For the last fucking time. *Spoilers and Stuff*

[KingofOldSchool]

JOHN CENA WILL NOT LOSE THE WWE TITLE!

That would be the stupidest thing the WWE has done in years. Chances are Christian or Jericho will be moving to Smackdown, but they will NOT...NOT...NOT bring the WWE Title to Smackdown with them.

Batista will retain at Vengeance and then be traded or drafted onto Smackdown along with the World Heavyweight Title.

It makes more sense because Batista can feud with Orton when he's healthy and JBL because they both have issues with Batista.

So any thoughts any of you haveof Jericho or Christian winning the WWE Title and moving to Smackdown, get over it. It's not going to happen.

[SammyG]

Agreed.

[Corkscrewed]

Then again, they also killed Hassan's push, have Victoria feuding with Christy, gave Heidenreich's gimmick to Snitsky ( :shifty: ), destroyed Shelton's IC reign, and have left SmackDOWN more ruined than France after a blitzkrieg. So yeah....

[dalegendkilla]

I agree completely KingofOldSchool, it's obvious the way it's being booked Cena's gonna win. Plus Batista on Smackdown would boost the pretty crap deal of the draft they're getting.

[Fignuts]

I'm thinking trips might win at vengeance and switch.

[Kane Knight]

Then again, they also killed Hassan's push, have Victoria feuding with Christy, gave Heidenreich's gimmick to Snitsky ( :shifty: ), destroyed Shelton's IC reign, and have left SmackDOWN more ruined than France after a blitzkrieg. So yeah....
Yeah, arguing it won't happen because it would be stupid is kinda...Pointless.

[KingofOldSchool]

I'm thinking trips might win at vengeance and switch.

Yeah, because you know Triple H is so eager to sell for Rey Mysterio and to work with Booker T again.

[Londoner]

I'm thinking trips might win at vengeance and switch.


That's just stupid.

Btw, kingofoldschool, we'll have to wait and see. People do have different opinions to you you know.

[KingofOldSchool]

Then again, they also killed Hassan's push, have Victoria feuding with Christy, gave Heidenreich's gimmick to Snitsky ( :shifty: ), destroyed Shelton's IC reign, and have left SmackDOWN more ruined than France after a blitzkrieg. So yeah....

See those things, most average fans don't really give a rat's ass about. Honestly.

Hassan lost to Cena, makes Cena look strong on the new show. It's not like Hassan was going to become the next Goldberg and it's not like he jobbed to Hogan or Taker.

A Victoria who gets airtime is better than Victoria who gets no airtime.

SNITSKY! :love:

Sadly, most fans didn't care about Shelton's reign because the WWE didn't care. On the other hand, Carlito debuted on Raw by winning the second most important title in his first match, just like he did on Smackdown.

Smackdown...the jury is still out on that.

[SuperSlim]

Triple H will not move on SmackDown! cause he doesn't like working Tuesdays. Weren't you listening to Heyman?

Anyway Batista I could see switchin shows. I could even see JBL switchin shows that way that JBL/HHH feud can begin once Batista leaves and Triple H walks out of the cell with thte title. Battle of "the gods."

On SD! Batsita can then feud with ummmm... someone.

[Londoner]

The only way HHH would be going to smackdown is if he were to get traded back like that other time and then smackdown could get some high profile wrestlers back, though we know what happened before when they tried that. Smackdown got nothing but 3 midcarders.(even though 2 of them were the best tag team-the dudleys)

[Mr. Nerfect]

John Cena beating Muhammad Hassan makes Cena look like the best the WWE has to offer. That is a pretty good set-up to Jericho or Christian beating Cena at Vengeance, IMO.

It makes Christian or Jericho look like the real deal, which is what the WWE needs to do with both of them urgently. Cena winning gets the 7-12 year olds off, but ultimately does nothing for the product. Who is Cena going to face at Summerslam? Triple H? It could happen, but who then will Jericho & Christian face?

Personally I think they'll have either Jericho or Christian win, have the winner face Cena at Summerslam, and the loser has a match with Triple H, turning face, before facing the guy that beat them in a "Grudge Match" at Unforgiven or something, whether that's for the title or not.

If Cena truly is the "Lord and Saviour" of the WWE, he should be able to give heels the rub by losing to them, while still keeping fans in the due process. It doesn't have to be a clean win for the heel either. A win is a win in Triple Threats, and it might actually make Cena look stronger to lose the title.

