This Matt Hardy thing is a work.

[RP]

I think its a work. I think Matt Hardy and Edge, being the friends that they are. Got together with Vince and planned a brilliant work. Matt probably was still a couple more month away from returning to the ring in full fashion. He probably had alot of rust. So they decided to use the Internet fans. They cam up with this plan to spread this rumor that Lita and Matt broke up in real life because of Edge. Once it leaked. It took off! Matt was fired to draw major heat and major attention to the issue. Once he was fired ... the word spread to the fanboi's. Everyone knew now. So Matt used his internet site to play it up big time. I mean seriously... think about it. Who the fuck gets screwed by his friend who screwed his girlfriend. Then comes on his internet site and tells the whole world. Albiet looking like a jackass. So he continued to post shit on his wrestling site after he got fired to keep the Internet fans and the basic fans intrested. Then out of nowhere we have Heyman do a "Shoot" on Edge about "hiding you wives" and " Matt "Friggin " Hardy.


First of all folks. I'm not saying Heymans whole shoot was fake. I think 90% of it was real, but listen. You would have to think that we would have heard something about Edge and Heyman in a confrontation backstage since they were at the "Same show". Nothing happend. What did Edge just walk past Heyman and go " { giggly school girl} Hey great shoot Paul E.". Motherfuck No! Edge would have had some shit to say and someone would have been there to see it and we would have heard a fucking thing by now. It was fake.

Whats going to happen now is... Edge is going to start cutting promos about this shit in the next couple weeks. Then he's gunna get drafted to Smackdown with the 4th pick and you know who will be the 5th pick? Matt " Friggin " Hardy . How you ask? Simple. Teddy Long will simply state that Matt " friggin " Hardy was fired from " The Raw Brand " and now he is getting hired on the Smackdown brand.

And who do you think he will feud with first?

[Dave Youell]

They used the Matt Hardy thing to prove that it was Heyman running the show and that he was shooting, I really don't think this is a work as they never and I mean NEVER try to get a story across to just the net fans.

If it were a work more would have been mentioned over the past couple of weeks and if your a mark without the net and you watched that show on Sunday, Matt Freaking Hardy would mean nothing to you.

[RP]

I know this is far fetched , but i think its possible.

[RP]

There's something so odd about the whole situation. At first i thought it was dead real. Now i'm really starting to question this shit man. I can see everything I said to be possible. The firing of Matt Hardy in the first place looked so shadey that it seemed to good to be true. Firing a guy for posting his (moronic) emotions on the internet. Thats just stupid to "seriously" fire someone over. Something is up.

[Dave Youell]

There's something so odd about the whole situation. At first i thought it was dead real. Now i'm really starting to question this shit man. I can see everything I said to be possible. The firing of Matt Hardy in the first place looked so shadey that it seemed to good to be true. Firing a guy for posting his (moronic) emotions on the internet. Thats just stupid to "seriously" fire someone over. Something is up.
The WWE take that kind of thing seriously.

Brock Lesner himself said if he saw anyone on the internet he'd kill them before mania 19.

This isn't a work, Matt is taking indy bookings, why would he be doing that if he's not fired?

[Bad Company]

I was thinking the same thing earlier, it's just getting a little over the top.

[wrathchildCEW]

I highly doubt it's a work. Just because I'm praying for the FWA to get Matt over to the UK soon. :p

On a side note, who else found Edge & co's reaction to "two words... Matt freakin' Hardy" hilarious? "That was 3 words!" :lol:

[Dave Youell]

I highly doubt it's a work. Just because I'm praying for the FWA to get Matt over to the UK soon. :p

On a side note, who else found Edge & co's reaction to "two words... Matt freakin' Hardy" hilarious? "That was 3 words!" :lol:
Matt is in the UK in October for 1pw

[Dave Youell]

According to PWInsider Audio:

"Paul Heyman's "shoot" was different. His shoot on Edge was planned. Edge was told about it earlier in the day and was said to be completely fine with it. With Heyman's shoot on JBL, it was not planned and Vince was watching it on a monitor backstage. Vince was initially surprised about what Heyman said, but eventually laughed about it, saying, "I don't care, he put Triple H over."
YEY!

