View Full Version : Undertaker needs something new..
Jaton
08-12-2005, 06:47 PM
His so-called mind games are so stale now. It's been the exact same formula since he came back at WMXX. Heel is in the ring either in a match or cutting a promo, lights go out and a bell tolls, and some video comes on with a bunch of bullshit static and has some cute little message. (RKO-RIP) Heel acts scared, bolt of lightning, done.
It's just so boring to even watch now. I never thought I'd long for the days of badass Undertaker.
Cool King
08-12-2005, 06:54 PM
Yeah, and I actually think that Taker looks like he can't be bothered anymore.
My favourite Undertaker is the Bad Ass Taker, and I know this will never happen but I would really like it if he returned to RAW as the Bad Ass Taker, because I think that SmackDown! is killing him.
OMG. STFU
its true :$. Really wish he would have gone to Raw
SuperSlim
08-12-2005, 07:01 PM
I still miss the ministry days
Crashnburn
08-12-2005, 07:07 PM
I thought maybe I was the only one missing the Underbiker. This watered down version of the Undertaker just isn't cutting it for me. I could care less.
Shadow
08-12-2005, 07:20 PM
Awww..DMI comes to wrestling...
Anyways...Taker really needs to either switch shows, or actually be at the show he's supposed to be at. It would be nice to actually see him play some real mind games with Orton.
Jaton
08-12-2005, 07:22 PM
Yeah, all they do nowadays is show the same recycled lame ass video.
Eunos
08-12-2005, 07:29 PM
Undertakers been very Stale since returning.
His Character worked back in Ministry days. But now it just doesnt do the job.
I think i was one of the very few that actually really liked his Biker gimmick.
Jaton
08-12-2005, 07:33 PM
When he was the biker, I longed for the deadman to return. Instead I got deadass. Now I long for the biker again.
I made a thread in casual about this because I was so tired that I didn't realize it wasn't the wrestling forum :$
Jaton
08-12-2005, 07:59 PM
Really? I don't visit casual too much.
Jaton
08-12-2005, 08:00 PM
I don't know anyone here well enough to discuss things with on a casual level, except for maybe TerranRich.
LOL thats not why its called casual, its because the topics are of a more casual nature, ie. bullshit.
Jaton
08-12-2005, 08:11 PM
No, you misunderstand me. I'm making the point that I usually don't talk much. I don't often have much to say. Hence, why this account has been active for over a year and only has ~300 posts.
Batsu
08-12-2005, 08:58 PM
LMAO!
Strangely enough, I'd never thought I'd see the day...people called for the Underbiker again. True, Undertaker does seem a lot less interested than he did back in those days. He really does seem much more the novelty act now. Only thing I disliked about the Undertaker in the "Biker" days is that he would try to retain so much of the "Deadman" era, that it kept people clamoring for him to return in that character. Well, that and all the excessive, "Austin"-like posturing that only really worked when he was a heel atop the SmackDown brand. Had he retained the trenchcoat and that wild look he had at his Judgement Day return all the way through the "Biker" era of '00-04, that would have been cool. Taker really did change his character around....
Right now, I'm on the fence. On one hand, Taker seems like a "special attraction", and his subdued role seems very much fit for this landscape. I don't think the "Quasi-Deadman" is horrible, but perhaps, his "powers" should be used for heeldom. That character just doesnt' work as a face. Undertaker was always cheered in spite of his habits, not because of them.
At least his look maintains the right kind of balance. Some people were upset about him returning as The Deadman only to be the previous Undertaker with more hair...but now, the look is starting to work.
I made a thread in casual about this because I was so tired that I didn't realize it wasn't the wrestling forum :$
ahahahha
Mr. JL
08-12-2005, 09:09 PM
Yes, I agree that the Undertaker needs something new, something like RETIREMENT!
Joey Slugs
08-12-2005, 11:39 PM
I still miss the ministry days
:y: :y:
Corkscrewed
08-13-2005, 12:02 AM
The way I see it, if the writers could be arsed to actually develop this feud into something more than the same thing, it wouldn't matter if Taker himself cared or not. You can't blame airing the exact same Titantron message two weeks in a row on Taker. Even if he doesn't or can't work shows as much, at least be creative about how to have him appear. Hell, it would have been crazy if the lights had gone out, smoke comes out, and when they came back on, Kamala was suddenly hanging in the air off a crucifix or something.
As it was, it looked like Orton had OD'ed on some LSD and was tripping out over some letters.
