TNA Impact & 2 hour Special SPOILERS

[Goulet]

Credit - PWinsider.com

Pre-Taping Notes: The Ultimate X rematch from the Bound for Glory PPV will open the Primetime Special. TNA has the X hanging from the ropes with several small chains to prevent a repeat of Sunday's PPV malfunction. ... TNA execs Dixie Carter & Frank Dickerson are sitting ringside, as is Jamie D who won the TNA Gutcheck Challenge earlier in the year. Carter spent time talking to ringside fans before the taping. ... Sean Waltman is backstage. ... Before the taping, Jeremy Borash asked how many first timers were in the house and a huge percentage raised their hands..

*Before they went on the air, the Spike TV general manager was introduced as he was sitting with TNA execs at ringside.

*Mike Tenay and Don West taped several segments previewing the primetime Impact including one featuring Jeff Jarrett announcing he would challenge Rhino for the NWA title.

*In an Ultimate X match, Petey Williams defeated Matt Bentley and Chris Sabin. Really fun match. Some insane spots and a catfight spot with Traci Brooks and Scott D'Amore. It's Williams vs AJ Styles for the X-Division title at the Genesis PPV.

*Backstage, Team Canada attacked 3 Live Kru.

In matches taped for this Saturday's Impact:

*Abyss pinned Lance Hoyt with the Black Hole Slam in an entertaining bout. The lights went out and when they returned, Sabu was in the ring with his arm wrapped in barbed wire challenging Abyss, who was holding his bag of thumbtacks. Jim Mitchell pulled Abyss from the ring.

*The Naturals beat Beat Lex Lovett & Buck Quartermaine. In a scary moment, Chase Stevens landed on the top of his head while flipping over after failing a famouser. He seemed out of it but kicked out. He was woozy enough that they did an improv finish after The Naturals didn't set up the Natural Disaster properly. Stevens walked out under his own power.

*TNA X-Division champion AJ Styles & Sonjay Dutt defeated Roderick Strong & Alex Shelley. Monster pop for Styles. Scott D'Amore and Petey Williams came to the commentator table screaming about Williams winning the PPV Ultimate X fairly and being forced into a rematch on the special. Strong hit some insane backbreaker innovations on Dutt. Huge pop for the hot tag to Styles. Styles Clash on Strong for the pin. Another really good match. Strong "That was awesome" after all four had left the Arena.

*NWA Tag Team champs America's Most Wanted defeated 3 Live Kru's Ron Killings & BG James. Crowd chanted "P****ycat" at Chris Harris. Killings did a flip dive onto AMW on the floor. Konnan thwarted Gail Kim's interference. Scott D'Amore tried to hit James with a hockey stick. Kip James stopped him and gave the stick to James. James was about to use it but Storm grabbed it. Harris hit a superkick to pin James.

*Team 3-D arrived in a truck and entered the building with Brother Ray saying, "Let's take care of business." to Devon.

*Team 3-D interview in the ring. Brother Ray cut a promo saying AMW was their new favorite team because they did what no one in 4 years of ECW and 6 years of WWE - put them on the shelf. He said their mistake was leaving them for dead without killing them.

Ray said that they know every person who was at their "funeral" and cut a promo on them. It was a hell of a promo. They announced Rhino & 3-D vs. AMW & Jeff Jarett at Genesis. Devon challenged Team Canada to face them on the primetime special.

Scott D'Amore. Bobby Rude & Eric Young came out. They distracted 3-D and jumped them. 3 Live Kru made the save for a big brawl as they go off the air. They hit 3-D on Young. They grabbed D'Amore but Jarrett and AMW hit the ring. Rhino made the save. Jarrett and his cronies powdered out after a short brawl.

Another good segment. This Saturday's Impact is a really fun show.

TNA Impact 2 hour special for 11/3:

*Lance Hoyt & Jeff Hardy & Sabu beat The Diamonds in The Rough. Crowd is big time into Sabu. Hardy hit the swanton on Young after a quick flurry. Abyss hit the ring and nailed Sabu with the Black Hole Slam. Hoyt and Hardy clotheslined him out of the ring. OK opener.

*Monty Brown pinned Brian Gamble with two Pounces. Gamble either did an awesome job selling or was legit out on his feet after the first as Brown drilled him hard. Gamble was carried out as Jeremy Borash quipped, "Gamble was 26."