They're not going to get fired! :y:

[Corkscrewed]

LMAO at Vince's comments.

Anyway, I don't have the faith in the WWE to pull off such a complicated shoot, because that would only be the most brilliant thing ever. Well, not ever, but still quite smart. And we know that can't happen.

But yeah... LMAO at "I don't care, he put Triple H over." :y: :y:

[Savio]

:lol: at Vince.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, okay. Congrats for being the 50th person to make this statement.

[Just John]

I think you want Matt back to much and I cant blame you I would fucking celebrate if it was real though

[Corkscrewed]

If he's the 50th, he should get a golden cookie.

[SuperSlim]

I mean uhhh yeah it wasn't planned... yeah it wasn't planned

[Mayo]

If this whole thing was a work, I don't believe that Matt Hardy would be too happy with Edge kissing his girlfriend almost every week on Raw :wtf:

[Chavo Classic]

There's a great interview with Matt Hardy in this month's Power Slam magazine (in the UK). Talks in depth about most of the recent events in his life and other happenings too.

Judging from the article itself I doubt it is a work. Hardy seems genuinely upset although his positive outlook on the future is admirable. Give it a read.

[Kane Knight]

If this whole thing was a work, I don't believe that Matt Hardy would be too happy with Edge kissing his girlfriend almost every week on Raw :wtf:
The next thing to hit the WWE is "WWE Wife Swap," Another attempt at a reality show.

This is actually the trial run. Edgegets Lita, and Matt gets Edge's hand (SinceEdge isn't married onscreen, TMK)

[Shadow]

..........................you guys are all idiots.

But hey....that's what I get.

[Dave Youell]

..........................you guys are all idiots.

But hey....that's what I get.
Riiiiight, there's 2 different opinions on here, on a 50/50 question, yet everyone on here is an idiot.

Good call :y:

[Kane Knight]

He's just stoned again. The incoherrent paranoia is living proof.

[cafctom]

I think it would be too much to be true for it all to be a work.

I do believe that the shoot thing at ECW from Heyman may have been a work because if it were genuine, I think Edge may have been a bit more shocked/angry than what he looked.

However, I don't believe that Matt Hardy is returning or still has ties with the WWE.

[Sepholio]

Something something something I get weeded,
My daughter scribled over that line, I couldn't read it

But anyways, if it's a work, it is awesome. However, this is like 99% unlikely.

Unfortunate that Matt loses his job over this situation, but when working in a business of men, acting like a baby and whining to the internet is a big no-no.

[Gouda]

The buying of WCW by WWF is just all a work too. Just watch.

[Lamuella]

yes, it was a work! Better yet it was all a bad dream. That slut Lita didn't get Matt fired and everything's all right in the land of unicorns and cotton candy clouds.

[El Santo]

The buying of WCW by WWF is just all a work too. Just watch.

Yes, both feds were actually bought by ECW, which explains the high quality of the ECW DVD and how the ECW guys got away with so many things on the PPV. Also, it explains the absence of Paul Heyman, who really has been manipulating everything behind the scenes. I mean, did you really think that Vince would ever make Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero co-champions?

We're through the looking glass, gentlemen....

[FourFifty]

I hope the whole Matt Hardy thing is a work, but I also hope that someone lights the supermarket that I work at on fire and I still somehow get a paycheck. If it is a work, I am so gonna spring a woody.

[Crashnburn]

I was thinking the same thing earlier, it's just getting a little over the top.

Riiiiiiight, and the whole Montreal Screw Job wasn't way over the top when it happened. But that's just a work too... just wait Bret's going to make his big re-debut any day now. :roll:

[Bad Company]

Riiiiiiight, and the whole Montreal Screw Job wasn't way over the top when it happened. But that's just a work too... just wait Bret's going to make his big re-debut any day now. :roll:
Oh shut the fuck up

[.44 Magdalene]

We're really inside Matt Hardy v2...the Mattrix.

