View Full Version : Why have they dropped Snitsky and Carlito's Names?
CharismaInjection
08-09-2005, 02:44 PM
I was just curious about it?
Carlito was Carlito Carribean Cool.
Snitsky was Gene Snitsky.
Why have they got rid of both their names. Perhaps Carlito's sounded a bit silly but what was wrong with Snitsky's name?
Psycho C
08-09-2005, 02:47 PM
Gene isn't exactly a name people hide in terror from, and Carlito's full name was ridiculous to keep saying.
Shadow
08-09-2005, 03:13 PM
JR couldn't remember Carlito's full name so they dropped it.
Damn redneck.
Psycho C
08-09-2005, 03:16 PM
JR: Carlito Carreer.....Carlito Crib....um...
King: Just say Carlito.
JR: Ampersand!
King: ?!
Corkscrewed
08-09-2005, 03:31 PM
Gene isn't exactly a name people hide in terror from...
Neither is Snitsky :lol:
Chavo Classic
08-09-2005, 03:33 PM
More to the question, why is there a thread about this?
Shaggy
08-09-2005, 03:45 PM
Well Carlito Caribean Cool was just hell to say every time....So why not just keep Carlito...they still refer to him sometimes with 3C's but Carlito is so much better...
As for Snitsky...
They still say Gene Snitsky its just that they only say Snitsky when he wrestlers or something because well....How many people ever say I hope Chris Jericho wins?...They say...I hope Jericho wins...its just easier to drop the first name and say that last. You speak faster and people still know what you are talking about...
Well Carlito Caribean Cool was just hell to say every time....So why not just keep Carlito...they still refer to him sometimes with 3C's but Carlito is so much better...
As for Snitsky...
They still say Gene Snitsky its just that they only say Snitsky when he wrestlers or something because well....How many people ever say I hope Chris Jericho wins?...They say...I hope Jericho wins...its just easier to drop the first name and say that last. You speak faster and people still know what you are talking about...
It's the opposite with Triple H. People refer to him as Hunter, not Helmsley.
Gone Mad
08-09-2005, 04:06 PM
Well, it could be worse about the name shortening. They could call them Carl and Sni or just the letters C and S. But hey, they gotta make money and this saves ink on the shirts to just put a single letter...
Right? :shifty:
Well, it could be worse about the name shortening. They could call them Carl and Sni or just the letters C and S. But hey, they gotta make money and this saves ink on the shirts to just put a single letter...
Right? :shifty:
Lillian: Coming down the isle first, the World Heavyweight Champion, weighing in at 260, H! And his opponent, weighing in at 231 pounds, C! And their opponent, weighing in at 235 pounds, C!
JR: BAHGAWD C WITH THE WALLS OF C! AND C IS PUTTING H IN THE C CROSSFACE! BAHGAWD C WINS!
:shifty:
Eunos
08-09-2005, 04:31 PM
Well the same could be said Heidenreich
He was Originally Jon Heidenreich.
Hell the Hurricane who was originally Hurricane Helms.
I guess its too much effort
Well the same could be said Heidenreich
He was Originally Jon Heidenreich.
Hell the Hurricane who was originally Hurricane Helms.
I guess its too much effort
Going by WWE rules and logic, did Heidenreich ever use John in his name on SmackDown!, or was he John only on RAW? I don't seem to remember them using John on SmackDown!, except maybe when they talk to him...
Chavo Classic
08-09-2005, 04:37 PM
John was originally on Smackdown. But no-one remembers about that, or about little johnny, because the WWE says we can't
Eunos
08-09-2005, 04:38 PM
Going by WWE rules and logic, did Heidenreich ever use John in his name on SmackDown!, or was he John only on RAW? I don't seem to remember them using John on SmackDown!, except maybe when they talk to him...
They used it on Raw for Definate
and when i was in America last year he was on the Program and he was called Jon and was still classified as Raw.
