View Full Version : GTA: San Andreas Officially changed to AO
Buzzkill
07-20-2005, 08:35 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/fun.games/07/20/video.game.sex.ap/index.html
SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- The video game industry on Wednesday changed to adults-only the rating of "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas," a best-selling title in which explicit sexual content can be unlocked with an Internet download.
The decision followed intense pressure from politicians and media watch groups.
Grand Theft Auto's producer, Rockstar Games, said it was now working on a new version of the game that would satisfy the original "M" for mature rating. It said it would provide new labels to any retailer willing to continue selling the version currently on store shelves.
Rockstar's parent, Take Two Interactive, also admitted for the first time Wednesday that the sex scenes had been built into the retail game -- not just the PC version but also those written for Xbox and PlayStation2 consoles.
Company officials had previously suggested that a modification created by outsiders added the scenes to the game, last year's best seller in consoles.
"There is sex content in the disc," Take-Two spokesman Jim Ankner told The Associated Press. "The editing and finalization of any game is a complicated task and it's not uncommon for unused and unfinished content to remain on the disc."
Rating change will hurt company
The sex scenes, inserted in a game whose main character seeks bloody vengeance on gang-filled streets while pickup scantily clad women, had prompted outrage from parent's groups and politicians including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York.
In a statement, the president of the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) said the sex scenes were programmed by Rockstar "to be inaccessible to the player."
But ESRB chief Patricia Vance also acknowledged that the "credibility and utility" of the industry-run board's initial "M" rating had been "seriously undermined."
Many retailers sell "M" rated games, which "may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older," according to the rating board, but won't sell "AO"-labeled games at all.
Take-Two also said Wednesday that it expects to suffer financially. It lowered its expectations for its current quarter and fiscal year to set aside funds for returns of the games, and figured that net sales could decrease by more than $50 million during the quarter ending July 31.
Shares of Take-Two rose 12 cents to close at $27.07 on the Nasdaq, but later dropped $3.07, or 11.3 percent, in after-hours activity.
The ratings change was vindication for Patrick Wildenbourg, the Dutch programmer who developed and freely distributed the modification that unlocked the controversial content in the game's PC version.
Such "mods" are wildly popular in the hardcore gaming community and -- authorized or not -- exploit the medium's interactive nature to extend the playing life of many popular titles.
Group calls for recall, refunds
Take-Two president Paul Eibeler stressed in a statement that only an unauthorized "mod" makes the sex scenes available, and said "the decision to re-rate a game based on an unauthorized third party modification presents a new challenge for parents, the interactive entertainment industry and anyone who distributes or consumes digital content."
That prompted an angry reaction from David Walsh, founder of the National Institute on the Media and the Family, a Minneapolis-based group that monitors the industry.
Walsh criticized Rockstar for what he called a "carefully worded statement" that leaves the impression that "modders" are responsible for the content. "They did not take responsibility for the fact that this code was created within their company and placed on disks and shipped to responsible retailers."
The Parents Television Council, another group that monitors sex and violence in the media, said it was pleased with the rating switch but called on Rockstar to voluntarily recall the game and offer refunds to anyone who purchased it.
"I tip my cap to that first step of showing responsibility," said Tim Winter, the council's executive director. "Phase two needs to be absolutely getting to the bottom of this coding issue. How did it get into that game? How did it get past the ratings board?"
The ESRB was formed 11 years ago amid congressional pressure to crack down on violent video games. The board now issues ratings for more than 1,000 game titles each year.
Game makers must submit a lengthy form describing the most extreme content, and turn over visual samples and scripted dialogue as each game nears the final stages of development.
FearedSanctity
07-20-2005, 08:45 PM
I can understand why they'd change it, but still....
BULLSHIT
darkpower
07-20-2005, 09:49 PM
Politicians want for the games to be labeled differently because some person who would otherwise be seen as non-existant decided to release something so people can access the parts of the game that weren't supposed to be accessed.
My opinion: Change only the PC version, since unless there is some act of god or something, the PS2 and x-box versions of the coding will never see the light of day.
Who knows, someone may have just forgot to take it out of the final version. We see glitches in games all the time that erase games and lock up games.
