Spiderman 3 Villians Announced....

[Shaggy]

With word going around that Spiderman 3 will be the final Spiderman movie for now from Raimi many were waiting to see who the villain would be

Many believed that after what happened in the end of the last movie that James Franco would portray the Green Goblin 2. Rumours also went around that The Chameleon would be the villian due to the fact that Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace were both signed on to be bad guys.

Well the verdict is in and Freeze Dried Movies finally got the heads up on who the new villians are for Spiderman 3...

James Franco will be Hobgoblin

Thomas Haden Church will be Sandman

and.....


wait for it....



Topher Grace will be.........Venom

Here is the link for the scoop...

http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/news/index.php?Action=Full&NewsID=3355

[Funky Fly]

What in the world?[/Conan]

[Cool King]

Topher Grace will be.........Venom

Venom!:love:

[Nervous Ferret]

Venom!:love:

[The Answer]

Venom :yes: Fuck ya!!!!!!!. Topher Grace though?

[mitchables]

Having Venom in this movie is a bad idea. Baaaaaaaaaaaad idea.

[CYCLOPTERSAURUS]

Venom, awesome. I think that's bad casting and I think he deserves his own movie instead of being one of 3, but it's Venom, and I'm happy.

[Loose Cannon]

Having Venom in this movie is a bad idea. Baaaaaaaaaaaad idea.

I know you're reasoning, but what if this movie doesn't get 1 or 2 more sequels? Then we would of never seen Venom. It's not like it's a shoe-in for 5 more sequels or something.

But Hobgolblin :eek:

I never knew Green Goblin's son turned into Hobgoblin.

[LoDownM]

Venoms cool and all. But this better be like a 3 hour+ movie so they explain his origin properly :mad:

[Jalapeño]

zomg Eric Foreman!! *mark out*

[Destor]

I know you're reasoning, but what if this movie doesn't get 1 or 2 more sequels? Then we would of never seen Venom. It's not like it's a shoe-in for 5 more sequels or something.

But Hobgolblin :eek:

I never knew Green Goblin's son turned into Hobgoblin.
He didnt, he was the 4th Green Goblin

[Loose Cannon]

but Franko was Green Goblin's son in the movie right?

And it says he's playing Hobgoblin

So what am I missing here?

[Loose Cannon]

WOAH Sandman too. Didn't even see him before. Gonna be a kickass movie

[Kane Knight]

but Franko was Green Goblin's son in the movie right?

And it says he's playing Hobgoblin

So what am I missing here?

What you're missing here is what's said on the webpage linked.

He's playing the first Hobgoblin, not Green Goblin II as in the comics.

Spider-Man doesn't shoot webbing out of his wrists, and his first opponent was not Green Goblin. They are taking liberties.

Venom=bad idea. Without any build, he's gonna be fucking stupid.

[Loose Cannon]

What you're missing here is what's said on the webpage linked.

He's playing the first Hobgoblin, not Green Goblin II as in the comics.

Spider-Man doesn't shoot webbing out of his wrists, and his first opponent was not Green Goblin. They are taking liberties.

Venom=bad idea. Without any build, he's gonna be fucking stupid.

oh my bad, should of read the article:shifty:

I loved Hobgoblin in the cartoon and in a few of the comics I have. MMy favorite goblin is Demogoblin though. He looks badass.

[Kane Knight]

The Demonic Hobgoblin and Demogoblin (Who was Hobgoblin's "Doppleganger" from a Marvel-Wide story arc) were the best incarnations. I didn't like Hobgoblin that much otherwise, he was a petty thug who used the Goblin formula.

I actually like the idea of Harry becoming the Hobgoblin though, instead of another Green Goblin. They're really gonna have to alter Venom though, if they're gonna include him. So far the villains have been true to form with minor changes. Usually to better fit the era and the format (movie vs comic)...Venom's gonna require a lot, or they're going to have to truncate a lot of shit. Either way, I'm gonna have major issues.

[mitchables]

I know you're reasoning, but what if this movie doesn't get 1 or 2 more sequels? Then we would of never seen Venom. It's not like it's a shoe-in for 5 more sequels or something.

But Hobgolblin :eek:

I never knew Green Goblin's son turned into Hobgoblin.

He didn't. Hobgoblin was Roderick Kingsley, a retired businessman and professional criminal. He and another criminal found Norman Osborn's old lairs, which had his costumes, weapons and journals in them. So Kingsley killed the other guy (George someone, I think. :$) and went about systematically looting the Green Goblin's old lairs and altered the costume slightly to become Hobgoblin.