:shifty:

Oh God, here comes the neg rep.

[Corkscrewed]

:rofl:



So sue me for laughing at a corny joke. :rant:


:shifty:

[Kane Knight]

You'll be hearing from my lawyers...As soon as I find which rock they're hiding unde.r

[Mr. Nerfect]

I personally think it's all realy, but if it is a work, it might make sense the way they started it. If my memory serves me correctly, Matt took all the photos of Lita off his website. Hardy then got questions asking "Why did you take the photos down?", to which Hardy replied "Why don't you ask her?".

If I was going to do a work, that's how I'd kick it off. Don't commit yourself, but plant some firm seeds.

It may not make sense to choose Matt Hardy to carry out your work around, but I did read something about his submitted promos getting good reviews from Triple H. And it may not have actually been started by the office. I can easily see Hardy and Edge planning this, or even a real dispute between Hardy and Lita taking place, and the WWE taking advantage of it when it catches on.

I'm not saying it is a work, because that's extremely unlikely, but I will mark out if next week, Hardy objects to the wedding after Kane is ejected from the building, and he goes nuts with a briefcase. Hell, even better if they pull a Bischoff and have Hardy disguised as the priest, and when he gets tot the end he says somthing like "...through richness...and through the unfortunate twists of fate." *BAM* Twist of Fate. Hardy then reveals himself we have a *MARK OUT MOMENT!*.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But yeah, no way this is a work, 'cause Lita would have botched it by now. :shifty:

[zach]

for all the people who seem to be overlooking this

According to PWInsider Audio:

"Paul Heyman's "shoot" was different. His shoot on Edge was planned. Edge was told about it earlier in the day and was said to be completely fine with it. With Heyman's shoot on JBL, it was not planned and Vince was watching it on a monitor backstage. Vince was initially surprised about what Heyman said, but eventually laughed about it, saying, "I don't care, he put Triple H over."

[Dave Youell]

for all the people who seem to be overlooking this
What are you trying to say?

[Chavo Classic]

What are you trying to say?

I think it was a response to this...



I think it would be too much to be true for it all to be a work.

I do believe that the shoot thing at ECW from Heyman may have been a work because if it were genuine, I think Edge may have been a bit more shocked/angry than what he looked.

Further - just because it's a shoot doesn't mean the other guy is going to fall to the floor, roll around, choke on his pride and die... Look at JBL, the guy just laughed it off.

[HHH = 3 H's Too Many]

I already posted that the whole thing is a work. Months ago. In a forum about the events that happened on RAW when Lita slid/botched the briefcase into the ring. Like I said then, it does not hurt anybody, but it draws viewers, frees up Matt to do as he pleases (even come back to WWE when they feel he can get huge face-ness after it all blows over), gives Edge an enormous heel push (even though his crazed dumbass look gets him #1 heel every time...), and... well, they got Lita to make out with another guy on camera... thus giving her an opportunity to take her skills to porn if nothing else works out...

[Tornado]

I'm not saying it is a work, because that's extremely unlikely, but I will mark out if next week, Hardy objects to the wedding after Kane is ejected from the building, and he goes nuts with a briefcase. Hell, even better if they pull a Bischoff and have Hardy disguised as the priest, and when he gets tot the end he says somthing like "...through richness...and through the unfortunate twists of fate." *BAM* Twist of Fate. Hardy then reveals himself we have a *MARK OUT MOMENT!*.

lol, that would be fucking awsome. Shame it won't happen though...:(

[Kane Knight]

for all the people who seem to be overlooking this
We're not overlooking it, it just doesn't mean shit.

You're overlooking the booking's Matt Hardy's already taking.

[RP]

We're not overlooking it, it just doesn't mean shit.

You're overlooking the booking's Matt Hardy's already taking.


Rehab assignments. If they sent him to OVW it wouldnt be much of a work. :roll:

[Batsu]

LMAO at Vince's comments.

