NBA Offseason thread

[Crimson]

Any off season stuff goes here.

Let me started off by saying WHAT THE FUCK NATE McMILLIAN YOU BITCH OUT OF ALL THE TEAMS WHY THE BLAZERS?! DAMNIT WALLY WALKER OR WHOEVER ELSE DIDN'T STEP UP AND SIGN THIS MAN, HE IS ONE HELL OF A COACH.

So who's gonna replace him now i think. At least they kept Ray :/

[RoXer]

I think D'Antoni's brother was a possibility.

[RP]

What retard wants to coach the Blazers?

[MoRcHeEbA]

Portland is a nice city :shifty:

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Looks like Walker won't be staying in Boston. I don't know how to feel about that.

[RP]

Make's room for Green

[BCWWF]

Pretty stupid by McMillan, but obviously he knows something we don't.

Anyway, I think that kind of opens the door for Flip Saunders in Seattle maybe? It looks like Larry Brown may be back in Detroit now, and Milwaukee sucks, so I don't think Seattle would have much trouble signing him. It seems like he would be a better fit with Seattles team then he would with Detroits, but who knows?

[Lotus]

Portland isn't as bad as it used to be... attitude-wise. But talent-wise, it's probably the worst in the Western Conference, maybe barring the Hornets. But seriously, the Blazers need to get rid of Damon Stoudamire. All that guy does is jack up 3's and smoke weed.

[BCWWF]

Redd signs until 2011 with Milwaukee. I am glad, it would have been shitty if he just left the Bucks out to dry like that. Redd, TJ, Bogut, etc. have some potential.

Also, I think Damon is the shit. It probably would be good for the Blazers to move him right now, but I think he is a very good pg.

[MoRcHeEbA]

I can think of 12 million more reasons McMillen went to portland over Seattle.

[Crimson]

Ultimatley Portland pays him some nice cash, but it was more than that. It goes back to the regular season when Seattle didn't sign him. They made him an offer and it was just there, the Blazers came by and showed him love, respect, and the dough..so most men enjoy a nice ego stroke and he took the bait.

[BCWWF]

Well the Bucks seem to have signed a coach, nobody knows what the Pistons are doing, it looks like Larry Brown wants to come back but they might not want him. I haven't heard anything about who the Sonics go after now really, but it seems like maybe Saunders could end up there now.

[CNM]

I've heard Terry Porter or Marc Iavoroni, the Suns assistant, could end up in Seattle.

[CNM]

Nbadraft.net is reporting that the Cavs have agreed to a contract with Larry Hughes that averages $12 million a year.

Larry Hughes to Cleveland (http://www.nbadraft.net/prevenas044.asp)

[RP]

Nbadraft.net is reporting that the Cavs have agreed to a contract with Larry Hughes that averages $12 million a year.

Larry Hughes to Cleveland (http://www.nbadraft.net/prevenas044.asp)


Some people will probably knock this signing. Probably will tell you its for way too much. I understand the disbelief , but if you've watched Hughes over the last couple of years. He's really matured and developed one of the best man on man defense's in the league. He's got the offensive skill to score 20. I think this is a better pick up then Redd. Redd wasnt great defensively and how would they have gotten Redd enough looks with Ilgalskus and James in there. They needed a Scottie Pippen ( he's no Danny Granger ;) ) type guy who could compliment James. This is great for Cleveland. I see big things from them next year.

[BCWWF]

I think Hughes is a good fit in Cleveland as well, but I'm kind of disappointed that Washington's year of revival is basically gone now.

[The Outlaw]

Yeah Hughes is pretty overlooked. Obviously not anymore, 12 mil a year is pretty steep.

[PureHatred]

I would've signed Hughes over any guard this offseason. He's much younger than Allen and he can lock down three positions. He had a breakout year for the Wiz and theres not going to be anybody that will be able to match up size-wise with the Cavs backcourt next season.

[BCWWF]

How tall is Hughes? I always thought he was pretty short

[PureHatred]

How tall is Hughes? I always thought he was pretty short

6'5" which is average. But his wingspan is ridiculous which is why he and Arenas were such a match-up problem.

[BCWWF]

Yeah I remember last season like Hughes was the SG but had more assists and Arenas had more points or something.

[Lotus]

Hughes has one good year and all of a sudden he's worth $12 mil? Dude didn't do shit for the Warriors, and I guarantee you he won't be putting up good numbers in Cleveland.