*Christopher Daniels & Alex Shelley & Samoa Joe lost to Austin Aries & Sonjay Dutt & X-Division champ AJ Styles - Great stuff here. They teased dissension with Joe and Daniels blind tagging each other while on the offensive. The faces had triple submissions on the heels at one point which got a TNA chant. Daniels accidentally struck Joe. Joe returned the favor. Styles got the Clash on Shelley for the win. This was bell to bell great stuff all around. You'll want to go out of your way to see this.

*At some point, they will splice the Ultimate X match into the special

*Team 3-D defeated Team Canada's Eric Young & Bobby Rude - The fans sang the Star Spangled Banner to taunt Team Canada. Young did a great job as the runt of the team with his personality coming through. 3D went for the wazzup headbutt but Rude shoved Devon off the ropes. They got a lot of heat on Devon as Ray was screaming for him to fight them off. Devon came back with a double clothesline. He made the hot tag. They called for 3D on Young. A1 went to use the hockey stick but 3 Live Kru stopped him. They hit the 3D for the win. Good bout. The fans saluted 3D with an ECW chant as they left the ring.

*NWA champion Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett - Rhino went for the gore after a press slam but Jarrett powdered out. They brawled through the crowd. Rhino slammed Jarrett's head into a chair held by a fan. Tommy Dreamer would be proud. Rhino slammed him into the announcing table then pulled a table from under the ring. An ECW chant started but was drowned out by a TNA chant. Rhino went for a piledriver off the ropes but Gail Kim came down. Rhino took a nasty bump to the floor. Jarrett took control. He tried to wear down Rhino with a bear hug. Crowd chanted loudly for Rhino who made his comeback with a Samoan Drop. He nailed Jarrett with a shoulder tackle but Jeff took him down as he charged towards the corner. Jarrett cinched in the figure four. Rhino reversed. Gail Kim went for a flying legdrop but missed. Rhino pressed her for a slam but Jarrett rolled him up for a two count. Jarrett tried for another pin but the ref caught him putting his feet on the ropes. Rhino hit a sit out powerbomb for a two. He missed the gore. The ref went down to a accidental clothesline. Jarett missed with a guitar shot and Rhino hit the gore. No ref to count the pinfall. AMW came down. Rhino grabbed the guitar and swung but missed. Jarrett lowblowed Rhino. AMW hit the Death Sentence on Rhino thru a table on the floor. Jarrett hit the stroke and scored the pin.

Your winner and new NWA champ, again, Jeff Jarrett. They showed a shot of a bloodied Team 3-D backstage. The crowd chanted "F*** you Jarrett" and booed.

[James Steele]

Well, I guess Rhino fit into their original plans anyway.

[Loose Cannon]

haha, didn't read anything except the very last thing. what a joke. I knew shit like that would happen.

Now you've made everything that happened on the PPV involving the World Title mean absolutely nothing. Rhino comes off as a huge fluke, basically killing him off from building at least some credibility.

[Innovator]

Wow...........thats all I can say really

[Shadow]

.....you've gotta be fucking kidding me.

[Jaton]

Is it really that surprising?

[Innovator]

Memo to Jeff Jarrett

Dear Jeff,

DIE

Love,
Everyone

[Shadow]

Is it really that surprising?

Not surprising just...sad.

[Jaton]

Wait, weren't you guys bitching about Rhino even winning? Still, I suppose it's useless to have hotshotted the title like that.

[Jaton]

Oh well. Unlike Raw, with spoilers like this..I can be disappointed weeks in advance and then not have to watch the show. Perhaps if they dip in ratings after this, they'll see that Jarrett is NOT a draw.

[Innovator]

I'd rather see the NWA title used to build a guy up like Joe instead of wasted on a bonafide midcard jobber like named Jeff Jarrett, who can't draw and never will

[Jaton]

Well said. It's a mockery of what it stands for.

[Goulet]

hey TNA... WCW called from the year 2000...

[Innovator]

At least Raven can do his program now

[Sting Fan]

Raven has to work his angle now or TNA isnt going to get anywhere. And the biggest thing with that is they dont have the luxury of time too keep Jarrett as a hated champ because people will tune out if Jarrett isnt dethroned sometime in the next 2-3 months at most.

THey have put themselves in a bad position because they should have had AJ (or someone suitably loved) as champion so that they have a history of a good face champion to try and put Raven in there as the next big champ.

As it is they have put themselves in a position of having to rush an angle that should take 4-5 months.

[Fox]

haha, didn't read anything except the very last thing. what a joke. I knew shit like that would happen.

