'The Most Violent Match in North America'

[Sadistic]

Just wondering if anyone else has seen it? I am referring to the CZW match from April 14, 2001 - 'Sick' Nick Mondo & Jun Kasai vs. Johnny Kashmere & Justice Pain.
The match has been dubbed 'World's Most Violent Match' to the more suited 'Most Violent Match in North America'.
I was amazed throughout the match by the punishment all these guys took but my jaw dropped fo the floor when i saw the sick bump Kasai took. I'll say that if you have a weak stomach you DON'T want to see this.

[Chavo Classic]

Someone upload it

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Someone upload it

[alvarado52]

Someone upload it

[Xero]

(Insert quote here.)

[Skippord]

I bet I know where he got this from

[Sadistic]

Here you go:

http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1U7WPAH1D0OKE16LP6UKQUUNMD

[Xero]

Those are the kinds of retards who deserve to be locked in a room with Bob Holly.

[KingofOldSchool]

LOL @ the ref sweeping up debris from the ring

Like they couldn't possibly get hurt even worse.

[DaBrasko]

Is this the same match where a weed wacker is used ??

[Loose Cannon]

congrats to them I guess :|

[KingofOldSchool]

Jesus H. Christ, I can see bone sticking out of that guy's arm.

[Sepholio]

Downloading now for viewing pleasure.:yes:

[Linkbowler]

Dear CZW,

We look forward to doing business with you again.

Signed,
The emergency room

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

[Gone Mad]

Ummm.... yeah... uhh....


THOSE GUYS ARE FUCKIN' INSANE!

Those last 13 or so minutes go on for a painful long time. I mean, they show the same sick shit for 13 minutes! :nono:

[Corkscrewed]

Well, I'm sure putting themselves through all that torture has earned them legions of fans, right? In fact, that self sacrifice has made them known throughout the country, right? They've got millions of people chanting their names. Right?

I mean... why else would they do it? :shifty:

[Nervous Ferret]

Sadistic is my pet n00b :D I'd be winning the league right now if it wasn't for that darn Skippord :madL

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Okay, seriously, what the fuck? THat's not even wrestling, that's just shit that'll influence some retarded 16 year old to hit his younger brother with light bulbs in their back yard, blame it on wrestling, and get the WWE sued.

[Impact!]

Stop ruining my fun, damn you. :mad:





:shifty:

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Then again, on the positive side, brain damage can get you hot sympathetic chicks.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Or more likely the fat ugly ones who'll try to rape you because you're half retarded and can't move from the neck down.

[Chavo Classic]

Sadistic is my pet n00b :D I'd be winning the league right now if it wasn't for that darn Skippord :madL

Hands off my adopted newbie. He's mine!

[Chavo Classic]

Okay, seriously, what the fuck? THat's not even wrestling, that's just shit that'll influence some retarded 16 year old to hit his younger brother with light bulbs in their back yard, blame it on wrestling, and get the WWE sued.

Thats not a bad idea!

[Chavo Classic]

Ok just a few thoughts after watching that fuckcluster of a match.

1) Who the fuck hired that commentary team? Talking over the promos and yelling out 'this will end in murder'. Give me a break. Although they weren't wrong when they said 'this is disgusting'.

2) Who the fuck hired that camera man? For the first five minutes I didn't even know there was a wrestling match

3) Justice Pain doesn't seem too bad of a grappler. He wrapped that STO on pretty well and the short intervals of wrestling were done seemlessly.

4) Nick Mondo - kid, you have no sense!

5) Ok, so that guy has lost his elbow. I'm not kidding. He's lost it. There's nothing there. You can't stitch that up - because there's no flesh left. And then you're going to tape it up so you can continue to wrestle? Kid - you had no sense either.

6) Even the DDTs and the German Suplexes looked unsafe. You wanna be a wrestler kid? Well don't go to CZW. Because you'll either be thrown into a hardcore match and lose your elbow or be thrown into a casual wrestling match and lose mobility in your neck because this dickhead wants to literally drive your head into the mat with the DDT.

7) The Backstage scene. Ouch! Now the adrenaline has gone, you're going to be in a world of pain. That was unnecessary. I really dont want to see a zoom on that guy's elbow. I'm a wrestling fan - not a medicine student. And the poor kids who witnessed the guy leave the locker room - well, there goes your innocence.

All in all, it made me long for the clean cut WWE. Hell, I'd even watch Chris Masters over that pile of crap. There was no psychology in there whatsoever. No story was being told. There was one pin attempt and that ended the match. You'd think they'd slow it down in parts to emphasise the action in parts. I had to pause the video and come back to it every 5 minutes as not to be overwhelmed.