Harry Osborn became the second Green Goblin, and had serious problems with drugs. He died later on as an apparent result of the Green Goblin formula.

[mitchables]

Oh. Yeah. What Kane said. :D

[mitchables]

Except for the 'Spider-Man not shooting webbing out of his wrists' bit. In Ultimate Spider-Man, he does have organic webshooters. :$

[Joey Slugs]

I know you're reasoning, but what if this movie doesn't get 1 or 2 more sequels? Then we would of never seen Venom. It's not like it's a shoe-in for 5 more sequels or something.

But Hobgolblin :eek:

I never knew Green Goblin's son turned into Hobgoblin.

There is talk of there being 6 Spiderman movies total.

[The Answer]

I forgot which symbiote came from space in the series: Venom or Carnage?

[Joey Slugs]

Venom=bad idea. Without any build, he's gonna be fucking stupid.

This will not be the only movie involving Venom. I heard rumours that Topher might have signed a 3 movie deal. Plenty of time to build the character.

Venom :yes: Fuck ya!!!!!!!. Topher Grace though?

I like Topher as Eddie Brock. He is taller and a bit more built than Tobey and I think they are making Vemon the "anti-spiderman", which he already is in the comics but.... for the movie it might be where the suit is what makes Venom bigger and Eddie Brock really doesn't have to be a huge guy. Just a normal guy like Peter Parker is. Could work out great.

[Loose Cannon]

ok cool. Thanks for the lesson guys :y:

I'm glad they got Doc Ock out of the way, cause I never really liked him at all. He's probably my least favorite major spidey villan.

The first comic I ever bought was Sandman vs Spiderman and I enjoyed Sandman a lot. I hope they do six movies because I really want to see the Carnage stuff. Those Maximum Carnage Issues are my fav comics I own. So many different characters in them.

[Joey Slugs]

I forgot which symbiote came from space in the series: Venom or Carnage?
Spiderman got the black symbiote costume during the Secret Wars. It then went to Eddie Brock (creating Venom). While Eddie escaped from jail, some of the symbiote was left behind. Eddie's cell mate Cletus Kasady "hooked up with it" to create Carnage.

[Joey Slugs]

With word going around that Spiderman 3 will be the final Spiderman movie for now from Raimi many were waiting to see who the villain would be

Sam knows better than to bring in Vemon for the last movie. From what I understand, he already has treatments for 3 more scripts.

6 movies in all.

[Joey Slugs]

any info you need on any of Peter Parker's enemies can be found here:

http://www.samruby.com/villtoc.htm

[Kane Knight]

Except for the 'Spider-Man not shooting webbing out of his wrists' bit. In Ultimate Spider-Man, he does have organic webshooters. :$

And of course Ultimate Spider-Man is so close to the original. Sorry, doesn't really count. Otherwise, the Green Goblin's Origin is all wrong. :D

Maybe he developed them later in the series (I bought the first two collections), but even in Ultimate I saw him using web shooters. Based on a formula of his father's, to boot.

[Kane Knight]

This will not be the only movie involving Venom. I heard rumours that Topher might have signed a 3 movie deal. Plenty of time to build the character.

With luck, he doesn't come in as Venom in this movie. We see a symbiote on Parker and Brock and maybe Venom at the end.

[Kane Knight]

Spiderman got the black symbiote costume during the Secret Wars. It then went to Eddie Brock (creating Venom). While Eddie escaped from jail, some of the symbiote was left behind. Eddie's cell mate Cletus Kasady "hooked up with it" to create Carnage.

Actually, the symbiote "gave birth." It didn't leave anything behind.

[Kane Knight]

Sam knows better than to bring in Vemon for the last movie. From what I understand, he already has treatments for 3 more scripts.

6 movies in all.

Treatments for scripts are no guarantee that there will be 6 movies.

[Joey Slugs]

Actually, the symbiote "gave birth." It didn't leave anything behind.

If you go back to the "Maximum Carnage" crossover (which I am right now) Cletus tells the story on how he became everyone's favorite red and black sex icon:

Cletus was sentenced to life in prison and was mated up with Eddie Brock. After the last Avengers/Spiderman team-up to defeat Venom, the symbiote sought Eddie out and when they came together, he broke out of prison. While breaking out he beat up Cletus, who was just about to kill Eddie anyways, leaving him cut up. Venom broke free and took off leaving bit of the costume on the jail wall.... the symbiote got into Cletus' bloodstream.... creating Carnage.

