RAW thread 8/22 SummerSlam '05 Fallout

[SuperSlim]

Ok, now the site is running fast as hell for me... but my Java Script controller has popped up.... weird man.

java alwasy brings up bad memories for me of a class I failed cause I quit going to it cause I was gonna fail it anyways

[Innovator]

why doesn't bischoff just pull a montreal on cena?

[SuperSlim]

and I reached my goal of reachin 15,900 posts tonight :D

[Joey Slugs]

The boards are mimicking Raw tonight. Started hot, everyone was into it... and then the diva shit started and it was all down hill.

[Shadow]

..................wasn't that 3 or did I hear an extra count?

[Innovator]

java alwasy brings up bad memories for me of a class I failed cause I quit going to it cause I was gonna fail it anywaysno one likes a quitter slim

[SuperSlim]

well at least Raw had some real hot moments

[Joey Slugs]

and I reached my goal of reachin 15,900 posts tonight :D

between SS last night and Raw tonight, I think I jumped up about 300 posts. :shifty:

[SuperSlim]

no one likes a quitter slim

I wasn't quitting. It was more of a uhhhh realizing I could do it so I used that time more wisely by watching TV and playing pool :shifty:

[Shadow]

Yes...it did.

LOL at Jericho.

[Shadow]

AHAHAH!

Chant war going on!

[Innovator]

DUAL CHANTS AGAIN!

[SuperSlim]

between SS last night and Raw tonight, I think I jumped up about 300 posts. :shifty:

and I thought I was the post whore

[Gone Mad]

Man, how much of a swerve would it be if Jericho actually WON?


.... as much as I like Jericho, it ain't happening. :(

[Innovator]

TAP YOU WIGGA!

[Shadow]

You are Slim...you are.

GO JERICHO!

[Joey Slugs]

did they just throw in a tape from last night?

[TerranRich]

WTF was up with the forums? Database error?

Anyway, yeah, Cena will win and Jericho will be "fired". That's about it.

[Innovator]

RING THE FUCKING BELL BISCHOFF!

[SuperSlim]

If Jericho won with his boston crab that'd be crazy

[Shadow]

...............lo lJericho is taking off Cena's shoe.

[SuperSlim]

You are Slim...you are.



:D

[TerranRich]

I hate the new Pussy Walls of Jericho. It's not even a Boston Crab. It's wussier.

[Joey Slugs]

how the hell does the "new" liontamer/walls of jericho actually hurt?

[SuperSlim]

why do they always do that? they don't hear the bell but they think they won

[TerranRich]

Seriously, Jericho was grabbing Cena's legs, and that was it. Not even a submission move.

[Shadow]

.................BEST FU EVER!

[SuperSlim]

haha the way JR said that was funny

A HUGE fU TO JERICHO!

[6to1]

i was hopeing for a cena heel turn an bischoff turn on y2j.

[The Answer]

The Jericholics are shaking....

[Innovator]

POWER OF THE PUNCH!

[Shadow]

Does the ref even notice the brass knucks on Jericho?

I guess not...

[Joey Slugs]

KNUCKS!!!!

[SuperSlim]

how the hell does the "new" liontamer/walls of jericho actually hurt?

have you ever had your knees bent by another person in the way they are supposed to bend? man that is painful painful stuff :'(

[Gone Mad]

HAHA this match is Hilarious! Bisch = greatness

[Shadow]

WHAT THE HELL!? NOBODY KICKS OUT FROM THE POWER OF THE PUNCH.

[SuperSlim]

wee see teh spot

[Joey Slugs]

i would LOVE a cena heel turn...but Angle is the top heel now.

[Innovator]

FUCKING BISCHOFF

[Shadow]

I actually love this match!

[TerranRich]

Duh...told ya.

[The Answer]

What BS in real life those brass knucks would knock you out cold for an hour or two....

[Shadow]

WHAT A FUCKING MATCH!

To the dissapointment of you all.

[Innovator]

Jericho face turn, CMON

[Joey Slugs]

NA NA NA NA
NA NA NA NA
Hey Hey Hey
GOODBYE! :wavesad:


See ya on SD!

[Innovator]

God they made Jericho a pussy

[TerranRich]

I must've been the only one not excited by this match simply because the ending was so obvious, what with the news of Jericho leaving right after SummerSlam.

[Shadow]

Jericho is soooo convincing!

[SuperSlim]

a Jericholess Raw.


the wussification of Jericho. :'(

[The Answer]

Wow, Jericho sounds like such a pussy............pathetic :nono:

[mike627]

Off to SD w/you Y2J..

[TerranRich]

WTF? Begging to Bischoff, appealing to Cena, then being dragged out a broken man.

Way to leave a last impression in our eyes, WWE, so we have something—

KURT ANGLE! Here starts the feud!!! :D

[Joey Slugs]

YES!!!!!!!

FUCKING PERFECT SPOT!!

[Innovator]

/AGARIGHRASGIHRGIOARHJDRIBHJRAIBNKBHRAG ANGLE!

[Gone Mad]

** BOWS FOR THE GREATNESS THAT WAS CHRIS JERICHO **

:wavesad:

[SuperSlim]

and now the Angle/Cena feud begins

[Loose Cannon]

:D

there we go

[Shadow]

Hey look...it's Angle.

Damn WWE leaking the poster.

[Joey Slugs]

I LOVE THIS

[Innovator]

WOOOOOOOOOOO

[Face Heely]

This is what they needed going into SummerSlam - Jericho as a viable contender. Cena sold the hell out of the Walls of Jericho, and the "can't lift him for the FU" bit was pretty formula, but a great bit of the kind of in match continuity that WWE main events have been lacking. Cena got his ass kicked, but still came through, in a surprisingly believable way. That's how you establish your champ.

...so, when Jericho returns, is it Raw or Smackdown? And will he be a face, or whiny heel?

Hey, how 'bout that segway into our next title challenger? Makes it feel like they actually planned ahead. :p

[Loose Cannon]

what did I say like 2 months ago

Jericho was a feeder for Cena to get to Angle.

Next time you dreamers will listen

[Morgan]

Angle really is god.

[Innovator]

NEW CHAMP!

NEW CHAMP!

NEW CHAMP!

[Gone Mad]

** IT'S TRUE!!1 IT'S KIRK FREAKIN' ANGEL!!! **

Angle = YOUR future WWE champion!! HAHAHAHA!!

[SuperSlim]

but man they did Jericho wrong :nono:

[Loose Cannon]

thank god Jericho is gone. He needed tget the hell out of there

[Joey Slugs]

Angle = Bischoff's Pitbull

[Innovator]

what did I say like 2 months ago

Jericho was a feeder for Cena to get to Angle.

Next time you dreamers will listenI knew it, but my love for Jericho will never die

[Innovator]

UFC TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Loose Cannon]

I think Cena should beat Angle the first time and lose it at Survivor Series

[Innovator]

Rich Franklin and Matt Hughes = GOLD

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Meh, I like Angle just fine, but Jericho > Angle.


Still, as long as someone gets the belt off of Cena, I'm happy. Jericho getting "fired" still ruined Raw for me though. Maybe he'll be able to kick some ass on Smackdown. :wavesad:

[Innovator]

I think Cena should beat Angle the first time and lose it at Survivor Seriesthen Angle loses to HHH, who will face Cena at Mania

[TerranRich]

I think this break will do Jericho's character some good. But the way they had his go out...pathetic.

[Joey Slugs]

How many people did Vince throw at Austin to get the belt off of him a few years back?

I hope this time around it's just 2.

[ThruTheWire]

Yeah, but though he went out real pathetic, he can come back much more intense if his character get's to freshen up a bit over the next few months.

[John la Rock]

lol ANGLE > JERICHO

[Volchok]

Yeah I was pretty siked when Cena showed up on Raw but over the weeks it's just been getting more lame.. now it's like.. " oh Cena.. okay"... Also if Raw got Torrie and Michelle for Jericho that kinda sucks...

[Gone Mad]

As much as I love Jericho, he needs a break. He's been long overdue that's for sure. HE'S A BIG MULTIMEDIA SUPERSTAR, AFTER ALL! So when he comes back, whenever he comes back, he'll be bigger and better, that's for damn sure.

Great show as it was interesting and different. Still... heel divas? Naaaah, don't believe it. Later. MADNESSART.COM!

[Loose Cannon]

How many people did Vince throw at Austin to get the belt off of him a few years back?

I hope this time around it's just 2.

Austin lost to Kane at KOTR right? So only Kane and Dude Love I think

[KingofOldSchool]

Murdoch and Cade remind me of the old school Dusty Rhodes/Dick Murdoch tag team from the 70's. Two heel bad asses that will beat the shit out of anyone.

Yet then again, I dunno how conviced I am of Cade being a bad ass.

[Destor]

Austin lost to Kane at KOTR right? So only Kane and Dude Love I think
Yeah, but he won the title back the next night so its not looking good for kurt by that standard.

[KingofOldSchool]

Cade: We're serving notice to all of the tag teams in the WWE.

*crickets chirp*

Hurricane: Ohh. Uhh...what is up...with that?

