View Full Version : Open Letter to WWE Creative
Blue Demon
08-06-2005, 05:24 PM
I agree with a lot (s)he has to say:
http://www.pwbts.com/messages/4428.htm
what do you guys think?
Loose Cannon
08-06-2005, 06:09 PM
I seriously believe the creative team had nothing to do with that HBK promo. That was all his idea. Just like Eddie and Rey at the begginning of the feud.
CharismaInjection
08-06-2005, 06:17 PM
HBK rocks, that was the best promo I've ever seen. So good, even as a heel, the crowd were cheeering him and agreeing with him.
Mr. Nerfect
08-06-2005, 06:20 PM
OK, let me just say I can understand why the WWE wouldn't hire people from the internet. They're not experienced, etc. But they have to remember they are writing a show for wrestling fans, not Nickeledeon fans. Searching the internet for people that know they're stuff, and know ho to create a smart yet approachable angles, is something the WWE should be doing.
Hell, hire a team of elite internet writers (who have qualifications mind you), and have them write the general feud synopsis, and have the Hollywood writers tweak it and make it a little more "WWE-ish". Have the wrestlers then perform using it as a guideline. The WWE should give its stars a little room to chop and change what is and isn't working.
Shove the Hollywood writers in a room with Pat Patterson for a day (get your mind away from the images you're no doubt picturing), and have a "wrestling education day", where the Hollywood writers that show improvement and understanding of the business and what works and what doesn't, can then go on to write for the WWE again.
I don't know how television and all that writing stuff works for sure, but the WWE could really use some minds that know what they're doing.
Mr. Nerfect
08-06-2005, 06:32 PM
HBK rocks, that was the best promo I've ever seen. So good, even as a heel, the crowd were cheeering him and agreeing with him.
I don't remember the reaction exactly, but I think I remember most of it being quite except for the die-hard HBK marks and smart fans who were clapping and cheering along with Michaels. The rest were silent. This is the reaction I like the most. What could they do? Boo? HBK was being hilarious and was telling the truth. Cheer? He was insulting their "hero", Hulk Hogan.
I really like it when the WWE goes more "real" with their characters. Why in Hell should anyone fear Hogan? I mean, sure, the guy could kick some ass still, but HBK can work circles around the Hulkster. It's that element Hogan brings to the table, that fanbase. If HBK destroys Hulkamania, what becomes of Michaels? What then? After HBK has proven he's THE legend in sports entertainment, what happens to Hogan? When HBK goes silent these days, it's because he's walking down a path of inevitability, which is something HBK has controlled his entire career. He's on a path he can't turn away from, which is showing its changes in the Michaels. He doesn't fear Hogan, he fears what he will be after Summerslam.
None of this is about Hulk Hogan, it is all about Shawn Michaels, and what path he is on. Brilliant feud, IMO, there's just not enough focus on what HBK is REALLY going through. This match has been booked as being all about the past, and not about one man's future, which is where I think the real contest lies.
On the topic of "real" characters, I am hoping that promo I suggested Jericho cut on John Cena happens this week on RAW. Will it? No chance in Hell, but if it did, I think it would make this Summerslam a classic.
Have Jericho come out, and dress down Cena, talking about how he's wrestled in Japan, Mexico, Canada, American, Australia, Korea, etc. and have him drop the names of SMW, ECW, WCW & WWE. Have him talk about being the first-true represenative of the belt Cena has digraced. Mention how Jericho has been held back my management his entire career and how the fans have turned their back on him because he's disrespecting Stephanie McMahon's favourite project (referring to John Cena), who has been pushed constantly by the WWE. Have him close with the line....THE CHAMP.......IS.......JERICHO!!!!!!!!!!
You have already established Jericho's heat by having him attack Cena from behind, screwing him over once as Special Guest Ref, then attempting to do it again. The imagery all points to Jericho being the bad guy, but he justifies it all in his mind. Jericho remains the "heel", but he makes a perfectly presentable case as to why he should be the focus of attention. If the fans turn on Cena, then obviously Jericho's the bigger guy, right? If the fans stay in Cena's corner, you have the new megaface of the era, and a paranoid anti-fans heel in Chris Jericho.
Kane Knight
08-06-2005, 06:33 PM
The thing is,m a lot of the people on the internet have REAL wrestling experience. While they may have a vendetta against the internet (Pro Wrestling is about grudges, tenure, and who's sleeping with hwo), common sense would dictate that you ouwldn't want to discount the entire community, since a lot of people use the net to look for jobs and may very well have the requisite experience with pro wrestling.
jindrak
08-07-2005, 04:15 PM
No disrespect, but creative (and more importanly, SML) could careless what a internet smark has to say about the product.
