View Full Version : Apologies to Bret?
Marc the Smark
08-02-2005, 01:38 PM
As most of you probably know, Bret Hart was recently on "Between the Ropes." What he was basically saying about a return, I think, was that he wants an apology from Vince.
Do you think Bret is asking too much? Do you think Vince would ever apologize? Post your thoughts.
SuperSlim
08-02-2005, 01:39 PM
no and yes
Shaggy
08-02-2005, 01:54 PM
I dont think he is asking for to much. I mean its not like hes asking for a return and to hold the belt right away. He just wants an apology from McMahon for screwing him in that final match. Id ask for the same.
Do I think Vince will apologize?...If Vince wants Bret to return to hype the DVD then yes he will. As he said before he does things that are good business decisions. Bringing Bret back to hype the dvd is a good decision and if that means Vince has to say he is sorry then Im thinking he will do it.
The One
08-02-2005, 02:35 PM
Vince might say it, but I doubt he means it.
In retrospect screwing Bret was one of the best business moves Vince ever made, how else could you take a fan favorite announcer, owner of (at that time) a thrid generation family owned promotion, and turn him into the biggest heel and jackass just in time to go toe to toe with the biggest anti-athority face ever? He created Mr. McMahon when he screwed Bret, and I am sure not a day goes by were Vince isn't happy about how that all played out, hell he is STILL reeping the benefits.
I think the closest Bret will get to a legit apology is Vince saying he is sorry for how things ended up playing out for him. But a full blown sincer "I'm sorry." I doubt it.
Chavo Classic
08-02-2005, 04:32 PM
Vince has a lot of self-respect, but don't think for a second there's nothing he wouldn't to help his business.
When it comes to the future of his product then Vince would whore out just about anything. His daughter, his son, his wife, and his own ass (anyone remember the Kiss My Ass club?)
So, like The One said, he would say 'I'm sorry' if it meant getting Brett back. But even if he went down to the middle of the ring, get down on his knees and even beg him to come back if it meant more viewers and more revenue - he wouldn't mean it. He'd be doing what was best for his business.
Anybody Thrilla
08-02-2005, 04:35 PM
I dunno about Bret, but words as apologies mean very little to me. I accept my apologies in monetary donations.
MandyCandy
08-02-2005, 04:37 PM
Vince better apologies to Bret! Hart gave the best years of his life to Vince's company, he sacrificed family time, years on the road, his body, and is soul to make Vince a few more dollars. Bret even stuck by Vince long after WCW had offered him more money! All Bret wanted was a chance to leave his country the champion, and Vince screwed him! Hell yeah he should say "I'm sorry" for dicking over the man who basically kept his failing company afloat for years.
PureHatred
08-02-2005, 06:07 PM
Vince might say it, but I doubt he means it.
Vince screwed Bret. Bret got pissed. Vince took it out on Owen. Owen dies doing a gimmick he would never had been doing had Vince not been a fucking baby.
Yeah I think an apology, a sincere apology wouldn't go a miss.
Vince has a lot of self-respect, but don't think for a second there's nothing he wouldn't to help his business.
When it comes to the future of his product then Vince would whore out just about anything. His daughter, his son, his wife, and his own ass (anyone remember the Kiss My Ass club?)
So, like The One said, he would say 'I'm sorry' if it meant getting Brett back. But even if he went down to the middle of the ring, get down on his knees and even beg him to come back if it meant more viewers and more revenue - he wouldn't mean it. He'd be doing what was best for his business.
Self-respect? Have you seen what he does on TV and with his family (including looking at your own daughters tits)?
Innovator
08-02-2005, 07:24 PM
The apology would be as sincere as Raven's in ECW.
Corkscrewed
08-02-2005, 07:32 PM
Vince might say it, but I doubt he means it.
In retrospect screwing Bret was one of the best business moves Vince ever made, how else could you take a fan favorite announcer, owner of (at that time) a thrid generation family owned promotion, and turn him into the biggest heel and jackass just in time to go toe to toe with the biggest anti-athority face ever? He created Mr. McMahon when he screwed Bret, and I am sure not a day goes by were Vince isn't happy about how that all played out, hell he is STILL reeping the benefits.
I think the closest Bret will get to a legit apology is Vince saying he is sorry for how things ended up playing out for him. But a full blown sincer "I'm sorry." I doubt it.
I completely agree.
RemyRed
08-02-2005, 08:47 PM
The apology would be as sincere as Raven's in ECW.
lol That fucking jew.
vampiro03
08-02-2005, 09:23 PM
Vince screwed Bret. Bret got pissed. Vince took it out on Owen. Owen dies doing a gimmick he would never had been doing had Vince not been a fucking baby.
Yeah I think an apology, a sincere apology wouldn't go a miss.
are you actually blaming vince mcmahon had orchestrated the owen hart tragedy? come on dude. I think they are two of the biggest hard headed people on earth. Both wants the other to take the first step. Its that simple. Bret NEEDS to be inducted in to the HAF someday, I would love to see THEM come to an understanding. Who says it, in my mind doesn't matter
Londoner
08-02-2005, 11:10 PM
I reckon Vince should apologise on a personal level, but on a business level you can't argue that's one of the best things he's ever done.
loopydate
08-03-2005, 12:20 AM
Hell yeah he should say "I'm sorry" for dicking over the man who basically kept his failing company afloat for years.