Anyway, I don't have the faith in the WWE to pull off such a complicated shoot, because that would only be the most brilliant thing ever. Well, not ever, but still quite smart. And we know that can't happen.

But yeah... LMAO at "I don't care, he put Triple H over." :y: :y:

Yeah, that's what I was thinking Vince would say about the whole ECW show. "I don't care, they're taking a big fat dump on WCW."

[RP]

Matt Hardy is coming back tonight. He's gunna interfere in the wedding. :shifty:

[RP]

Its a work. I'm telling you guys. He's gunna come back at Vengence. Its going to be good.

[RP]

They wanted to get Matt over as a huge face. They wanted to get Edge over as a major heel and they wanted to get Lita over as a skank slut ( because she is a diva you know). They are accomplishing all of this in one big angle. Its brilliant.

And let me say this....


If this isnt a work and they are just fueling the fire to be dicks. There idiots. True idiots that will have books and documentarys written and shot about how they were huge fucking idiots in not seeing the golden oppurtunity to do this storyline.

Its a fucking work and its great.

[RP]

Edge is getting major heel heat too.

[Kane Knight]

Its a work. I'm telling you guys. He's gunna come back at Vengence. Its going to be good.
You know, at this point, even if he comes back, it doesn't prove it's a work.

[Kane Knight]

Edge is getting major heel heat too.
Edge is getting X-Pac heat.

[RP]

Edge is getting X-Pac heat.


Not if they bring Hardy back. If Matt comes back and a major fued starts. That heel heat will be legit. Not just a " boooooooo next segment " kind of heat.

[LK]

It's looking more and more like a work. Edge allowing Paul Heyman to say what he said at ONS, Matt's music playing on Raw. If he isn't coming back and they did that just for the sake of it, then it's really quite a low thing to do. But if this whole thing comes off, then I will take my hat off to the WWE.

BTW Edge gets X-Pac heat.

[Xero]

I saw a good point on the Matt Hardy message board. Someone said that they wouldn't be promoting someone who doesn't work for them this close to the end of their 90-day no compete clause. I mean, think about it. The WWE does this, and Matt shows up on the next TNA PPV. The WWE just gave TNA free promotion for (arguably) one of their biggest stars.

I wouldn't put it past Vince to send Matt a big 'fuck you', but I don't believe that the WWE would knowingly promote an outside talent who can potentially go to their biggest competitor, either.

[Innovator]

Honestly with the way TNA is going...WHY would Matt want to go to TNA? Money with WWE...2 or 3 paydays a month with TNA. Sure he can work ROH as well, but he'd be better off going back to WWE.

[LK]

I don't see what the WWE has to gain by doing this stuff if Matt Hardy isn't coming back. Besides from looking like the biggest bunch of dickheads on the planet, they would be promoting a talent who doesn't even work for them.

[Loose Cannon]

1) The Hardy thing is not a work. Yea, Matt still might come back after all this, but it was real from the start

2) I'm convinced the thing last night was just to see the reaction Matt Hardy would get if he came back. Would anybody care? Obviously they see people care.

3) Everyone can have there own opinions, but I don't see Edge getting X-pac heat at all. He may have during the first few weeks of his turn, but to me, it's legit now.

4) I bet Matt resigns by Summerslam

[The Answer]

If this isn't a work that was still pretty classless, playing his theme and all.

[Shadow]

Very very classless of them. As I discussed with someone very very close to the situation over the phone earlier.

[Kane Knight]

1) The Hardy thing is not a work. Yea, Matt still might come back after all this, but it was real from the start

2) I'm convinced the thing last night was just to see the reaction Matt Hardy would get if he came back. Would anybody care? Obviously they see people care.

3) Everyone can have there own opinions, but I don't see Edge getting X-pac heat at all. He may have during the first few weeks of his turn, but to me, it's legit now.

4) I bet Matt resigns by Summerslam
1) Yeah, pretty common sense.

2) That makes sense.

3) Hence the "Boring" chants, right?

4) Prolly sooner.