[Loose Cannon]

Murdoch and Cade remind me of the old school Dusty Rhodes/Dick Murdoch tag team from the 70's. Two heel bad asses that will beat the shit out of anyone.

yea exactly.

nothing like Smoking Gunns

[Face Heely]

Y'know, watching that smooth transition from Jericho (you'll be missed, Chris) to Angle, with Bisch playing the evil mastermind role perfectly, I'm beginning to (reluctantly) like this Cena-Bischoff feud. The constant attempts to make it Austin-McMahon are ipecac-level vomit-inducers, but the two characters involved are both charismatic and fun to watch. (Bisch is more consistent in both those qualities, of course.) If you tweak the formula a little, it could really click.

And just how would I tweak it? Well, Austin was cheered for constantly gettting the upper hand on his boss. He absolutely destroyed everything in his path, and we believed it, 'cause his character was just enough of a roughneck to sell said ass-kickery. Cena is not so believable as an anti-establishment "tough guy" (he's from the freakin' suburbs of Boston!), but he's got that Austin-like "regular guy" quality, which is why, I think, fans have taken to him. So, rather than have Cena emulate the Austin-esque qualities that he doesn't have, why not play up the one he does - the average joe factor?

Hell, I was marking out for Cena by the end of tonight's match, and I didn't even like him much as a heel. And the thought process that led me to such marking out was simple - Cena is the plucky underdog, wouldn't it be great to see him win. What they need to do with Angle is maintain that feeling. WWE, we're not stupid - we know Angle can outwrestle Cena. And, quite frankly, the combined brainpower of Kurt and Eric should be enough to outsmart Cena. But if you turn Cena into that likeable underdog who manages to come through when it counts (shades of Mick Foley) - then you might have something.

There's potential gold in this feud, but it sure ain't in the messy rehash of Austin/McMahon they've been giving us.

[Joey Slugs]

Austin lost to Kane at KOTR right? So only Kane and Dude Love I think

I know they are one guy but Vince had Mankind & Dude Love along with Kane, Undertaker (at one time) & The Rock.

[TerranRich]

Yeah I was pretty siked...
"siked"? Do you mean "psyched"? ;)

[Loose Cannon]

I know they are one guy but Vince had Mankind & Dude Love along with Kane, Undertaker (at one time) & The Rock.

I don't get what you're saying

[SuperSlim]

looks like Vince had so many guys after Austin to get the title and now they tryin to do the same to Cena :?:

[Joey Slugs]

I don't get what you're saying

During Austin's title reign, Vince teamed (in one way or another) with Kane, Undertaker, Rock, Dude Love, Mankind, & various mid-carders.... all to try to get the belt off of him.

As much as I will enjoy watching Cena get the shit kicked out of him by Angle, we are just following the same old pattern. First Jericho, now Angle... who's next? HBK? Brock? Edge? Kane?

[Joey Slugs]

looks like Vince had so many guys after Austin to get the title and now they tryin to do the same to Cena :?:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[KingofOldSchool]

yea exactly.

nothing like Smoking Gunns

but they are two cowboys from Texas so obviously they must be another Smoking Gunns! :roll:

[zdmay]

That was a good Raw tonight. Aside from the pointless heel turn of Torrie Wilson and Candice Michelle, I am interested who they were traded for. Kurt Angle transitioning to No. 1 contender was great after his equally great match with Shelton Benjamin, which should propell him to the InterContinental title scene.

A note on Shelton Benjamin, I would not be surprised if he was traded back to Smackdown! Remember before he was drafted to Raw, he had a good showing in that Slobber Knocker Type match to be the No. 1 contender before he eventually lost. I think after his great match with Kurt Angle, he could be a good challenger to Chris Benoit or even Batista.

[Destor]

During Austin's title reign, Vince teamed (in one way or another) with Kane, Undertaker, Rock, Dude Love, Mankind, & various mid-carders.... all to try to get the belt off of him.

As much as I will enjoy watching Cena get the shit kicked out of him by Angle, we are just following the same old pattern. First Jericho, now Angle... who's next? HBK? Brock? Edge? Kane?

During Austin sfirst title run he faced Dude love at Unforgiven. Dude again at Over the Edge. And Kane at KOTR.

[Loose Cannon]

During Austin's title reign, Vince teamed (in one way or another) with Kane, Undertaker, Rock, Dude Love, Mankind, & various mid-carders.... all to try to get the belt off of him.

As much as I will enjoy watching Cena get the shit kicked out of him by Angle, we are just following the same old pattern. First Jericho, now Angle... who's next? HBK? Brock? Edge? Kane?

yea, like I keep pointing out, If it's worked in the past, i.e. Hogan and Austin, keep following the formula. Cena is on fire right now with the crowd and he is the biggest draw, so feeding him heels is the correct thing to do IMO. The WWE lacked good babyfaces that could draw for a while and now they got one in Cena.