[BCWWF]

He was better then average in his time at Washington

[CNM]

I don't understand the Hughes move. The Cavs needed a great shooter (Ray Allen or Michael Redd would have been perfect) and Hughes can't shoot worth a shit. They should have gone after Bobby Simmons or Cuttino Mobley.

[BCWWF]

They should have gone with Wally Szczerbiak in a sign and trade deal involving Z :mad:

[BCWWF]

It looks as if Q might not be staying in New York very long. Apparently the Knicks are pretty interested in Kwame Brown but the only way they could get him is by trading Q.

It seems fitting that the Knicks would go after the biggest choke in the league.

[RP]

I dont know what Kwame Brown's problem is , but i still think he might be good. He's young and he has talent. He needs to put his head back together . Unfortunatley, having Isiah Thomas any were near him is going to suck cock, because Isiah Thomas infact sucks cock.

[The Outlaw]

LOL Kwame Brown

[Kid Robb]

Larry Hughes is alright as long as they keep Z. If he goes and they get no big man for him then they'll still be just average.

Who's the worse no 1 pick, Kwame Brown or Michael Olowokandi? That's one of the hardest questions you can ever be asked.

[BCWWF]

Olowokandi, because there is still, somewhere out there, hope.

[PureHatred]

Who's the worse No 1 pick, Kwame Brown or Michael Olowokandi? That's one of the hardest questions you can ever be asked.

That's actually an incredibly easy question. The Wiz took Brown in a draft where HSers were so prevalent that the guys they passed up in the lottery -Chandler, Curry, Gasol- are still basically projects. The most successful players from that draft -Arenas and Richard Jefferson - weren't even blips on the radar screen going into the lottery.

As for Kandi: The Clips passed up Mike Bibby, Jamison, Vince Carter, Dirk Diggler, Paul Pierce, Larry Hughes, and Bonzi Wells in the first 11 picks alone. Kandi was the worse pick of the two, the worst pick in Clippers history (saying a lot) and possibly the worst #1 Pick ever.

[PureHatred]

Hughes has one good year and all of a sudden he's worth $12 mil? Dude didn't do shit for the Warriors, and I guarantee you he won't be putting up good numbers in Cleveland.

He's only 26. He's actually coming off two very good season in Washington. And the one half season he was in GS where he wasn't hurt, he averaged 22, 6 , and 5 with 3 steals. If you watched the playoff at all last season you would've seen how he drives teams nuts. So, yes, in a league whre rafer Alston is worth $6 mil a year, Hughes is easily worth 12.

The comments soemone else made about his perimeter shooting are valid, but the Cavs aren't done. Even if they sign Z for the max, they'll be $12-15 million under the cap.

[BCWWF]

It looks like the Cavs are going to try to get Udonis Haslem now. Thats exactly what I predicted and I don't think the Heat will do too much to keep him. He had a pretty good season playing with Shaq, now another team overpays for him and he falls back down to earth.

Anyway, the latest rumors around the Minnesota camp is that we are going to get Stephon Marbury back. What its based around is that the Knicks apparently to move him too, so Crawford can go to point guard. They would trade Marbury for Wally and Cassell (their salaries match up).

I guess the trade makes sense for both teams in a way, the Knicks just spread around their SG's. Cut Houston, trade Q for Kwame, put Crawford at PG, put Wally at SG then. The Wolves really just need a dynamic point guard, and although I don't really like Marbury, he could be the best option. Wally has been linked to the Knicks for years also.

We'll see.

[BCWWF]

It looks like Antoine Walker could be going to the Kings now. I don't get why Boston wants to dismantle their team right now. When they originally had Pierce and Walker they were a top team in the East, they got them back together last year and they were pretty damn good again, so why let go of both of them?

[PureHatred]

They're old. C's are building around the kids. They know that they're not winning a title with Pierce and 'Toine, so they'll take a step back in the hopes that Al Jefferson, Perkins, Allen, Banks, West,and now Gerald Green will be the nucleus of a title team. Shockingly, a smart move by Ainge.

[BCWWF]

I actually do like Antoine going to the Kings though. I was hoping the Kings were finally done for a while, but if they get Antoine it pretty much replaces C-Webb and they will be a playoff team for sure...again.

[CNM]

'Toine will get his new contract and then go back to camping out on the perimeter and jacking up threes.

