SmackDown! turned ECW turned success..

[Kris P Lettus]

Me BurnZy and Bill Casey were disscussing this at Rajah:

With the sheer awesomeness of One Night Stand and a piss-poor SD!, why not just make SD! an ECW show??

I understand that ONS was that awesome because of the emotion of a reunion show but Heyman is the greatest mind ever in wrestling.. He sucks at buisness which is why ECW first failed, but with McMahon doing the buisness side and Heyman, Dreamer, and Buh Buh booking it'd be awesome.. It'd give all the Cruiserweights a place to shine (and be done right).. Also think of how much star power RAW would have.. Everyone from Undertaker to Booker T would be back on RAW..

I hear SD! is going to USA network anyway so it'd be a perfect time to make a switch.. Have alot of the old ECW guys along with newer non-ECW guys like Paul London, Snitsky, etc with Styles and Tazz comentating.. They could even still do interpromotional PPV and such.. And as I said, it doesn't have to be all barbwire and chairshots.. Use everything from stiff Japanese style to Lucha Libre to tenical bouts to hardcore..

And it doesn't have to be just like the old ECW.. Actually I hope it won't be.. Just give Heyman alittle airtime and some funding and see what happens..

Thought??

[Bad Company]

I like it, but it won't happen :(

[Kris P Lettus]

One can only hope that it will happen and not suck..

:wavesad:

[Nark Order]

They'd ruin it in the long run.

[SideburnZ]

It's gonna happen.

The next draft pick to Smackdown! will be a former ECW guy. Like Benoit last week.

The two top Smackdown guys already went to Raw.

See what they're doing?

They're making Raw the WWE show and Smackdown! the ECW show.

:hyper:

Benoit, RVD, Rhino, Mick/Austin appearances, Dudleys, Dreamer, Heymans mind, the ECW legacy and name and the sheer hype of it all right now could make this a success.

Shit, can't be worse than JBL led Smackdown, can it?

[Kris P Lettus]

They'd ruin it in the long run.

How so??

The TNN contract and the bigger two companies "raiding" talent cause the downfall the first time.. With niether of these a factor, how will it fail??

Specially when it'll only be competing against RAW which will be a completly different style show..

[SideburnZ]

Also, everyone, EVERYONE agreed that ECW's only fault was Paul Heymans business sense.

So.

Vinces business sense + Heymans wrestling sense.

It's the epitome of greatness there.

[HankScorpio]

All I'm gonna say is, I only watched SmackDown! when Heyman was running the show.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

All I'm gonna say is, I only watched SmackDown! when Heyman was running the show.

[Corndad]

I tried bringing this up in the Raw thread and Cenorship was the big thing back people said. Even on a new network.

[Kris P Lettus]

Bleep the cuss words, only have occational blood, save the uberviolence for PPV's..

Isn't this what RAW does already??

I can see why they could do it on UPN, it being a national channel, but surely they can get away with more on cable..

I've seen much worse shit on shows like Jackass, South Park, and The Ashlee Simpson Show than on ECW..

[Corkscrewed]

I would support anything that would make SmackDOWN into a show that features great wrestling, whether it be fantastic Cruiserweight/luchalibre style matches or hardcore fuckfests or heart stopping technical matches.

If they actually let their wrestlers push the envelope (not irrationally so, but better than the same formulamatic set we've seen the past two years), that'd be cool. Even Rey and Psicosis's match, while not real Cruiser caliber, was still better than like all but three Cruiserweight matches on SmackDOWN ever. And that's sorta sad.

[Kris P Lettus]

If they actually let their wrestlers push the envelope (not irrationally so, but better than the same formulamatic set we've seen the past two years), that'd be cool.

That's the key..

TNN ruined ECW.. If given the chance, it could be great.. And don't get me wrong, I'd still watch RAW because it'd only get better with the compitition.. SD! has sucked pretty much since the roster split.. Giving Heyman some freedom couldn't hurt..

[egoslam]

I still have a bad feeling about a WWE ECW in the long run...

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't really like the idea of an "ECW" SD!, but I wouldn't at all mind a more "wild" SD! with Heyman manipulating things bhind the scenes.

[Ninti the Mad]

I was thinking the same thing.

I think plenty of people think it'll happen and alot more hope it would.

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't really like the idea of an "ECW" SD!, but I wouldn't at all mind a more "wild" SD! with Heyman manipulating things bhind the scenes.

Ok..

So pretty much everything I said minus calling it "ECW"??

[Chavo Classic]

I brought this up about 2 days ago on the forum.

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=896737&posted=1#post896737

It makes sense to me. Especially with SD's lack of direction and genuine fan-base. Turning SD into a haven for ECW talent and the cruiserweight division (and changing everything except for the name) might produce results.

For a long time SD has been perceived as a poor man's RAW. By changing the program in a way that differentiates it from the competition (i.e. Raw) it might do well because it would develop it's own type of image, fan base and style. It's called a Unique Selling Point and could be incorporated here to great success. Further more, with SD moving a later time in the tv schedules, fewer restrictions would be placed on the content which might allow it to achieve that authentic ECW feel.

[Londoner]

I'm getting tired of this suggestion. People saying this obviously don't get what ECW is about. ECW/WWE just wouldn't work out. Why? Because ECW was against big companies like WWE, .if you bring back ECW that will just be there to make Vince a profit, it will not work out because from what i understand the feel just would not be there, especially not like it was at ONS.

It's a good idea in theory though.

[Londoner]

I don't really like the idea of an "ECW" SD!, but I wouldn't at all mind a more "wild" SD! with Heyman manipulating things bhind the scenes.


Now that would work.

[Chavo Classic]

I'm getting tired of this suggestion. People saying this obviously don't get what ECW is about. ECW/WWE just wouldn't work out. Why? Because ECW was against big companies like WWE, .if you bring back ECW that will just be there to make Vince a profit, it will not work out because from what i understand the feel just would not be there, especially not like it was at ONS.

It's a good idea in theory though.

If anything, bringing back ECW would be for the fans. I'm a huge ECW mark and I wouldn't give a shit about who was running the behind the scenes finances as long as I tune in to see some fresh ECW type programming.

I fully understand that it wouldn't be truly ECW - the matches, the roster, the gimmicks and angles would all be replicas of previous ECW material. But that doesn't bother me because i've exhausted the current back catalogue of PPVs and I want more!

Further more, i understand one night stand did exactly what it said on the tin... it was a ONE NIGHT STAND. I'd be stupid to believe the WWE would have the resources, or balls, to put on a ECW show like ONS every week. I just know it'd be a whole lot more watchable than Smackdown in its current condition.

[Kris P Lettus]

I brought this up about 2 days ago on the forum.

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?p=896737&posted=1#post896737


The top of that post says "yesterday", the top of mine says "6-15-2005"..

:|

People saying this obviously don't get what ECW is about. ECW/WWE just wouldn't work out. Why? Because ECW was against big companies like WWE,

No..

Obviously you don't know what ECW was about.. It was about changing the face of wrestling when wrestling was steering in the wrong direction.. When you have a show geared towards the 18-35 male demographic yet half of your "talent" consists of clowns, voodoo priests, etc something is wrong.. Just like now, half of RAW/SD! is Diva searches, muscle flexing assholes who don't even wrestle yet waste a good eighth of the show, Big Vis doing Barry White impression etc etc etc..

Now, don't get me wrong, RAW has been decent lately and there's a niche for it.. But SD! has just been plain terrible since JBL was given the title..

The fact that people like Tanaka, Rhino, Sabu, etc etc etc aren't on American tv yet MNM and Chris Masterson are, is a travasty..

Shit, even people under WWF contract like Stevie Richards and Tajeri aren't given enough tv time, yet they have time for Viscera dates and Masterlock Challenges..

ECW wasn't against "big companies".. Fuck sake they did ALOT of iinterpromotion with the WWF in 97-98.. And you could not tell me that Heyman wouldn't have jumped at a national tv deal....wait a minute, he did!! And that was sadly the start of the end of a great era..

I have been an ECW fan for years and I don't think it'd tarnish the legacy at all.. I believe that with Vince's great buisness mind along with Heyman's great wrestling mind, it could be better than it ever was when I had to hook up an antenna at midnight on Saturdays to watch it almost 10 years ago..

If it happens, they'll prolly fuck it up, but one can always hope..

[Londoner]

Well what i meant by being against the big companies stuff was that it wasn't afraid to go that one step further,and they gave the fans what the fans wanted to see, in order to change the face of wrestling. I should've probably said WCW, since Vince apparently(going on what he said) helped out ECW.

[Kris P Lettus]

Vince did help ECW.. They even had an ECW RAW in like 97 from the Hammerstien Ballroom.. Taz, The Dudley's, Dreamer, etc were there..

[Ruien]

Reason why it would not happen is all the WWE wrestlers would not want it. Ya all the ECW ones would, but people like Undertaker and so on would not want a ECW show. Plus the injury risk becomes great and well WWE is not looking for a bunch of injuryes. There are more reasons but I do not feel like explaining them all.

[cafctom]

It would be a great idea, but wouldn't have that authentic ECW feel to it. The WWE would try and commercialise it in a similar way to which they promote Raw and SmackDown!

One of the most unique things about ECW was that it was an underground company that had a rebellious aspect to it, that was against things like WWE and WCW stood for. That was what made it special in my opinion. They wouldn't change what they were if people didn't like it.

However, I do agree it would be an awesome idea to try but I just can't see it being the same ECW that was originally around.

[Kris P Lettus]

Reason why it would not happen is all the WWE wrestlers would not want it. Ya all the ECW ones would, but people like Undertaker and so on would not want a ECW show. Plus the injury risk becomes great and well WWE is not looking for a bunch of injuryes. There are more reasons but I do not feel like explaining them all.

Why do you just assume that?? And please explain the other reasons.. Actually, try explaining the reason you gave first..

However, I do agree it would be an awesome idea to try but I just can't see it being the same ECW that was originally around.

And it doesn't have to be just like the old ECW.. Actually I hope it won't be.. Just give Heyman alittle airtime and some funding and see what happens..

Smackdown is utter shit.. I truely believe unless something drastic happens it'll continue to be shit..

Heyman can lead us to salvation..

[Londoner]

The solution should basically be, let Heyman control smackdown and let the wrestlers go all out with moves we know they can do.I say this again and again but i'll say it once more, don't do a wrestling show unless your prepared to risk a few injuries.

I see Jericho has his old school walls of jericho back now, i just saw the highlights earlier today of Raw, and that walls of jericho he did on Cena looked like it actually hurt, hopefully that's because they took note of his match at ECW and they'll let him have his other moves back,same with all the other wrestlers to but i doubt it.