SuperSlim
08-13-2005, 12:08 AM
bring back the burning Undertaker symbol. that thing was cool lookin
Drakul
08-13-2005, 01:37 AM
I still miss the ministry days
bring back the burning Undertaker symbol. that thing was cool lookin
iwantviral
08-13-2005, 01:52 AM
I still miss the ministry days
Me Too. :wavesad:
Mr. Nerfect
08-13-2005, 02:32 AM
Yeah, The Undertaker doesn't do it for me, anymore. I don't mean that in a "he's stale" way, but in a "he's too diluted" way. If they turned him heel and gave him a new generation Ministry, or they actually tried with making him look scary, he would be way better now.
It would have been better if instead of the lame "R-K-O R-I-P" crap, they had the crucifix appear with Taker saying "first time was a broken shoulder, second time..........is death.
That would have actually been chilling to see the crucifix, and know EXACTLY what Taker has planned for Orton, and what he's planning to do once he wins, and that he will embarrass (probably not a strong enough word, but you get the point) Randy Orton by crucifying him, and killing his career as a credible superstar.
It doesn't even feel like they're trying with this watered-down Undertaker.
Kane Knight
08-13-2005, 10:51 AM
I thought maybe I was the only one missing the Underbiker. This watered down version of the Undertaker just isn't cutting it for me. I could care less.
HEre's the problem.
Mark didn't want to play a role on TV. They let him more or less play himself.
The fans didn't like this: They wanted the REAL Undertaker. Not some dumb redneck called the Undertaker.
They cop out on a return by making him Bikertaker with a new hat. Bring back his old finisher, and make him wear mascara. Still the American Redneck, still has them big soup bones, still fights like a hick.
Fans cheer for him though, because he's got great production. I swear, if I had the kind of budget they use on Taker to make a wrestler, I could turn the worst fucker on this board into one of the most over characters ever.
You can't go back to the Deadman now. They broke with the character, and it no longer fits. But to be fair, the boring shit routine's been a staple of take through his Decade+ of destruction.
Kane Knight
08-13-2005, 10:53 AM
The way I see it, if the writers could be arsed to actually develop this feud into something more than the same thing, it wouldn't matter if Taker himself cared or not. You can't blame airing the exact same Titantron message two weeks in a row on Taker. Even if he doesn't or can't work shows as much, at least be creative about how to have him appear. Hell, it would have been crazy if the lights had gone out, smoke comes out, and when they came back on, Kamala was suddenly hanging in the air off a crucifix or something.
As it was, it looked like Orton had OD'ed on some LSD and was tripping out over some letters.
MAking Orton look like an even bigger pussy.
Looking at how he spazzes out, I wonder how he RKOed ANYONE.
Pepsi Man
08-13-2005, 11:08 AM
Meh, Biker Taker blows. No matter who it is, they keep doing the same thing over and over for a while lately.
Triple H runs down his list of former opponents, Batista talks about how he doesn't like bullies, John Cena has the odds put against him, all the while doing stupid raps, Edge talks about how he was screwed out of a real opportunity for the World Title, Kane is rebuilt up as a monster only to job shortly thereafter when it counts...and Undertaker does the lights out effects. It's modern day WWE.
Jordan
08-13-2005, 12:10 PM
I say turn him heel, feud with Batista and take the WWE title.
Marcyo
08-13-2005, 12:19 PM
Or turn him back, as Slim said, to the Ministry Undertaker. Or back to the Biker Taker.
Either way sounds good to me.
The Answer
08-13-2005, 12:23 PM
Knowing the WWE writers giving him a new hat should do the trick :nono:
Volare
08-13-2005, 12:30 PM
Following on Jordan X's Post
my question is this: what is Undertaker going to do as champion and who in the hell could beat him and make it look good instead of someone screwing him of the title?? its seems like no matter what lately, they cant build momentum for whoever has the title, nor can they have someone put over clean. There is always some controversy about a title victory
Jaton
08-13-2005, 01:20 PM
And most of it is due to the bullshit that goes on backstage and people not wanting to help make stars out of each other and do the job. They just want to do what's good for themselves and their massive fucking egos. Not what's good for the industry. Fuck, I'm irritated now.
.44 Magdalene
08-13-2005, 01:33 PM
Knowing the WWE writers giving him a new hat should do the trick :nono:
Give him a chef's hat and call him the Underbaker. NEXT.
The Answer
08-13-2005, 01:37 PM
Give him a chef's hat and call him the Underbaker. NEXT.
He still wouldn't sell :rofl:
Marcyo
08-13-2005, 02:33 PM
Give him a chef's hat and call him the Underbaker. NEXT.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7654/underquaker7yz.jpg
Kane Knight
08-13-2005, 09:44 PM
Meh, Biker Taker blows. No matter who it is, they keep doing the same thing over and over for a while lately.
But if they try anything new, they get bitched at too.