Cena vs. Jericho is a feud too good to give-up. You can't really continue it in a logical way if you have Cena retain the title at Vengeance. You could have Cena pin Christian, but that just makes Christian look weak, and doesn't give off the same effect as Jericho beating the fuck out of Cena with a steel chair, before hitting a Lionsault and pinning him. Neither does Jericho wanting to prove he can beat Cena after Cena pins Y2J cleanly.

I would even prefer to see Jericho and Christian both school boy Cena at the same time, leading to the title being vacated and an Elimination Chamber at Summerslam. John Cena vs. Chris Jericho vs. Triple H vs. Kurt Angle vs. Shelton Benjamin/Kane vs. Christian for the WWE Championship. Crazier things have happened.

Two successful major Title defenses at Vengeance isn't the way to go, IMO. Maybe it's just me, but when a wrestler retains the belt, it sort of makes the match seem pointless (unless it has a REALLY good story to go with it). Batista and Cena going over at Vengeance would seem like wasted energy, to me at least. If you're going to put two major titles on the line at a show, make sure at least one of them changes hands, and Batista losing the title to Triple H makes little-to-no sense at all.

I respect everyone's opinion, but unless the WWE has plans on keeping Jericho and Christian as directionless mid-carders, and having a narrow-scope main event division, Cena should really drop the belt to help establish a new major heel.

[PureHatred]

Yeah, arguing it won't happen because it would be stupid is kinda...Pointless.

WWE does some stupid things. I'm actually enjoying the fact that this PPV seems pretty hard to predict.

[The CyNick]

I agree with KOOS, and Ive been saying the same thing for weeks.

I dont like to insult people's opinions, but I really dont see how a logical person can watch WWE TV see the reactions Cena gets, read the house show results which all say that Cena got the biggest pop of the night and his merch was all over the arena and then say he should lose the title.

Especially when they seem to be going back to longer title reigns. How can JBL have a 10 month WWE Title run, and then Cena follows up with a 2 month run?

Also why would you have mid carders like Christian or Jericho be the one to beat him? Its one thing if its a legit main event guy like Angle or HHH (and even then I would say its a mistake) but losing to guys who have spent the past 8-10 months doing nohting but JOBs will do nothing for Cena.

Cena is not in a position to be making people. He needs to be made. Its like saying Austin should have dropped the title to Foley in 98 after he beat HBK. Someone could have argued Austin should have jobbed to make Foley. But the more important thing at that time was to make Austin look as strong as possible.

Cena is the future of the company (at least right now he is) they need to do as much as they can to make Cena look like the top guy. I wasn't a fan of ending Hassan's streak with no build, but at the same time, it made Cena look super strong, because bottom line is nobody has been able to pin Hassan.

BTW, I think Hassan might be going to SD now, so he can do the "I haven't lost on SD gimmick".

Back to Cena, the logical thing is to use the Triple Threat match at Vengeance to make Cena look as strong as possible. Then you can go into Summerslam with Cena against Angle or HHH. My guess is Angle based on the handshake with Bischoff, and Bischoff's new found heat with Cena. HHH will get some other program, who knows maybe HHH vs HBK has more life.....

I also agree that it would make sense to put Batista on SD with the World Title, or as Ive heard suggested, have Edge walk out with the title, but then get drafted to SD along with Batista, and Batista can chase Edge for the title. Batista would also have JBL and Orton as potential opponents if they decide to continue with him as champ.

[El Santo]

Well here's how the logical may go then:

1) Cena already has done the job. He lost the US Title to Carlito, a relatively unknown newcomer, after coming off an involved feud with Booker T. If you remember the discussion back then, many people regarded the loss as a huge mistake. However, Cena didn't suffer for it.

2) Cena doesn't have to do the job. It's a Triple Threat Match, so Christian could job to Jericho or vice versa. If Cena loses the belt, then he's free to pursue the World hamp (which I predict will be HHH since I don't think HHH would like to job to the same guy three times in a row). A Cena win over HHH would be very convincing and would cement his status as a main eventer even further than before.

[The CyNick]

Its different now though.

When he lost those other times he wasn't in the top position. Even going into Mania, he wasn't really positioned as the top guy. I didn't see them really run with him all the way until after Mania and especially since the match at Judgment Day.

Being the WWE/World Champ puts you in a different place, and you have to be real careful if and when you lose a match. I can see some logic in having him lose the title in some screwy fashion (like say how Austin did in 98, which ultimately was just done so he could chase into Mania). But I feel its way too early for that, and Jericho or Christian are not the guys to do that with.

