Nintendo Revolution controller

[DS]

Here you go:

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/hardware/previews/revcon/revcon_screen002.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/hardware/previews/revcon/revcon_screen003.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/hardware/previews/revcon/revcon_screen004.jpg

It has tilt technology which allows you to move it around and controller the stuff on screen.


Not going to post the whole article because it's quite lengthy but here is the link to it.
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-23521-2567-x-x-x&tag=gs_hp_flashtop_bg

I think it looks ridiculous, personally. I haven't held one so I can't judge fully but I can't find that being comfortable for long game play.

[Loose Cannon]

this is a fucking joke right?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Between this and the gameboy micro I'm really starting to think Nintendo wants to go bankrupt.

[el fregadero]

I like the look. It gives you more freedom when playing the games. You can hold the movement part however close to the buttons as you wish. This could be interesting, too bad I don't plan on buying a Revolution.

[Loose Cannon]

that is possibly the gayest technological device I've ever seen in my entire life.

[Bad Company]

hw fucking stupid.

[DS]

I like the look. It gives you more freedom when playing the games. You can hold the movement part however close to the buttons as you wish. This could be interesting, too bad I don't plan on buying a Revolution.
Come on. The analog stick is a peripheral which will probably mean it's needed to be bought seperate. So if you're going to buy that just so you can wiggle your hands together while pointing at sensors you have to position around your television set, then by all means.

[Shadow]

that is possibly the gayest technological device I've ever seen in my entire life.

I'm with you.

[el fregadero]

Come on. The analog stick is a peripheral which will probably mean it's needed to be bought seperate. So if you're going to buy that just so you can wiggle your hands together while pointing at sensors you have to position around your television set, then by all means.
I guess you had your response ready before you read my last sentence.

[FearedSanctity]

That's.....pretty fucking bad. Might be good, but for now, no

I fucking lose PS2 and GC controls easily, that thing would disappear in a week

[Gouda]

Dammit. Boomerangs and remote controls. Both of which were made to be THROWN.

There's gonna be a lot of broken controllers.

[Funky Fly]

Wow, definitely getting the PS3, THEN the Revolution. That is ridiculous.

[Drakul]

Are you sure its not just a mock-up like IGN did a few weeks back?

[Kane Knight]

that is possibly the gayest technological device I've ever seen in my entire life.

[Kane Knight]

I don't buy it. Especially after all the talk of backwards compatability.

[DS]

It was shown at the Tokyo Game Show by Shigeru Miyamoto and Nintendo reps and that's where they were going to release the first info on the revolution. This is just the first to come from it.

[Drakul]

Would you rather have the one in the first post or this?
http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/nintendo-ds/nintendo-revolution.jpg

[Silent]

I hope not. That is going to suck for old games that don't use the analog stick.. have to use two hands on the remote control. :(

[Joey Slugs]

kiss nintendo goodbye. first they lost the final fantasy franchise (FF7 would of been for the dolphin cd system and would of sent them over the top... but "cart based games are still the future") and now this bullshit.

hello PS3.

[mitch_h]

Wow... terrible. I don't know it just... doesn't look "fun". Like i've never thought to myself "wow I would really like to pay video games with my television converter.

[road doggy dogg]

I've been a longtime Nintendo supporter, but if this is really Revolution's controller...

Might just have to get a 360 instead. =\

[Joey Slugs]

you know, i just had a thought......

isn't the system supposed to be black?

which means the second picture in this thread makes more sense.

[Jason Cage]

looks liek someone shit in their cereal

[road doggy dogg]

If that 2nd pic is anywhere near true, I will be hawt in the pants

[Drakul]

Wow YTMND is already over flowing with YTMNDs about the controllers.

[Kapoutman]

I just don't know what to think. When reading the article, it looks interesting, and I've learned not to doubt Miyamoto... But it does look gay/weird/odd and will turna lot of people off. I'll try before I buy this time.

[DS]

For those of you still having doubts about it being the actual controller...

http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK

[Jason Cage]

I MENA SERIOUSLY IT LOOKS LIEK A FRIDGE REMOTE FOR ICE CUBES.

howz it suppsoed to work anyway, you've always needed easy access to all the buttons. WTF. This is the most retarded shit ever

[Jason Cage]

For those of you still having doubts about it being the actual controller...

http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=TfyOgnUc7zB-ZlzdQvMhKJOgS5LsR2nK

"The feeling is so natural and real, as soon as players use the controller, their minds will spin with the possibilities of how this will change gaming as we know it today,” explains Satoru Iwata, Nintendo president. “This is an extremely exciting innovation – one that will thrill current players and entice new ones.”

:wtf: This guy's under the influence of colombian cocaine

[Skippord]

"The feeling is so natural and real, as soon as players use the controller, their minds will spin with the possibilities of how this will change gaming as we know it today,” explains Satoru Iwata, Nintendo president. “This is an extremely exciting innovation – one that will thrill current players and entice new ones.”

:wtf: This guy's under the influence of colombian cocaine

or it could be

Him being a dumbass

[Boomer]

Who gives a shit if it has tilt technology. Its a DVD remote.

[Funky Fly]

http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles/eXxcwxRxsDQEncnocTs8hCfH_bZD_N5o.jpg

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Fucking stupid :|

Thanks Nintendo.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Hot shit.







