jack's autograph and his 8x10 for $5 - all while he's bleeding all over the place.

There's also a chance that I'll never get to go to a show where for under $20, I get to see Axl and Ian Rotten, Norman Smiley, Raven, Tommy Dreamer, The Pitbulls, Marty Jannetty, Gangrel & Luna, Eddie Guerrero, and others.

There's a possibility that they'll never duplicate the later shows I went to, where hundreds of people would wait outside for a few hours complaining that it was too hot - just to get inside and spend 3 hours in the venue, where it was even hotter. Where you spent $50 at the gimmick tables, and got more than your money's worth. Where the intermission went 35 minutes, and no one cared because they were all out at said tables, getting autographs from the talents.

There's a chance that you can never remember when people would spend a few dollars on a [sometimes poorly] photocopied program that was stapled together. When upon entering the venue, there was Balls Mahoney with a Sharpie - signing autographs and taking photos. When the guy sitting in front of me got beer spilled all over him by Sandman during his entrance, and turns to me and says, "How the hell am I supposed to explain the smell to the cops if I get stopped going home?". When you didn't even get home until 2 am, because the goddamn show ran longer than you expected - and more matches were added. When you got every bit of the ticket price back, and more, in entertainment - and it didn't cost $400.

There's a possibility that you're not familiar with a time when everyone knew just about everyone else at the show, and became the regulars at all the events. Where Atlas security would pat you down and toss your pens / pencils in the giant bin next to the door. When waiting to claim your tickets on the VIP list, Tajiri will walk through the lobby and stop to say hello to everyone. It's possible there won't be another time when a big black lady asks Nova if he's HHH - and he tells her yes. There's a chance that you won't get to stand right at the exit door - and meet the talents when they leave the building. There's a possibility that you'll never give Chris Benoit directions to a local restaurant.

But with all of those possibilities, there's a definite.

You DEFINITELY cannot duplicate THE REAL ECW - or the real fans.

Lamuella
06-09-2005, 11:25 AM
*applause*
*applesauce*

beautiful stuff

Innovator
06-09-2005, 11:40 AM
E-C-Dub! E-C-Dub! E-C-Dub! E-C-Dub!

redoneja
06-09-2005, 11:48 AM
I never got a chance to go to a live ECW event but.....

you may never again get me and my best friend to abandon some girls and our friends at a school dance to go home and watch the last 25 minutes of a wrestling show on a Friday night.

Chavo Classic
06-09-2005, 12:10 PM
Man, the article makes me kinda ashamed to call myself an ECW fan. I just wish I could've been around for all that. I guess the only way i can show my respect and admiration now would be to watch both the shows and enjoy as much as possible.

Corkscrewed
06-09-2005, 12:17 PM
Oh man, that was just plain awesome, Kayfabe Man. Amazing article!

KayfabeMan
06-09-2005, 02:10 PM
Chavo Jnr Jnr, At least you're not walking around with an ECW shirt and hat, and claiming to know the guys from ECW from "way back" like Kid Kash or Rhyno - as I've heard some people say [not here on the forums].

Yet these same people have NO IDEA who 2 Cold Scorpio is, or who The Pitbulls are, or who 911 or Ian Rotten are - and they really don't fucking care, 'cause they know who RVD and Tazz are. It's completely ridiculous.

mike627
06-09-2005, 04:09 PM
I followed ECW from the old magazines and then videos and now DVD's.

mike627
06-09-2005, 04:11 PM
The internet fans / writers have officially dubbed the 10th through the 12th "ECW Weekend". Shane Douglas runs Friday, CZW / IWA Mid South run Saturday [with appearances by ECW talents], Sunday is ROH [with Shane Douglas], and of course the WWE PPV.

I say WWE pay-per-view, because at the rate that they're going, there will be very little ECW about it - apart from the name. I am not going to jump and say that the show will suck, etc. - but I will say this is now turning into what it truly is: yet ANOTHER desperate attempt by McMahon to cling to the past and make money, while ignoring the fact that the present needs some fixing.

I will say that maybe .1 of the people purchasing the PPV will be buying it to see the WWE RAW/SD! led 'invasion' of the PPV. Everyone else is either a die-hard ECW fan from whatever time period they started watching, or a schmo who just learned about ECW through the DVD and/or this angle, and now is chanting 'E-C-Double U' [which is incorrect and annoying :mad: ] like they've been watching the promotion for years. Talk about jumping on bandwagons; I bet they all cheered the Florida Marlins at their last World Series win too.

Anyhow, all I want to convey here is my point of view on this situation. I will be watching the PPV Sunday at a friend's house. I will also order the DVD of the 'Hardcore Homecoming' show; which is where I believe it will all be at this weekend. In reality, I hope they are both MAJOR successes - not for WWE's wallet, or for Vince's ego in the WWE case, but for Paul Heyman - who would get to shove it in their faces that he outdid them. For Douglas, I hope it's big so that the boys walk away with a nice payday, and some good promotion.

In either event - while it will be fun to see the guys together again, NEITHER of the shows are ECW - and there never will be an ECW again. I don't care if this PPV and the invasion of this leads to a smaller ECW / WWE feud or whatever. Or if "ECW" were given a timeslot on WWE TV. It's bullshit. All of you brand-new ECW marks who think you're part of the promotion's success, or that you actually support it - get the fuck off it. You're watching WWE.

There's a chance that there can never be another time that I'll be able to go out like I used to, and pay $15 to sit in the third row ringside, and watch The Malenkos [both Dean and Joe], Hack Meyers, Taz, Foley, The Sandman, Benoit, Shane Douglas & Whipwreck. Where you could walk right up to the wrestlers and they'd spend time talking with you, like average Joes.

There's a possibility that there will never be another time that I can get invited into the locker room by 911, and hang out with Stevie Richards, Public Enemy & Too Cold Scorpio. Or get Cactus Jack's autograph and his 8x10 for $5 - all while he's bleeding all over the place.

There's also a chance that I'll never get to go to a show where for under $20, I get to see Axl and Ian Rotten, Norman Smiley, Raven, Tommy Dreamer, The Pitbulls, Marty Jannetty, Gangrel & Luna, Eddie Guerrero, and others.

There's a possibility that they'll never duplicate the later shows I went to, where hundreds of people would wait outside for a few hours complaining that it was too hot - just to get inside and spend 3 hours in the venue, where it was even hotter. Where you spent $50 at the gimmick tables, and got more than your money's worth. Where the intermission went 35 minutes, and no one cared because they were all out at said tables, getting autographs from the talents.

There's a chance that you can never remember when people would spend a few dollars on a [sometimes poorly] photocopied program that was stapled together. When upon entering the venue, there was Balls Mahoney with a Sharpie - signing autographs and taking photos. When the guy sitting in front of me got beer spilled all over him by Sandman during his entrance, and turns to me and says, "How the hell am I supposed to explain the smell to the cops if I get stopped going home?". When you didn't even get home until 2 am, because the goddamn show ran longer than you expected - and more matches were added. When you got every bit of the ticket price back, and more, in entertainment - and it didn't cost $400.

There's a possibility that you're not familiar with a time when everyone knew just about everyone else at the show, and became the regulars at all the events. Where Atlas security would pat you down and toss your pens / pencils in the giant bin next to the door. When waiting to claim your tickets on the VIP list, Tajiri will walk through the lobby and stop to say hello to everyone. It's possible there won't be another time when a big black lady asks Nova if he's HHH - and he tells her yes. There's a chance that you won't get to stand right at the exit door - and meet the talents when they leave the building. There's a possibility that you'll never give Chris Benoit directions to a local restaurant.

But with all of those possibilities, there's a definite.

You DEFINITELY cannot duplicate THE REAL ECW - or the real fans. I agree with you.

Karlsberg
06-09-2005, 04:19 PM
Great article Kayefabe man. I started following ECW in 99 when we first started to get it over here in the UK.

I am dissapointed to say that i never followed the promotion from the beggining but have done my best to see as much of ECW since i first saw it.

The Fugitive
06-09-2005, 05:08 PM
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Gertner
06-09-2005, 08:28 PM
Chavo Jnr Jnr, At least you're not walking around with an ECW shirt and hat, and claiming to know the guys from ECW from "way back" like Kid Kash or Rhyno - as I've heard some people say [not here on the forums].

Yet these same people have NO IDEA who 2 Cold Scorpio is, or who The Pitbulls are, or who 911 or Ian Rotten are - and they really don't fucking care, 'cause they know who RVD and Tazz are. It's completely ridiculous.

Those were the fucking days Kayfabe.

Jaded-Dragon
06-09-2005, 11:54 PM
:y:

I too have many fond memories of ECW. I still regularly wear my "Our big boys kick ass!!!" T-shirt, and even though my surgeon generals warning T-shirt has a hole in hit, I still have it hanging in my closet for nostalgic value. I have my tapes of ECW's first 10 PPV's, along with 4 other tapes of their weekly Friday show on TNN. All of which I wouldn't give up for anything.

However, I don't have a problem with casual fans finally jumping on the ECW bandwagon. Do I wish it would of happened when the company was still around? Sure. But I'm happy to see the name finally gain some measure of respect with the mainstream wrestling fans. Will it change anything if they now realize how great a promotion it was, and they go back and try to buy as many tapes or dvd's as they can? No. But perhaps it will do something to secure ECW's legacy in the wrestling business.

Either way, I will also be watching the PPV this weekend, and I too hope it succeeds. Not for Vince's sake, but for guys like Paul Heyman and Tommy Dreamer so they may finally get some respect in a WWE crowd.

KayfabeMan
06-10-2005, 12:50 AM
I definitely agree with that JD - I have no problem with casual fans jumping on the bandwagon in general - but what I have a problem with are those same casual fans acting like they've watched ECW longer than those who were around for the actual thing - or that they know more. They can name about 10 ECW guys total, three of which they count as Jericho, Guerrero and Benoit; and they're not interested at all in learning about the history of the company.

Also, good post :)

Chavo Classic
06-10-2005, 04:33 AM
However, I don't have a problem with casual fans finally jumping on the ECW bandwagon. Do I wish it would of happened when the company was still around? Sure. But I'm happy to see the name finally gain some measure of respect with the mainstream wrestling fans. Will it change anything if they now realize how great a promotion it was, and they go back and try to buy as many tapes or dvd's as they can? No. But perhaps it will do something to secure ECW's legacy in the wrestling business.

I only really found out about ECW from reading Foley's book. His words conured such intense images that I just had to see what it was all about. I saw my first ECW PPV, Living Dangerously 1998, and knew i had to get as much as the action as I could. Unfortunately ECW folded about three months after my interest began. I just feel fortunate enough to have been able to appreciate it while it was around and lucky enough for Sunday's event to really mean something.



Either way, I will also be watching the PPV this weekend, and I too hope it succeeds. Not for Vince's sake, but for guys like Paul Heyman and Tommy Dreamer so they may finally get some respect in a WWE crowd.

Plus, I think Heyman will always be respected in wrestling circles, although most fans won't understand why because they are simply told or inclined to. It a shame Dreamer never really made it in the WWE, but he was too ECW, and we all know how much difficulty is caused by trying to fit ECW pieces into the WWE jigsaw.

Loose Cannon
06-10-2005, 06:17 PM
great post Kayfabe.

I wish I got into ECW a little more then I was.

I remember all my freinds back in like 96 telling me about this cool new wrestling show on Sat nights on MSG at like 2 in the morning. They said it was "real" too and of course I believed them. :lol: They always talked about the Dudley Boys and Devon actually lived up the street from me in New York. Right in a little apartment complex.

I watched it every now and then, but it was so late that I would fall asleep before getting to see it at times. Then I watched it every week when it came to TNN, but it wasn't that great then.

NoRoolz
06-11-2005, 12:44 PM
I'm not gonna call myself a hardcore ECW fan, or walk around wearing the t-shirts and stuff, I never saw ECW, I only really started watching wrestling in 1999, as a 9 year old boy and ECW wasn't on TV here in the UK (as far as I know) or if it was it'd be way past my bedtime. But I do appreciate ECW, I do appreciate guys like Heyman and Dreamer, I understand ECW and have nothing but upmost respect for the company.

Great post KayfabeMan.

The One
06-11-2005, 12:58 PM
I can not explain to you the feeling I got while reading that. Having the misfortune of only getting to see four ECW shows live, I will never be able to talk about the times I had in the Bingo Hall, but I can say with a certain level of pride, that although I and who knows how many others couldn't be in the building for the events, the impact that those men had is still being felt today. And if you're a new fan of ECW, or an old one, or hell even if you're a new fan to wrestling, please take the time to get to know the beautiful history of ECW. More then the shameless WWE "Rise and Fall" DVD which only delt with those things they could resell today, go out and find tape traders (if they are even still around) and discover for yourself what ECW truly was. You will not regret the effort.