I mean, if you do anything other than the tried and true, verbatim, you will get mercilessly assaulted by smarks.
(Same as if you tried to do something new, so why try innovation)
Jaton
08-13-2005, 10:56 PM
Some wrestlers are just stale, no matter what character they portray.
SEE: X-Pac.
Pepsi Man
08-13-2005, 11:39 PM
But if they try anything new, they get bitched at too.
I mean, if you do anything other than the tried and true, verbatim, you will get mercilessly assaulted by smarks.
(Same as if you tried to do something new, so why try innovation)
Point taken.
iwantviral
08-14-2005, 03:20 AM
Yeah, The Undertaker doesn't do it for me, anymore. I don't mean that in a "he's stale" way, but in a "he's too diluted" way. If they turned him heel and gave him a new generation Ministry, or they actually tried with making him look scary, he would be way better now.
It would have been better if instead of the lame "R-K-O R-I-P" crap, they had the crucifix appear with Taker saying "first time was a broken shoulder, second time..........is death.
That would have actually been chilling to see the crucifix, and know EXACTLY what Taker has planned for Orton, and what he's planning to do once he wins, and that he will embarrass (probably not a strong enough word, but you get the point) Randy Orton by crucifying him, and killing his career as a credible superstar.
It doesn't even feel like they're trying with this watered-down Undertaker.
Your idea of the crucifix was very innovative. But it is shame that the scripts of the WWE are not innovative.
:) :y:
Afterlife
08-14-2005, 11:45 AM
A new Ministry would be totally what they need. Especially with Christian around; he could so make a force (completely un Brood related) to go up against them. Granted, he'd be the face, as Taker is unstoppable anyway, but hey...it's an improvement for UT and a boost for CC.
Kane Knight
08-14-2005, 11:48 AM
A new Ministry would be totally what they need. Especially with Christian around; he could so make a force (completely un Brood related) to go up against them. Granted, he'd be the face, as Taker is unstoppable anyway, but hey...it's an improvement for UT and a boost for CC.
A new Ministry is a GREAT idea...
...And next month, they can reform DX...
...And what about the nWo?
Afterlife
08-14-2005, 11:50 AM
Well, obviously don't CALL it "The Ministry". But Trips has had more than one stable. Why can't Taker?
Loose Cannon
08-14-2005, 11:55 AM
But it's still gonna be the same kind of stable, correct? That's not the way to go. HHH had different kinds of stables
Kane Knight
08-14-2005, 11:56 AM
Point taken.
Yeah, though I think they SHOULD be doing more, you have to look at it this way:
Even when their ratings are in the shitter, they are still one of the top cable programs.
They are in a situation with the fans where they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. But if the crybabies aren't affecting the ratings, what point is there in changing a formula that's bringing them high ratings? Sure, they're not drawing attitude-era ratings, and their latest PPV may be a recent low, but what good is listening to people who have it in for them going to do anyway?
Savio
08-14-2005, 11:59 AM
nWo kicks ass KK.
Savio
08-14-2005, 12:00 PM
Well, obviously don't CALL it "The Ministry". But Trips has had more than one stable. Why can't Taker?have him join cenas Chain Gang
Afterlife
08-14-2005, 12:00 PM
Of course it'd be the same kind of stabel, it's the same kind of character. Trips changed "attitudes" from DX to Evo.
Joe Kerr
08-14-2005, 12:32 PM
Undertakers stable could consist of Flair and Hogan and any other aging wrestler and be----- never mind
Kane Knight
08-14-2005, 12:53 PM
Well, obviously don't CALL it "The Ministry". But Trips has had more than one stable. Why can't Taker?
So what's going to be different about it? The name? That's it?
Kane Knight
08-14-2005, 12:54 PM
Of course it'd be the same kind of stabel, it's the same kind of character. Trips changed "attitudes" from DX to Evo.
So then what's the diff whether they call it the Ministry or not? It'd still be a rehash.
Marcyo
08-14-2005, 03:23 PM
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7654/underquaker7yz.jpg
:mad:
Afterlife
08-14-2005, 04:35 PM
Not if it was Das Uundertaaker und der Polkanauts! Have him rally up a "band" of demons -- get it? -- and take over the world of wrestling thru the powers bestowed upon he and his troops by Oom-Pah-Ra, Unholy Lord of Polka-Rock.
Kane Knight
08-14-2005, 05:18 PM
Not if it was Das Uundertaaker und der Polkanauts! Have him rally up a "band" of demons -- get it? -- and take over the world of wrestling thru the powers bestowed upon he and his troops by Oom-Pah-Ra, Unholy Lord of Polka-Rock.
And he can run around in Leiderhosen!
Afterlife
08-14-2005, 05:28 PM
Undead leiderhoesen.
Kane Knight
08-14-2005, 05:36 PM
My bad.
How could I have left them out?
Shadow
08-14-2005, 08:26 PM
*pat pats* Because you weren't thinking.
Volare
08-14-2005, 08:34 PM
so basically we are saying, let the german's attack the WWE and not "hussan??"
BRING BACK HUSSAN DAMMIT (i was drinking when i sent this lol)
Kane Knight
08-14-2005, 08:40 PM
Yeah, but the Germans aren't in poor taste. Just because they hosted some of the biggest attrocities in modern history, doesn't mean they compare with an ARAB!
Afterlife
08-15-2005, 07:34 AM
Not Germans, fools. The Swedes! Nobody expects the Swedish to attack! Especially Swedes from Hell! You could call them....Demon Swedes...or, maybe, depending on the number of members...the Four Norsemen, you know, whatever. It's all goede.
Kane Knight
08-15-2005, 10:55 AM
Swedes...OF TE DAMNED!
Afterlife
08-15-2005, 02:38 PM
Isn't it great how I can take an actual conversation and just crush it with stupidity?
Jaton
08-15-2005, 05:10 PM
Absolutely beautiful. :)
alvarado52
08-15-2005, 05:23 PM
Shit, this is an easy one. With all the trend of handicap gimmicks going around (Eugene, CM Punk), i say we make the Undertaker a penisless man. We easily set up a match at Wrestlemania between him and Torrie Wilson in a "loser loses the penis" match, obviously Torrie has nothing to lose. Mr.McMahon, obviously having penis envy, interferes with a chair shot to the head on UT, Torrie gets the win, he comes back as a biker again, but THIS time...he has no junk. So from that point on, in every match, anytime the opponent low blows him, <b>BAHGAWDITDIDNTEFFECTHIM! HIS PENIS ISNT MADE OF A BANANA SAMMICH! THATS A HUMAN BEING IN THAT RING!</b>. Sorry, i hate the Undertaker...
Kane Knight
08-15-2005, 06:40 PM
Isn't it great how I can take an actual conversation and just crush it with stupidity?
Indeed. It turns me on.
Kane Knight
08-15-2005, 06:42 PM
Shit, this is an easy one. With all the trend of handicap gimmicks going around (Eugene, CM Punk), i say we make the Undertaker a penisless man. We easily set up a match at Wrestlemania between him and Torrie Wilson in a "loser loses the penis" match, obviously Torrie has nothing to lose. Mr.McMahon, obviously having penis envy, interferes with a chair shot to the head on UT, Torrie gets the win, he comes back as a biker again, but THIS time...he has no junk. So from that point on, in every match, anytime the opponent low blows him, BAHGAWDITDIDNTEFFECTHIM! HIS PENIS ISNT MADE OF A BANANA SAMMICH! THATS A HUMAN BEING IN THAT RING!. Sorry, i hate the Undertaker...
Nice, though you don't even need to go that far. After a stiff match with JBL, Undertaker's back is broken. He now comes down to the ring in a Hoveround scooter. Just bring back his "Rolling rolling rolling" Theme.
.44 Magdalene
08-15-2005, 07:53 PM
Have Undertaker jump to Smackdown and start a biker gang with Rob Conway.
Kane Knight
08-15-2005, 07:59 PM
Have Undertaker jump to Smackdown and start a biker gang with Rob Conway.
Raw, you mean?
Just do the Village people. ;)
.44 Magdalene
08-15-2005, 08:22 PM
Raw, you mean?
Just do the Village people. ;)
:shifty: ... Oops. Yeah. Raw.
It's been one of those days.
iwantviral
08-16-2005, 01:41 AM
have him join cenas Chain Gang
Sounds like a great idea.:y:
Turn Undertaker into an Amish and have him come out to the ring with farm animals.
UNDERTAKER
My ministry of evil farm animals shall lay ruin to this country side! The horses will buck and kick you. The chickens will peck your eyes until you can no longer see through the bloody holes in your face. The cows shall shoot the milk, and the hens shall lay the eggs! And you will know that I am your master! And you shall REST IN SHEEP!
iwantviral
08-16-2005, 01:53 AM
Turn Undertaker into an Amish and have him come out to the ring with farm animals.
UNDERTAKER
My ministry of evil farm animals shall lay ruin to this country side! The horses will buck and kick you. The chickens will peck your eyes until you can no longer see through the bloody holes in your face. The cows shall shoot the milk, and the hens shall lay the eggs! And you will know that I am your master! And you shall REST IN SHEEP!
:lol: :rofl: :y:
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