No really; steaming, stinking, hot shit.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651275p1.html

IGN article. They make some good points about the upside but really, who the fuck is going to spend time and money redeveloping games to be used with *that* or even buliding a seperate controller add-on when they can basically produce one set of code, tweak it slightly, and have it go out on both PS3 and 360?

[Scarface]

Someone has been doing some class A drugs down at Nintendo. Seriously what the fuck.

[Xero]

You know, I've been a Nintendo fan(boy) for my entire life. I remember playing the Mario games for hours on end. I didn't buy a PSX for years because I only loved Nintendo. But for fuck's sake, what in the fucking hell are they thinking!? I'm actually going to have to TRY this before I buy it, which is actually rare for me, as I usually get shit at launch.

I'm afraid that no matter how well this thing works, it's going to bomb because it sounds and looks like the most ridiculous idea for a game controller ever. This may actually kill Nintendo.

I may actually reconsider and get an Xbox 360 instead of the Revolution.

[Jonster]

I like it.

[G]

I'm going against all of you (besides Jonster) by saying that this will be the most revolutionary thing in Video Game history. They don't call it the Nintendo Revolution for nothing. :mad:

I obviously haven't taken my medicine.

[Disturbed316]

Thats.....interesting.

[Jonster]

I'm going against all of you by saying that this will be the most revolutionary thing in Video Game history. They don't call it the Nintendo Revolution for nothing. :mad:

I obviously haven't taken my medicine.

*cough*

[G]

You should really get that cough checked out.

[Jonster]

Maybe.

[packt up]

lol feels like a joke but seriously what are they thinking. If your going to innovate at least innovate forwards

[Jonster]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60917

They're releasing a standard controller as well.

[G]

"Can even be used in domino rally simulators"



LOL

[Buzzkill]

I think it'll be pretty awesome, finally something different .

[Jonster]

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3353/revsteeringwheel3fl.jpg

Someone on another forum knocked this up, and has already claimed copyright :lol:
Is a genius idea.

[G]

I'm telling you, this will revolutionize gaming as we know it. Nintendo will reclaim their top spot in the gaming industry.

[Gerard]

Shows a lot of balls by nintendo going in this direction. Lets face it microsoft are trying to make their xbox 360 into a friggin multimedia pc whoring features on it that have been in pc gaming for years now, sony have their batarang controller and what both ms and sony have in common is their consoles are just more powerful so more polygons on the screen and thats it. If it was left to these 2 companies games would just look better every few years and that would be it.

Nintendo were the first to have a gamepad, first to have analogue controls and first to have a rumble feature. And of course ms and sony copy them because when it comes to innovating new stuff theyre both practucally clueless. Interacting with games the way this controller allows would make for some amazing gaming. People are just whining because its not what they expected, bottom line is NOONE here has tried the fucking thing yet, and beacuse its different its automatically gonna suck. :roll:

And the funny thing is nintendo has now grabbed all the attention with this new design, it is NOT something you can judge based on friggin pictures, untill you've tried it you've NO idea wtf its like because its never been done before.

And for the people that are obviously afriand of change and innovation, theres ports for plugging in gamecube controllers here.

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/522/522559/img_2818794.html

[Kane Knight]

kiss nintendo goodbye. first they lost the final fantasy franchise (FF7 would of been for the dolphin cd system and would of sent them over the top... but "cart based games are still the future") and now this bullshit.

hello PS3.

It wasn't so much that they felt they were the future, and more that they were easier to use and harder to pirate. Then the GCN, with its smaller discs and backwards rotation (Harder to pirate).

Their attempts at piracy protection have been some of the worst moves in gaming. Right up there with "Gamers don't want online" and "We don't need to worry about Microsoft."

[Kane Knight]

People are just whining because its not what they expected, bottom line is NOONE here has tried the fucking thing yet, and beacuse its different its automatically gonna suck. :roll:

And you're automatically praising it because it will be amazing. You've tried it, then?

And yes, every move the Nintendo folks have done has been brilliant. Their decision not to adopt online, which in turn cost them games. Their decision to fight piracy through carts then mini discs. The new Gameboy Micro. A controller that does preclude the majority of multi-platform games. Oh look. If we want to USE the backwards compatability, we have to buy a different controller. Hope that's the ONLY other shoe to drop. The amazing support they've given the DS.

But yeah. It's just because it's different.

[SuperSlim]

man alive it looks like a freakin remote control.

the second one looks better but man I dunno.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I'm telling you, this will revolutionize gaming as we know it. Nintendo will reclaim their top spot in the gaming industry.

There's revolutionising, and then there's going so far out of your way to stand out/be different that you end up with something that is worse than you already have.

Remains to be seen which this will be.

[G]

Just wait. This will be the greatest thing since sliced bread.


I'M CALLING IT AS OF 09/16/2005

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Maybe by the time it comes out someone will have invented a message board where you can enter messages by waving your fingers around in a typing motion, and TPWW will have been upgraded and your prediction will be lost.

What a shame that would be :(

[Kane Knight]

man alive it looks like a freakin remote control.

the second one looks better but man I dunno.

Because it IS a remote control.

Nintendo didn't do this to be revolutionary, they did it to be "cheap." Cost effectiveness is one of their big things, so that they don't get killed taking a hit on each system sold. Once they add a tilt censor, "ZOMG! ITS REVOLUTIONARY!"

[Kane Knight]

Maybe by the time it comes out someone will have invented a message board where you can enter messages by waving your fingers around in a typing motion, and TPWW will have been upgraded and your prediction will be lost.