LOL. Just... LOL.
Zen v.W.o.
08-03-2005, 12:21 AM
What are you laughing about. The woman was partly right.
Innovator
08-03-2005, 12:26 AM
lol That fucking jew.
the best part was that Sandman built the crucifix
from the ROH Straight Shooting with Sandman & Raven
*paraphrased* Raven: "Taz was like 'why did you use a cross?' What was I gonna do use a Star of David and roll Sandman down the street?"
Volchok
08-03-2005, 12:27 AM
:lol:
loopydate
08-03-2005, 12:45 AM
What are you laughing about. The woman was partly right.
I'm sorry, Bret was a fantastic performer, but he did not keep that company afloat during that time period. He always put on the best match of the night (or, on occasion, HBK or Owen would do it), but Bret didn't carry the company. I have no idea what did, but during the nether days of the WrestleCrap Era, I can guarantee it wasn't a pure grappler with old-school mic skills.
Zen v.W.o.
08-03-2005, 12:53 AM
I'm sorry, Bret was a fantastic performer, but he did not keep that company afloat during that time period. He always put on the best match of the night (or, on occasion, HBK or Owen would do it), but Bret didn't carry the company. I have no idea what did, but during the nether days of the WrestleCrap Era, I can guarantee it wasn't a pure grappler with old-school mic skills.
Well I did say partly true, meaning without him, at a time of very few credible main eventers, in fact, at a time when there were very few credible wrestlers, the wwe would have been in dire straights. Would they have survived without him? Yeah sure, I think so, the company and Vince would have done something to make sure of that, but the ratings seriously would have tanked. Without him and HBK, along with perhaps Bulldog, Taker and Owen..Razor for the time he was there..they had nothing else but crap gimmicks and awful wrestlers. Finally Vince wisened up and dumped the gimmicky wrestlers, while allowing more realistic angles to take place.
Vince, without doing that, would have drowned his own company, but losing any of his top stars at that time would have left them without a paddle.
loopydate
08-03-2005, 01:05 AM
Agreed. I was just laughing at the fact that there are people who are so blinded by their Hart markdom (and subsequent loathing of McMahon) that they have themselves convinced that, without Bret, WWF would have folded in the early-to-mid-'90s.
Kris P Lettus
08-03-2005, 01:07 AM
If he comes back, I hope he gets kicked in the head again...
Lara Emily
08-03-2005, 01:27 AM
If he comes back, I hope he gets kicked in the head again...
That would probably kill him.
are you actually blaming vince mcmahon had orchestrated the owen hart tragedy? come on dude. I think they are two of the biggest hard headed people on earth. Both wants the other to take the first step. Its that simple. Bret NEEDS to be inducted in to the HAF someday, I would love to see THEM come to an understanding. Who says it, in my mind doesn't matter
Vince put Owen in a stupid gimmick because Owen wouldn't do saucy angles with Debra McMichael. He was put with her after he lied about pushing Owen to get him back after Montreal. It was his responsibility to look after his employees as the chairman of the company. He has taken ZERO blame for it. I think that sucks.
Kris P Lettus
08-03-2005, 02:27 PM
That would probably kill him.
Fucking A right!!1!
I'm sorry, Bret was a fantastic performer, but he did not keep that company afloat during that time period. He always put on the best match of the night (or, on occasion, HBK or Owen would do it), but Bret didn't carry the company. I have no idea what did, but during the nether days of the WrestleCrap Era, I can guarantee it wasn't a pure grappler with old-school mic skills.
Actually, he did. Diesel, Sid and Shawn Michaels did horrible buisness when they were champs. Hence why they ALWAYS went back to Bret Hart. European tours kept the WWF afloat during the mid 90's and Bret Hart was the number one draw one all of them (Davey Boy Smith didn't have the same drawing power when he came back and Bret Hart was already the top man).
Loose Cannon
08-03-2005, 10:01 PM
I see Rob has taken care of business in here. :yes:
good, I don't have to argue now.
vampiro03
08-03-2005, 10:07 PM
rob only has one more for 15,000 wow.
MandyCandy
08-03-2005, 10:16 PM
Maybe I mis-spoke about the keeping WWE afloat, how about this, Bret Hart saved the McMahon check book from using up their red pens.
Ol Dirty Dastard
08-03-2005, 10:36 PM
I see Rob has taken care of business in here. :yes:
good, I don't have to argue now.
Ol Dirty Dastard
08-03-2005, 10:37 PM
And Bret also made Austin, in that match at WM 13.
Batsu
08-03-2005, 10:45 PM
Self-respect? Have you seen what he does on TV and with his family (including looking at your own daughters tits)?
When was THIS?
That's kind of ....effed up.
TerranRich
08-03-2005, 11:43 PM
Well, it was just something that a lot of people everywhere caught notice of: Vince ogling Steph's tits. I think it was while helping into/out of a limousine or something.
When was THIS?
That's kind of ....effed up.
When HHH and Steph did the second marriage angle where Hunter smashed up the set.
den1982
08-05-2005, 12:18 AM
Bret Hart Best ther is
TerranRich
08-05-2005, 12:23 AM
bes thur wuz beds teh evar will B yea man eye hear yaa
TerranRich
08-05-2005, 12:25 AM
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/brethart1/brethart/photos/17.jpg
You never see this happen anymore, other wrestlers congratulating another like this.
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