On second thought, maybe they SHOULD change those other versions. If it wasn't meant to be accessable, what would that do to a saved game or your current game if it runs into a choking point (where the game would start to lock up games).
The Mackem
07-21-2005, 07:21 AM
I was reading that the difference in the rating is only 1 year (you have to be 18 to buy instead of 17), is this right?
Hired Hitman
07-21-2005, 07:25 AM
Bitch, Bitch, Bitch.
If I saw a perosn that was protesting against the game, then I'd show them a real GTA.
Boomer
07-21-2005, 09:47 AM
I was reading that the difference in the rating is only 1 year (you have to be 18 to buy instead of 17), is this right?
Yes. However, most stores (Wal-Mart included) refuse to stock AO games.
It doesn't matter though. They are remaking the game with the shit out. They'll be fine.
KleptoKlown
07-21-2005, 11:45 AM
If this was anyone but Rockstar, i'd agree with you guys. Rockstar is far too arrogent and full of it...this suites them perfectly.
The Mackem
07-21-2005, 11:55 AM
Yes. However, most stores (Wal-Mart included) refuse to stock AO games.
It doesn't matter though. They are remaking the game with the shit out. They'll be fine.
The difference is one year, are these the same stores that stock ammunition and crap? Good stock policy right there.
Boomer
07-21-2005, 12:08 PM
This whole thing is really stupid to begin with. I can't imagine Rockstar just accidentally leaving that in there.
Shaggy
07-21-2005, 01:31 PM
Yes. However, most stores (Wal-Mart included) refuse to stock AO games.
It doesn't matter though. They are remaking the game with the shit out. They'll be fine.
Yea....word is that Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target...all places like that will be removing it from there shelves and Gamestops and EB Games...places like that will be removing it for a set amount of time. They will eventually get it back but they have to have it off the shelves for a certain time...I dont know why.
AareDub
07-21-2005, 01:46 PM
Yea....word is that Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target...all places like that will be removing it from there shelves and Gamestops and EB Games...places like that will be removing it for a set amount of time. They will eventually get it back but they have to have it off the shelves for a certain time...I dont know why.
GameStop and EB are not removing it for a set amount of time. The policy is that we do no sell AO titles. Unless it gets changed back to M, or there is a policy change in the company, you will not find San Andreas on the shelves at GameStop.
My thoughts on the whole thing is that if they are going to go back and re-rate games they need to take a look at quite a few others. The fact that they are changing the rating based on something you can only get by modifying the code is ridiculous. Sure it's a sex minigame, but did they decide to ignore the sex minigame in God of War? What about Leisure Suit Larry, the whole game is a sex minigame. Hell, you can even modify the code in LSL to remove the censor bars.
Honestly I think the majority of the existing content in GTA:SA was enough to warrant the AO rating, but on the same note I think it should still be available at least at the game stores. I can understand why the Wal-Marts, etc would not want to sell it.
Silent
07-21-2005, 04:12 PM
Well I think it was pretty dumb of Rockstar to leave it in the game, knowing that it would be found. Did they think there wouldn't be a big backlash when some parent with a huge log-sized stick up her ass wouldn't bitch and moan about it when they saw the video game characters fucking?
On the other hand, the game is Mature, and the characters cuss all the time. Any parent with a scrap of intelligence wouldn't let a young child play this. If you're old enough to play this, you can handle some video game sex. People are going to buy it regardless.
KingofOldSchool
07-21-2005, 04:52 PM
*goes and buys San Andreas from work before we pull them off the shelf*
darkpower
07-21-2005, 07:48 PM
Oh, and by the way, the PTC, the same people that are calling for a refund of the game?
Let's not forget what he, the founder, L. Brent Bozell, tried to do the WWE SmackDown and what his actions are doing to the show STILL. He lies, skews, and does anything in his power to make sure him and his cronies are right 110% of the time.
Let's also not forget what group he belonged to before the PTC, the Unification Church.
Yeah, big person to lead a fight against a sex minigame, someone who was involved in a group that brainwashed innocent people to join and support a cult faction.