What a shame that would be :(

Now say I'm jerking off with one hand and typing with the other. Will this affect what shows up on the screen?

[G]

Maybe by the time it comes out someone will have invented a message board where you can enter messages by waving your fingers around in a typing motion, and TPWW will have been upgraded and your prediction will be lost.

What a shame that would be :(


We will see. ;)

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I doubt it would really stand out all that much right here at TPWW.

[Ninti the Mad]

Where are all the buttons?

And how would one reach them.

[Fignuts]

You have to have stretchy thumbs, like Mr. Fantastic.

[Ninti the Mad]

It seems that you would have to hold the controller two-handed cock style.

With that much effort, I would rather implant buttons and a directional pad on my cock.

[DS]

The buttons are on the bottom and back. A and B and 2 big buttons. You move it around to controller the motion after you set up sensors around the TV. So basically, the people who jerk the controller around when they get into the game are going to have a huge advantage over the people who are calm and steady.

I loved how they said it's perfect for FPS games when we all know that Nintendo's library is based mostly on FPS.

[G]

Yea you caught that too.

[Kalyx triaD]

Oh my God... Oh my red God... Nintendo just tied bricks to their feet and hopped in a river. They are single handidly destroying their place in the console war, obviously yearning for a spot under Game Boy Advance.

But...

I'll be damned if it wasn't really 'revolutionary'. It'll surely give an incredibly unique play experience to the 15 people who buy it. (I am however, still waiting for Nintendo to deny this photos). It's sexy, sleek, NEW; but not what I'm look for in terms of casual gaming. Maybe it'll play kick-ass Zelda's and Mario's, but conventional gamers just got the boot from the big N.

I'm reminded of a brilliant scientist named Roy Rife (look him up). He claimed to have cured cancer with little more than electrical wave frequencies. The "Rife Ray" was accepted by the science/medical world because his theories and practices were unorthodox to the powers that be. He was financially and personally attacked by 'civil' men for thinking far beyond the box. He threatented the very stable of science medicine; ofcourse he'd make enemies!

I guess what I'm saying is we need those whack unconventional ideas, even if it's from a company that we'd expect to stay traditional. But for Nintendo, I suppose pushing the boundries for orthodox mind sets is traditional.

Still not gonna buy the weird thing until I'm made to believe.

[DS]

Not to mention how hard it will be to get a headshot when you're aiming with the controller.

[Jason Cage]

Kalyx triaD, the pics are on the front page of ign.com; there's like the full coverage there. So it's pretty much official.

[Gerard]

And you're automatically praising it because it will be amazing. You've tried it, then?



Im praising it because they have the balls to try something different, as i said in my first post if it were left up to sony and ms we'd have nothing but updated graphics every few years and practically nothing else new in terms of how the games are played. Im waiting to see how it turns out, but from what ive read at least it does seem to be a good idea.

The controller comes with a shell device which you cna encase it in to make it more like a regular controller, then you have the option of gamecube controllers as well. For all we know the system will come with a gamecube controller packed as well, nothings been announced on what the retail package will include.

[DS]

Not to mention the Nintendo.com link.

[Kalyx triaD]

Kalyx triaD, the pics are on the front page of ign.com; there's like the full coverage there. So it's pretty much official.

"Denial ain't just a river."

Hey; maybe it'll be cool. But I can't shake the feeling that Nintendo's doing this for shock value. I hope they know what they're doing, for my sake.

[Jason Cage]

They have no idea what the fuck they're doing. All you gotta do is look at the pictures and then compare them to old remotes. Now, when the joystick is being used by one hand, the other holds the remote...and it's pretty fuckin ridiculous cause since the inauguration of time, you've always needed access to several buttons while playing with the joystick...and making the remote vertical is even worse. i mean how in the shit are you suppsoed to reach the buttons when youre doing something fast. Say for instance, when you jump and kick in mid-air. You need easy access to two buttons to do that...and this remote does not give you that.

It just won't work. Stupidest fuckin creation ever.

[G]

Just wait until you try it before you shit all over it. Just because it doesn't look like a regular controller, doesn't mean it'll suck. Fuck. :mad:

[Kalyx triaD]

The FPS contributions will be legendary. I don't see fighters doing as well. Racing games will be natural. WWE Day of Reckoning 3 will be VERY interesting.

[Kane Knight]

The buttons are on the bottom and back. A and B and 2 big buttons. You move it around to controller the motion after you set up sensors around the TV. So basically, the people who jerk the controller around when they get into the game are going to have a huge advantage over the people who are calm and steady.

I loved how they said it's perfect for FPS games when we all know that Nintendo's library is based mostly on FPS.

They say that about the DS too. Unfortunately, for FPS fans, there's like one out at 2 planned or summat.

[Kane Knight]

The FPS contributions will be legendary. I don't see fighters doing as well. Racing games will be natural. WWE Day of Reckoning 3 will be VERY interesting.

Switching from the analogue stick to the A+B was bad enough, but now you'll probably have to wiggle the remote...I mean controller...

[Kane Knight]

Stupidest fuckin creation ever.

:wtf:?

Even over the invention of spray on hair, cloned pets, and techno?

[Kane Knight]

"Denial ain't just a river."

Hey; maybe it'll be cool. But I can't shake the feeling that Nintendo's doing this for shock value. I hope they know what they're doing, for my sake.

Nintendo? Go for shock value? Never!

They're trying to milk innovation naow, in the easiest ways possible. The problem is, they're no longer the guys they once were, who were 100% behind their products.

