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The Greater Power
08-13-2005, 08:25 PM
Long read, but interesting.


Credit: WrestlingInsidepulse

Bret Fuckin' Hart.

Jesus Christ, I thought I'd never have to talk about him again. However, that's the only thing people are now talking about (other than minor garbage stories; who really cares about Spanky and Jamie Noble coming back?). So I'm forced into mentioning him.

Believe me, I don't want to. I got sick and tired of Bret Hart years ago. He's one of the biggest primo uomos (or is that primo uomi? My Italian sucks...) in the business. Everything that has been accused of in regard to Hogan, Nash, Michaels, Trip, UT, etc., can be laid on Bret's table as well. He didn't have the "creative control" card to play since Vince has never allowed that kind of shit in contracts, but he used his backstage stroke to its full effect during his time there. His apologists say that he was doing that to counter the Clique, but what about before the Clique was at strength? He played backstage games about as well as anyone ever has. And then there's Montreal, which was CAUSED by Bret not wanting to do the proper thing and job on his last night in the company, then being a silly ass and shutting his ears to people trying to talk sense into him. So, fanboys, don't play the Bret As Victim card (even though WWE itself was about to with the now-discarded title of the DVD set, and they were doing that precisely because of the fanboys). It's just bullshit.

Bret Hart is also the most overrated wrestler in history. Period. The amount of fan LUV that's thrown his way is inexplicable. He doesn't deserve that much affection, admiration, or worship. He fails in every category in which he's pumped up. And yet the rabid fanboy base refuses to see those particular failures.

You want me to break it down to brass tacks? Well, here it is. The measure of a champion is how much he's able to draw. Bret couldn't draw shit. Kevin Nash gets a big black mark on his career for the same fact pertaining to his reign as WWE champion, but Bret gets a free pass. You hypocrites.

Bret is also a second-rank technical wrestler. You want me to throw out, oh, five names of technical wrestlers better than he is? No problem. Benoit. Guerrero. Angle. Misawa. And the last one, the one that throws the dagger into the heart: Owen. All of them far better technically than Bret. Yes, even his own baby brother.

Here's a bigger yet still easy challenge: without using those five names above, name ten wrestlers who had a better combination of technical skills and sports entertainment skills than Bret. Simple: Flair. Michaels. Trip before the quad injury. Wife-Beater circa 1996/7. Sting. Magnum. David Von Erich. El Hijo del Santo. Kawada. Savage circa 1988. That's ten. All of them outshine Bret easily as wrestler/entertainers.

Bret couldn't cut a promo worth shit. His most memorable promo was a simple string of obscenities on live television. His most memorable matches, with the exception of the match against Davey Boy at SummerSlam 92, were against superior opponents, who ended up carrying him or, in Wife-Beater's case, bleeding nearly to death for him to make him look good, even and especially in defeat. He wrestled the same damn match from 1991 until the end of his career. Not even his biggest defender, Scooter, can disguise this. In fact, he invented the term Five Moves Of Doom to describe this phenomenon. Benoit has no mic skills, yet he doesn't have to be carried and doesn't wrestle formulaic matches (and he carried Bret completely in the Owen Tribute Match). Wife-Beater didn't have to be carried until he became a complete parody of himself, and even then his mic skills were undeniable. You know who Bret Hart is? He's Rob Van Dam with a slightly larger technical repertoire and less martial arts. And yet no one but the most retarded of fanboys puts Van Dam on the same pedestal as Bret.

As I said, the thing that Bret's most successful at is being perceived as the victim. Montreal, Owen, Goldberg, the stroke...who the fuck cares? Shit happens to everyone. It's called "life". Montreal simply ended a business relationship that wasn't healthy for either side at that point (that's why Bret was leaving in the first place); it just ended in a very depressing manner. And Goldberg's kick simply put a career that was already on the skids out of its misery. His time was up anyway; only he, his fanboys, and the lack-of-brain trust at WCW couldn't recognize it.

So, fine, release the DVD and celebrate his overrated career. No problem by me. It's a good business decision. The guy still has his fans today, and they're going to buy it. I almost made a bet with Fleabag and stated that his DVD won't outsell Flair's. Then Fleabag reminded me of the imbeciles in Canada who will eat this up like hotcakes, and I backed off of my position. Bret's God there, after all. That alone is prima facie evidence that we here in the States need to do a little invasion and mass reprogramming, but that's another issue. Of course, I won't be buying the DVD. There's only one match that will be on there that I'd want, namely the Owen Tribute Match, and I've already got that on the Benoit DVD. In fact, I'm more likely to buy the Warrior DVD than the Bret one. It at least has two matches that I want on it (Hogan at WM6 and Savage at WM7).

And the worst thing about Bret? Back during Montreal, the entire proto-IWC came out and said that Bret got the best end of the whole situation. Except for one person. Sean Shannon. Yes, it was Sean's hatred of Bret that led him to the conclusion that Vince got the best of the whole thing (albeit his hatred of Bret wasn't as ridiculous as it was to become), but he reached the right conclusion. And that pisses me off more than anything else. Bret caused Sean Shannon to be right about something, and the amount of insufferable ego blow-back we in the IWC got from that after the truth became apparent was incredible.

I think that by now, you know me. You know that the above wasn't a troll, but my honest feelings about Bret. I don't like the guy, haven't liked the guy for a long time, and am pissed about the fact that he's still worshipped. All of you need a nice, cold dose of the truth splashed in your faces about him. Of course, most of you fanboys are so far gone that this icy bath won't help, but you can't say that I didn't try. To those that I might have garnered a breakthrough upon, let me give you this message: join me and don't buy the DVD. He's just not worth it.

It's times like these that I think I'm just going to start snarking fan fiction in this column. It'll be less painful than to have to think about stuff like Bret and Matt Hardy.

And speaking of Matt Hardy, you think the little repulsive maggot will show up this week on a certain show? Let's go through and find out...

http://wrestling.insidepulse.com/articles/40110



What do you think?

Favre4Ever
08-13-2005, 08:29 PM
word

Goulet
08-13-2005, 08:36 PM
As long winded as that is, that guy is so far off it's not funny

The Greater Power
08-13-2005, 08:38 PM
Well, it is his opinion and I agree with him on the fact that many of Bret's matches were pretty forumula.

The Naitch
08-13-2005, 08:54 PM
Yeah, I'm not a huge Bret Hart fan either. He should've done the job at SS.

Loose Cannon
08-13-2005, 08:55 PM
stopped reading at "he didn't have the creative control card to play cause Vince doesn't allow that in contracts" because obviously he can't even write an article without getting his facts straight.

Shadow
08-13-2005, 08:56 PM
Well, it is his opinion and I agree with him on the fact that many of Bret's matches were pretty forumula.

It's the same with everybody's matches nowadays. It's all good though...it's what people want to see right?

McLegend
08-13-2005, 08:58 PM
stopped reading at "he didn't have the creative control card to play cause Vince doesn't allow that in contracts" because obviously he can't even write an article without getting his facts straight.

I remember Bret mentioning that seriously like every 5 mintues in his documentary that he was glad he put that in his contract.

The Greater Power
08-13-2005, 08:59 PM
It's the same with everybody's matches nowadays. It's all good though...it's what people want to see right?

Well, I mean, as long as it's good, it's fine. But I like to expect the unexpected sometimes and see some moves we never see from certain wrestlers.

Do you guys agree with the 5 guys (then he named 10) that are "better" than Hart that he named?

Loose Cannon
08-13-2005, 09:01 PM
what's this guy's e-mail address.

McLegend
08-13-2005, 09:04 PM
No I only think Angle is better in ring wise.

but Eddie and Owen probably have/had more charisma and better mic skils then Bret.

Loose Cannon
08-13-2005, 09:06 PM
it's so stupid to argue over who's better then who wrestling wise. It's like arguing which TV show is better or which movie is better. It's all subjective and the only thing you can argue is facts. And there are some facts he seems to have no clue about in his article.

The Greater Power
08-13-2005, 09:08 PM
what's this guy's e-mail address.

Go to http://www.wrestling.insidepulse.com

It's on the front page, third link, look for the Hart picture.

Scroll down, and you can send feedback on his column.

The Naitch
08-13-2005, 09:08 PM
yeah, this thread should be about Bret. The title should be...

"Bret Hart: Overrated whiney penis or not?"

Loose Cannon
08-13-2005, 09:11 PM
How's this for the e-mail title?

"How about you get your facts straight before writing an article"

Savio
08-13-2005, 09:14 PM
He's right though bret does suck

The Greater Power
08-13-2005, 09:17 PM
I hated the entire Hart Foundation back in 1996-1997. I legitimatelly hated him as a mark, so that's why I guess this column doesn't *get to me* like it may for some of you.

Mr. Nerfect
08-14-2005, 12:42 AM
First off, I am not a Bret Hart mark. I am very uneducated in his matches, and have only seen a select few. That being said, he seems like a good wrestler to me. His match with Owen Hart at WrestleMania X was great, as was his match at Summerslam 1992 with Mr Perfect. I do think he's overrated, though. I have watched a few Owen Hart matches, and I must say Owen AMAZED me. Bret hasn't done that.

I'm sure The Hitman could go when he wanted to, but he seemed to play more of the solid style in the matches I saw him in, while guys like Malenko, Benoit, etc. seem to be more liquidated in the ring. Not sure if that makes sense to anyone else, but yeah.

And he should have done the job. Regardless of where it is, you do what your boss tells you to do. Vince had every right to do what he did.

I'll buy the Bret Hart DVD and have more of an expert opinion on Bret Hart's skills, but like Loose Cannon already said, you can't compare who the better wrestler is. It's all opinion. That being said, I don't think Bret Hart is anywhere near the God people make him out to be, but if he has so many fans based on his "skills" he must have had something, right?