The Diva
07-21-2005, 10:30 PM
This my friends, is total bullshit. I personally want to know how many of these people complaining have children, under the age of 17, who actually own and have seen these scenes and if there are some, than I want to know how their children got the game in the first place. If you are purchasing San Andreas than you must be atleast 17 therefore if you are old enough to buy it then you are old enough to hack and mod it for whatever reason you like. If there are kids younger than that doing this kind of stuff A) They have too much time on their hands B) They obtained it by technically unlawful means C) Their parents need to do their job better. I'm sure it's much easier to find much worse porn on the internet than the time it takes to actually mod the game hell they probably get worse on the pop-ups they get while searching for it.
Wal-Mart has a history of censorship in music and movies(which is also wrong) so no surprise there but everywhere, over something that you have to be looking for to actually find and is not accessible right out of the box, that's fucked. I think I'll go into every store I can find asking for GTA:SA and when they don't give it to me and give an explanation I then am going to ask them to also remove the tv's and pc's from their stores as they provide the same content. This isn't about right or wrong, it's about censorship and a persons right to make their own decisions on how they live their lives, nobody is going to tell me what is in my 'own best interest'.
Hired Hitman
07-21-2005, 10:37 PM
:yes:
Innovator
07-21-2005, 10:45 PM
To quote a wise man (Master Shake) this is "bitchier than 8 bitches in a bitchboat"
darkpower
07-22-2005, 12:24 AM
Also, one more thing.
Should these senators worry about something more worthwhile, like how the fuck to get out of Iraq or how to get Karl Rove out of there?
Seems to me they would rather worry about what we play and watch and hear rather than worry about any REAL issues.
UmbrellaCorporation
07-23-2005, 04:23 PM
Jack Thompson needs to die.
SEVERAL people from GameFAQs have E-mailed him about the fact that he blatantly ignores the evidence AGAINST gaming causing harm to younger kids. They usually get answers close to "Post this on a public forum, junior.", or "Check into a mental health institute", not to mention for a "highly respected" attorney, he apparently hasn't figured out what a spacebar is.
If anyone isn't familiar with Thompson, he was the one blaming Doom/Halo/and the like for shootings such as Columbine.
The Answer
07-23-2005, 07:19 PM
So what exactly happens in these scenes for those who have seen it....
Silent
07-23-2005, 07:20 PM
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ticket_to_hell
lol
The Answer
07-23-2005, 07:25 PM
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ticket_to_hell
lol
So is that it? Hot coffee is basically a video game girl getting naked?
UmbrellaCorporation
07-23-2005, 09:30 PM
It's a mod where Denise has some "playtime" so to speak with CJ. There's an "excitement" meter for Denise and everything.
How CJ does that without taking his pants off is beyond me, but he does it.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
07-24-2005, 02:37 AM
If all these stores take it off their shelfs how the hell are you suppose to get it?
FearedSanctity
07-24-2005, 02:46 AM
Internet?
Silent
07-24-2005, 03:08 AM
It has to be unlocked using a downloaded hack for PC, or an Action Replay (hack device) for the consoles. So basically it has to be looked for, so if you come across it, I believe its your fault, not the developers.
Sure, it wasn't the best idea putting it in there if they knew it was possible to be unlocked, but you have to TRY to see it, it's not like it just suddenly pops up in your face.
Hilary Clinton is a fuckwad.
Drakul
07-24-2005, 06:03 AM
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/57/1345/1600/GTA%20Comic1.jpg
UmbrellaCorporation
07-24-2005, 12:03 PM
See, I don't get that either.
Why the hell would you change the rating based on something that ISN'T in the main game itself? Many people are just fine using health/ammo cheats within a game, and don't go looking for crap like that.
I concur with Silent. Hilary and Thompson both fail at life.
darkpower
07-24-2005, 02:54 PM
http://www.comics.com/editoons/rogers/archive/images/rogers2005072149494.gif
The Mackem
07-26-2005, 08:23 AM
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ticket_to_hell
lol
Classic
HeartBreakMan2k
07-26-2005, 02:04 PM
GameStop and EB are not removing it for a set amount of time. The policy is that we do no sell AO titles. Unless it gets changed back to M, or there is a policy change in the company, you will not find San Andreas on the shelves at GameStop.