[Kalyx triaD]

I like the idea of doing my own knife edge chops. Reaching for the ropes myself. Tagging my partner. That's the future of wrestling games, touching the wrestlers...

[G]

^ What springs to mind is what kind of effect will "doing your own knife edge chops" have with parents nowadays?

[Kalyx triaD]

We should've seen this coming! Nintendo's last couple of peripherals resulted in making us gamers look more like losers than the general population already labeled us. Using a 'stylus'? A 'bongo controller'? Screaming into a mike for Mario Party? They've been giving us clues for a while.

[Gerard]

^ What springs to mind is what kind of effect will "doing your own knife edge chops" have with parents nowadays?


If they complain just hit them with a few chops of your own.

[G]

Yes, because violence is the answer.


Didn't you learn anything in school?

[Ninti the Mad]

Umm, I dont see how that controller iwll do all that.

They should just release a 3d headset with some gloves if they want to do something awesome.

[Shaved Monkey]

I'm going to wait until it comes out to officially pass judgement, but I have this sinking feeling that this is going to be worse than the Virtual Boy.

[Gerard]

Didn't you learn anything in school?


I learned how to chop, and very effective it is too. :D

[DS]

I tempted to see what happens with ports. If you'll need all new coding or if the system takes care of that itself. This isn't just a bad idea for players but this would cause developers to come up with a whole different product in order to get them to the Revolution. We all know how the 3rd party support is with Nintendo already, I'm afraid this could be one of the final blows.

[Jason Cage]

:wtf:?

Even over the invention of spray on hair, cloned pets, and techno?

At least techno you get for free. This piece of impending poop will cost like 500 "bones or clams, or whatever you call them."

[G]

*dollars

[Gerard]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/mousedown/revo.swf

:yes:

[Jonster]

They have no idea what the fuck they're doing. All you gotta do is look at the pictures and then compare them to old remotes. Now, when the joystick is being used by one hand, the other holds the remote...and it's pretty fuckin ridiculous cause since the inauguration of time, you've always needed access to several buttons while playing with the joystick...and making the remote vertical is even worse. i mean how in the shit are you suppsoed to reach the buttons when youre doing something fast. Say for instance, when you jump and kick in mid-air. You need easy access to two buttons to do that...and this remote does not give you that.

It just won't work. Stupidest fuckin creation ever.
And you do?

If you're just using the remote, you have easy acess to two buttons. What's that, a big A button on the front, and a big B button on the back. Why that's two buttons right there, oh my.
Who's to say you'll even need a button to jump, when you could just lift the controller, then you only need one button (for kick - in your example).
The joystick, which doesn't have to be used, has two extra buttons on the front of it as well.

I just realised it's a quite clever design in that it can be used equally by left and right-handed people.

I tempted to see what happens with ports. If you'll need all new coding or if the system takes care of that itself. This isn't just a bad idea for players but this would cause developers to come up with a whole different product in order to get them to the Revolution. We all know how the 3rd party support is with Nintendo already, I'm afraid this could be one of the final blows.
But oh wait, what's that on page 2, a link to an interview with Nintendo Europe's Senior Marketing Director saying that there will be a more tradional controller to go with it as well.

Here's the link again, seeing how you missed it the first time:
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60917
And if you're too lazy to even click the link, here's the exact question and answer for you, to which I am referring:

Eurogamer: How is the controller going to work with games that aren't designed specifically for the Revolution - multi-platform titles and so on?


Jim Merrick: We're producing a classic-style expansion controller, based on traditional designs like the Gamecube controller. It's like a shell with a hole in the top into which you slot the freehand-style controller, and then you can play third-party ported games, and retro Nintendo games you've downloaded.

Because it IS a remote control.

Nintendo didn't do this to be revolutionary, they did it to be "cheap." Cost effectiveness is one of their big things, so that they don't get killed taking a hit on each system sold. Once they add a tilt censor, "ZOMG! ITS REVOLUTIONARY!"

Because it's just a tilt sensor they've added :roll:
They've created a truely 3d controller, something that will take away from the abstractness of the current 2d controllers and be accessable to more people.



I think that it will be a good thing for games, I think it's a brave move by Nintendo.
I remember the time when the first shots of the N64 pad were released, and people hated that and the idea of an analogue stick. Now look at pads.
Of course final judgement will be reserved until I play the thing, but I think a lot of good original games will come from it.

[G]

I saw someone post on gamefaqs that same N64 controller argument. Almost word for word. ;)

[G]

But I'm with you by saying this will be the goods.

[Jonster]

I saw someone post on gamefaqs that same N64 controller argument. Almost word for word. ;)

Feck, I haven't been on Gamefaqs for days.
My thought process has become that bad? :'(

[G]

NTL, it's true though. Lots of people made fun of the shape of it, but looked how well it turned out.

[DS]

You're correct Jonster, I was too lazy to click the link. If I had some sort of remote I could have pointed at it with that could be used for Microsoft's browser it would have been so much easier and entertaining. But then again, I use a 3rd party browser. Does that mean I'd have to buy a whole new pointing device, such as a mouse, in order to get full features?

[G]

*new

[DS]

Thank you Grammer Garth.

[G]

Double G

[Jonster]

You're correct Jonster, I was too lazy to click the link. If I had some sort of remote I could have pointed at it with that could be used for Microsoft's browser it would have been so much easier and entertaining. But then again, I use a 3rd party browser. Does that mean I'd have to buy a whole knew pointing device, such as a mouse, in order to get full features?