[Volchok]

"siked"? Do you mean "psyched"? ;)


:shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Y'know, watching that smooth transition from Jericho (you'll be missed, Chris) to Angle, with Bisch playing the evil mastermind role perfectly, I'm beginning to (reluctantly) like this Cena-Bischoff feud. The constant attempts to make it Austin-McMahon are ipecac-level vomit-inducers, but the two characters involved are both charismatic and fun to watch. (Bisch is more consistent in both those qualities, of course.) If you tweak the formula a little, it could really click.

And just how would I tweak it? Well, Austin was cheered for constantly gettting the upper hand on his boss. He absolutely destroyed everything in his path, and we believed it, 'cause his character was just enough of a roughneck to sell said ass-kickery. Cena is not so believable as an anti-establishment "tough guy" (he's from the freakin' suburbs of Boston!), but he's got that Austin-like "regular guy" quality, which is why, I think, fans have taken to him. So, rather than have Cena emulate the Austin-esque qualities that he doesn't have, why not play up the one he does - the average joe factor?

Hell, I was marking out for Cena by the end of tonight's match, and I didn't even like him much as a heel. And the thought process that led me to such marking out was simple - Cena is the plucky underdog, wouldn't it be great to see him win. What they need to do with Angle is maintain that feeling. WWE, we're not stupid - we know Angle can outwrestle Cena. And, quite frankly, the combined brainpower of Kurt and Eric should be enough to outsmart Cena. But if you turn Cena into that likeable underdog who manages to come through when it counts (shades of Mick Foley) - then you might have something.

There's potential gold in this feud, but it sure ain't in the messy rehash of Austin/McMahon they've been giving us.

Exactly what I think.

It's not that I'm not a fan of Cena, it's just the guys he goes up against (Jericho, Angle, etc.) could all own Cena on any given night, realistically, yet most of the time the WWE tries to make Cena look invincible like he's the world's greatest wrestler, despite the fact 96% of the moves he uses in his matches are illegal.

If the WWE tried to show us the wrestling side of Cena, and had him match *skills* with Jericho and Angle, instead of just hitting them with punches in an attempt to channel Stone Cold, he would be the most sympathetic babyface in the WWE.

[Lara Emily]

The trade was Torrie and Candice for Christy and Stacy

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/082205trade

[Loose Cannon]

lol, so they can do trades out of nowhere now? That's pretty cool if guys just started showing up on the other show and were like "yea, just got traded"

[Nervous Ferret]

yeah just got traded from casual forum. Full time wrestling poster now

[AJHayes]

I was so damn impressed by tonights main event. The WWE has needed something like that for a long time. I don't usually care for angle, but, based upon his match with Benjamin tonight, I'm really looking forward to this series of matches.

...And Snitsky-Big Show was pretty good too. Of course, I'm sure it helps that I'm a bit of a Show mark.

[Corkscrewed]

w00t! Stacy on Smackdown! :D

And Christy on SD will at least give more possible C-Fed material... :shifty:



Anyway, I was eating at the time, but I LOVED the segway to Angle beating the tar out of Cena. This is the edgy, take no prisoners, sadistic Angle I love. Not some pervert... this is Angle the way he wants to be and the way we want him to be. Awesome stuff right there. :y:

[HeartBreakMan2k]

By the way am I the only one to notice that while John Cena is the writers project, Shelton seems to be the wrestlers project. Yes, the writers put Cena over in everything, but no one in the uppercard really makes him. Where as Shelton, while booked to lose is put over by every member of the uppercard. Triple H busted ass to make him, Shawn busted ass to make him, and Kurt busted ass to make him. I think it just goes to show that while these guys get shit for their politics, they are smart enough to see someone who could really be the next big thing in the industry.

[Lara Emily]

lol, so they can do trades out of nowhere now? That's pretty cool if guys just started showing up on the other show and were like "yea, just got traded"
Yeah but chances are all the trades will deal with guys no one gives two shits about

[Joey Slugs]

yeah just got traded from casual forum. Full time wrestling poster now

We win.

[VonErich Lives]

Y2J gets fired, he should have decked Bishop and walked off on his own, this allows him to come back as a face, and anti-bishof.

Instead, whereever he returns everyone will remember the cryer who hugged bishof leg begging to save his job for his wife/kid.

With the way they job'd Y2J the last few months, wasn't that bad enough.... to put him out this way, I hope his band really goes huge and he never comes back, maybe a once a year like the Rock used to.

[Destor]

Everyones seem to forgotten about Christians tantrums so im sure Jericho, in time, will be fine.