Zen v.W.o.
08-14-2005, 11:29 AM
See, what this douche doesnt realize is that Bret was the best storyteller in the ring, bar none. The best psychology in the ring, bar none. You then use that, and add pretty damn solid wrestling on top of that, and you are gonna have a great pro wrestler, putting on classics, which is what Bret did.
This guy talks about him being carried..well yeah, Bret knew he was gonna need to be on the tribute a bit, which is one reason why he chose Benoit, Bret was not in shape at the time. First match back after a long while. No time to train and work out what with the family problems. And shit, they put on a classic. Benoit can carry lots of guys, but no matter what you cant carry a piece of shit to a 5 star classic, which is what that match was, therefore, Bret did his part, even after that tough time, and showed how good he was.
Vince even told Bret he was the best storyteller they ever had. Watch his matrches and see why..no matter what, his matches were interesting. Even if you didnt like the guy.
And then this guy gets all fuckin natioinalistic talkin smack about canucks. Gimme a break, everyone realizes Bret is great. If they dont, they dont get wrestling, simple as. Dont have to like him, but should respect him and his abilities.
The guy who wrote this article should be cut due to the fact he is a douche and an ignorant one at that.
We could own him.

Kane Knight
08-14-2005, 11:42 AM
This is the wrong way to go about combatting fanboyism. If only people complaining about this shit actually knew their shit.

Lara Emily
08-14-2005, 01:21 PM
That was moronic.

Kane Knight
08-14-2005, 01:31 PM
So's your avatar.

Thriller
08-14-2005, 11:11 PM
So this is what Flair has been up to since Trips has been gone.

Corkscrewed
08-15-2005, 01:29 AM
lol

Kane Knight
08-15-2005, 01:32 AM
So this is what Flair's ghost writer has been up to since Trips has been gone.

Kapoutman
08-15-2005, 12:31 PM
I don't care if people hate Bret as a person. I disagree with them because I think he did the right thing, but opinions will always differ on that. People hating Bret for what he did are OK with me.

However, anybody saying Bret Hart was a bad technical wrestler and a boring wrestler has to be a fucking moron.

Fryza
08-15-2005, 01:01 PM
However, anybody saying Bret Hart was a bad technical wrestler and a boring wrestler has to be a fucking moron.

:y:

I bet this guy's a HBK fanboy up the ass and jacked off writing this whole article...

Kane Knight
08-15-2005, 01:46 PM
Who didn't jack off during that article? :shifty:

Rob
08-15-2005, 06:39 PM
Read about 4 lines of that tripe. Absolute garbage.

Mister Sinister
08-15-2005, 10:33 PM
He's right though bret does suck

Is that why, he scored an 96 on the first ever RTW...

Speaking Of which, did that die, damn I must of been gone for way too long

Kane Knight
08-15-2005, 10:43 PM
Is that why, he scored an 96 on the first ever RTW...

Speaking Of which, did that die, damn I must of been gone for way too long

Yeah, they appreciated his sucking skills. ;)

loopydate
08-16-2005, 03:36 PM
Now, I'm probably one of the biggest non-Hart fans on these forums, but this guy went too far. He made a couple of good points (namely his exemption from the lists of people who played politics), but he made too many points that he simply couldn't back up and, as such, comes across as a jackass.

Do I like Bret as a person? Absolutely not. I think he got what he deserved for not doing what was right for business. But would I claim that there were as many as ten performers in the last two decades who surpassed him as a mix of athlete and entertainer? No way. Overrated as he may be, the guy is still probably #3 on my list of best performers I've ever seen (behind HBK and Flair).

Kapoutman
08-16-2005, 04:29 PM
Now, I'm probably one of the biggest non-Hart fans on these forums, but this guy went too far. He made a couple of good points (namely his exemption from the lists of people who played politics), but he made too many points that he simply couldn't back up and, as such, comes across as a jackass.

Do I like Bret as a person? Absolutely not. I think he got what he deserved for not doing what was right for business. But would I claim that there were as many as ten performers in the last two decades who surpassed him as a mix of athlete and entertainer? No way. Overrated as he may be, the guy is still probably #3 on my list of best performers I've ever seen (behind HBK and Flair).
You see, that's an opinion I respect.

Rob
08-16-2005, 07:19 PM
Now, I'm probably one of the biggest non-Hart fans on these forums, but this guy went too far. He made a couple of good points (namely his exemption from the lists of people who played politics), but he made too many points that he simply couldn't back up and, as such, comes across as a jackass.

Do I like Bret as a person? Absolutely not. I think he got what he deserved for not doing what was right for business. But would I claim that there were as many as ten performers in the last two decades who surpassed him as a mix of athlete and entertainer? No way. Overrated as he may be, the guy is still probably #3 on my list of best performers I've ever seen (behind HBK and Flair).

On the "I think he got what he deserved for not doing what was right for business" line, what the hell do you think of Shawn Michaels then?

loopydate
08-16-2005, 09:26 PM
I think he should get his someday. Absolutely. I think the back injury was probably a big chunk of karma catching up to him. Honestly, it probably should have ended his career. As entertained as I am by him (him being my all-time favorite and all), there's a big part of me that's glad that he's no longer the focus of the shows.

And if he should ever decide to leave the company while holding the World Title and refuse to job it to someone just because he doesn't like them, then Vince should come right out and ring that bell, because there's absolutely no excuse for that.