1) The italicized sentence makes no sense. However you already have a mouse to click it with.

2) I know what you're getting at with the rest of it, but you're being kinda silly with the 3rd party browser/mouse analogy. There are many types of keyboard and pointing devices for computers, however they all run through the same standards to work, and the software is designed with that in mind. Besides browser software isn't responsible for those types of inputs, it's handled by the operating system.

They haven't said whether or not the more traditional controller will be included with the console or not, but I would imagine so due to people seemingly fearing change.

3) Oh and it's new not knew.

[Jonster]

G beat me to new.

[DS]

I think your best arguement in that whole post was the fact you corrected my grammer. I'm sorry the mistake was unable to get my point across, and I have fixed the mistake. You're right, the analogy sounds ridiculous, but so does the thought of having to have seperate controllers for different games.

How has Sony's EyeToy done? Not so well. So who is to say this is innovating. It's the same thing right? You use your movements to play the games.

The thing I don't understand is why you are taking this so personal. I stated in the first post that I haven't held one so I am not going to say it won't work, but my first impressions are unwanting. Sorry if I offended you. I also took extra precaution to have proper grammer in this post, as we all know the internet is not a place for mistakes.

[Jason Cage]

[QUOTE=Jonster]And you do?

If you're just using the remote, you have easy acess to two buttons. What's that, a big A button on the front, and a big B button on the back. Why that's two buttons right there, oh my.
Who's to say you'll even need a button to jump, when you could just lift the controller, then you only need one button (for kick - in your example).
The joystick, which doesn't have to be used, has two extra buttons on the front of it as well.


My point was that for certain games, such as wrestling, results may vary.

because for games such as wrestling, you need access to all buttons, yes? And holding the controller like a cock is not a very comfortable way.

Also, on the "jump and kick" example...controls for games like Devil May cry are crucial. You start blasting them with Triangle, then jump and keep blasting with triangle, then press R1 to change weapon and keep blasting.

You see for such games you need to be fast with handling, and having 2 buttons like 3 feet away form the A button is not gonna help.

[DS]

Also, what about carpal tunnel syndrome? Do they have that in Japan or are they in for a surprise when it's released?

I wonder if they gave this to a focus group as well and if it actually passed. I hope there isn't a website that answers all these common questions, that I just happen to have as well, that I'm missing.

[Jonster]

I think your best arguement in that whole post was the fact you corrected my grammer. I'm sorry the mistake was unable to get my point across, and I have fixed the mistake. You're right, the analogy sounds ridiculous, but so does the thought of having to have seperate controllers for different games.

How has Sony's EyeToy done? Not so well. So who is to say this is innovating. It's the same thing right? You use your movements to play the games.

The thing I don't understand is why you are taking this so personal. I stated in the first post that I haven't held one so I am not going to say it won't work, but my first impressions are unwanting. Sorry if I offended you. I also took extra precaution to have proper grammer in this post, as we all know the internet is not a place for mistakes.
I'm suprised you thought I took it personally, I didn't, you just put my name in the last post so I replied. Not offended in the slightest, just annoys me when people say things without all the facts (that have been put out there).

If the console comes with the traditional controller, the remote and the analogue expansion, then that's all you'll need right there. The traditional controller will have an analogue stick on it and the remote fits into it, so could still be used for anything that needs it.
Anything that needs more would be released with the game if need be. The Eyetoy was still a standard price game, even with the extra hardware needed to use it.

You're right that it's similiar to the Eyetoy in that it uses movement to play games, but the eyetoy only recognises movement and was a pain to use if you weren't against a plainish background, the Revolution controller recognises position and movement in 3D. And I can instantly think that the latter will have more uses than jumping around in front of a camera.


Oh and it's grammar ;)
Sorry :$

[Jonster]

Also, what about carpal tunnel syndrome? Do they have that in Japan or are they in for a surprise when it's released?

I wonder if they gave this to a focus group as well and if it actually passed. I hope there isn't a website that answers all these common questions, that I just happen to have as well, that I'm missing.

It's my understanding that people with carpal tunnel syndrome may have trouble playing video games anyway.

[Jonster]

My point was that for certain games, such as wrestling, results may vary.

because for games such as wrestling, you need access to all buttons, yes? And holding the controller like a cock is not a very comfortable way.

Also, on the "jump and kick" example...controls for games like Devil May cry are crucial. You start blasting them with Triangle, then jump and keep blasting with triangle, then press R1 to change weapon and keep blasting.

You see for such games you need to be fast with handling, and having 2 buttons like 3 feet away form the A button is not gonna help.

See, and I'm gonna use an analogy here, it's kind of like the DS.
There are games that use the touch screen for main control, but not every game uses the touch screen this way, nor do they have to, which is like the Revolution controller. The remote controller is there, but doesn't have to be used.

At the end of the day it's going to come down to how well the games use the devices and how well their imaginations work when coming up with ideas.

[DS]

I didn't say anything about spelling. :p

I meant that this could cause carpal tunnel with the constant wrist flicking and movement. After watching the conference and the video they played, I believe they are going to be using the controller for the next Mario game and we all know how much you have to jump in a Mario game.

Again, I haven't tried it so I don't know how it will feel, but there seems to be a lot of concern from all types of gamers.