Plus, and Ive said this a bunch of times, but they've got that spinner belt that they just brought out. Even if they did want to get the title off Cena, wouldn't you at least wait until they put that out on sale before having him drop. So at least that way you make as much money off it as possible.

I know this is a small thing, but its related to the last point; Cena's latest shirt is based on him being the champion. Again, unless Cena does something wrong (like Eddie did last year) why would have him drop?

The point is people are really behind Cena right now, and his popularity seems to be growing. I heard a signing he did here in Toronto drew like 1200 people, who else on the roster are doing those numbers? I just dont think there's any logic behind taking the title from him right now. People are still getting behind it, why do anything to jeopardize that?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree with El Santo. I respect both CyNick and KoOS, but I really can't see how narrowing the scope helps Cena in any way.

Stone Cold Steve Austin won the WWE Championship at WrestleMania XIV, then lost it in June of '98. Cena wouldn't be in a disadvantaged position.

Guys shouldn't need the top title to be made. They should be made to have the top title. Cena has lost before, and it creates moe of a connection to the fans if he loses things occasionally. He lost the US Title twice, once to Carlito and once to Orlando Jordan. NEITHER had any real build-up, yet Cena losing to them made them look either credible, or losing to them didn't harm anyone.

If the fans care about Cena or Batista, they will buy their merchandise after they haven't been stuck on Heat or Velocity. By just winning the WWE Title, Cena has the attention of the fans, and if he is the "megastar" of the WWE, he can lose the title without being damaged AT ALL.

And like El Santo said, that is the point of a Triple Threat. It makes any title change for a heel look semi-fluky, and it allows for the face to chase the heel in an entertaining journey for a rematch. Jericho and Cena can easily steal the show with their promos and easily steal the show with their matches, and they could have one of the best chase feuds of all time if let to cut loose. That could do more good for Cena than any win could.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, because you know Triple H is so eager to sell for Rey Mysterio and to work with Booker T again.
Don't be stupid.

Triple H doesn't sell for people.

[Kane Knight]

:shifty::shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow, freaky, I brought up the '98 thing without reading your second post CyNick, sorry about that.

If Cena is growing in popularity, in theory now might be the time to have him drop the title, and re-chase it.

I can see where you're coming from, and keeping the title on him isn't a bad move, but I just wouldn't say it is, clear-cut, the best move. It can help with merchandise sales, but if they have him bring out a new shirt, it will sell just as well.

And all Cena needs to do is turn up and say "The Champ is still here!", not accepting defeat from Jericho, and have them bring out spinner belt replicas which constantly taunt Jericho wherever he goes.

I don't disagree that Cena as WWE Champion is a bad thing, but I think good can come out of Cena losing, just as it can come out of him winning.

[Just John]

the thing is though is that when we have the next Smackdown PPV what will be on the line if Cena keeps the title?

[The Mackem]

OK but Bret is still coming back next week though isn't he?

[Innovator]

When Austin was champ, his longest reign as a face was in 98.

Look in 1999, he held the title until May, then chased it until late June, then lost it at Summerslam, then chased it before he got hurt.

[Innovator]

Also whoever is the heel champ at the time can get mega-super over having Cena chase them

[Kane Knight]

the thing is though is that when we have the next Smackdown PPV what will be on the line if Cena keeps the title?
I know this is hard to grasp, but they could end up with the OTHER title, you know.

[parkmania]

HHH will get some other program, who knows maybe HHH vs HBK has more life.....




Kill me now, PLEASE!

[Mr. Nerfect]

When Austin was champ, his longest reign as a face was in 98.

Look in 1999, he held the title until May, then chased it until late June, then lost it at Summerslam, then chased it before he got hurt.

Also whoever is the heel champ at the time can get mega-super over having Cena chase them

That's exactly what I mean. Jericho and Cena already have an awesome feud going, as well as Christian and Cena. The WWE could go with either one, and the fans will really get into Cena trying to get his title back.

By winning the title, Cena has proven that he can do it. We don't need any more evidence he is main event material. I think it's time Cena embarked on another journey, though.

[Shadow]

JOHN CENA WILL NOT LOSE THE WWE TITLE!

Boy are you gonna be eating a large plate of crow if Cena doesn't retain at Vengence.

[The CyNick]

The Austin title switch is unfair to bring up. He lost the title in a finish where nobody got pinned and he won it back the very next night. Thats hardly a chase story. Really Austin's inital run was from Mania to Sept, and even then he lost it again in a really screwy fashion.