Now you've made everything that happened on the PPV involving the World Title mean absolutely nothing. Rhino comes off as a huge fluke, basically killing him off from building at least some credibility.

Bullshit.

This was what they had to do. Rhino, as you said repeatedly in the Bound for Glory thread, is not ready for the NWA World Title; however, he was OVER enough to have a relatively emotional win at the end of the PPV, and then lose the title back to Jarrett in a World TItle match on primetime Spike TV.

Rhino has the match won, but the referee is out. AWM come down and put him through a table with their finisher to get Jarrett the victory. Not only does this sound like an entertaining main event, but it gets Rhino credibility, and makes him look more like a main event player.

Jarrett is now free to feud with another more deserving worker, while Rhino goes into a new program to continue his way towards the main event. I wouldn't mind seeing a Rhino/Monty Brown feud.

[Nowhere Man]

I gotta agree with Fox; much as I love Rhino, he didn't go into that PPV looking like a credible World Title contender. Now that he's shown he can beat the champ cleanly (and more importantly, the champ can't beat him cleanly), he's elevated his stature so that the next time he's put in a program for the gold, it's more believable that he'll get it.

That is, of course, assuming Jarrett doesn't just torpedo Rhino's momentum altogether like he did with Raven. (speaking of, has Raven even appeared on Impact without him getting carried off by security?)

[Jaton]

No he hasn't. Which is fucking stupid, but I guess i can see where they're going with it,.

[Funky Fly]

When is this airing?

[RemyRed]

lmfao Fucking pathetic. Jarrett is halfway to Triple H's 10 title wins. I'm glad this bullshit doesn't air live because and that it has spoilers. Oh and Fox, go back to your mindless drones at the TalkTNA forums. Us over here know when something completely sucks.

[Destor]

11/3/05
I'm not sure on the time. :(

[Kane Knight]

I just lost my interest in tuning in.

[owenbrown]

lmfao Fucking pathetic. Jarrett is halfway to Triple H's 10 title wins. I'm glad this bullshit doesn't air live because and that it has spoilers. Oh and Fox, go back to your mindless drones at the TalkTNA forums. Us over here know when something completely sucks.

actually.... Jarrett is one away from tying HHH in title wins.... You forget he is a 4-time WCW champion as well.

and when i read these spoilers i was very close to punching my computer monitor in.:foc:

[Tornado]

Memo to Jeff Jarrett

Dear Jeff,

DIE

Love,
Everyone

ROFLOL

[Loose Cannon]

I gotta agree with Fox; much as I love Rhino, he didn't go into that PPV looking like a credible World Title contender. Now that he's shown he can beat the champ cleanly (and more importantly, the champ can't beat him cleanly), he's elevated his stature so that the next time he's put in a program for the gold, it's more believable that he'll get it.

That is, of course, assuming Jarrett doesn't just torpedo Rhino's momentum altogether like he did with Raven. (speaking of, has Raven even appeared on Impact without him getting carried off by security?)

Fox was the one saying that Rhino WAS a credible worker in the PPV thread. I was one of the main guys saying he WAS A JOKE.

So, how in the world do you justify that Title switch now? Now that we know Jarret won the Title back, how did that elevate him at all? It just showed that he got lucky on that night and couldn't hold on to the dam thing for even a month. You've made that PPV seem rather meaningless now. I don't get why they had Rhino win the belt in the first place to have him drop it back so quick. Rhino doesn't have the credibility to be dropping World Titles quicker then his TNA career.

Like I said, he's a JOKE.

[Loose Cannon]

Bullshit.

This was what they had to do. Rhino, as you said repeatedly in the Bound for Glory thread, is not ready for the NWA World Title; however, he was OVER enough to have a relatively emotional win at the end of the PPV, and then lose the title back to Jarrett in a World TItle match on primetime Spike TV.

Rhino has the match won, but the referee is out. AWM come down and put him through a table with their finisher to get Jarrett the victory. Not only does this sound like an entertaining main event, but it gets Rhino credibility, and makes him look more like a main event player.

Jarrett is now free to feud with another more deserving worker, while Rhino goes into a new program to continue his way towards the main event. I wouldn't mind seeing a Rhino/Monty Brown feud.

You seriosuly make like no sense. First you keep mentioning he's a main event player, but then you knock him out of the main events to feud with someone else. If he's such a main event player, why not keep him in there instead of saying "ok, you had your shot, you blew it and now you're being demoted.