Even though that was the time they had the videos promoting him as the psycho that only heyman could control.
Don't think it was ever used on Smackdown
John was originally on Smackdown. But no-one remembers about that, or about little johnny, because the WWE says we can't
Heidenreich was originally on RAW back when Austin was still around with his 4x4...
Chavo Classic
08-09-2005, 04:49 PM
You sure? I seem to remember him questioning Matt Hardy and Shannon Moore to play his highlight tape that he prepared. It was a PPV from a year ago. My memory is a little foggy, but I'm sure that Hardy and Moore were only ever on Smackdown together.
According to OWW, he went from Armageddon 2003 for RAW to August 26, 2004 debuting on SmackDown! with Heyman, so until he came with Heyman, he was never on SmackDown!...
Watson
08-09-2005, 09:11 PM
Yeah a few weeks ago on RAW, JR and king both kept saying Carlito's name wrong. They were calling him Caribbean Cool Carlito.
darkpower
08-09-2005, 09:35 PM
About Heidenrich, yeah, he was originally called John Heidenrich. He had that "Little Johnny" thing going, and he wanted for people to see his promo tape. Hardy and Moore "threw it away". while the people on RAW (forget who was the guy to be impressed) gave him a RAW deal. Then he got dropped for a while, then came back on SmackDown as just "Heidenrich".
Triple H used to be Hunter Hearst Helmsly, if anyone forgot about that one.
Ol Dirty Dastard
08-09-2005, 09:48 PM
I like when JR sounds really angry and goes "That damned Snitsky!"
Face Heely
08-09-2005, 10:00 PM
Why do they keep dropping wrestlers' names? Because it's easier to sell a character than a personality.
A wrestler's name is probably just as important to establishing his character as is his look. In days of yore (like...the past few decades), nicknames were popular - "Hulk" Hogan; "Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels; "Nature Boy" Ric Flair; and Bret "The Hitman" Hart. Those nicknames not only made them recognizable, but, like the impressive stage names they chose for themselves, allowed a mythology to spring up around these characters. (I, for one, am more willing to believe "Hulk" Hogan as heavyweight champ than Terry Bollea.) This evolved into cartoonish and character-derived stage names like Doink and Diesel.
It's pretty foolish to say that we're still feeling the effects of the Attitude Era (what could be more obvious?), but in this case, it bears repeating. WWF Attitude brought grit to the WWE, and the characters' names reflected that. We still had our Kanes and X-Pacs, but they were more readily seen as stage names. Nicknames made a big comeback, and with them, the use of more pedestrian names for the characters (including many real names, like Hall and Nash). At this time, though, it was the storylines that were the focus, and these were selling the product, not the characters.
Today, we're slowly cycling back to more outlandish characters in the ring; and, partially due to a lack of intriguing storylines (perhaps this has caused the move back to larger-than-life characters?), the product is focusing on the characters again. But the Attitude Era's influence is felt in fans' unwillingness to accept some of the poorly shaded, two-dimensional characters placed before them (Simon Dean, I'm looking at you). So, the dilemma is such: how do you create a recognizable (and mythologizable) character without making him seem absolutely outlandish?
It seems they've found a temporary fix. Take a look at the folks that've been affected by the "name-dropping" phenomenon: Carlito (Carribean Cool); (Gene) Snitsky; (Dave) Batista; and even low-carders like (Yoshihiro) Tajiri and (John) Heidenreich. Dropping a name, particularly a first name, removes a bit of the wrestler's pedestrian identity (kind of like removing "Clark" from Superman's secret identity); and, in just about all of these cases (I can't speak for Tajiri, never having lived in Japan), the wrestler's last name is rare enough to be utilized as their unique "identity." Even John Bradshaw Leyfield has been affected by this - he's introduced with his full name, but even the name plate on the WWE title referred to him as "JBL."