[Kane Knight]

Very very classless of them. As I discussed with someone very very close to the situation over the phone earlier.
yeah, but the son of the next door neighbor of the guy who used to babysit Matt and Jeff doesn't really count as close.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think it is a work, but I think they're starting to play us now. I agree with LC, in that the playing of Matt Hardy's theme was to test the fans for "Mattstabators", and I think the WWE must be flipping the coin on whether or not the should fly Matt Hardy to Las Vegas for Vengeance.

How awesome would it be if during the Kane vs. Edge match, the referee is knocked down, and Edge is about to hit Kane with the Money in the Bank briefcase, when all of a sudden on the titantron the words "Matt Fact" appear. Then in typical Mat Hady fashion, the words "You Screwed Matt" appear under "Matt Fact", before "Now I Screw You" joins it. "Live for the Moment" then plays and out runs Hardy to cost Edge the match. Maybe even have him hit Kane when the match is done as well, just to highlight th epas they have together as well. I suppose you could have Matt Hardy serve as the Special Guest Referee, also.

The WWE has a chance to make a potential "megastar" out of Hardy here, so I hope they take it, because the WWE needs all the potential stars it can take.

Why all the sudden hate for Edge as a performer? The stuff he was doing in 2002 with Kurt Angle was top quality stuff. Why does everyone dislike him now? Edge can still go, and he has put on entertaining matches constantly since his return to RAW. Some have been head-and-shoulders above the rest, but I wouldn't say his other stuff has been awful.

The only downside to the character he's playing now is that it's more "RAAAAHHHH Edge" and less "Sodas Rule Edge". I think he should be trying to channel a little bit more of his less psychotic character, especially sinced he's got his destiny in his hands, in unscrewable fashion.

[Shadow]

Why all the sudden hate for Edge as a performer? The stuff he was doing in 2002 with Kurt Angle was top quality stuff. Why does everyone dislike him now? Edge can still go, and he has put on entertaining matches constantly since his return to RAW. Some have been head-and-shoulders above the rest, but I wouldn't say his other stuff has been awful.

The only downside to the character he's playing now is that it's more "RAAAAHHHH Edge" and less "Sodas Rule Edge". I think he should be trying to channel a little bit more of his less psychotic character, especially sinced he's got his destiny in his hands, in unscrewable fashion.

It's the character he's playing and the fact that he's using real life to garner heat that he's got so much hatered going towards him. That's all.

[Kane Knight]

Why all the sudden hate for Edge as a performer? The stuff he was doing in 2002 with Kurt Angle was top quality stuff.
Yeah.

So if he was good at one point, we should still love him?

I'm sorry, but there's a reason he got booed more when he came back as a face than when he turned heel.

There's a reason that you had to go back to 2002 for an example. The same reason people can hate 2005 Hunter, while admitting 2000 Hunter was great.

Here's the bottom line: You're only really as good as your last promo. I liked Oldschool E&C as the retarded surfer guys. That doesn't mean the current shit Edge is doing entertains me. Apparently it wasn't that entertaining to others, because he got more heat as a face than as a heel, until he "screwed Matt" (or rather, til everyone found out about it).

What's wrong with Edge of late (Since his return) is simple: If you put forth goof product, more people will watch it. If you put out crap, less people will watch it.

Tons of the people I hate/bash/whatever are people I used to like, and appreciate for what they did in the past. Taker, Triple H, Hogan/Austin/insert boring fossil here, yes, Edge...

What's changed? This is consumer entertainment. Their job is to entertain us. It's like fast food, and we've gone from the whopper to the dollar menu.

[.44 Magdalene]

I keep thinking I'm going to wake up and my entire life is a work. This whole situation is freaking...me...OUT. Seriously. What if the JBL / Blue Meanie thing is really a work, and Blue Meanie was hired by the WWE? What if he interferes in a big PPV match involving JBL? What if the WWE / WWF lawsuit was a work?! What if like, Vince McMahon's in the middle of a big speech, and suddenly the WWF's music hits and the Attitude era starts all over again?! Or imagine it's the middle of Wrestlemania XXIIIVK or whatever the hell the next one is. Batista's in the middle of the ring, having made a massive heel turn, choking some guy with a repelling line...and suddenly the Blue Blazer's theme music hits the P.A....