Rhino got beat just like everyone else loses to Jarett. Nothing that's gonna make him any special. Well he did get beat quicker then anyone else, so I guess that makes him stand out.

[LK]

Just got to chuckle at this. Vince has to be bricking it with this kind of genius booking.

[owenbrown]

Memo to Jeff Jarrett

Dear Jeff,

DIE

Love,
Everyone

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Innovator again. :y: :rofl:

[Kane Knight]

Okay. Let me get this straight.

Beating Jarrett clean is a fluke, and getting beaten by 3 people makes you look weak.

By extension, I'm guessing losing to Rhino was a fluke, and needing two other guys to beat Rhino made JJ look strong, instead of cowardly and connected.

[JH]

they have announced for genisis monty brown vs jeff hardy in a #1 contenders match for the world title

MONTY IS THE NEXT CHAMP

[Vastardikai]

I have said it before, and as much as it pains me, as they have good talent, it bears repeating...

Any promotion built around Jeff Jarrett DESERVES to fail.

[Sadistic]

Sounds like 2 amazing shows. I don't judge a whole show on what happens in the last 10 minutes.

[Kane Knight]

Any promotion built around Jeff Jarrett DESERVES to fail.

I was going to KKK that into "Explode," but yours works just fine. :)

[Kane Knight]

Sounds like 2 amazing shows. I don't judge a whole show on what happens in the last 10 minutes.

No, you judge it on how mainstream it is and how much blood is shed. :lol:

Seriously, they've got some good-looking matches but nothing "amazing."

The Naturals vs Quartermain and Lovett? :yawn:

3LK and AMW? Please mister bookers, can you book like WCW a little more? It'll improve your interest level.

Monty Brown, Jeff Jarrett, and Team Canada...Oh my. Or is that yawn?

Yup. Yawn.

There are some good matches, but a lot of crap. An "amazing" show should have less bullshit, more action and entertainment. If I want to see a black guy look like a moron on TV, I'll watch Smackdown (The Boogeyman) or Raw (John Cena). If I want to watch a longwinded champion, I'l watch Raw (Where at least when Trips gets the title back, the matches will be quasi-interesting). If I want to watch virtual nobodies perform mediocre matches or watch gimmicks from 10 years ago get shoes thrown at them, I'll go find them where they live...Probably the bus station.

All they need right now is a few "Viagra on a pole" matches, and they can finally stop pretending they're a new company. When you're booked like WCW, you deserve to get killed off.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fucking geniuses. They create interest in their product by pushing a likeable and fairly solid guy to a surprising and unbelievable (in a good way) title win, and they shit all over it by having the title taken away from him.

Now, I can understand they want to put the title on Monty Brown. Fine. They should have done it at Bound for Glory. Or they could have had Rhino vs. Monty Brown, which could have been a fairly intense feud.

I was hoping for a Six-Man Tag Team Match at Genesis, with the NWA World Heavyweight Champion (Rhino) teaming up with challengers for the NWA Tag Team Championship (Team 3D) and a challenger for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship (Jeff Jarrett) teaming up with the NWA Tag Team Champions (America's Most Wanted). You could have even put the titles on the line in a "Winner Takes All" style match. A guaranteed title change is probably worth something to TNA fans.

All I can say now is that the faces NEED to win at Genesis.

[Shadow]

Vince has to be booking TNA.

Fixed it for ya.

[Kane Knight]

Vince fears TNA!

:shifty:

[Enjay]

This whole clusterfuck is all an accident though. Nash WAS supposed to go over Jarrett at Bound For Glory and then feud with Raven over the title. Which woulda been cool, but because of Nash's heart attack, they had to rewrite a ton of shit and now Raven's storyline is that he's been barred from the arena. Still I could've come up with a MUCH BETTER rewrite than what they ended up going with. Just have Brown win the Battle Royal, beat Jarrett, and replace Nash with him vs. Raven. Fuck what bunch of idiots.


Scott D'Amore + Terry Taylor + Jerry Jarrett = Dusty Rhodes


EDIT
.....you've gotta be fucking kidding me.
Nice Don West impersonation. :y:

[Disturbed316]

LOL fucking hell.

[Loose Cannon]

I was hoping for a Six-Man Tag Team Match at Genesis, with the NWA World Heavyweight Champion (Rhino) teaming up with challengers for the NWA Tag Team Championship (Team 3D) and a challenger for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship (Jeff Jarrett) teaming up with the NWA Tag Team Champions (America's Most Wanted). You could have even put the titles on the line in a "Winner Takes All" style match. A guaranteed title change is probably worth something to TNA fans.