[Joey Slugs]

Treatments for scripts are no guarantee that there will be 6 movies.

Not the way Raimi works.

During interviews for Spiderman 2 he made it clear that he wanted to make this his way, and the way he saw it is a six part story.

[Kane Knight]

If you go back to the "Maximum Carnage" crossover (which I am right now) Cletus tells the story on how he became everyone's favorite red and black sex icon:

Cletus was sentenced to life in prison and was mated up with Eddie Brock. After the last Avengers/Spiderman team-up to defeat Venom, the symbiote sought Eddie out and when they came together, he broke out of prison. While breaking out he beat up Cletus, who was just about to kill Eddie anyways, leaving him cut up. Venom broke free and took off leaving bit of the costume on the jail wall.... the symbiote got into Cletus' bloodstream.... creating Carnage.

Yeah, Brock says otherwise. You lose.

[Kane Knight]

In fact, the miniseries where they had to deal with his other seeds would back up that.

[Kane Knight]

Not the way Raimi works.

During interviews for Spiderman 2 he made it clear that he wanted to make this his way, and the way he saw it is a six part story.

So if they pull it out from under him, he will still make the movies, without the liscenses or funding? :p

[Gonzo]

Maybe they are just going to begin the story for Venom in this one, never know.

[Joey Slugs]

So if they pull it out from under him, he will still make the movies, without the liscenses or funding? :p

:lol:

like they would pull the franchise from him.

[Joey Slugs]

Maybe they are just going to begin the story for Venom in this one, never know.

That's what I'm hoping.

[Jason Cage]

so i guess topher's gonna be bulking up big time.

[Kane Knight]

:lol:

like they would pull the franchise from him.

Dude, smart management of Marvel flims would be about as likely as the WWE booking like the fans want.

[SuperSlim]

VENOM! :D

[Drakul]

Topher Grace will be.........Venom
Venom! My fav Spiderman bad guy:D

[Danny Electric]

OK, I'm not too keen on the involvement of Venom but if it's played right over an amount of time then yes it could work.

[Danny Electric]

I'd also like to pint out that freezedriedmovies or whatever might be talking aload of crap.
Other sites are reporting it as uncomfirmed like www.comics2film.com , so take the news of the villains with a pinch of salt.

[Joey Slugs]

I'd also like to pint out that freezedriedmovies or whatever might be talking aload of crap.
Other sites are reporting it as uncomfirmed like www.comics2film.com (http://www.comics2film.com) , so take the news of the villains with a pinch of salt.

still nothing on aicn.com

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, this all seemed a bit questionable. But what the Hell? Slow news day.

Unless you open 17 magazine.

[road doggy dogg]

The whole "ruining Venom by rushing him in" bit aside... Topher is like the last person on Earth I would script as Eddie Brock.

[Boondock Saint]

Yeah I'm not feeling the Topher as Venom casting.

Actually I'm having a hard time believing any of this until it comes from a more trustworthy source. I've never even heard of Freeze Dried Movies.

3 major villains in 1 movie? Talk about overkill. No way can it be done well enough in a reasonable running time. Unless they use Sandman stupidly and have him knocked off early in the beginning, pre-opening credits sequence type of thing. But that would suck.

Cramming all these villains in makes this franchise start to smell like the old Batman franchise, and we all know how great those were. :roll: I cringe at the thought of Sandman saying "You're not sending ME to the SANDBOX!" :nono:

Let's see if any of this true or not first though...

[mitchables]

And of course Ultimate Spider-Man is so close to the original. Sorry, doesn't really count. Otherwise, the Green Goblin's Origin is all wrong. :D

Maybe he developed them later in the series (I bought the first two collections), but even in Ultimate I saw him using web shooters. Based on a formula of his father's, to boot.

Hey, I never said it was a good idea. :$ :D

[mitchables]

Basically, the only way this Venom thing can work is if they do it like they should do the Harvey Dent/Two Face character in the next two Batman films.

Venom's origins are complex enough to warrant a good build up. Spidey needs to get the black suit in this film and reject it after he realises what it is, which plants the seeds of hate in the symbiote. They also need to build up the Eddie/Peter rivalry, so when the two forces that absolutely loathe both Peter and Spider-Man meet up and become one (one or two movies down the line), it is a big impact.

Another thing that is important (to me) with Venom is that they don't portray him as a villain, but as an anti-hero. :( :(

[Disturbed316]

OK, I'm not too keen on the involvement of Venom but if it's played right over an amount of time then yes it could work.

[Nowhere Man]

Maybe it's just me, but I can't see this guy:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b73/nowhereman716/70show.jpg

being all that convincing as this guy:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b73/nowhereman716/venom.jpg

[Kane Knight]

The whole "ruining Venom by rushing him in" bit aside... Topher is like the last person on Earth I would script as Eddie Brock.


I can think of worse people.

Paul Reubens.

Michael Jackson (though he does look like an alien)

Zack Gowen (Who? I hear you all utter in unison).

Okay, so I can only think of three people worse. So sue me.

[Destor]

:lol:
(and no, not at KK)

[Kane Knight]

Basically, the only way this Venom thing can work is if they do it like they should do the Harvey Dent/Two Face character in the next two Batman films.

Venom's origins are complex enough to warrant a good build up. Spidey needs to get the black suit in this film and reject it after he realises what it is, which plants the seeds of hate in the symbiote. They also need to build up the Eddie/Peter rivalry, so when the two forces that absolutely loathe both Peter and Spider-Man meet up and become one (one or two movies down the line), it is a big impact.

Another thing that is important (to me) with Venom is that they don't portray him as a villain, but as an anti-hero. :( :(

The good thing is, he doesn't even need the black suit long before he turns on it. I know he SHOULD, but in the timeframe of a movie, I think we'll have to see less of it. But it's not like it can't be done quicker.

The last movie almost looked like they were building to John Jameson as Manwolf or whatever they called him. That should work.

[Kane Knight]

Basically, the only way this Venom thing can work is if they do it like they should do the Harvey Dent/Two Face character in the next two Batman films.

Venom's origins are complex enough to warrant a good build up. Spidey needs to get the black suit in this film and reject it after he realises what it is, which plants the seeds of hate in the symbiote. They also need to build up the Eddie/Peter rivalry, so when the two forces that absolutely loathe both Peter and Spider-Man meet up and become one (one or two movies down the line), it is a big impact.

Another thing that is important (to me) with Venom is that they don't portray him as a villain, but as an anti-hero. :( :(

The good thing is, he doesn't even need the black suit long before he turns on it. I know he SHOULD, but in the timeframe of a movie, I think we'll have to see less of it. But it's not like it can't be done quicker.

The last movie almost looked like they were building to John Jameson as Manwolf or whatever they called him. That should work.

[mitchables]

Yeah, plus they've got Dr. Connors/The Lizard up their sleeve. So they have the villains to at least span out the movie franchise until Venom is suitably built up. Sam Raimi isn't stupid, he wouldn't have agreed to do Venom unless he could do him right.

Though you are right about the suit. :y:

[Blue Demon]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/

here's the link...while it does have Topher Grace isted, his character is not

[YOUR Hero]

You complain Topher Grace doesn't suit a character? Have you not looked at Toby McGuire? He's worked out close to perfect.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, plus they've got Dr. Connors/The Lizard up their sleeve. So they have the villains to at least span out the movie franchise until Venom is suitably built up. Sam Raimi isn't stupid, he wouldn't have agreed to do Venom unless he could do him right.

Though you are right about the suit. :y:

Fortunately, Raimi has built up a world where this shit is still WEIRD. I don't think Spider-Man questioned his costume because he had been pulled from New York to a planet forged out of other planets, to fight in a battle of good and evil as decided by a cosmic being.

...And that was before breakfast. I probably wouldn't be too creeped out by a costume that changed forms either.

In this Spider-Man, even super-science is weird. Octavius was brilliant, and tops in his field. Osbourne didn't pull this stuff out of his ass, he was working on govt contracts for military tech (and it's kind of campy, but not too far out of military proposals...They were experimenting with jet packs as early as the 40s). Spider-Man didn't build web shooters and cheap webbing that was super-strong. The only super-villains were HUGE and had major funding. Octavius was funded by Harry Osbourne, and Norman was building for the government as part of a large corporation.

I think an alien symbiote being dropped on Parker would turn creepy fast.

So far I've liked most of the changes, except how rushed the love story was.

[Kane Knight]

You complain Topher Grace doesn't suit a character? Have you not looked at Toby McGuire? He's worked out close to perfect.