But as I said, its different now. People have seen HEEL title runs from HHH and JBL that lasted apprx 10 months each. There really hasn't been a solid babyface title run in literally years.

Cena is getting over as much as anyone has since Austin and Rock left the main event picture, and he's had the title a very short time for today's standards.

What I think a lot of you guys miss out on is the fact that most casual fans will just go with the falvour of the month. They want to go to the shows and cheer for John Cena, for the same reason that the Yankees are the most over team in baseball; because they win more than anyone else.

The Carlito loss didn't hurt Cena because he left right after, and when he came back he squashed Carlito. If thats going to happen with Christian or Jericho why do the title switch? Remember this isn't a meaningless title we are talking about like the US title. Its the biggest prize in the company.

Cena's loss to OJ I felt did hurt him. It was the wrong time to have him JOB, and if you watched Mania, the fans were not as into him as they were before and especially since then. Not saying OJ was the sole reason, but it didn't help matters.

If the average person goes to a show to see Cena, they want to see him win, not lose. Hogan, Rock and Austin have all shown how this can work. If he starts to lose, especially if he drops the title, people will see him like they did Benoit, Eddie and everyone else who has been a transitional face champion. Its very possible they will quickly give up on Cena, like they did those other guys.

I dont agree that Cena is in a position to make other people, he still needs to help to be firmly established as the top guy in the company. Again, losing wont do that. We've seen lots of short title runs for babyfaces in the past 4 or 5 years, and they have been less and less successful. Whats wrong with trying to see what will happen if an over babyface like a JOhn Cena gets 10-14 months with the title. Who knows maybe business will skyrocket. I can guarantee you that business will not go up with either Christian or Jericho as WWE champ.

[Innovator]

I agree with the points you made Cynick. I tried to stay away from Austin's 98 title run, but that only lasted roughly 6 months. The Rocks longest reign was 5 months before he lost to Angle. The 10-14 month long face title run has never really been tested in the past several years. It might be able to skyrocket business...but how many times in that 10-14 month long reign would WWE creative throw HHH at say Batista, or if Batista switches shows how many times will HHH wrestle Cena? I'm just using HHH as the obvious example.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You brought up some great points CyNick, and I can't really argue against them.

Perhaps I am just too anxious to see Christian or Jericho finally get the gold (or again in Jericho's case). I just can't see Cena retaining the title again and again interesting people too long. Granted good can come from it, and as soon as Cena is put into a feud defending the title against Triple H I will probably change my tone, but the WWE does have two World Champions right now.

Why not go the full-way with Batista? He may not be as high as Cena on the widespread popularity charts, but there's no doubt he can set the crowd on fire when he needs to. Have Batista squash Triple H (I wish), and then have him deflect the MITB challenge from Edge directly after. Batista then shows up on SD! as its next roster draft pic, and he beats Orlando Jordan for the US Title. 'Tista then chews through JBL, Benoit (winning a new SmackDown! World Championship), Hassan, Orton, Undertaker, Booker T, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero & The Big Show, making it to one year as World Heavyweight Champion, US Champion and SmackDown! Champion.

I think Batista needs to be built-up slightly more than Cena at the moment. I'm not saying Cena won't retain, but I think he's the safer bet to have lose than Batista, and I don't think it will be the end of the world if he loses to either Jericho or Christian.

If they do decide to go with a long Cena reign, I think they should go "Samoa Joe" with it, and have him last at least 16 months with the belt. Hell, have him take it to WrestleMania 23, and maybe even beyond.

[The CyNick]

With Cena, unless he really bombs at the box office, I would consider keeping it on him past Mania in Chicago, and maybe have him drop it around Summerslam next year.

I'd just like to see how people react to that.

I'm a firm believer that you have to build a promotion around a top babyface, not a top heel. The heel thing didn't work all that well in the NWA, and since the WWE has started to do it (2001 with Austin) business has only go down. Since that time they've never really went all the way with a babyface.

I figure they had a 10 month heel title run with HHH in 2003 and one by JBL in 2004, they should at least go that long (but really should go a fair bit longer) with Cena.

As for Batista, I think he's over pretty well, but I dont think he's got the potential Cena does to sell tickets. I really think Batista is a creation of Hunter doing business the right way. Thats the main reaosn why I think Batista is over right now. Could he stay over? Its possible. But the problem is that the WWE wants him to talk, which is not his strong suit and he doesn't have the catch phrases and flashy moves that fans tend to get behind like Cena has.