That's still the plan, minus the all belts on the line thing.

[Loose Cannon]

This whole clusterfuck is all an accident though. Nash WAS supposed to go over Jarrett at Bound For Glory and then feud with Raven over the title. Which woulda been cool, but because of Nash's heart attack, they had to rewrite a ton of shit and now Raven's storyline is that he's been barred from the arena. Still I could've come up with a MUCH BETTER rewrite than what they ended up going with. Just have Brown win the Battle Royal, beat Jarrett, and replace Nash with him vs. Raven. Fuck what bunch of idiots.

Heard JJ was supposed to retain and Nash would feud with Raven, but not for the belt.

[Kane Knight]

Heard JJ was supposed to retain and Nash would feud with Raven, but not for the belt.

Cue Brown for the championship, which is what they seemed to be beuilding to.

[Shadow]

Well at least we know he's gonna hunt against Jarret.

[Loose Cannon]

Cue Brown for the championship, which is what they seemed to be beuilding to.

yep

[Kane Knight]

Well at least we know he's gonna hunt against Jarret.

And then...The...POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooounce-uh...

...Period.

[PureHatred]

:roll:

During that BFG thread, everyone who bitched about Rhino winning was basically trying to make the point that he wasn't a legit contender. And that really, the only thing that could make it worse would be to hotshot the belt back onto JJ; basically admitting their own mistake and making their "BIGGEST PPV EVENT EVER" pretty much meaningless,

Bobby Goulet said it best:

hey TNA... WCW called from the year 2000...

That being said, based on the spoilers and the reviews I read on pwinsider, I'm excited to watch the show. Some quality matches on there and the X-Division matches sound outstanding. I have a feeling that I'll watch TNA the way I watched Nitro: tune in to the early undercard because it10X better than anything the WWE is doing, then tune out when the main-eventers come out, because its 10X worse.

NOTE: I reserve the right to take all of this back should Monty Brown win the belt and actually get a big push. I feel like Tina Turner...I just can't help loving that crazy black man.

[6to1]

well i like the x belt better anyway, this is kind of like the old wcw where hogan had the world belt or one of his friends while all the good matches were for the tv US or cruiserweight belts.

[Kane Knight]

WCW in 2000 wasn't this shitty. It was pretty shitty, but this is a level even WCW couldn't accomplish.

[Fox]

lmfao Fucking pathetic. Jarrett is halfway to Triple H's 10 title wins. I'm glad this bullshit doesn't air live because and that it has spoilers. Oh and Fox, go back to your mindless drones at the TalkTNA forums. Us over here know when something completely sucks.

First things first: suck my dick until you know what you're talking about. Maybe my seminal fluids can transmit some sort of logic from my brain to yours - although it's really, really doubtful.

Second, I have never been to the TalkTNA forums, and in fact, do not know what that is. I assume it's in reference to the forums on the TNA website, but like I said, I don't know (and am too lazy to confirm).

Third, how do you know it sucks? You haven't even SEEN the show yet. You read about it in spoilers: big fucking deal. For all we know, Rhino could come off as Hulk Fucking Hogan in his main event match. It's unlikely, but like I said, you don't know because you haven't seen it yet.

[Fox]

You seriosuly make like no sense. First you keep mentioning he's a main event player, but then you knock him out of the main events to feud with someone else. If he's such a main event player, why not keep him in there instead of saying "ok, you had your shot, you blew it and now you're being demoted.

Rhino got beat just like everyone else loses to Jarett. Nothing that's gonna make him any special. Well he did get beat quicker then anyone else, so I guess that makes him stand out.

Re-read my post. If you do, you will find that not once do I call Rhino a "main event player."

Bullshit.

This was what they had to do. Rhino, as you said repeatedly in the Bound for Glory thread, is not ready for the NWA World Title; however, he was OVER enough to have a relatively emotional win at the end of the PPV, and then lose the title back to Jarrett in a World TItle match on primetime Spike TV.

Rhino has the match won, but the referee is out. AWM come down and put him through a table with their finisher to get Jarrett the victory. Not only does this sound like an entertaining main event, but it gets Rhino credibility, and makes him look more like a main event player.

Jarrett is now free to feud with another more deserving worker, while Rhino goes into a new program to continue his way towards the main event. I wouldn't mind seeing a Rhino/Monty Brown feud.