My thoughts on the whole thing is that if they are going to go back and re-rate games they need to take a look at quite a few others. The fact that they are changing the rating based on something you can only get by modifying the code is ridiculous. Sure it's a sex minigame, but did they decide to ignore the sex minigame in God of War? What about Leisure Suit Larry, the whole game is a sex minigame. Hell, you can even modify the code in LSL to remove the censor bars.
Honestly I think the majority of the existing content in GTA:SA was enough to warrant the AO rating, but on the same note I think it should still be available at least at the game stores. I can understand why the Wal-Marts, etc would not want to sell it.
For the record, we (EB Games) are the onnly company still selling it. We just have to remove any promotion (ie: signs, banners, etc) refering to it. Leave the games in the back room, and must have a valid ID proving age. Even if you look 89 I still have to see a card, you can only hand me the money and I can only hand you the game. So no more of "just give the bag to him, it's his game".
AareDub
07-26-2005, 02:47 PM
Until we take you over. Mwhaha :p
J/k
KleptoKlown
07-27-2005, 07:45 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/fun.games/07/27/game.lawsuit.ap/index.html
Woman sues video game manufacturer
NEW YORK (AP) -- A woman upset that she bought the video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" for her 14-year-old grandson without knowing it contained hidden, sexually explicit scenes sued the manufacturer Wednesday on behalf of consumers nationwide.
Florence Cohen, 85, of New York, said in the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan that the game's manufacturer, Rockstar Games, and its parent company, New York-based Take Two Interactive Software Inc., engaged in false, misleading and deceptive practices.
She sought unspecified damages on behalf of herself and all consumers nationwide, saying the company should give up its profits from the game for what amounted to false advertising, consumer deception and unfair business practices.
Cohen said in the suit that she bought the game in late 2004 for her grandson when it was rated "M" for mature, for players 17 and older. According to the suit, she directed that it be taken away from her grandson, which was done.
The game was released in October with an "M" rating. After a storm of negative publicity about the hidden scenes, the Entertainment Software Ratings Board, an industry group responsible for rating games, changed the rating to "AO" for adults only.
Laurence D. Paskowitz, the lawyer who filed the lawsuit on behalf of Cohen, said no parent would knowingly buy an adult-only video game for their children.
"They should really make sure this doesn't happen again," he said. "The least this company can do is offer refunds."
Hidden areas in video games that can be unlocked with special codes or modifications are not uncommon.
Take Two Interactive initially said the scenes were not part of the retail version of the game but later admitted they were.
A message left for a company spokesman was not immediately returned. On Tuesday, Take-Two announced that it had been notified by the Federal Trade Commission's Division of Advertising Practices that it was conducting an inquiry into the game's advertising claims.
The company said it planned to cooperate fully with the probe.
"Rockstar Games and Take Two Interactive regret that consumers may have been exposed to content that was not intended to be accessible in the playable version of 'Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas'," it said in a statement.
The company said it had halted production of the game in the controversial form and was working on a version of the game without the hidden sexual content.
"Going forward, the company will refine the process by which it edits games and will enhance the protection of its game code to prevent such future modifications," it said.
Earlier this week, the House voted 355-21 for a resolution asking the FTC to investigate the company. Last week, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, asked the FTC to investigate Rockstar, saying the company had "gamed the ratings system" by concealing sex scenes in the game that can be unlocked by computer programs available on the Internet.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Target Corp., Best Buy Co. and Circuit City Stores Inc. have pulled the game -- last year's top-seller among console games -- from their shelves following the rating change.
Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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fuck me, if thats not the stupidest thing i've seen.
this game was rated M, which is for 17+ year olds, yet she bought it for her 14 year old grandson....and nows she's suing?
someone should sue her for buying this game for a minor. dumb fucking cunt.
Lara Emily
07-27-2005, 11:49 PM
I like that the woman is suing on behalf of everyone else. Though if she wins I bet she keeps all the money for herself.