If Batista goes to SD as champ, I would not be against him holding the belt for a long time, but I would also like to see heels like JBL and Orton with the title as well.

But with Cena, I just think there's way more potetnial there, and I'd hate to see anything done (ie losing) that could possibly hurt him. As I said, its one thing to have Cena lose in a fluke way to a guy like Angle or HHH, but guys who have been JOB guys like Christian and Jericho have been, I just think thats a major risk for Cena.

***edit

Just as an add on. I remember last year when Eddie lost to JBL. Even though it was done in such a fluky way, I still felt it killed Eddie as a potential draw, because he got beat by a guy who wasn't a legit top guy. Now, they maybe could have fixed that by having get the title right back, but I just felt that loss at GAB really took him down a great deal.

[Loose Cannon]

I think the only problem with giving Cena a long Title run is that unlike the Hogan era, there is a PPV every month now and a TV show every week. You would have to keep building heels a lot cause he can't have the same opponent all the time. I think it's easier to build up a babyface challenger then a heel challenger. With Hogan, they had so many great heels for him to overcome that were built already. Bundy, Andre, Piper, Savage, Earthquake, Slaughter, Orndorff etc.... They all looked like a threat to Hulk and his Title every time.

On Raw, you have HHH and Angle as the big two. After that, I don't think you have anyone else that could seem like a threat to Cena. Possibly a Brock if he came in.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think Cena should ever be too far away from the title. Sould he have it for so long? That's debatable, and really unless Cenaholds it that long, we'll never know.

I don't consider Jericho and Christian too low for the title. Maybe it's just me, but both are charismatic enough to get the crowd into whatever they do, both are talented enough in the ring to really draw the energy and excitement from the crowd, and both have accomplished a lot.

Jericho is already a Grand Slam Champion. I think they should have put more emphasis on this, the fact he was the first-ever Undisputed Champion, and in a way the first-man to ever hold the title Cena's currently holding and that he has the most IC Title reigns in WWE history.

If Christian wins at Vengeance, he has held a title on every step of the WWE as well, and it really wouldn't hurt anyone if he did win, because Christian is an expert of pulling off sneaky wins. Granted, the guy does lose more than he wins, but he does hold a major victory over Jericho, and he has pinned Benoit recently. I know that's hardly anything, but the fans have been exposed to Christian winning, and it doesn't seem forced when he does win.

John Cena holds a PPV victory over Jericho, which really could have been brought up for this feud. Have Cena already claim to have beaten Jericho, which could potentially cushion the loss, if they decided to have Cena drop the title.

Now as to whether or not Cena losing will hurt him, I think it is a mixed bag. On one hand, Cena is no longer officially the top guy, and some Cena die-hards might lose a bit of sleep. On the other, loss could become a crucial part of Cena and the Chain Gang's journey. Christian and Jericho losing may do more to hurt them than help Cena, which is what I think the WWE should avoid with lack of heels. You need to build up the bad guys, so when the good guys win, their victories mean more.

I agree, it would be nice to have a good guy that is unphased by the forces of evil in the WWE, but as LC said, Hulk Hogan had a legion of credible bad guys coming at him, Cena has only a few.

I disagree with the statement that Cena losing the title will destroy the WWE and his credibility, though. All heroes have flaws, and if those flaws can be exposed by a heel, it is the best way to have a feud, IMO. I think Cena could really use a good feud with someone like Chris Jericho, who can help Cena take the final step to becomming a main eventer, whatever that may be.

[The CyNick]

Jericho and Christian are charismatic and talented enough to hold any belt in the company, the problem is that none of them have been positioned in a way that they should be able to beat the top baby in the company.

I think there are plently of heels on RAW that could challenge. Jerihco and Christian could theoretically keep Cena busy for while. Then you have Angle, Edge and HHH who could all have lengthy fueds with Cena. That would easily take them into this time next year. At which point there would be new guys built up (in theory) and you could do another draft to shake things up.

I agree this isn't the same as Hogan's era, but its not 'that' far off. Like I said we've already seen consecutive years with 10+ month heel runs as champions. I actually think its easier to build up a heel challenger, because you dont necessarily have to sell the people on the fact that the title will change (because the fans dont want that) all they want is to see the face get revenge on the baby.

As a kid I never really thought Hogan would lose to Wonderful, Bundy or even Savage, I just wanted to see Hogan kick their ass. I remember friends of fine talking similarly about Austin. They didn't care who Austin was fighting, they just wanted to see him Stun someone and drink a bunch of beer. People seem to have trouble realizing thats the kind of thing that draws casual fans.

Also, the guys listed that Hogan had to fued with was over a 5-6 year period. Its not like Savage was ready for Hogan when he was fueding with Bundy and Studd. They usually built one guy up for Hogan, Hogan would beat them and they would be bulding another guy undeneath in the meantime.

Now, obviosuly they cant book one year programs like they did in the 80s, but fans seem to accept 3-4 month programs, so with that in mind you only really need about 4 key programs to get a babyface through a year. As Ive already outlined, they have that many on RAW with no problem.

Throw in some babyface turning on Cena (If Batista were to stay on RAW with Cena, I would od that down the road...kinda do it like the Mega Powers). Not to mention a guy like Lesnar who could easily come in and work with Cena for 4-6 months.

If they want to do it, I believe they definately have the horses to make it happen. Its just a matter of whether or not certain guys will go that long without the title. And how long the WWE is willing to go with Cena before giving up.

Austi had 18 months of being positioned as the top guy before he started to set business on fire, I wonder if Cena will get the same curtosey?

[Mr. Nerfect]

You're 100% right about fans tuning in to see the good guy kick ass, but I think they can provide that sort of entertainment in many ways. I'm not trying to argue Cena winning is a bad thing, in fact it would realistically be a good thing, but I think Jericho or Christian winning could be a good thing as well.

RAW has two Champions right now. I think this is a good thing, it allows for a bad guy to hold hold one belt, while a good guy holds the other. Granted, you could occasionally get two faces holding the belts, or two heels for that matter, but you can keep things balanced for a while by having one face and one heel as Champion.

One of Vengeance's biggest selling points is that there are two major Championships on the line. Personally, if I bought the show for this, I would expect at least one title change. I'm not quite sure of my psychology there, but it's just something I would expect to happen. Maybe it's the fact that everytime the babyface Champion steps into the ring, he faces being defeated. Having two heroes put themselve son the line doubles the chance of failure, and doubles the chance that one hero will crash and burn that night. Part of the excitement of the event for some, might be knowing that it is extremely likely either Batista or Cena will crash and burn to one of their opponents. Wrestling isn't really an odds game, but if all superstars were equal, I think there's only a 16.6% chance both Cena and Batista walk out with their belts. Sure, that might make it rewarding if both Cena and Batista win, but a lot of the excitement of wrestling is title changes.

Maybe that's why I'm so hung-up on seeing a new WWE Champion. I'm expecting a title change to keep things exciting. The casual fan may want to see their hero(es) win, but I like to think of Batista and John Cena as Coke and Pepsi. Some people may like both Coke and Pepsi, but their are others that only like Coke, and others that only like Pepsi. I'm sure there are some people that say "I hope Batista and John Cena win tonight!", but there are others that would have picked which Champion they like better. Some people have probably sided with Batista, and sided with Cena much like people sided with The Rock and Austin. Both guys were over, and both guys managed to get cheers all the time, but when it came to The Rock vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin taking place, fans would probably make deals with their friends, temporarily turn on one, etc.

My point is (if I can actually work out what I'm trying to say), is that the WWE can play us here, and stop pretending the top babyfaces are equals, and start throwing curveballs the fans' way, making them say "Look! I told you Batista was better than Cena!" or "Look, Cena can beat two men when Batista can't even beat one.".

The WWE was most compelling when they had one babyface carrying the belt, not two. Having Batista and Cena walk out as Champions again almost makes it seem like the WWE is saying "We can't decide which one we like better, so we're making them both Champions.", and that sort of makes the WWE seem tame.

It is my opinion that Batista CANNOT lose to Triple H. It makes no sense what-so-ever. Batista loses, it makes Triple H the winner of the feud, and it makes Backlash a mute point, it makes WrestleMania a mute point, Hell it even makes the Royal Rumble, where Batista proved his dominance over Cena a mute point. It makes all of 2005 a mute point. Triple H is still Champion, nothing has stopped him, nothing has dented him, and believe me, a lot of people will lose interest as soon as Triple H grabs the belt again.

So yeah, perhaps the only reason I want to see Cena lose is because having two babyface Champions seems too tame, and makes everything seem hunky-dory in RAW-land; but if you take the belt of Batista, you completely destroy everything that's ben established in 2005.

I know you'll probably just say the good guys defying the odds and winning is why people watch, which is true, but I just think having a title change when there are two belts on the line makes the WWE seem more cut-throat, which is why people watch in the first place.

[KingofOldSchool]

Yup.