[packt up]

It seems to me like this is a truly terrible idea. I bet no-one has ever picked up their remote and gone "wow if this was a controller it would be great". If anyone has been on one of those airplanes with games in the headsets then you'll also have some experience. Basically its a phone (practically same shape as a remote) and a controller in one. And its shit. But you know you're stuck on a 12hr flight and its free so you don't care.

Also all this "movement is great" idea is a bit rubbish. Eyetoys as mentioned have proven to be temperamental at best. EVEN IF movement is improved why go down such a shitty shaped route. The technology could have been put into a conventional shaped controller. WIN WIN. Why does it NEED to be this awful shape.

[G]

I can't wait until the Revolution comes out. :love:

[Jason Cage]

when DOES it come out? All this controller talk and the thought never even occured to me.

[DS]

Not for a while. They said that if you go to E3 and you don't play a Revolution game then it's they would be surprised. So they will at least have playable versions by summer next year. Maybe around this time next year or so.

[G]

It's definantly going to be the last one released. Sucks I know. :(

[road doggy dogg]

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8857/understandingtherevolutioncont.jpg

*jumps back on Nintendo bandwagon*

[G]

:drool:



Nintendo 4 life

[G]

Of all the controllers of this gen, I love the Gamecube's 141354325x more than the others.

[Boomer]

Besides the fact that it looks pretty stupid just shoved in there, I guess you get the best of both worlds.

[Funky Fly]

Now that's more like it. They better make that D-pad bigger, though. It's retardedly small on the GC pad.

[Loose Cannon]

AHHHHHH, There we go!!

Refreshed.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

I just saw that on IGNCube, too bad it's not the real thing though because that would be awesome :(

But there will be a controller cradle, so it's all good :drool:

[Buzzkill]

http://nintyrevcontroller.ytmnd.com/

[Jason Cage]

rofl

[Shadow]

And we thought Nintendo would let us down.

[Kane Knight]

Because it's just a tilt sensor they've added :roll:

I'm sorry, it's obviously Jesus in a can, because you're creaming yourself over it.

Wonder if you'll still have your cock out when the onvelty wears off.

[Kane Knight]

I think your best arguement in that whole post was the fact you corrected my grammer. I'm sorry the mistake was unable to get my point across, and I have fixed the mistake. You're right, the analogy sounds ridiculous, but so does the thought of having to have seperate controllers for different games.

How has Sony's EyeToy done? Not so well. So who is to say this is innovating. It's the same thing right? You use your movements to play the games.

The thing I don't understand is why you are taking this so personal. I stated in the first post that I haven't held one so I am not going to say it won't work, but my first impressions are unwanting. Sorry if I offended you. I also took extra precaution to have proper grammer in this post, as we all know the internet is not a place for mistakes.

In the interest of fairness...

Don't we have "light guns?" DDR mats (Which started iwth the NES)? Headsets? Keyboards? Don't we already have "separate controllers?"

[Jalapeño]

Allz we need now is a SUPA DUPA WANKING game.

[Kane Knight]

Now that's more like it. They better make that D-pad bigger, though. It's retardedly small on the GC pad.

Doesn't look liek they're going for practicality.

[Drakul]

http://content.ytmnd.com//153000/153371/image.jpg
Look kinda odd but I'd MUCH prefer to use this.

[DS]

In the interest of fairness...

Don't we have "light guns?" DDR mats (Which started iwth the NES)? Headsets? Keyboards? Don't we already have "separate controllers?"
I give you the DDR mats but the others aren't needed. But you're right. The docking case will be nice, I just don't see why they wouldn't go straight to that and put the sensors on it.

[Kapoutman]

Seems like my vascillating fanboyism is back in full strength.

[Kane Knight]

I give you the DDR mats but the others aren't needed. But you're right. The docking case will be nice, I just don't see why they wouldn't go straight to that and put the sensors on it.

None of them are "needed," unless you want to play specific games. The thign is, there's a history of this stuff (I forgot a few, such as the SNES' mouse), whether it's necessary or not. Or even if we like 'em.

I think the idea of sliding the remote into the Rev controller is dumb, but it's better than nothing.

I just hope they support this better than the NDS. Hate to say it, but the only bad thing I can say about the DS is the lack of fucking GAMES.

[Jonster]

I'm sorry, it's obviously Jesus in a can, because you're creaming yourself over it.

Wonder if you'll still have your cock out when the onvelty wears off.

How about you see the full picture before you start to say stupid fucking things like that in the first place.

Not creaming myself over it, but I can see the potential of it and you were obviously not seeing the whole fucking picture. So fuck off with your personal attacks when you haven't even got all the facts straight, or are just so stupid as to ignore them.

[Tornado]

Oh My.
On first look, I thought, "what the fuck is that thing". The I watched the commercial-style promo for it, and it won me over. Could be very, well, "revolutionary" which I suppose is what Nintendo are going for. This could cement Nintendo as THE games company, but it could also be the final nail in the coffin...i'm hoping that doesn't happen, but I really don't see this controller appealing to the mainstream....:meh:

[Mike the Metal Ed]

I'm starting to like the idea, but its a shame the third party developers will be too lazy to use the technology properly.

[Jalapeño]

Wait, tilt your head to the right when looking at the first pic.

ZOMG!

[Jalapeño]

Note: I haven't read any articles, seen any promos, or whatever.

[Kane Knight]

How about you see the full picture before you start to say stupid fucking things like that in the first place.

Howabout this. Stop being an idiot fanboy, and I'll stop taking the opposing side.