[RP]

Jamal Crawford at PG :lol:

Lets go ahead and and pick up Mark Madsen, or no!. Trade for Brian Cardinal and put him at center!

Isiah Thomas is taking the Knicks down to the armpits of hell. I'm laughing histerically right now.

[RP]

Antoine Walker and Peja standing out side the perimeter waiting for someone to pass the ball. While Biby is getting locked down and Miller is being fronted. Kings will only win 30 games next year.

[RP]

Celtic fans should rejoice if they get rid of 'Toine. Jefferson was great against O'neal in the playoffs. Green looks like he can come in and make a huge impact with his athletisism. Allen , West , and Banks are solid. Ryan Gomes is a polished college player with a good rep and dencet body. Pretty good skills.

'Toine should just go honestly. If you trade Pearce tho. They are really stupid. Unless it was for someone like Ron Artest ( Seriously ) . A player that can defend and lock down and score. Maybe Tayshawn Prince in a package, Nowitski for Pearce and another? Or maybe straight up? I dont know, but no one is going to give these players up . I cant see Pearce being traded. I think Pearce is one of the few players in the game that can absolutely take over a game to the point where you actually notice it and cant help but be marvaled. If he could defend a little better. Pearce's stock roof, but he doesnt have to be traded. They should just keep him. He's a great player.

[BCWWF]

1. When did you forget how to spell?

2. Mark Cuban won't be trading Dirk for Pierce any time soon.

3. Pierce is the only player who can take over a game? Ever heard of Kobe Bryant? Tracy McGrady?

[PureHatred]

The hot rumor out here is the Lakers doing a ssign and trade that would send Butler to the Wiz for Kwame. Not sur ewhat to think. I like the idea of collecting big young lpayers with potential, and I like the idea of moving Odom back to SF, but I don't like all the iffy characters on the roster. We're like the Portland Trailblazers South...lotta talented guys who don't really play hard, one egomaniacal primadonna, and oh yeah, Phil wants to add Scottie Pippen to his coaching staff.

Cuz no one embodies "leadership" like Pipper. :roll:

[Crimson]

I duno..i kinda like Butler,i think he can be a very good player in the right situation...like better than Odom. Bring back Jerry West!

[BCWWF]

I like the Knicks trade better, for the Wiz that is

[BCWWF]

Wizards Get:
Chucky Atkins
Caron Butler

Lakers Get:
Kwame Brown

[BCWWF]

I don't like the trade really for either team. I would have liked the Knicks trade, with the Wiz getting Q, better. The Wizards likely won't be very good this year, because Caron is a downgrade from Atkins big time. I liked Chucky on the Lakers last year, he hit a tonn of three's. I don't know why they were so adamant about trading him.

Anyway, by making this trade it is clear that the Lakers are going to have a drastic offseason. They basically don't have a point guard now, and putting faith in Kwame in a market like LA isn't something to bet a lot of money on. So I'd expect LA to go after another big man of some sort as well as a point guard. Sam Cassell? TAKE HIM PLEASE!

[Corkscrewed]

Wizards Get:
Chucky Atkins
Caron Butler

Lakers Get:
Kwame Brown

Worst.

Trade.

Ever.



If you're doing that so Odom goes to SF, why not trade Odom instead? Butler was on fire late last season and he will continue to rise in stock. Kwame, on the other hand, couldn't take over a kindergartener's desk, much less a game. And we're giving TWO people for him? Including out only point guard?

Mitch Kupchak's lost his mind. Odom can't play in LA for his life. Butler is a rising star and will be a primary weapon if he goes to DC next year.

And we get... Kwame Brown.

WHAT THE HELL?????

:rant: :mad: :foc: Mitch. What's next... sign and trade for Adonyl Foyle? :roll:



Bring Jerry West back. :'(

[BCWWF]

Doesn't Kobe technically play SF? Or has he always been a shooting guard?

Anyway, Odom will never be great in LA, agreed. It seems like they should have got somebody better. PJ Brown, Jamal Magliore, Michael Olowokandi :shifty:

I still have faith that Kwame might be a legitimate NBA player in his career, he's only like 22 after all, but the Lakers need more of a veteran.

[CNM]

Kobe is a SG

[Crimson]

haha, fuckin Lakers . I don't like the trade at all either. I too like Caron over Odom, but I guess Phil has his likes and dislikes on players. I mean babyhands Kwame has been a bust for the time he's been around..although in his defense he will be in his 5th year out of highschool next year...and I don't believe even Jermain O'neal has had numbers close to Kwame's. So there's still a chance for Kwame to devolop into a great player...

