NCAA partially bans them injun mascots

[RoXer]

NCAA partially bans Indian mascots
/ Associated Press
Posted: 2 minutes ago

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - The NCAA banned the use of American Indian mascots by sports teams during its postseason tournaments, but will not prohibit them otherwise.

The NCAA's executive committee decided this week the organization did not have the authority to bar Indian mascots by individual schools, committee chairman Walter Harrison said Friday.
Nicknames or mascots deemed "hostile or abusive" would not be allowed by teams on their uniforms or other clothing beginning with any NCAA tournament after Feb. 1, said Harrison, the University of Hartford's president.

"What each institution decides to do is really its own business" outside NCAA championship events, he said.

Guidelines were not immediately available on which logos and nicknames would be considered "hostile or abusive."

The NCAA two years ago recommended that schools determine for themselves whether the Indian depictions were offensive.

Among the schools to change nicknames in recent years over such concerns were St. John's (from Redmen to Red Storm) and Marquette (from Warriors to Golden Eagles).

The NCAA plans to ban schools using Indian nicknames from hosting postseason events. Harrison said schools with such mascots that have already been selected as tournament sites would be asked to cover any offensive logos.

Such logos also would be prohibited at postseason games on cheerleader and band uniforms starting in 2008.

[el fregadero]

FSU better not change their name. I will be right upset if they do.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I am going to start a collge. Woburn College White Dudes

Do any of you (seeing how the TPWW population is about 98% white) find that offensive?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If this means Hawaii will go by the Rainbows then I am all for it.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I am going to start a collge. Woburn College White Dudes

Do any of you (seeing how the TPWW population is about 98% white) find that offensive?
Yeah but how many times has there been racism against whites? That's the issue.

[Loose Cannon]

everything is an issue these days

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Ok, but think about it this way: if I walked up to you and called you a kyke would you be offended? Probably not. However, a Jewish person probably would. So just because it's not offensive to you doesn't make it ok.

Plus Miami of Ohio changed their mascot a few years ago and now they have the coolest unis in football.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yeah but how many times has there been racism against whites? That's the issue.
True, but its not like "Warriors" is really that racist. I can understand the Redskins being deemed that. But stuff like Seminoles, Warriors, etc I don't really see how you could be offended by those.

[Silent]

Yeah but how many times has there been racism against whites? That's the issue.

Not that I support racism but a lot of people make fun of white people.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Making fun of a group of people is slightly different than murdering them and taking their land.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Redskins is the only name I can really see that would be offensive though. I don't know why Warrior is even offensive at all...That isn't a strictly Native American thing.

[loopydate]

I'm a graduate of Central Michigan University (the Chippewas). Every year, some young spoiled white freshman would inevitably try to get a petition going to change the name, only for the local Saginaw Chippewa tribe to come out and say "Uh, we don't mind the name."

CMU has banned potentially offensive "Indian" stuff from the stadiums (fans aren't allowed to do the "tomahawk chop," or war whoop, or wear headdresses or anything like that), and the tribe is perfectly happy.

Front page news of today's paper is that CMU and the Saginaw Chippewas are filing a formal protest with the NCAA. I've heard that Florida State and the Seminoles are doing the same. Hopefully, the NCAA will realize they stepped way over the line in blanket-banning Native nicknames without first consulting the individual universities.

[RoXer]

Redskins is the only name I can really see that would be offensive though.

That, and theres a college called the "Savages". That's a bit much as well. Don't know which college it is though.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Stuff that is ridiculous I can see. Seminoles I can't see being offensive. I would think that would be kind of cool though since its almost like honoring the people that originated from there. Then again I'm not a Native American so I guess I can't really speak for them.

[The Outlaw]

Actually you're right. I have quite a bit of Indian blood in me (my great grandma was full blooded), and I have talked to a guy that taught at reservations and he said they all thought it was cool and kind of a tribute to name schools after tribes. They all wore Seminole, Chippewa, and the like clothing.

[BCWWF]

On the radio today they were taking calls on this issue and I thought they had good arguments for both side. One is basically what Stima said in post #14, and going along with what The Outlaw said, a California senator wanted to change all of the California high school teams named after Native Americans or whatever, but then 99% of the indians affected said they didn't care.

The other side of the issue a caller brought up was that the Indians are already thought of as fighting savages, and to use these names as football teams etc. puts them in an even lower light, because it reinforces the idea that they were all savage-like.

Personally, and I think the board is kind of leaning in this direction too, I think that it should be based on an individual basis. A lot of the times there is more to the name then whats on the surface. For example, my school is the Tigers, simple enough right? Well actually they are named after a group that defended the city during the civil war and they went by the Tigers. Thats just an example, but I'm sure most of those schools are named that for a reason.

I would be dissapointed if North Dakota had to give up the Fighting Souix and Florida State had to give up Seminoles.

[BCWWF]

As for the Redskins being the only offensive name...

http://www.ticketsconcertssports.com/indian.jpg

This one is considered particularly offensive to a lot of people. The Minneapolis newspaper only refers to them as Cleveland, they won't say Indians.

[YOUR Hero]

Yet I've seen logos created by natives tribes up here, I'm sure elsewhere too, promoting their gas station or casino that (one example) has an Indian in a full head dress and a buckskin loin cloth, nothing else, running with a gas nozzle in his hand. The head is turned and on this Indians face is a dumb ass smile.

[el fregadero]

I would be dissapointed if North Dakota had to give up the Fighting Souix and Florida State had to give up Seminoles.
No more offensive than Notre Dame.

[BCWWF]

The argument for that would be one of a few things. First, most people at Notre Dame are Catholic, and most of them Irish. Second, the name was likely created by an Irishman. Third, the Irish are/have been descriminated against, but not to the extent that the Indians have, and their nickname doesn't imply the negative aspects that some say the Indian names do. Just thought I'd throw out the opposition.