I don't know how you fucktards don't notice this, but I've actually taken both sides on this issue in relation to the extremists. So sit down, shut up, stop being part of the problem, and I'll have less to react to. Sweet Jesus, y'all are fucking dense.

[Kane Knight]

Oh My.
On first look, I thought, "what the fuck is that thing". The I watched the commercial-style promo for it, and it won me over. Could be very, well, "revolutionary" which I suppose is what Nintendo are going for. This could cement Nintendo as THE games company, but it could also be the final nail in the coffin...i'm hoping that doesn't happen, but I really don't see this controller appealing to the mainstream....:meh:

This wasn't the first nail. Nintendo's made some bad decisions over time. People will forget the shit, but remember the "innovation."

They've damaged their rep over the years, and still come out of the box strong normally. The thing that worries me is that most of their "advances" have happened in the form of peripherals or side projects. For example, they didn't stop making for the Game Boy because the new "Virtual Boy" came out, and the actual GBA's successor isn't out yet (Meaning the DS isn't it). Other advances were less heavy-handed, such as peripherals, or analog sticks that were largely optional early on.

This one, however, is a core system.

...Until they announce it's the new "fourth pillar," and sell us the Gamecube Micro which will be 50% smaller and have faceplates, but no new technology or ports for the GBA player or LANpipe.

[Jason Cage]

so like...there's two available controllers now?

or like, you shove the remote in the controller and you get more buttons or something for certain games...like...hm? :confused:

[G]

The remote one with joystick I believe will be for 1st party games. The one that looks like a Gamecube one will be for 3rd party games and multi-platform games that do not support the remote controller.


I think.

[Kane Knight]

so like...there's two available controllers now?

or like, you shove the remote in the controller and you get more buttons or something for certain games...like...hm? :confused:

Instead of a second controller, they sell a shell which you drop the remote into.

[Jalapeño]

Tilt your head to the fucking right when looking at the pictures.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Yes, yes, it flips on its side to become an old-school Nintendo controller :roll:

[Jalapeño]

ZOMG

[road doggy dogg]

The remote one with joystick I believe will be for 1st party games. The one that looks like a Gamecube one will be for 3rd party games and multi-platform games that do not support the remote controller.


I think.

See, now if that's the case then that rules. It gives them the whole "revolutionary" aspect with their controller ish, while still giving the option to retain a more traditional controller. Much better :mad:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Yes, yes, it flips on its side to become an old-school Nintendo controller :roll:

Isn't that going to be horribly awkward considering the motion sensor (unless I've missed something) is at the top of the remote? What are you supposed to do, play sitting side-on?

[Savio]

The Game cube one is an Idea of what IGN thinks the shell will look like......If Nintendo doesn't sell the shell with the Revolution then they are dumbasses.

[Jalapeño]

Isn't that going to be horribly awkward considering the motion sensor (unless I've missed something) is at the top of the remote? What are you supposed to do, play sitting side-on?

Unless of course, you're playing the old school NES games that are going to be available for download. :roll:

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Isn't that going to be horribly awkward considering the motion sensor (unless I've missed something) is at the top of the remote? What are you supposed to do, play sitting side-on?

I figure the sensors would be disabled for the NES games :-\

[Jalapeño]

:roll:

[Kane Knight]

Really? You mean they won't be analog controlled and mostion sensitive?

[Vietnamese Crippler]

I'll go out on a limb and say yes :o

[AareDub]

Yea, too bad the IGN wavebird looking thing is just a photoshop thing.

One thing I haven't seen mention of yet, is what if I start playing a motion sensor game sitting up straight. Then, after playing a while, I lean back or maybe even lean forward. What if I tilt my body over to one side to get more comfortable. What if I pause it, get up and go to the bathroom, then come back and do not sit in the same position I was in before. In other words, if it calibrates itself based on the starting position, what happens when you change positions. Will you have to sit perfectly still to play? Will you contstantly have to pause and recalibrate? It is built to not only sense up, down, left, and right, but also back, forwards, etc. So it will definitly notice when I lean back in my chair. Is Samus going to tilt her head back when I do that?

I'd be very interested to try it out, but it's not looking so promising at this point.

[Kane Knight]

Depends on how you change positions, I suppose.

I do the same thing though. Idoubt you'll have to be perfectly straight to play.

[Innovator]

Nintendo say hello to Sega

[AareDub]

Depends on how you change positions, I suppose.

I do the same thing though. Idoubt you'll have to be perfectly straight to play.

I agree that it doesn't sound like a logical problem when talking about a game controller, but I can't imagine how they'll get around it.

[Boomer]

If it is anything like having to deal with a Guncon, I don't want to be a part of it.

[The Mackem]

Personal attacks, whatever your brand persuasion, will not be tolerated in the VG forum. It's a VG controller not the last toilet roll fellas, it aint worth it.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

<TABLE cellPadding=5 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD bgColor=#003252>VGCats.com don't seem to be too thrilled over it.

Monday, September 19, 2005 - Walked into a doorknob.


New comic. (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=165) Now before you get your e-trigger finger on that send button, just hear me out.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit excited to see what games come out for the new controller. Still it's an iffy idea at best. I always feel like a battered wife with Nintendo. As much as they beat the shit (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143782) out of me, I still love them.

The first thought that crossed my mind when I looked at it was, "How the fuck do I play smash brothers on that?!". Enter the peripherals (http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg). Which I am sure to be a first in a long line. Here are just a few ideas (http://www.vgcats.com/news/remote.gif) floating around. Money grab? Golly no (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=86).