If you think you're a better writer, go to the careers section of WWE.com and send your resume. If internet smarks had their way with storylines/angles, the television product would be too predictable...and boring.
Loose Cannon
08-07-2005, 04:32 PM
cause the TV now is exciting and unpredicatble?
Kane Knight
08-07-2005, 04:51 PM
No disrespect, but creative (and more importanly, SML) could careless what a internet smark has to say about the product.
If you think you're a better writer, go to the careers section of WWE.com and send your resume. If internet smarks had their way with storylines/angles, the television product would be too predictable...and boring.
As opposed to if the Hollywood writers had their way, in which case it would be too predictable...and boring.
So you really lose nothing for the smarks having their way, except for bad pregnancy angles
jindrak
08-07-2005, 10:28 PM
cause the TV now is exciting and unpredicatble?
Yes.
Even though SS looks like the most predictable card since No Way Out, its a new "era" in the WWE. I type era because of the scene of the company is totally different.
If wrestling smarks had their way, we would be watching rehased material from the attitude era. At least with Hollywood writers, wrestling storylines are brought about in a different light.
I do agree that the angles are often times horribly executed, but combining wrestling with Hollwood-esque drama isn't easy...like pimpin.
TerranRich
08-08-2005, 10:50 AM
If you think you're a better writer, go to the careers section of WWE.com and send your resume. If internet smarks had their way with storylines/angles, the television product would be too predictable...and boring.
I believe that's what Michele did...several times. And was rejected.
But yeah, a good point was brought up. A lot of "Internet fans" actually have real-life wrestling experience and/or writing/journalism experience. You can't discount them ALL.
And it's only a small minority of Net fans that want to bring back DX, nWo, etc.. Most of us realize that that would be a stupid thing to do and what is needed is freshness and new storylines.
Kane Knight
08-08-2005, 11:56 AM
Yes.
Even though SS looks like the most predictable card since No Way Out, its a new "era" in the WWE. I type era because of the scene of the company is totally different.
If wrestling smarks had their way, we would be watching rehased material from the attitude era. At least with Hollywood writers, wrestling storylines are brought about in a different light.
I do agree that the angles are often times horribly executed, but combining wrestling with Hollwood-esque drama isn't easy...like pimpin.
It's also not good business, but why should that stop you from a nice rant? :)
Mr. Nerfect
08-08-2005, 07:07 PM
Yes.
Even though SS looks like the most predictable card since No Way Out, its a new "era" in the WWE. I type era because of the scene of the company is totally different.
If wrestling smarks had their way, we would be watching rehased material from the attitude era. At least with Hollywood writers, wrestling storylines are brought about in a different light.
I do agree that the angles are often times horribly executed, but combining wrestling with Hollwood-esque drama isn't easy...like pimpin.
Actually, I'm pretty sure most internet smarks want to see a change. It is the WWE that has been trying to keep the Attitude era alive since April 1, 2001, where it died with The Rock and Austin (in my opinion, anyway).
Most people will tell you that the Eddie/Rey feud is a great one, that has turned slightly sour due to the introduction of Dominic. I disagree. Dominic's par of the story makes perfect sense. But what is an absolutely horrendous idea is the "Custody Papers Ladder Match" they are rumoured to be having. Anyone could tell you that, but the writing team seems to think it is a great idea. If you want to have a Ladder Match, make it for a title shot, or maybe have the match be "unsactioned", with both guys being released from their contracts prior to the match, with a contract being suspended above the ring. The winner gets the contract, and the loser is left with nothing.
The current WWE creative team have made a great feud about two men's professional careers ruining their personal lives, into a a feud about a child's personal life. Dominic makes a great enhancement to the story, but from Eddie and Rey people want to see a professional story, perhaps enhanced by personal issues. Moving the feud away from this could ruin the final act of it.
Any wrestling fan can tell you wrestling storylines are what we want to see, not soap opera rejected cliches. If the WWE hired SOME people from the internet, you wouldn't end up with a rehashed product, and you'd probably hit the intended mark with most feuds.
Kane Knight
08-08-2005, 09:13 PM
Does it matter where they're hired from? As long as their impotent before the McMahon empire, the soap/Hollywood/Nickelodeon writers AND the internet/smark writers could be brilliant, but inevitably doomed to fail.
How much good is Heyman doing the WWE?
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