KleptoKlown
07-28-2005, 12:39 AM
that woman should be shot for buying an M game, then getting pissed at the content.
that game already has enough "shits" and "fucks" plus the hooker, car stealing and killing, that a grandma should not be buying this game for a grandson if shes worried about what he might see or hear.
thats really whats wrong with a lot of these people. I'd rather have my kid watch sex..be it tasteful or not, then be playing a game doing all the other stuff that warrented a M rating. Shoot someone in the head, call him a nigger....no problem, but show some cartoon boobies, and shit hits the fan
LoDownM
07-28-2005, 01:58 AM
This kinda shit is bullshit. They put a AO rating on this game, but not games like LSL, or the guy game. Seriously, the goveerment puts way to much time, money and effrot into shit like this, it's bullshit and a waste of fucking time.
Fucking senators, why don't you try fixing real problems, like figuring out a way to get gas prices lowerd, or some other important shit.
UmbrellaCorporation
07-29-2005, 05:13 PM
This kinda shit is bullshit. They put a AO rating on this game, but not games like LSL, or the guy game. Seriously, the goveerment puts way to much time, money and effrot into shit like this, it's bullshit and a waste of fucking time.
Fucking senators, why don't you try fixing real problems, like figuring out a way to get gas prices lowerd, or some other important shit.
:y:
Kane Knight
07-29-2005, 05:42 PM
fuck me, if thats not the stupidest thing i've seen.
this game was rated M, which is for 17+ year olds, yet she bought it for her 14 year old grandson....and nows she's suing?
someone should sue her for buying this game for a minor. dumb fucking cunt.
I want to sue her for wasting our time and screwing up the legal system.
Kane Knight
07-29-2005, 05:44 PM
This kinda shit is bullshit. They put a AO rating on this game, but not games like LSL, or the guy game. Seriously, the goveerment puts way to much time, money and effrot into shit like this, it's bullshit and a waste of fucking time.
Fucking senators, why don't you try fixing real problems, like figuring out a way to get gas prices lowerd, or some other important shit.
Let's see...
Because the oil companies and car manufacturers have lobbyists, while the video games don't? This is a soft issue, because it's controversial enough to get media attention, but won't get anyone in trouble for rallying against it.
Blanka
07-29-2005, 06:56 PM
This reminds me...
I'm going to sue Virgin Digital because their slogan is "Even your Grandma think's it's hot". And my grandmother was a diabetic and always cold, and she's also dead. Their slogan offends me. I demand $84916578941.34 for damage and suffering to my heart and emotions.
Blanka
07-29-2005, 06:57 PM
btw the color red pisses me off so that's another $1400..
gonna sue tpww too
darkpower
07-30-2005, 03:08 AM
This kinda shit is bullshit. They put a AO rating on this game, but not games like LSL, or the guy game. Seriously, the goveerment puts way to much time, money and effrot into shit like this, it's bullshit and a waste of fucking time.
Fucking senators, why don't you try fixing real problems, like figuring out a way to get gas prices lowerd, or some other important shit.
Or trying to figure out what our real intentions were for going to Iraq.
I tell you, kids are more likely to be corrupted into starting a war for WMD vaporware these days than getting a high from imitating a game.
RoXer
07-30-2005, 03:31 PM
Yet another chapter in the saga...
Australia Bans San Andreas
"Hot Coffee" burns Aussie ratings board.
by Wade Steel
July 29, 2005 - Australia's Office of Film and Literature Classification today revoked the MA15+ classification for Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas due to the now-infamous "Hot Coffee" content, according to a report at GameBiz.com.au.
According to the Australian ratings agency, the unlockable "Hot Coffee" content forced the group to revoke the game's classification because of the "pornographic" nature of the material.
With this ruling, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas can no longer be sold or rented in Australia.
darkpower
07-30-2005, 08:48 PM
Yet another chapter in the saga...
Australia Bans San Andreas
"Hot Coffee" burns Aussie ratings board.
by Wade Steel
July 29, 2005 - Australia's Office of Film and Literature Classification today revoked the MA15+ classification for Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas due to the now-infamous "Hot Coffee" content, according to a report at GameBiz.com.au.
According to the Australian ratings agency, the unlockable "Hot Coffee" content forced the group to revoke the game's classification because of the "pornographic" nature of the material.
With this ruling, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas can no longer be sold or rented in Australia.Wasn't the GTA series banned in Austrailia or something like that, anyway?
Like the Ammunation commercial in the game said about Australia: "Win an actual anti-aircraft gun, actually used when we whooped Australia's ass!"