It's apparent in "real" sports, too - who actually refers to "Alex Rodriguez?" It's always A-Rod. Deep down, we know he's just a normal guy (who happens to play baseball really well - and this coming from a Sox fan!), but his nickname allows us to separate his image just enough from his identity to regard him as some sort of baseball god.
In short (too late!), dropping a wrestler's name is a half-assed way of presenting an image, or a character, rather than a "normal" (and, by implication, boring) person.
darkpower
08-09-2005, 10:06 PM
...and even low-carders like (Yoshihiro) Tajiri...(I can't speak for Tajiri, never having lived in Japan),
In Japan, it proper to say someone's LAST name before their first name in formal introductions. I think that was why they did this with Tajiri. Not only would they be able to drop that first name entirely, but it would be more "formal" in Japan.
Face Heely
08-09-2005, 10:08 PM
In Japan, it proper to say someone's LAST name before their first name in formal introductions. I think that was why they did this with Tajiri. Not only would they be able to drop that first name entirely, but it would be more "formal" in Japan.
That's a good point. I specifically included Tajiri because I recall watching "Yoshihiro Tajiri" in ECW, and simply "Tajiri" in WWE; but there's probably something to the formality point as well.
TerranRich
08-10-2005, 12:51 AM
What about Eugene? He was originally Eugene Dinsmore. And they don't call Coach by his full name all that often anymore.
Oh, and Maria Kanelis (sp?) to just Maria. And way back when, when Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw was shortened to just Bradshaw. In this case, it was actually lengthened to John Bradshaw Layfield. Of course, to strengthen the argument, it was shortened again to just JBL. :p
AND don't forget Rico was once Rico Constantino. ;)
Chavo Classic
08-10-2005, 07:39 AM
Actually, wouldn't he more likely to be Eugene Bischoff, since he is infact the nephew of Eric Bischoff?
Unless they formally addressed him as Mr Dinsmore, in which case i missed that
Actually, wouldn't he more likely to be Eugene Bischoff, since he is infact the nephew of Eric Bischoff?
Unless they formally addressed him as Mr Dinsmore, in which case i missed that
Eugene's mother is Eric's sister, so Eugene would have his father's last name. The night he debuted I believe Bischoff called him 'Eugene Dinsmore'. I'm almost positive they've used the name before on WWE TV.
owenbrown
08-10-2005, 10:37 AM
Going by WWE rules and logic, did Heidenreich ever use John in his name on SmackDown!, or was he John only on RAW? I don't seem to remember them using John on SmackDown!, except maybe when they talk to him...
WWE has RULES AND LOGIC?! :eek: HOLY SHIT when did that happen? :shifty:
Kane Knight
08-10-2005, 11:08 AM
Eugene's mother is Eric's sister, so Eugene would have his father's last name. The night he debuted I believe Bischoff called him 'Eugene Dinsmore'. I'm almost positive they've used the name before on WWE TV.
I'm pretty sure they did as well. And yeah, since it's his sister's kid, odds are he's notnamed Bischoff.
...Though you never know. He DID try and rape Linda...
Chavo Classic
08-10-2005, 12:56 PM
Why is Christie Hemme just called Christie Hemme instead of her full name...
Piece of Trailer Crash Cream Pie Christie Cock Riding Son of A Bitch Five Dollar Crack Whore Talentless Slut Hemme.
I think it flows off the tongue a lot better.
TerranRich
08-10-2005, 11:59 PM
Why is Christie Hemme just called Christie Hemme instead of her full name...
Piece of Trailer Crash Cream Pie Christie Cock Riding Son of A Bitch Five Dollar Crack Whore Talentless Slut Hemme.
I think it flows off the tongue a lot better.
So Christie is really one of her middle names? Hardily har har. ;) :D
Also, was Luna ever called Luna Vachon on-camera? And I believe Terri Runnels was shortened to Terri late in her WWE career. And what about [Chris] Kanyon? :)
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