:shifty: Alright, alright, I'll stop.

[Amaroqwolf]

I keep thinking I'm going to wake up and my entire life is a work. This whole situation is freaking...me...OUT. Seriously. What if the JBL / Blue Meanie thing is really a work, and Blue Meanie was hired by the WWE? What if he interferes in a big PPV match involving JBL? What if the WWE / WWF lawsuit was a work?! What if like, Vince McMahon's in the middle of a big speech, and suddenly the WWF's music hits and the Attitude era starts all over again?! Or imagine it's the middle of Wrestlemania XXIIIVK or whatever the hell the next one is. Batista's in the middle of the ring, having made a massive heel turn, choking some guy with a repelling line...and suddenly the Blue Blazer's theme music hits the P.A....

:shifty: Alright, alright, I'll stop.

You....frighten...me...... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[LK]

vBulletin Message
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Kane Knight again.

[Excellance of Execution]

I don't see what the WWE has to gain by doing this stuff if Matt Hardy isn't coming back. Besides from looking like the biggest bunch of dickheads on the planet, they would be promoting a talent who doesn't even work for them.


You guy's need to remember, the WWE did the same BS when Bret Hart left for WCW. I remember on a Raw Episode, HBK called out Bret, or something along those lines, and Bret's music hit, and out came a midget that looked like Bret. So keep in mind, don't put it past the WWE to do stupid crap like this.

[LK]

You guy's need to remember, the WWE did the same BS when Bret Hart left for WCW. I remember on a Raw Episode, HBK called out Bret, or something along those lines, and Bret's music hit, and out came a midget that looked like Bret. So keep in mind, don't put it past the WWE to do stupid crap like this.
:lol: Oh yeah, that was great.

*HBK puts the midget in the sharpshooter*
HHH: Bret, do you quit Bret?
Midget: Ring the bell! Ring the bell!

[HHH = 3 H's Too Many]

Heh, just thought of it, but this could also be a Vinnie Mac type of vengeance towards his wrestling fans on the net. We already know he doesn't like us, but he wants to make us feel foolish as well... Just a though though

[Dorkchop]

Why all the sudden hate for Edge as a performer? The stuff he was doing in 2002 with Kurt Angle was top quality stuff. Why does everyone dislike him now? Edge can still go, and he has put on entertaining matches constantly since his return to RAW. Some have been head-and-shoulders above the rest, but I wouldn't say his other stuff has been awful.

He only looked good because he was wrestling Kurt Angle. Edge has had good matches, but lately I've been wondering if it's because those matches were against good workers like Eddie, Christian, Angle, Benoit, and so forth.

[Kane Knight]

Heh, just thought of it, but this could also be a Vinnie Mac type of vengeance towards his wrestling fans on the net. We already know he doesn't like us, but he wants to make us feel foolish as well... Just a though though
Wow. And since nobody else has thought of this, your insight is welcome and...Well, insightful.

[Kane Knight]

He only looked good because he was wrestling Kurt Angle. Edge has had good matches, but lately I've been wondering if it's because those matches were against good workers like Eddie, Christian, Angle, Benoit, and so forth.
But he was entertaining. His strength wasn't exactly in the ring.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah.

So if he was good at one point, we should still love him?

I'm sorry, but there's a reason he got booed more when he came back as a face than when he turned heel.

There's a reason that you had to go back to 2002 for an example. The same reason people can hate 2005 Hunter, while admitting 2000 Hunter was great.

Here's the bottom line: You're only really as good as your last promo. I liked Oldschool E&C as the retarded surfer guys. That doesn't mean the current shit Edge is doing entertains me. Apparently it wasn't that entertaining to others, because he got more heat as a face than as a heel, until he "screwed Matt" (or rather, til everyone found out about it).