Kane Knight
08-01-2005, 01:17 AM
This reminds me...
I'm going to sue Virgin Digital because their slogan is "Even your Grandma think's it's hot". And my grandmother was a diabetic and always cold, and she's also dead. Their slogan offends me. I demand $84916578941.34 for damage and suffering to my heart and emotions.
Your portrayal of diabetics as cold offends me, and thus I plan on suing you. I, sir, also have diabetics in my family, and find your comment to be in poor taste.
On a tangent, have you seen Penn and Teller's BULLSHIT? One episode deals with this woman from "hush-up.com" or .net or something. It's funny, because while she crusades for people to stop using language she finds in poor taste, she has not problem blaspheming someone else's religious figure.
Sorta tangential comment there, but the "I'm suing because this offends me" stuff made me think of it.
LoDownM
08-01-2005, 02:52 AM
BULLSHIT! is freakin awesome.
Blanka
08-02-2005, 01:38 AM
Your portrayal of diabetics as cold offends me, and thus I plan on suing you. I, sir, also have diabetics in my family, and find your comment to be in poor taste.
You suck and I hate you. Neener neener neener.
I'm going to sue you, btw.
Kane Knight
08-02-2005, 11:09 AM
No. :'(
UmbrellaCorporation
08-02-2005, 04:41 PM
Kane Knight,
I demand one bazillion dollars for the fact that your name is one letter 'K' away from having the same acronym as a racist based group. There were some African Americans in my family a LONG way back, and I think I may distantly be related to them (:shifty: ). Also, by having the word Knight in your name, you're suggesting that you like the "night", which makes you sound Goth. In turn, you discriminate against my friends and I for wearing sweater vests. I'll see you in court.
....BITCH. :shifty: (Just kidding, I'm still your manwhore!)
Jalapeņo
08-02-2005, 04:53 PM
UmbrellaCorporation,
I am going to sue you for 694632163.3 sdofnadsofn-illlion dollars. You have "Umbrella" in your name and I once tried to jump off my roof with my umbrella because I saw Mary Poppins do it. I injured myself and Umbrella brings back harmful memories.
UmbrellaCorporation
08-02-2005, 09:47 PM
UmbrellaCorporation,
I am going to sue you for 694632163.3 sdofnadsofn-illlion dollars. You have "Umbrella" in your name and I once tried to jump off my roof with my umbrella because I saw Mary Poppins do it. I injured myself and Umbrella brings back harmful memories.
I deserved that. :'(
Jalapeņo
08-03-2005, 10:27 PM
You used the " :'( " who has been released by TPWW. I have officially become his lawyer and we will be sueing you for every umbrella you own.
Good Day.
Jaton
08-11-2005, 02:41 AM
Subsequently, after I saw that, my girlfriend got pregnant.
DAMN YOU HOT COFFEE, YOU'RE RUINING MY LIFE!
Kane Knight
08-12-2005, 02:57 PM
Subsequently, after I saw that, my girlfriend got pregnant.
DAMN YOU HOT COFFEE, YOU'RE RUINING MY LIFE!
GOD DAMMIT, you're not supposed to stick the memory card in her slot.
Kane Knight
08-12-2005, 02:58 PM
Anyone hear about Jack Thompson coming after the Sims 2 now? I doubt legal action is to be taken, but I'd laugh if it was. He claimed they're gleefully participating in pornography or some shit.
Kapoutman
08-12-2005, 04:07 PM
He's also coming after Killer 7.
Kapoutman
08-12-2005, 04:08 PM
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2005-08-08
Jaton
08-12-2005, 08:01 PM
GOD DAMMIT, you're not supposed to stick the memory card in her slot.
That has to be one of the greatest euphamisms I've ever heard.
Drakul
08-14-2005, 05:59 AM
its old but I just thought youd want to know.Sorry if its posted already.
Sims 2 content "worse than Hot Coffee"
Miami attorney Jack Thompson claims cheat codes make EA's life sim a pedophile's paradise by showing genitalia; calls for ban on T-rated game.