Seriously, go back to wrestling school - no forget that, because your wrestling school taught you how to do that! Go see Dory Funk and beg him to make you a real wrestler.

[Sadistic]

Woah it sounds like most of you have never seen CZW before. Most main event matches are like this (minus the bone sticking out of elbows).
But remember i said main event. All the mid card matches are good wrestling matches. Please remember that CZW is not all this stuff. However if you liked this match I may upload some even more sick stuff from CZW.

[Sadistic]

Sadistic is my pet n00b :D I'd be winning the league right now if it wasn't for that darn Skippord :madL

This is a wrestling forum where people discuss wrestling.
You've been watching wrestling for a year and a half, I've been watching for 13 and a half years.
You're the noob.

[Chavo Classic]

I've seen some CZW on the Wrestling Channel. There was this young grappler pretending he was a college student and brought a ceg to the ring and having everyone drink from it. He climbed the turnbuckle to execute what I thought was going to be a devastating manevour (he looked the cruiserweight build) but he fell off purposely and the announcers laughed: "Ha ha, he's so drunk".

I was just :wtf: and turned over. Seriously, thats not wrestling. Its skinny kids who probably dropped out of wrestling school being beaten up by disgruntled old garbage wrestling veterans. I should have known what to expect from an organisation which calls itself combat zone wrestling and has a show called fake you tv :nono:

[Chavo Classic]

This is a wrestling forum where people discuss wrestling.
You've been watching wrestling for a year and a half, I've been watching for 13 and a half years.
You're the noob.

But apparently he already knows more about wrestling than you do.

[Sadistic]

Don't judge CZW by the little you've seen. They've had some really good matches with guys like M Dogg 20, Petey Williams, Teddy Hart, Homicide, Jack Evans, Ruckus, Ric Blade, Sonjay Dutt, Josh Prohibition, etc.

[Chavo Classic]

I'm not. That Justice Pain guy looked decent in the ring when he wasn't coating the mat in glass. I'm sure there are decent wrestlers in the federation and thats the biggest shame. Just like Corkscrewed said...

Well, I'm sure putting themselves through all that torture has earned them legions of fans, right? In fact, that self sacrifice has made them known throughout the country, right? They've got millions of people chanting their names. Right?

I just dont get it. I've only heard of several wrestlers in that list provided because they're on TNA, where they have greater mainstream exposure and dont have to sacrafice their elbows. They should take a page from Mick Foley's first book...

Break a table when the fans actually care about you

This can be applicable to every wrestler in that video. I couldn't really give a shit if Nick Mondo broke his neck in that match - the only people who would have are the hundred or so 'fans' in that gym (and even then a day later they would have forgotten about him when the next suicidal wrestling-school drop-out comes along to CZW willing to do anything to become the next Zandig). So re-evaluate your career. Because Nick Mondo: you can't do that every month.

[Sadistic]

Mondo is retired now. He has gone through a lot worse than that. You should see his match against Zandig where two of them go off a 30 foot building through tables and light tubes. I will upload it. Or even the Weed wacker to the stomach, I can upload that too. Mondo now works at blockbuster video store. He retired after winning the tournament of death 2.

Well if CZW toned down then they would go out of business. they have built their reputation on having the sickest matches on the planet. And if wrestlers are going to be a part of it, then why stop it? There's a market there, guys want to do it, it should be stopped just because you don't like it?

I know I'd rather watch M Dogg 20 and Sonjay Dutt in a CZW ring than watch John Cena on Carlito's Cabana. CZW fans care about good wrestling matches.

[Xero]

LOL, Mondo works at a Blockbuster, that's sad. He went through all the shit he went through just to go work at a video store... :rofl: He deserves every bit of that minimum wage.

[Sadistic]

LOL, Mondo works at a Blockbuster, that's sad. He went through all the shit he went through just to go work at a video store... :rofl:
Yeah he didn't want to do wrestling all his life. Why don't you ask him why at his message board? He replies to every single message.

[Chavo Classic]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You sure are dumb. You just contradicted yourself.

There's a market there, guys want to do it...

Sure there's a market... thats why no-one here has heard of it, and why...