What's wrong with Edge of late (Since his return) is simple: If you put forth goof product, more people will watch it. If you put out crap, less people will watch it.

Tons of the people I hate/bash/whatever are people I used to like, and appreciate for what they did in the past. Taker, Triple H, Hogan/Austin/insert boring fossil here, yes, Edge...

What's changed? This is consumer entertainment. Their job is to entertain us. It's like fast food, and we've gone from the whopper to the dollar menu.

I'm not saying you should still like the guy, I'm just wondering why some people are acting like he's done nothing worthwhile in his career. Some act as if he is absolutely horrible in the ring, which I disagree with.

Edge's current character may not be as interesting as his last few, but you can see Edge is trying to channel as much of his entertaining persona as possible. I don't think it's fair to blame Edge for the direction his character is taking. The WWE want this semi-psychotic Edge, and it's a character Edge just can't make too interesting. He can play it alright, but he just can't seem to hold interest. Perhaps that's his fault, but I think it is equally the WWE's for not fitting a character Edge can be entertaining in (because he's shown us he can be entertaining) to him.

I'm not saying like the guy, I'm just asking why there is sudden hate for this man, and his abilities.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He only looked good because he was wrestling Kurt Angle. Edge has had good matches, but lately I've been wondering if it's because those matches were against good workers like Eddie, Christian, Angle, Benoit, and so forth.

That's a good point. I've felt that as well. Edge has proven he is perfectly capable, but I think he makes a better follower in the ring than a leader. If you give him an opponent of Benoit's calibur, you get a Benoit-calibur match, but if you put him in the ring with someone below average in ring ability, Edge usually drops to those levels, too.

Edge is the perfect wrestling chameleon, so it makes sense he gets put with guys that can carry a solid tune in a match. Benoit, Eddie & Rey are on SD!, and Angle, Jericho, Christian & HBK are on RAW. That's probably why Edge makes a better supporting main event than a lead one.

[Kane Knight]

I'm not saying you should still like the guy, I'm just wondering why some people are acting like he's done nothing worthwhile in his career. Some act as if he is absolutely horrible in the ring, which I disagree with.

Edge's current character may not be as interesting as his last few, but you can see Edge is trying to channel as much of his entertaining persona as possible. I don't think it's fair to blame Edge for the direction his character is taking. The WWE want this semi-psychotic Edge, and it's a character Edge just can't make too interesting. He can play it alright, but he just can't seem to hold interest. Perhaps that's his fault, but I think it is equally the WWE's for not fitting a character Edge can be entertaining in (because he's shown us he can be entertaining) to him.

I'm not saying like the guy, I'm just asking why there is sudden hate for this man, and his abilities.
His wrestling has always been sub-par. What made him entertaining was his mic skills and the people he was up against. And no, people suddenly bashing Edge doesn't mean they're denying he ever did anything worthwhile...No more than any other sentiment.

[Kane Knight]

That's a good point. I've felt that as well. Edge has proven he is perfectly capable, but I think he makes a better follower in the ring than a leader. If you give him an opponent of Benoit's calibur, you get a Benoit-calibur match, but if you put him in the ring with someone below average in ring ability, Edge usually drops to those levels, too.

Edge is the perfect wrestling chameleon, so it makes sense he gets put with guys that can carry a solid tune in a match. Benoit, Eddie & Rey are on SD!, and Angle, Jericho, Christian & HBK are on RAW. That's probably why Edge makes a better supporting main event than a lead one.
Being carried does not prove you are capable.

[PureHatred]

Being carried does not prove you are capable.

Hey, but some guys turned an ability to be carried into a long, lucrative career.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Being carried does not prove you are capable.

I don't think Edge was carried, I think he is just unable to carry. It takes two to have an excellent match. Edge has had his fair of excellent matches. Edge by himself may not be an A+ wrestler, but if you put him in the ring with one you would likely get A+ results.

So I wouldn't say Edge needs to be carried. I'd say he needs a good partner to dance with, though.

[PureHatred]

I don't think Edge was carried, I think he is just unable to carry. It takes two to have an excellent match. Edge has had his fair of excellent matches. Edge by himself may not be an A+ wrestler, but if you put him in the ring with one you would likely get A+ results.

So I wouldn't say Edge needs to be carried. I'd say he needs a good partner to dance with, though.


What you just wrote there is the textbook definition of being carried.

Look at it this way, some guys can't even be carried to a good match....

[Kane Knight]

What you just wrote there is the textbook definition of being carried.

Look at it this way, some guys can't even be carried to a good match....
I'd add more...But you nailed it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What you just wrote there is the textbook definition of being carried.

Look at it this way, some guys can't even be carried to a good match....

LOL, yeah I realised that, and I had trouble wording it. Basically what I meant is Edge doesn't NEED to be carried to a good match. He's capable of doing alright by himself. I would say "aided" is a better word to suit Edge. There are some guys who need a great opponent in the ring to have a solid match. And as you said, some can't even be carried to a good match.

It sort of reminds me of Randy Orton in a way. Talented enough to have a solid match, but needs someone on that "higher level" to really put on anything better (although he probably has more chance to improve).

[Kane Knight]

Edge isn't a solid worker though.

Like Orton, he mostly got over on his Charisma. Now, with an unentertaining gimmick and boring delivery that's starting to make SNitsky look good, it may not be...His...FAULT!, but he's still not entertaining. And relying on his ring skills is about as good as relying on Goldberg's Mic skills

[LK]

Matt Hardy posted a message on www.thematthardy.com "breaking his silence" by writing, "I've had an amazing few days and I am ecstatic about my future. I want to thank everyone who has been supportive and believes in me--you mean so much more to me than you'll ever know. Wherever I end up in the future, I just want you guys to stick with me and continue to believe in me. I promise I won't let you down. I will prove that nice guys do finish first. I will prove that anything is possible if you work hard enough for it." Hardy closed out the post by saying, "That was a hell of a reaction I got in Phoenix, Arizona, considering I was in North Carolina--gotta love those MFer's."

[LK]

Not denying anything

[Kane Knight]

Matt Hardy posted a message on www.thematthardy.com (http://www.thematthardy.com) "breaking his silence" by writing, "I've had an amazing few days and I am ecstatic about my future. I want to thank everyone who has been supportive and believes in me--you mean so much more to me than you'll ever know. Wherever I end up in the future, I just want you guys to stick with me and continue to believe in me. I promise I won't let you down. I will prove that nice guys do finish first. I will prove that anything is possible if you work hard enough for it." Hardy closed out the post by saying, "That was a hell of a reaction I got in Phoenix, Arizona, considering I was in North Carolina--gotta love those MFer's."
This pretty much sounds like he's planning on returning.

[RP]

I told you this 2 weeks ago . God!

[Kane Knight]

I told you this 2 weeks ago . God!
No, you said the whole thing was a work. There's a world of difference

[RP]

No, you said the whole thing was a work. There's a world of difference

So you think it was for real at one point and now the WWE see's they can make some money so they hired Hardy back?

I could see that happening. I suppose.

[Kane Knight]

So you think it was for real at one point and now the WWE see's they can make some money so they hired Hardy back?

I could see that happening. I suppose.
More or less.

I think he was legitimately fired for a really dumb reason. We already know they were unable to ignore the chants, as they were then forced to turn Lita heel. There's no way in Hell the WWE, with their lack of respect for the net, think the SMARK presence is strong enough to yield this result. And this was really something that would require a strong smark/net fan/whatever response.

Odds are they thought Matt Hardy being fired would mostly slip under the radar, and they shortly realised their mistake.

I think the firing process was legit. It always will be real. I think, however, they'd be making a huge mistake if they didn't get Matt Back.

[RP]

I might not have been completely right, but i was just about as right as it gets along time ago when i started this thread. I'm laughing at the doubters.

Kane Knight was right about everything else i wasnt right about.