The guy who played him in the first movie fits the "before" pic more or less.

Depends on what they're doing with him, but Topher looks more like he should be Carnage. :D

[YOUR Hero]

In the end, I hope they do this right. Like many of you, I feel 3 is a lot of villians for one movie.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

The guy who played him in the first movie fits the "before" pic more or less.

Depends on what they're doing with him, but Topher looks more like he should be Carnage. :D

Fuck that shit, Jake Gillenhal (SP?) For Carnage all the way. In fact, that was one of the original rumors back when he was with Dunst.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Shoulda got Micky Rourke to play Venom.

[Destor]

The guy who played him in the first movie fits the "before" pic more or less.

Depends on what they're doing with him, but Topher looks more like he should be Carnage. :D
Who played Eddie Brock in the first movie? I don't remember this, I do remember a guy playing Flash Thomson (bully in school) I only remember them mentioning Eddie Brock.

[Savio]

Venom=bad idea. Without any build, he's gonna be fucking stupid.

[Kane Knight]

Fuck that shit, Jake Gillenhal (SP?) For Carnage all the way. In fact, that was one of the original rumors back when he was with Dunst.

Errr...Joke? Does the guy even REMOTELY strike you as Carnage?

[Kane Knight]

In the end, I hope they do this right. Like many of you, I feel 3 is a lot of villians for one movie.

3 Villains could be cool, provided they don't occupy all his time. Have him like kick Andman's ass early on or some shit.

[Kane Knight]

Who played Eddie Brock in the first movie? I don't remember this, I do remember a guy playing Flash Thomson (bully in school) I only remember them mentioning Eddie Brock.

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0263472/

Brock was essentially a cameo part, but he was there. When people were talking about Venom being in SM2, I was thinking they could extend Brock's role in this one, and work up to him in 3.

[Destor]

Thanks, had no clue. Cool though.

[Just John]

VENOM

[CharismaInjection]

Perhaps Venom will be the main villain, and the other two are like:

Harry's becoming more and more evil, but you never see him as Hobgoblin till the very end where he puts on the suit and it's ...To Be Continued...

And Sandman is just scientist that will turn into Sandman, like Doc Conners in S2

[Just John]

I still havent seen spiderman 2 I was at the odeon and there was a technichal fault so I couldnt see the rest..

[Kane Knight]

Perhaps Venom will be the main villain, and the other two are like:

Harry's becoming more and more evil, but you never see him as Hobgoblin till the very end where he puts on the suit and it's ...To Be Continued...

And Sandman is just scientist that will turn into Sandman, like Doc Conners in S2

Venom won't be the title villain.

They're playing the tension between Parker and Harry so heavily I doubt we're going to wait another "episode" to see this develop. Even if he's not the Goblin, he will be HEAVILY involved. Most likely.

Sandman as a villain would work, especially since he'll be the first villain that can be "killed" without being killed.

[Fignuts]

Sandman- Awesome. Can't wait.

Hobgoblin- Good. I can understand using the hobgoblin instead of a second green goblin. It may seem repetitive to movie goers if there was a second green goblin.

Venom- Gay. Gay, gay, gay, gay gay. Unless they are only laying the groundwork for a future movie, this will be gay. But I don't think they are considering it was announced that grace will be playing Venom, and not Eddie Brock.

[YOUR Hero]

http://www.zeuscomics.com/images/covers/venom-vs-carnage-1.jpg

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[Kane Knight]

http://www.zeuscomics.com/images/covers/venom-vs-carnage-1.jpg



I know there's supposed to be an image here, but it doesn't show.

[Savio]

Whats sandmans backstory and his weakness?

[Danny Electric]

Whenever someone sings that song , 'Oh Mr Sandman...'

[Kane Knight]

Whats sandmans backstory and his weakness?

His weaknesses include water and being turned into glass.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Ed Norton would be a sweet Carnage I think

[Jason Cage]

His weaknesses include water and being turned into glass.

i thought it was wind :shifty:

[mitchables]

Whats sandmans backstory and his weakness?

Sandman was a criminal on the run from the law. He was hiding out on a remote beach, unaware that the Government were running atomic tests on it. He was affected by one of the atomic blasts, and his molecules fused with those of the sand on the beach, thus making him Sandman. I'm pretty sure he can harden himself to the qualities of diamonds, and he can 'disperse' himself. Fun times.

[Kane Knight]

I don't remember diamonds, but he can do a solid block of concrete-level shit.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Ed Norton would be a sweet Carnage I think


Oh shit yes.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Errr...Joke? Does the guy even REMOTELY strike you as Carnage?

He could do it. Dye his hair, curl it a bit, and let him act like a lunatic. If they want to cast Tobey as Spiderman, and Topher as Venom, Jake would work for Carnage... They're all about the same build, same style, and Jake looks the craziest. Unfortunately, I can't find a good picture of Cassidy without the Carnage symbiote online.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Or maybe Stephen Dorff. I think he could pull it off.

[Dave Youell]

You know, they may not actually have Venom himself in the story as a whole, they could just show brock in the Bugle all the time and set the wheels in motion for the next one (Rami has said he'd like to do 6 right?) So at the end of the 3rd one after Sandman and Goblin are dead, Brock could find the suit and boo yah!

[mitchables]

I don't remember diamonds, but he can do a solid block of concrete-level shit.

You're probably right :$

[John la Rock]

Isn't Venom supposed to be a muscle head? not a computer nerd?

the muscle guy from CSI would be a perfect Eddie Brock I dunno

[Destor]

Venom shoudl be HUGE! :naughty:

[Kane Knight]

He could do it. Dye his hair, curl it a bit, and let him act like a lunatic. If they want to cast Tobey as Spiderman, and Topher as Venom, Jake would work for Carnage... They're all about the same build, same style, and Jake looks the craziest. Unfortunately, I can't find a good picture of Cassidy without the Carnage symbiote online.

Jesus Christ, you TRY to be thick, don't you?

I was telling you my pick was a joke. :|

[Kane Knight]

Isn't Venom supposed to be a muscle head? not a computer nerd?

the muscle guy from CSI would be a perfect Eddie Brock I dunno

Brock wasn't a monster when he was first merged with the suit. The stronger he gets, though, the stronger the suit makes him. However, it bulked him up even when he had just been fired.

The thing is, they don't need a bulky guy to play Brock unless they CHOOSE to go that way. What they could do is make him scrawny and bulked up as Venom, or they could go with a bigger Brock.

[Savio]

Get Brock Lesnar.

[Kane Knight]

He's got the build.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Jesus Christ, you TRY to be thick, don't you?

I was telling you my pick was a joke. :|


Errr, I thought you were asking me if I was joking ;)

Anywho, cut me some slack, I don't sleep anymore, so I'm no longer coherent.

[BlackDawn2024]

Venom's overrated. There are much better villains in Spider-Man's rogues gallery....

.....like Arcade! :shifty:

[UmbrellaCorporation]

Get Brock Lesnar.


It's a wellknown fact that Venom hates the internet. :shifty:

[Fox]

Lesnar as Venom would be SWEEEEET. After that he wouldn't need to come groveling back to Vince McMahon, he could just do the next two SM movies and be set for life.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Thomas Hayden Church, ladies and gentlemen:

http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/images/tchurch.jpg

[Kane Knight]

Looks like Sandman.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Is it me or does his right arm look about twice the size of his left :$

[Kane Knight]

It's not just you. I stared at that picture for like a minute before I figured out what was wrong.

[Joey Slugs]

topher grace will be electro. book it.

sam raimi has talked over and over again how much he loves the sinister six as spider-man's original villians.

[Nowhere Man]

Hmmmm.... maybe they could use Venom's origin from the Ultimate Spider-Man series. It's not as cool as the original, but it'd be a lot easier to cram into one movie.

[John la Rock]

should be interesting. hopefully the just use Eddie Brock as build-up for Venom in Spidey 4

[Boondock Saint]

Looks like Sandman.

[Nark Order]

Topher Grace cast as Venom.... Wasn't Venom a gigantic fucking freak of a man?

[Kane Knight]

topher grace will be electro. book it.

sam raimi has talked over and over again how much he loves the sinister six as spider-man's original villians.

Which would be much better than the other shit they could pull.

[Kane Knight]

Hmmmm.... maybe they could use Venom's origin from the Ultimate Spider-Man series. It's not as cool as the original, but it'd be a lot easier to cram into one movie.

My only real problem with that is that Ultimate Venom sucks.

"We were trying to cure cancer by building a suit that..."

they've already established John Jameson, astronaut and hearthrob, so they could as easily work with the 90s Cartoon version, so ease of use doesn't make much of a diff. Besides, if Raimi is worth even a tenth the stock people put in him, he won't do Venom in one movie.

[Kane Knight]

Topher Grace cast as Venom.... Wasn't Venom a gigantic fucking freak of a man?

Yeah and no.

Brock didn't really become a huge beefcake until Brock found out that the stronger he was, the more the symbiote could enhance his strength. Eddie went from "shmuck on a newspaper" to "Olympic class strength" in a short period of time. The symbiote also makes him look bigger to an extent.

The guy playing Brock doesn't have to be that big, especially if Venom is CGI'd heavily. They could as easily pull a Lou Ferigno thing, like the original Hulk series. When you're that big, who cares if you look like the punk who plays sissy lil banner?

[Nark Order]

I guess it should be ok. I like Topher Grace as an actor so I'm sure it'll turn out alright.

[Nark Order]

It will be cool to see him all decked out in special effects anyways...

[Fignuts]

Good god.

Again with Carnage?

I will tell you this. Carnage has about a 5% chance of being in this franchise. He is a lame character, with absolutely no depth whatsoever. Venom was great, and had a lot of different layers to his character, albeit being overexposed. Carnage is just a crazy guy with venom's powers, and some unoriginal new ones mixed in. He is a product of shitty unoriginal 90's writing, and I was overjoyed when he was recently killed off(for now).

I understand why a lot of people like him. Yes, he looks cool, but so what?

Hey let's put Chakaras in the next Batman Movie? Don't know who he is? Who Cares, he looks cool!

[Kane Knight]

Good god.

Again with Carnage?

I will tell you this. Carnage has about a 5% chance of being in this franchise. He is a lame character, with absolutely no depth whatsoever. Venom was great, and had a lot of different layers to his character, albeit being overexposed. Carnage is just a crazy guy with venom's powers, and some unoriginal new ones mixed in. He is a product of shitty unoriginal 90's writing, and I was overjoyed when he was recently killed off(for now).

I understand why a lot of people like him. Yes, he looks cool, but so what?

Hey let's put Chakaras in the next Batman Movie? Don't know who he is? Who Cares, he looks cool!

Chill.

Just because he lacks depth doesn't mean he won't show up. The guy was a hugely popular character who has invaded almost every variant of Spider-Man.

I'm not syaing he should be in, just that that's piss poor reasoning to say he won't appear.

[Fignuts]

His similarities to Venom are too great, for them to use him. While a second green goblin story would work due to the harry/peter relationship, Carnage wouldn't have that intense backstory to save him. His only connection to any of the characters, is that he was eddie brock's cell mate. You can get away with these kind of rehashes in comics(as evidenced by all the carnage fans on TPWW) but in films it wouldn't work. The critics would tear it apart. And don't forget how much money they spend on these films. That's a factor when choosing a villian. Do you think they are going to choose a less interesting version of venom, just because he was popular in one of the lowest times in comics history?

[Jinx Chaos]

Venom, awesome. I think that's bad casting and I think he deserves his own movie instead of being one of 3, but it's Venom, and I'm happy.
Same here.

[Kane Knight]

His similarities to Venom are too great, for them to use him. While a second green goblin story would work due to the harry/peter relationship, Carnage wouldn't have that intense backstory to save him. His only connection to any of the characters, is that he was eddie brock's cell mate. You can get away with these kind of rehashes in comics(as evidenced by all the carnage fans on TPWW) but in films it wouldn't work. The critics would tear it apart. And don't forget how much money they spend on these films. That's a factor when choosing a villian. Do you think they are going to choose a less interesting version of venom, just because he was popular in one of the lowest times in comics history?

But he's still popular. Critics don't do much criticising these days. They're encouraged to get people to watch the movies. Crooked if you ask me, but whatever. Carnage is still big with retarded virginss aged 5-35, and they're the ones most inclined to see a comic book movie anyway.

I guess I'm just not getting the artfag approach to a popcorn flick based on a 4-color superhero.

[Fignuts]

Actually most people hate Carnage, nowadays. Don't know why so many people on TPWW like him. Seems like every one of his fans gathered here.

[Funky Fly]

Carnage doesn't translate into a movie villain, IMO. Like I could see him being defeated in the opening of the movie or a passing reference to something that happened between movies, but not being the main focus of a particular movie.

[Kane Knight]

Actually most people hate Carnage, nowadays. Don't know why so many people on TPWW like him. Seems like every one of his fans gathered here.

If you want to keep believing that, go ahead.

[BlackDawn2024]

The minute Carnage shows up in these films is the minute they jump the proverbial shark.

Honestly, I'd also rather not see Venom. Give me Mysterio, Scorpion, Sandman(it's about time!), The Lizard or Kraven any day of the week.

[Funky Fly]

I wanna see some jobber villains get their asses handed to them either in a montage or in scen transitions. Pate Pot Pete (AKA The Trapster), The Spot (who should technically be a bad ass) or someone like that.

[John la Rock]

The minute Carnage shows up in these films is the minute they jump the proverbial shark.

Honestly, I'd also rather not see Venom. Give me Mysterio, Scorpion, Sandman(it's about time!), The Lizard or Kraven any day of the week.

you're probably the only one

[Kane Knight]

I wanna see some jobber villains get their asses handed to them either in a montage or in scen transitions. Pate Pot Pete (AKA The Trapster), The Spot (who should technically be a bad ass) or someone like that.

Whizzer, the Ringer...:D

[Kane Knight]

Or maybe the prowler (I dug the guy anyway)

[Funky Fly]

The Prowler = ratings. :mad:

[Kane Knight]

He was one of the support characters I liked. Like Puma or Solo.

[BlackDawn2024]

you're probably the only one

I know I'm the only one who doesn't wanna see Venom. But I just think there are better villains to bring in.

[YOUR Hero]

They better, at some point, have Rhino, OMG.

[BlackDawn2024]

They better, at some point, have Rhino, OMG.

Rhino. There you go. I'd much rather see Rhino than Venom.

[Bo]

What about some Doppleganger? I know hes is not one of the real big villians but I have always liked him.

[Kane Knight]

I'd like to see a series of Spider-Slayers. Anyone remember Spencer and Allistaire Smythe?

If you want to build the second Goblin up, make Harry the guy who hires Spencer. When he fails (And probably dies), Harry goes a little further off the deep end.

[My Final Heaven]

My thoughts:

If they're doing to include Carnage, there's only one person that I think would be absolutely perfect: Brad Dourif. He's a character actor who nobody would recognize if they saw him on the street, but the moment he opened he opened his mouth you would be like "ohhh yeeeeaaah, HIM." See, he's the voice of Chucky in the Child's Play movies, so he's used to portraying psychopaths lol. He also looks moderately like Cletus Kasady, Carnage's alter ego:
<img src="http://www.drstrange.nl/marvelmagic/cards/Cletus%20Kasady.jpg" height=315 width=250> <img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/0/03/BradDourifProfilePic.jpg" height=315 width=250>

He's 50+ years old, so all they would have to do is have Dourif portray Kasady, then have a CG'ed up stuntman for the part of Carnage with Dourif's voice.

I dunno how well it would work, But that's who I've always thought he should play Carnage if they ever made a Spiderman movie with him in it :D.

[Funky Fly]

If Rhino's in it, he should be played by TNA's Rhino. :rofl:

Thank you, I'm here all week.

[UmbrellaCorporation]

My thoughts:

If they're doing to include Carnage, there's only one person that I think would be absolutely perfect: Brad Dourif. He's a character actor who nobody would recognize if they saw him on the street, but the moment he opened he opened his mouth you would be like "ohhh yeeeeaaah, HIM." See, he's the voice of Chucky in the Child's Play movies, so he's used to portraying psychopaths lol. He also looks moderately like Cletus Kasady, Carnage's alter ego:
<img src="http://www.drstrange.nl/marvelmagic/cards/Cletus%20Kasady.jpg" height=315 width=250> <img src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/0/03/BradDourifProfilePic.jpg" height=315 width=250>

He's 50+ years old, so all they would have to do is have Dourif portray Kasady, then have a CG'ed up stuntman for the part of Carnage with Dourif's voice.

I dunno how well it would work, But that's who I've always thought he should play Carnage if they ever made a Spiderman movie with him in it :D.


I don't think that's too terrible of an idea, actually.

I still say Ed Norton would make an amazing Carnage too. :D

[Kane Knight]

If Rhino's in it, he should be played by TNA's Rhino. :rofl:

Thank you, I'm here all week.

Only if we can get Heyman to go "GORE! GORE! GORE!"

[Funky Fly]

Better yet, Stan Lee.

"GORE! GORE! GORE! EXCELSIOR!