[Mondo]now works at blockbuster video store. He retired after winning the tournament of death 2

Wow. There's such a market for it that Mondo busted his ass of for the federation every year, retired early and now works in a fucking video store? A VIDEO STORE? So he's not living comfortably on the many thousands of dollars he made wrestling for a fed with such a loyal and passionate audience. That tournament should have been renamed the tournament of career death 2. The guy is another social reject. All he has now are scars, the memory of a few drunken wrestling fans chanting his name and the honour of serving dirty old bastards with the latest Jenna Jameson porn.

Further more...

You should see his match against Zandig where two of them go off a 30 foot building through tables and light tubes.

Why would that be entertaining?

CZW fans care about good wrestling matches.

Again, that wasn't wrestling. Wrestling matches tell a story, they have a psychology. There was one pin attempt in that match. There was no structure - nothing. It wasn't a good wrestling match. It was a joke

and finally...

...it should be stopped just because you don't like it?

No, its going to be stopped because it'll never make a dime. No, I dont like it - so I won't watch it but I dont think it should be stopped at all. If it keeps mindless gore fans like yourself entertained then fine - its certainly found its niche.

[Chavo Classic]

Yeah he didn't want to do wrestling all his life. Why don't you ask him why at his message board? He replies to every single message.

Thats right. He has aspirations and ambitions!

BLOCKBUSTER VIDEO! Give me a break

[Destor]

Now I appreciate hardcore wrestling, its takes balls that no one can deny, but other than having a high tolerance for pain these guys are talentless. M dogg 20 and Jason Prohibition are Backyard Wrestlers turned pro. No wonder there in CZW.

CZW at best is garbage wrestling for garbage wrestling fans. If your gonna watch that shit at least watch FMW (since its the godfather of garbage). This type of wrestling in no way furthers the business, the only thing it does is ruin the career of guys who could have changed the business in some way, shape, form, or fashion.

I dont want the CZW to stop, its feeding someone. But not Mondo's family.

[Xero]

Yeah he didn't want to do wrestling all his life. Why don't you ask him why at his message board? He replies to every single message.
Why couldn't he make enough money to retire for a few years? What? He didn't make all that much money in CZW doing fucking idiotic things for drunk fans you say?

I know that indy wrestlers don't make that much, but for the retarded things that he did I'd expect to be payed a good amount of money every time I 'wrestled' [and I use that term loosely] for CZW... The line between passion and just no common sense isn't very fine, but Mondo, and much of the 'wrestlers' in CZW have leaped across that line.

[Chavo Classic]

When they write his obituary I hope they include the bit about him being King of the second Death Tournament, and that he went on to work in Blockbuster.

I dont know what to think. Its sad. He's probably working under the management of a spotty 19 year old. You still want to be a wrestler?

[Sadistic]

I've asked Mondo about money. He said that they get hardly anything. Most of the guys have full time jobs and just do CZW on the side. Some do it for fun, because they like wrestling or maybe just for the experience.

Btw he retired because his body couldn't take anymore. No one expects to get rich off of indy wrestling. I'll keep watching guys doing corkscrew 720 flips through tables while you watch John Cena vs. JBL in a 5 minute main event in a promotion where moonsaults (yes, the move 5 year old kids do) are banned.

[Xero]

I'll keep watching guys doing corkscrew 720 flips through tables while you watch John Cena vs. JBL in a 5 minute main event in a promotion where moonsaults (yes, the move 5 year old kids do) are banned.
Maybe that's why the average career span of a WWE wrestler is longer than a few years.

It doesn't take much talent to jump off a house through a light bulb table. You just need a high tolerance for pain or very little common sense.

Even Mick Foley in his most hardcore matches wasn't that fucking stupid.

[Chavo Classic]

Just shut up!

What is wrong with you? Can you not see that this is slightly abnormal? The guy now works in a Blockbuster video store and probably has chronic back problems. I earnt more than this guy when I was 17. He's wasted most of this life jumping through glass lubes and tables and now he doesn't have a career.

That is not a healthy lifestyle.

Sit yourself down and watch a Kurt Angle match. Thats wrestling. As for this..

I'll keep watching guys doing corkscrew 720 flips through tables while you watch John Cena vs. JBL in a 5 minute main event

You're guilty of generalisation as much as we are. John Cena is not the most talented guy in the world. I don't watch for him at all. I watch for Kurt Angle, Benoit, London etc.

[Chavo Classic]

It doesn't take much talent to jump off a house through a light bulb table. You just need a high tolerance for pain.

These guys could still learn a hell of a lot about dealing with pain from a man who won the 1996 Olympic freestyle wrestling gold with a broken neck.