As well the one thing this device isn't, is revolutionary. If you've ever been to an arcade you can see stuff like this all over the place. Sword simulators, gun games, tennis, soccer, fire hoses, etc.. It's not breaking any new ground. Hell, there are even peripherals (http://www.monstergecko.com/) just like (http://www.vgcats.com/news/100_4909.jpg) this (http://www.vgcats.com/news/100_4910.jpg).

The fact is Nintendo is on very shaky ground with the Gamecube (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2005-06-06). Awesome in handhelds but wow, trouble in consoles. Some of the games this systems has are fantastic. However they are few and FAR between.

Now you might call this a risk Nintendo is willing to make. Wind Waker (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=78) was a risk. This (http://www.1up.com/do/imageDisplay?id=2308865) is near suicide. I loved Wind Waker but many people were turned off by it . The same way people are being turned off by the new controller. If you're looking to pull in new customers this just isn't the way to do it. So there's the mantra that they're "Focused on making games". Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled out of consoles.

This is all speculation of course. Might end up liking the damn thing. God knows I've been (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=15) wrong (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=9) before. These are my views and I'm probably not going to change them until I try the Rev. Make your own decisions.

Just one last thing. This is the silliest promo video ever (http://cubemovies.ign.com/cube/video/article/651/651334/revolutiontrailer_091605_qtlow.mov). There's such a thing as too excited. Direct hate mail over here (brickwall@vgcats.com).


</TD></TR><TR><TD bgColor=#003252>Thursday, September 15, 2005 11:18 PM - Nintendo just died

Nintendo's new controller is out (http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143782). Congratulations Nintendo, you've created what looks like a sex toy (http://www.1up.com/do/imageDisplay?id=2308865). Complete with rumble pack. Well, it was a fun company while it lasted.


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Personal attacks, whatever your brand persuasion, will not be tolerated in the VG forum. It's a VG controller not the last toilet roll fellas, it aint worth it.

Mackem lays down the law. :love:

[Kane Knight]

Mackem, this IS life or death. If the controller requires too much movement, I won't be able to whack off later.

[The Mackem]

Take it to the masturbation forum Kane Knight, you know your penis doesn't sit well with me :shifty:

[Kane Knight]

It doesn't sit at all...With you...:shifty:

[Kalyx triaD]

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8857/understandingtherevolutioncont.jpg

*jumps back on Nintendo bandwagon*


Well slap my ass and call me Katie Marie, that's actually a nifty little thingy there. I take back all my previous taunts. And for the record, I'm also reformed on:

Precision Passing, Madden 06 is nice. Still stick a middle finger to EAssholes.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Please take not that that's NOT REAL ;)

The cradle will be made, but that's just a design thrown together by the guy at IGNCube

[Joey Slugs]

From Penny Arcade (http://penny-arcade.com/index.php)

We're obviously late to the Revolution Party, but so many people asked us what we thought of the controller announcement.


The first thing we thought of is what the Fruit Fucker would look like (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2005-09-14) were he released today. If you don't have any white plastic on your consumer device, apparently you are some kind of retarded. Get some white plastic on there. That is the impression one would get. Sony grudgingly recognized it with the original PSP - glossy black machine, yes, but white strap and headphones. Ultimately, concession would make way to something like redaction (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000997051360/).


The wireless at the hotel would never deliver unto me the full teaser video (http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334/vids_1.html), so until we got back I was never able to see how far the thinking had gotten over there. They had, as I suggested, earned a little bit of optimism from me by making the DS - which I thought of as Exhibit A in Nintendo vs. Sanity - something I've come to consider kind of necessary. So looking at the video made me see that they were already thinking about what you could do with two positional controllers at the very least. The counterexample I keep hearing about the peripheral has to do with third parties, and how scary the controller is, but for a couple generations now their systems have been (at least, outside of Japan) a kind of dedicated shrine to their own games, games that shame the rest of the industry with their polish, their palette, and their playability. They forge unique deals with companies like Capcom and SquareEnix to bring sometimes extraordinary exclusive content. I can live with that.


There were initial cries and lamentations regarding the announcement, but I think we need to just accept the fact that they are no longer playing the linear game their competitors are. The control looks like a remote, yes, but we've talked about this before - playing games with pens, drums, and now remote controls draws the artifacts of ordinary life into the increasingly byzantine realm of electronic entertainment. Excuse me, I forgot. It's not innovation unless it involves another texture pass.


This is outside the ordinary either/or propositions that define our passtime. The either/or proposition is the PS3 or the 360, digital entertainment hubs that represent beachheads in some war for the living room.


We won't know until E3 the extent to which Nintendo is prepared to realize the promise of their strange excursion - it took them a year to prove their DS. The final word on why they would do something like this can be found over at Lost Garden (http://lostgarden.com/2005/09/nintendos-genre-innovation-strategy.html). That is probably the most interesting article I've ever read.

[Kane Knight]

It's taken them over a year. Most of the games that will prove the DS are still just promises.

[Requiem]

LOL

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050919.gif

[Vietnamese Crippler]

:rofl:

[Silent]

(followed link from the VGcats post)

http://www.monstergecko.com/products.html

That gun looks really cool. :o

[Jason Cage]

lol @ nunchuku contorller

[James Steele]

It looks like a tampon or possibly some sort of vibrator. Maybe they are marketing more to teen girls or something.

:shifty: