Val Venis appreciation thread

[Tiken]

He's back! Or atleast he has been this past couple of weeks.

Val Venis! A hit wrestler from the 90's is back, and this time, hopefully he stays. I would hope the bookers and management have enough sence to keep Val Venis in the fold, he's a good wrestler who's good on the mic (obviously not the the best, but still good) and has plays a great character.

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[James Steele]

I didn't think you were an illiterate fag until I saw the hot dog.

[Hired Hitman]

The hotdog made me laugh :o

because it's in his enterance video... :-\

anyway Val is alright, not great, but alright, I like him.

[LK]

Anyone who continues to get in the ring with the liability has my respect

[Just John]

I can't beleive someone had the nerve to tell me who Val Venis is.

[Bischoff187]

I can't believe someone had the nerve to appreciate Val Venis, Wtf.

[blake639raw]

I wouldn't mind seeing him drop the porn star gimmick and become JBL's new Chief of Staff, and go back to being Chief Morley. Kick out Orlando and have him go on his own.

[DaBrasko]

Hey I was happy to see him back. It was the first time in a long time that I was really cheering for a wrestler to win a match. He has all the talent and mic skills needed but he will forever be marked with the porn gimmick.

[Kane Knight]

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...LADIES...

[Hired Hitman]

Hey I was happy to see him back. It was the first time in a long time that I was really cheering for a wrestler to win a match. He has all the talent and mic skills needed but he will forever be marked with the porn gimmick.
Which is good for scoring the ladies :naughty:

[The One]

Not bad in the ring, entertaining to watch. I don't mind seeing him back in the picture, though just because he made it on RAW two weeks in a row to do the job, doesn't really mean he is "back".

Now as for the idea of have him go be JBL's cheif of Staff, I don't know. I actually really liked the idea purposed a few days ago that Val should go form a threesome (please try to make that statement as dirty as possible) with the Heartthrobs. The problem is Val was a gimmick wrestler. It's like Dustin Rhodes, once you lose the gimmick you lose any interest in you, and it's not like you can even dawn on a new gimmick, you're stuck with it for the most part. (I specifically said "For the most part" so don't point out those that defy my statements.)

[NoRoolz]

Val Venis is great, he's way under-rated. He has more talent than 3/4 of the roster, and has stayed loyal to the company, not many people stay too long once they know they're officially buried, and stuck jobbing on Velocity (with a pornstar gimmick).

[James Steele]

Indeed, I was happy to see Val on RAW but I was not as happy when he became Master's bitch.

Val really has it all. He is not the second coming of Jericho or Guerrero but he is a good all-around talent, has great mic skills and charisma. However, I agree with The One on this one.

[Kane Knight]

Not bad in the ring, entertaining to watch. I don't mind seeing him back in the picture, though just because he made it on RAW two weeks in a row to do the job, doesn't really mean he is "back".

Now as for the idea of have him go be JBL's cheif of Staff, I don't know. I actually really liked the idea purposed a few days ago that Val should go form a threesome (please try to make that statement as dirty as possible) with the Heartthrobs. The problem is Val was a gimmick wrestler. It's like Dustin Rhodes, once you lose the gimmick you lose any interest in you, and it's not like you can even dawn on a new gimmick, you're stuck with it for the most part. (I specifically said "For the most part" so don't point out those that defy my statements.)
But what about...?:p

Naw. You're right. Try as you might, it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to escape a gimmick.

[Nark Order]

I know that it's hard to escape a gimmick but I think Val could do it. When he was working as Chief Moorely, I really enjoyed it. Didn't have a problem taking him seriously at all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've always wondered, why does everyone seem to have this thing against Val Venis' gimmick? How does it hold him down? Can't he go out there, cut a promo comparing male organs to rubix cubes, then have a A quality match with someone, get the win, and come out the next night and win again? Why can't he become World Champion with it?

Personally I think they should turn him heel, though. I've read something somewhere that Sean Morely wants to be a heel WWE Champion. I think they should just go with it.

If you really want him to shed the gimmick, have him come out and look pissed, saying he's spent the last few years of his life sucking up to the management, slapping on crappy gimmicks, kissing Bischoff's ass, playing sidekick to Stevie friggin' Richards, and getting rolls of cash sent his way just so he could come out, say he was a porn star, and get beaten by Chris Masters.

Have Morely take it even further, by saying Edge was married to his sister before he probably slept around behind her back, and where are the "You Screwed Morely" chants. Have Sean give Bischoff a choice, fire his ass so he can go to SD!, or give him a WWE Title shot. Have Austin interrupt, and have Austin talk about how they had their problems when Sean was Chief Morely, have Austin talk about how they had their problems after the 2002 Royal Rumble. Have Austin talk about how he secretly respects Morely, and have him say now has Sean done what Stone Cold Steve Austin did back in 1996, and have broken away. Have Austin then say he'd like Sean to accompany him into Stone Cold Court with Muhammad Hassan and Khosrow Daivari.

Eventually things go askew in Stone Cold Court, and we get an impromtu tag team match between Sean Morely & Stone Cold Steve Austin against Muhammad Hassan & Khosrow Daivari. During the tag team match, Morely attacks Austin from behind, then he sets out after Muhammad and Khosrow. Morely then rolls Hassan into the ring and plants him with the Blue Thunder Driver for the 1-2-3, finally pinning Hassan. Morely then hits the Blue Thudner Driver on Austin after picking him up and slapping him.

This would be a way to get Morely away from the "Val Venis" character, and move him into a more edgy character. It also aims him right at the top with him dominating Stone Cold Steve Austin, and being the first-man to pin Hassan (it would cut shot Hassan a bit, but I think Hassan is more IC level at the moment, anyway).

As long as Morely appears on TV, he'd constantly remain a hot heel, pretty much like Eddie Guerrero at the start of his run. You could pretty much have Morely win the title cleanly without it hurting John Cena too much (maybe have Christian help out) and give him his dream before he retires into a manager-type roll.

[Kane Knight]

I've always wondered, why does everyone seem to have this thing against Val Venis' gimmick? How does it hold him down?
To put it briefly...

Val Venis is a "gimmick." Not a character like most wrestlers, but a gimmick. Like the Hurricane, Rosey, Rico, etc., he's more the "colorful character" of yesteryear. That doesn't do well these days, period. He's humourous, But humour doesn't get you into the main event, or even the midcard usually. Some gimmick wrestlers make it anyway. Most don't. But I have to say, while I like Val, I don't see him getting very far in the upper part of the card. I see a better chance of Shannon Moore Going over Triple H for the WHT.

Just to point out again, I like Venis. I mention this because everytime I say someone can't make it, shouldn't be where he is, etc., it's immediately assumed I hate them. Orton, Michaels, Taker (Okay, I do kinda hate Taker these days), JBL, etc., I usually get a fanboy or two spazzing out on me.

So I've covered my ass.

[Mr. Nerfect]

To put it briefly...

Val Venis is a "gimmick." Not a character like most wrestlers, but a gimmick. Like the Hurricane, Rosey, Rico, etc., he's more the "colorful character" of yesteryear. That doesn't do well these days, period. He's humourous, But humour doesn't get you into the main event, or even the midcard usually. Some gimmick wrestlers make it anyway. Most don't. But I have to say, while I like Val, I don't see him getting very far in the upper part of the card. I see a better chance of Shannon Moore Going over Triple H for the WHT.

Just to point out again, I like Venis. I mention this because everytime I say someone can't make it, shouldn't be where he is, etc., it's immediately assumed I hate them. Orton, Michaels, Taker (Okay, I do kinda hate Taker these days), JBL, etc., I usually get a fanboy or two spazzing out on me.

So I've covered my ass.

Yeah, Venis is a gimmick, but I just don't see why they can't lend credibility to that gimmick.

Just let Venis work a match or two with Benoit or something as Sean Morely and let the fans make up their minds whether or not he is good enough. In all honestly, one of my favourite things about the JBL character was that it came out of nowhere. A DQ win against the WWE Champion at Judgment Day, then just two months later he was Champion. By Survivor Series, Sean Morely COULD be a World Champion, if they use him right.

I don't particuarly want to see it happen like that, and he doesn't need to be the Champion right now, but occasionally I wouldn't mind seeing some more of the "mainstays" in the WWE come out and win some gold. Edge, Christian and Venis are the best they're going to get right now, and for World Champions neither of them would be bad picks. Randy Orton and John Cena (while I think Cena is probably as ready as he's going to get right now) could have hung on for a little while, while they found themselves a little more.

I personally think Randy Orton, John Cena, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, Carlito Caribbean Cool, Matt Morgan, Doug Basham & Danny Basham should be winning the IC and US Titles right now, with Jericho, Benoit, Triple H, JBL, Shawn Michaels, Edge, Christian, Kane, The Undertaker, The Big Show, Booker T, Kurt Angle, Val Venis, Eddie Guerrero & Rey Mysterio get their time to shine nowadays.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, Venis is a gimmick, but I just don't see why they can't lend credibility to that gimmick.
They probably could, but they won't. It would take a lot of effort to breed an environment in which a gimmick wrestler has the same kind of credibility as the regular roster. Not to mention they'd have to somehow erase the time he spent jobbing as an undercarder, and then make him look strong and viable.

[Kane Knight]

I don't want to see Val with the title, frankly. I'm a fan, but I think that ship has sailed.

I think that they do need to give more of the people you mentioned a chance to shine. fortunately, most of them are already getting some...Maybe not the big pushes, but it's worthwhile. I disagree on some people...Taker's time to shine has past. I think Kane's in the same boat as Venis. For the most part though, I think they should be running with their strengths, and using that to promote newer people with strengths of their own. But Val isn't a new wrestler, and I'm not sure the character can carry the ball.

[PureHatred]

Y'know, when the WWE played down the whole porn star thing and let Venis work as a bad-ass heel type during his IC Title feud with Rikishi, I thought that was solid work. I enjoyed their program and actually loved the pay-off match (steel cage...Keesh dives off the top..can't remember that PPV..but meh). Especially surprising to me because I always hated anything associated with Rikishi.

So Venis has talent. And JBL pretty much proves its never to late to let a wrestler run with the ball.

But realistically, Raw is loaded with talent and there's just no time to devote to getting him over. He's best served doing what he does now....put guys over in the ring and fill-out the undercard on Monday Nights or the occasional main event on Heat.

If anything, get him regular a tag team partner and let him play the Hardcore Holly role on Raw. The respected veteran. Just less....douchebaggery.

[Just John]

Actually I wouldn't mind seeing Val Venis as a mid card on SmackDown with some time on the mic

[Jordan]

I was talking about this the other day, Venis has a GREAT arsenal of moves that nobody does, and plus he is great on the mic. I would love to see him and Masters have a huge feud, that would be awesome. GIVE HIM THE IC TITLE!!!

[Tiken]

I dont think Venis with the title would run very well, give him the IC title but not the HWC.

[Kane Knight]

I dont think Venis with the title would run very well, give him the IC title but not the HWC.
Now THAT would work.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sending Venis straight up to the big leagues probably isn't a good idea, but if the WWE had him beat Shelton Benjamin for the IC Title (or had Hassan beat Benjamin, and Venis beat Hassan), or had him go over to SmackDown! and beat Orlando Jordan for the US Title, it certainly opens more doors up to him, and if the fans accept him, he MAY be able to fill-in a top role occasionally.