How do you like your hot coffee? If you're Jack Thompson, you like it scalding game publisher's laps. The Miami attorney and antigaming activist has done his share to see that games don't fall into the wrong hands. And lately, those hands have belonged to almost everyone.
Thompson was among those who spearheaded the recent effort to slap an "Adults Only" rating on Rockstar Games' Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and he's often been on the forefront of many other gaming issues, several of which have targeted the crime-spree-based GTA franchise. In the past, he's represented defendants who have been the victims of GTA-inspired crimes, including the triple homicide of three police officers by an 18-year-old boy in Alabama.
His beef with San Andreas? Unused code in the game that depicts sexual acts. These minigames can be unlocked by using game-cheat devices or patches available on the Internet.
Thompson is on a roll...and he's not done yet. His latest goat is a game that doesn't involve guns, carjacking, or prostitutes: He's going after Electronic Arts' The Sims 2.
In a manifesto sent today to press outlets, Thompson focuses on dismantling the Entertainment Software Ratings Board and exposing what he calls the industry's "latest dirty little secret." The secret's out now, and it involves nude sims.
In the statement, Thompson says, "Sims 2, the latest version of the Sims video game franchise ... contains, according to video game news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair."
The Sims 2 is a "life simulator." In the game, players steer their digital beings around their cyberlives. Actions include everything from the spectacular (getting married, having children, receiving promotions at work) to the mundane (cooking microwaved meals, going to the bathroom, mopping the floor). Such activities, as in real life, sometimes require nudity. EA circumvents inappropriateness by "blurring" out the nether regions, almost to a comical sense.
Knowing that the game is popular among all ages, EA has even taken steps to ensure that Sims fans aren't exposed to indecent depictions. In the recent expansion pack, The Sims 2 University, gamers can send their teenage sims off to college. However, instead of packing the expansion with "keggers" and "reefer," EA chose to use juice and bubble blowers.
Thompson doesn't seem to care. He cites a cheat code that can remove the blur that covers the nether regions. "The nudity placed there by the publisher/maker, Electronic Arts, is accessed by the use of a simple code that removes what is called 'the blur' which obscures the genital areas. In other words, the game was released to the public by the manufacturer knowing that the full frontal nudity was resident on the game and would be accessed by use of a simple code widely provided on the Internet."
It's not just the adults that are liberated from their wardrobes. Sims kids can also be nudified, "much to the delight, one can be sure, of pedophiles around the globe who can rehearse, in virtual reality, for their abuse."
Were this to be true, Thompson would have his smoking gun, and EA would be forced to recall all copies of The Sims 2. However, it's what's under the blur that Thompson's after. And what happens when the blur is lifted? A simple mannequin-esque smooth body, according to EA.
Jeff Brown, vice president of corporate communications at EA, in response to the accusations, told GameSpot, "This is nonsense. We've reviewed 100 percent of the content. There is no content inappropriate for a teen audience. Players never see a nude sim. If someone with an extreme amount of expertise and time were to remove the pixels, they would see that the sims have no genitals. They appear like Ken and Barbie."
Thompson doesn't buy it. "The sex and the nudity are in the game. That's the point. The blur is an admission that even the 'Ken and Barbie' features should not be displayed. The blur can be disarmed. This is no different than what is in San Andreas, although worse."
[UPDATE] Thompson this afternoon updated his earlier statement, saying he is aware certain mods only remove "the blur," but adds that "Electronic Arts has done nothing about this." Thompson's new conclusion: EA is "cooperating, gleefully, with the mod community to turn Sims 2 into a porn offering."
The last time we checked, The Sims 2 was rated T for Teen by the ESRB, which means that anyone 13 years of age, with $50 to spend, can purchase the game.
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source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_6129609.html
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I bet hes a pervert himself and thinks by doing all this no one will suspect him.
Disturbed316
08-14-2005, 03:41 PM
lol
Kane Knight
08-17-2005, 12:21 AM
its old but I just thought youd want to know.Sorry if its posted already.
I alluded to it, but it's not been posted.
UmbrellaCorporation
08-17-2005, 01:16 AM
He's also coming after Killer 7.
Ugh, don't even remind me of that. Killer 7 is one of the most innovative and fun games I've ever played. It makes me sick to think that people pay this moron to represent them in a court of law.
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