[BCWWF]

It kind of all rides on how much of a positive impact Kobe and Phil can have on him.

[RoXer]

I overheard the Clippers signed Cuttino Mobley? Someone find a link because I'm laving soon.

[PureHatred]

The reason why I liked this deal was that we dumped Atkins. People who defend him were obviously not watching a lot of Lakers games. Hes not a point guard in the sense that he, y'know, passes the ball, and he needs to take waaaaay too many shots to have any impact on the game. And for every three he hits, he also allows 4 or 5 easy baskets a night. Ihated him out there on the floor. He had nice stats. But anyone with NBA knowledge knows stats lie.

Like I said, this isn't a great trade. Physically, its not a bad idea. But this is now officially a team full of headcases, led by a guy that has a knack for rubbing people the wrong way.

[Apprentice]

The Lakers moves are not for the present but for the future. Ironic since Phil is signed on for only 3 years.

Atkins was not going to be a main guy on the Lakers anyway since Phil hates small guards so he was expendable.

Caron is a great player but he has only 1 year left on his contract. Lakers had no intention of re-signing him to begin with since Odom's contract is huge and he is more comfortable at the 3 than the 4. Therefore, that is why Caron was the trade bait: cause he's good and doesn't have a bad contract. Who the hell would take Odom's mess?

Kwame is no Shaq. But... I like Mitch's guts. Basically, this is a 2 year experiment with Kwame. If he works out, it'll be amazing. But if he doesn't, they drop him on the 3rd year and hope for free agent lightning to strike in the year 2007 when Yao and Amare become available(or maybe 2008 with Lebron).

As for the Lakers fans out there, I don't know if this will make the Lakers any where close to a playoff team, but this is the best they can do at this point to look towards the future. If they get a good pg like Antonio Daniels, I believe they have a shot if they are healthy. Bynum is getting great reviews in Summer League and maybe he can start in the near future... or maybe I'm just dreaming..

[RoXer]

Donyell Marshall signed by Cavs

[BCWWF]

Marshall by the Cavs could work out, but it could be a complete flop as well.

Didn't I see Shareef signed somewhere today?

Also, I think the Rockets will be one of the top two teams in the West this year. They got Stromile Swift now, who can share time with Howard. After last season I gained a lot of respect for T-Mac and I think he will win a championship in his career.

[PureHatred]

I like the signing. He's a big body who can rebound and has a nice outside shot. Perfect complimentary player.

And I think the Shareef thing is that there's a deal in place for the Blazaers to do a sign and trade for Shareef with the Nets. At least thats what espn.com is reporting.

[The Outlaw]

Shareef signed a five year with the Nets. Haslem re-signed for 5 years with the Heat. Larry Brown got relieved of his contract.

Bogut got ejected in summer ball. ROFL

[Crimson]

Cavs should be well improved with Hughes, and Marshall.

And Sonics get bob weiss :|..his name don't even deserve to get capitalized,i'll be surprised if he makes it thru the end of the season.

[RoXer]

Someone explain the Larry Brown/Pistons situation. I guess I don't know enough information. Why don't the Pistons want him as a coach/why doesn't he want to coach for them?

[Lotus]

I have no idea why, but I do know that the Pistons just hired Flip Saunders to be their head coach. But this is typical Larry Brown, he never stays in one spot for a long period of time; a vagabond coach, if you will.

[The Outlaw]

Keyon Dooling said he agreed to terms Friday on a three-year deal believed to be worth nearly $10 million with Orlando, where he'll probably have a chance to become the Magic's starting point guard.

The Milwaukee Bucks continued the dramatic revamping of their roster Friday night, adding guard-forward Bobby Simmons, an unrestricted free agent from the Los Angeles Clippers.

Cuttino Mobley, one of the NBA's most accurate outside shooters, will play for the Los Angeles Clippers next season, his agent said Thursday.

There's some of the latest stuffff

[Lotus]

Milwaukee looks like they might go from worst to first, at least in their division. Well, probably not first, but definitely a playoff spot.

[BCWWF]

Keyon! Mizzou.

Wolves Get:
Marco Jaric
Lionel Chalmers

Clippers Get:
Sam Cassell
First Round DP (Unless its in the lottery)

I dunno, our team is hit or miss for next year, but at least if its miss we get our pick back.

[The Outlaw]

So, from what I'm reading, Suns trade JJ to the Hawks for Boris Diaw, two first-rounders as long as they aren't lottery, and 4.9 million.

Wow :o

[RoXer]

:o

[BCWWF]

I don't get the Suns logic in this offseason. They could potentially put out a competitive team on the court, but if it is it will be a completely different team then this years. They were able to dominate the regular season with their style, but I don't think they needed to go to this drastic of lengths to win in the playoffs. They had a system that worked for them, four guys who can shoot the three and Amare with room to be creative down low. Now their three point shooting has been basically cut in half, Amare has a new friend clogging the inside, and Marion is going back to SF where he stacks up statistics but doesn't win many games. They could have added the players to help on the defense without completely changing their team.

[CNM]

I think the Suns will still win their division and get the #3 seed but people don't realize what a big part three-point shooting was in their success last year.

[Ninti the Mad]

lol @ Spurs signing Nick Van Exel

[The Miz]

...and Michael Finley

[Ninti the Mad]

Oh, they sealed the deal?

[Ninti the Mad]

hahahah just read it on nba.com

I hope they click. Spurs are getting much larger in the paint.

[DaveWadding]

well, looks like I'll be owning a silver and black Fins jersey here soon....

[BCWWF]

Bah, I hate the Spurs. Even though I can't say I think Finley would have helped the Wolves at all.

So do the Spurs still have Brent Barry, or is that Van Exel now? The only reason I would like to see them win again is because the Suns fucked around with their sweet team, the Wolves have no shot, and Robert Horry getting six would be unbelievable.

[Apprentice]

I think Horry already has 6 right? 3 with Lakers, 2 with Rockets and 1 last year. It would be lucky 7.

I think they still have Brent but since they got Finley, they'll probably pass on Devin Brown. He'll be a good young pickup for someone who needs athleticism.

[CNM]

You'd think Barry might be trade bait with the signing of Finley. Hopefully he is and the Nuggs trade for him.

[BCWWF]

I'd almost think Van Exel would be a better guy for the Nuggets. I agree though, they can't have Parker-Van Exel-Barry at PG and Ginobili-Finley and I think they have another good SG too. Barry would probably be the odd man out here.

[CNM]

Haha screw Nick the Prick. No one in Denver wants him back after the shit he pulled.

[BCWWF]

The Bulls just traded Curry and Antonio Davis for Tim Thomas, Michael Sweetney, and somebody else.

Just when there was some potential over there in ChiTown they take on Tim Thomas.

Anyway, I was looking at some depth charts today and I think the Grizzlies could be really good. They have a very solid backcourt that includes Damon Staudemire, Bobby Jackson, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, and Eddie Jones. Then you add Pau, Cardinal, Warrick, and Wright.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Raptors traded Alston to Houston for Mike James.

Raptors are going to be awful this year so I'm happy to see him go even though he was a decent player. The guy's contract was way too big and he was a jerk.

[CNM]

Bad trade I think for Houston. How is Skip gonna react when they tell him his main job is to get the ball to T-Mac and Yao?

[BCWWF]

Good trade on Toronto's part. For some reason I think Villanueva is going to be good

[The Icon of Elisim]

Villanueva will be fine, good rebounder and decent PF. He will forever be a waste of a lottery pick which will be hard to live by.

[BCWWF]

Well he has the ability to be amazing, but he's just a dumbshit and is a slacker

[BCWWF]

Remember before last season when I said that Kobe wasn't the reason the Lakers broke up, it was actually the owner, but then Shaq and Phil left and spread anti-Kobe propiganda?

Well on sports center just now, Phil Jackson said the reason he came back is because he felt Kobe was wrongly accused for breaking up the dynasty.

I just wanted to say that, because there were probably three pages of bitching at me for not jumping on the Anti-Kobe bandwagon.

[The Outlaw]

LOL ole Phil. Of course he is going to say that now.

[BCWWF]

I dunno, I think people view Phil as more shady then Kobe now. I mean writing that book was just awful.

Nonetheless, the Lakers are still going to be awful this year. I was looking the other day, and their point guard is probably one of the worst starting PG's in the league. Then Odom isn't great, Kwame = ?, and then is Mihm the center? They've got a ways to go.