Most of the guys wrestling in CZW probably couldnt even feel pain becaue of the rush of adrenaline through the match. Anyone can do that shit. I've played half an hour of semi-pro rugby with a shattered wrist and didn't even feel it until I was in the players' bar 2 hours later.

[Sadistic]

Dude Mondo is not homeless or anything, he's going to university.

I watch WWE for those wrestler also. However wrestlers like that seem to be getting less air time and wrestlers like Cena and JBL seem to be getting more.
I remember watching Wrestlemania 21, Smackdown's main event: Cena vs. JBL in what couldn't have been more than 6 minutes in one of the most boring matches I've ever seen in my 13 and a half years of watchnig wrestling and i thought to myself: What the fuck is this?

I will keep watching CZW and not just for the deathmatches, but for the good wrestling matches. Yes, they exist, I suggest you have a look for yourself.

[Sadistic]

Mondo vs. Zandig just for you guys:

http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0EKROO3MWKLKV0S1A7OBTM1FG7

Prepare to be shocked.
(Mondo goes on to wrestle in the final of the tournament, his last match)

[Xero]

These guys could still learn a hell of a lot about dealing with pain from a man who won the 1996 Olympic freestyle wrestling gold with a broken neck.

Most of the guys wrestling in CZW probably couldnt even feel pain becaue of the rush of adrenaline through the match. Anyone can do that shit. I've played half an hour of semi-pro rugby with a shattered wrist and didn't even feel it until I was in the players' bar 2 hours later.
That's true, although you'd think that after the match they'd say 'hey, my bone is sticking out and my back is ripped open, I need to stop this shit before I permanently injure myself'. You're going to feel if you're missing a huge chunk of your muscle and and skin after the match.

[Chavo Classic]

Good luck to him. He needs some direction in his pitiful life.

[Chavo Classic]

Mondo vs. Zandig just for you guys:

http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0EKROO3MWKLKV0S1A7OBTM1FG7

Prepare to be shocked.
(Mondo goes on to wrestle in the final of the tournament, his last match)

If its more of the same - not watching it

[Destor]

Most of the guys wrestling in CZW probably couldnt even feel pain becaue of the rush of adrenaline through the match. Anyone can do that shit.

Not true. I've met some sreious pussies in this buiness. Let me tell ya a quick story from when I was training:

I was working out with a guy (a "vet") I give him a waist lock suplex, after we hit the mat I spin around his body and grab a front headlock (you see Angle do it all the time) well one of his hands was out were it shouldn't be and my knee landed on it. It drove his finger nail though his finger. He gets out of the ring screaming and crying and shit and I'm just laughing 'cause I know it was his fault. Any way long story short he went to the hospital, missed three shows, and cried in front of a group of his fellow wrestlers. PUSSY! Lets see him go though a table of light tubes.

[Chavo Classic]

Let me reiterate...

Most of the guys wrestling in CZW probably couldnt even feel pain...

Not all.

So yes, there will be some pussies who can't deal with the pain. Perhaps the adrenaline wasn't flowing enough for that guy.

[Sadistic]

If its more of the same - not watching it
Just watch it, it has the sickest bump i've ever seen. mondo ends up with nerve damage after it. This is the match that made him retire.

[Chavo Classic]

He ends up with what? :wtf:

[Sadistic]

Damage to his nerve system. Just watch it.

[Destor]

Let me reiterate...

Most of the guys wrestling in CZW probably couldnt even feel pain...

Not all.

So yes, there will be some pussies who can't deal with the pain. Perhaps the adrenaline wasn't flowing enough for that guy.
I was just saying there are some pussies in wrestling.

[Chavo Classic]

He damages his CNS to appease a few drunken fans. Can you see whats wrong with CZW yet?

[Chavo Classic]

I was just saying there are some pussies in wrestling.

I'm just in an argumentative mood talkin to this dumbfuck. Sorry mate

[Sadistic]

Well CZW's fan base continues to grow and WWE's product continues to get staler so you keep watching WWE and maybe Carlito may say something funny while I watch top class wrestling with a hardcore edge to it.

[Destor]

dont be. I just thought that story needed to be told.

[Destor]

Well CZW's fan base continues to grow and WWE's product continues to get staler so you keep watching WWE and maybe Carlito may say something funny while I watch top class wrestling with a hardcore edge to it.
And where is this WRESTLING? all I see is bashing and then some random moves onto glass and shit. Where is the physiology?

[Xero]

What the fuck is the appeal to this? Seriously, what drunken idiot wants to watch two no talent asswipes hit each other with light bulbs and jump off of buildings? What the fuck is the point to these matches?

[Sadistic]

And where is this WRESTLING? all I see is bashing and then some random moves onto glass and shit. Where is the physiology?
Each CZW event has about 8 matches. ONE or TWO matches are like that. the rest are like ECW mid card matches. Sonjay Dutt vs. JC Bailey, M Dogg 20 vs. Josh Prohibition, Jack Evans vs. Homicide, Teddy Hart vs. Petey Williams etc.

[Chavo Classic]

...and as yet all you've harped on about is 'how great Mondo is'. Upload some of these 'other technical' matches and restore your credibility.

[Chavo Classic]

And where is this WRESTLING? all I see is bashing and then some random moves onto glass and shit. Where is the physiology?

Thats lots of physiology. :D

There's zero psychology

[Chavo Classic]

Well CZW's <s>fan base </s>wrestlers continue to get injured, retire early and work in Blockbuster <s>grow </s>and WWE's product continues to get staler so you keep watching WWE and maybe Carlito may say something funny while I watch <s>top class </s> garbage wrestling with a <s> hardcore </s> sick and twisted edge to it.

[Destor]

Thats lots of physiology. :D

There's zero psychology
Asswhole.... :D

[Chavo Classic]

Whatever, gay rape avatar man!

[SuperSlim]

so why in the world is this argument over CZW continuing?

I mean I've actually taken someone's advice to download some of Nick's matches and watch them and I downloaded quite a few. KNow what I found? A lot of wasted tables and broken light bulbs that could be used elsewhere and a lot better than just being broken.

CZW is so wasteful with materials it's sad.

Also I've yet to see anything good about it.

[Chavo Classic]

Slim - the part time environmentalist and wrestling fan

[SuperSlim]

:D

[Loose Cannon]

Just watch it, it has the sickest bump i've ever seen. mondo ends up with nerve damage after it. This is the match that made him retire.

Yea, this post really helped your argument in this thread.

[Sadistic]

My argument that CZW shows have 1 or 2 matches with SICK bumps and the rest are great spectacles of professional wrestling?
Anyway that was tournament of death. Once a year CZW does this where EVERY match is like the 1 or 2 of normal events, every match is a deathmatch.

[Xero]

I ask again...
What the fuck is the appeal to this? Seriously, what drunken idiot wants to watch two no talent asswipes hit each other with light bulbs and jump off of buildings? What the fuck is the point to these matches?

[Destor]

Brutallity and gore, Gore, GORE!

[RemyRed]

CZW can be pretty decent at times.

[Rain Man]

http://www.killsometime.com/Video/video.asp?video=Wrestling-Stunt-Fall Quick question what fucking match is this?

[Mr. JL]

It is like watching an action movie where there is no story. A movie where just stunt doubles pretend to hit each other for two hours. Except these guys (CZW wrestlers) are being paid significantly less and are actually mutilating their bodies.

[DaveWadding]

Even Mick Foley in his most hardcore matches wasn't that fucking stupid.

I dunno, the time that he used a C4 strapped 2x4 in Japan seems pretty fucking out there to me...

[Chavo Classic]

http://www.killsometime.com/Video/video.asp?video=Wrestling-Stunt-Fall Quick question what fucking match is this?

I've seen this clip before. It's New Jack versus the big one from the Baldies (his name escapes me at the moment) in a scaffold match.

Which is exactly my point... this guy dives off a scaffold and puts his life on the line for the satisfaction of wrestling fans and I can't even remember his fucking name.

[mitch_h]

While I can't comment on this particular match seeing as I don't feel like downloading it... especially since I disslike everyone in this match... minus Nick Mondo. However I must say that I do enjoy the occasional death match when they are well done. For instance I love Arsenal vs Sexxxy Eddie mainly because it had some innovative spots and wasn't simply two guys hitting eachother. But I would never call it a good wrestling match. One thing I do not like about CZW is how all the garbage overshadows the great workers like Mike Quackenbush, B-Boy, Chris Hero, El Generico etc.

[Chavo Classic]

Its called garbage wrestling because it is.... garbage!

[Disturbed316]

I'm not even going to bother downloading this. CZW is a pile of shit and if the guys working there think it's the place to get them somewhere else, they are completly wrong.

[Chavo Classic]

...if the guys working there think it's the place to get them somewhere else, they are completly wrong.

Hey, not true. Nick Mondo managed to get a job with Blockbuster without having to do the interview.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

CZW = Backyard wrestling
Backyard wrestler = Wankers

[Chavo Classic]

Wankers=CZW.

It's gone full circle

[thecc]

Well Czw has had roderick strong.

[Chavo Classic]

Does thecc stand for the Chavo Classic. If so, thank you

[thecc]

;)

Seriously though. While 98% of what czw puts out is crap it still has showcased some actually talented wrestlers.

[Chavo Classic]

Where have you been for the last 85 posts? :lol:

[thecc]

Ploting something elaborate to say. Then i decided it's really not worth the trouble.

[Chavo Classic]

ha!

Yeh, getting th AIDS is really not worth the trouble

[mitch_h]

I'm not even going to bother downloading this. CZW is a pile of shit and if the guys working there think it's the place to get them somewhere else, they are completly wrong.

The Briscoes and Amazing Red kinda made a name for themselves in CZW... Charlie Hass worked CZW as well :-\\

[thecc]

Really the only talent worth while in czw can be seen working in much better companys.

[The Greater Power]

I've never been exposed to this 'CZW' before until watching those two videos.

It's not my kinda thing, but I was entertained nonetheless.

[redoneja]

At least the crowd gets into a little, instead of the dead silence of an XPW crowd.(When XPW existed).

[Sadistic]

An average mid card match from a CZW show. This may give you a better impressions of CZW and help you realise that it is not just all glass and barbed wire:

Sonjay Dutt vs. M-dogg 20:

http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1RBL5YFPJB1BC301C3WB2Q3Q7J

[Stickman]

That match was fucking stupid. Seriously, how is it entertaining. Oh wow look, some guy no sold a wrestling move instead he jumped through flouresent tubes. If I was a the police cheif and CZW was coming I'd have everybody there arrested for being dumbasses.

[LK]

Sonjay Dutt vs. M-dogg 20:
Well I'm sure that this will make me change my view on this glorified backyard promotion.

[SuperSlim]

I just watched the first match.

man alive that was grade a pure piece of crap. How anyone can be entertained byt hat load of crap is beyond me.

Let's set up light bulbs and hit each other with it cause it's cool. :roll:

CZW is crap.

[PureHatred]

In July sadistic put up a poll about whether or not anyone on TPWW is interested in CZW or did they consider it 'garbage wrestling.'
Here's my post form then. My opinion hasn't changed:

That's stupid on so many levels I can't even begin to address it. All I'm saying is that just because someone plays in trafic and then says its 'for the fans' doesn't make the fact the fact that they play in traffic any less stupid. If they were dedicated they'd become better athletes and wouldn't have to get punched in the head with plate glass to make a living.

Face it: most garbage wrestlers are guys that are so shitty that no one would pay good money to watch them unless they were getting hit in the nuts with a weed whacker or some shit.

The matches are more along the line of brawl, brawl, brawl, HIGHSPOT, brawl, brawl, HIGHSPOT, brawl...stall for time..HIGHSPOT. There's no psychology and no chain wrestling. In ECW (and really in any good gimmick match) the high-spots are there to accentuate the story within the match. In garbage wrestling the match is done solely to watch someone do something stupid and ridiculous.

Watch 60 Minutes or whatever the next time theres a story on how pro wrestling is 'twisting the minds of young America.' The three things they always bring up: 1) the WWE's screwed up and overly sexed storylines, 2) the trailer trash who kill themselves in the backyard wrestling and 3) hardcore or garbage wrestling. they may not call the companies by name, but they always who footage of somebody getting hit in the face with a fluorecent lightbulb.

Garbage wrestling is a black eye on the industry and theres a reason that the only people who watch are usually pseudo-skinheads who still think that ICP is good music.

I hate everything about this type of wrestling and CZW specifically. Trying to defend it by saying"well there's wrestling in the midcard" is like defending dog-fighting by saying "well at least they give those animals a home."

[KingofOldSchool]

I watch WWE for those wrestler also. However wrestlers like that seem to be getting less air time and wrestlers like Cena and JBL seem to be getting more.


Maybe, just maybe, Cena gets air time because...

Well I'm just taking a wild guess at this but...

Because Cena is...

O...
V...
E...
R...
?
?

Just a wild guess though.

[KingofOldSchool]

But hey Sadistic, I've got something you can do.

You can write a letter to John Cena and ask him to land on some light bulbs in his match with Angle at Unforgiven just so it can make you and the 20 other CZW fans happy.

[Destor]

20?!? Your just being generous.

[SuperSlim]

yeah everyone knows it more like 5... ish

[KingofOldSchool]

20?!? Your just being generous.

I'm a nice guy.