In fact, I state repeatedly that he was NOT ready to be the World Champion and was NOT ready to carry the company. All I stated is that he is over enough to have an emotional title win at BFG, which he did. Much like Rey Mysterio, Christian, or Booker T currently in the WWE - they could be hotshotted the title and the fans would enjoy it - but they're probably not ready to be champion for the long run.

Being a main event player has nothing to do with being in the main event ALL THE TIME. Look at Kurt Angle, Kane, Big Show, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, The Undertaker and Randy Orton: all are former World Champions, all have the ability and credibility to main event a PPV, but that doesn't mean they do it all the time.

It simply means that they have face value in the company, and any lower-card feud that they partake in will only be that much better because of that face value.

This is what they have done for Rhino. He is now a former NWA World Champion, who won the title against all odds, and lost the title thanks to help from Jarrett's cronies. You can't try and say that this makes him look weaker than he was before BFG, because that would be bullshit, and there would be no logical reasoning to support that.

He can now feud with someone else and MAKE HIS WAY toward the main event again.


Still sore over the BFG thread? Aww.

[Loose Cannon]

Dude, first of all, stop acting like a child and telling people to suck your dick. You're like 20 years old or something. Chill out.

Re-read my post. If you do, you will find that not once do I call Rhino a "main event player."

In fact, I state repeatedly that he was NOT ready to be the World Champion and was NOT ready to carry the company. All I stated is that he is over enough to have an emotional title win at BFG, which he did. Much like Rey Mysterio, Christian, or Booker T currently in the WWE - they could be hotshotted the title and the fans would enjoy it - but they're probably not ready to be champion for the long run.

Makes him "look like a main event player" sounds to me like you're calling him a main event player. I don't know how else to take that.

I don't know what being over enough to have an emotional Title win is. You just make that up or something? It's just a piss poor excuse for hot shotting the Title to please the crowd on hand. Short Term Pops for fans does not = Long Term Sucess. Of course the fucking fans would enjoy it at the show. Who wouldn't? That's a really dumb example and it's not smart to do shit like that because it takes away VALUE from the Title. The WWE has NEVER EVER EVER put the Title on a mid-carder that wasn't over to the mass audience out of nowhere. And it's been working fine for them so far :yes:



Being a main event player has nothing to do with being in the main event ALL THE TIME. Look at Kurt Angle, Kane, Big Show, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, The Undertaker and Randy Orton: all are former World Champions, all have the ability and credibility to main event a PPV, but that doesn't mean they do it all the time.

It simply means that they have face value in the company, and any lower-card feud that they partake in will only be that much better because of that face value.

LOL @ you comparing Credible, Drawing, Built Up, WWE guys to Rhino. A guy that's never been a draw in his life, that's never been a top star for a big promotion (and I swear if you call ECW a big promotion, especially when nobody was watching in 99 :lol: ) and has never been seen as a credible worker in the minds of the mass wrestling audience one time.

Hell TNA didn't even have enough faith in the guy to keep the Title on him for even three weeks.

Those WWE guys have been seen at the top by millions of fans, fans have seen them in the Four Horsemen, w/ The Radicals, w/ Evolution, w/ the nWo. All groups that were booked strongly and with other credible workers. Those guys have been in the spotlight many times on a national level. They've feuded and beaten top guys, they've won various Titles from WWE and WCW, they played major parts in angles from WWE and WCW and they've been doing that consistently for the longest time. Maybe not Orton, but he's definatelt heading that way

Yea. those WWE guys have face value to a company, but a guy that was nothing to begin with and is nothing once again, aka Rhino, really doesn't have that face value, does he? And that's not his fault. It's just that TNA has nobody that could actually give any wrestler any sort of face value.


This is what they have done for Rhino. He is now a former NWA World Champion, who won the title against all odds, and lost the title thanks to help from Jarrett's cronies. You can't try and say that this makes him look weaker than he was before BFG, because that would be bullshit, and there would be no logical reasoning to support that.

He can now feud with someone else and MAKE HIS WAY toward the main event again.

Logical Reasoning says he Lost the Title just like everybody else lost the Title to Jarrett. Don't you see what TNA has done with the Belt. In order to "beat" Jarret and look "credible," you not only have to overcome Jarrett, but you also have to overcome anybody that's siding with JJ at the time. It's happened time and time again and so far, nobody has been able to do it.

Wouldn't winning the Title "against all odds" mean that you overcame all odds in the Title match? He overcame Jarrett, but when the "odds" got stacked against him at the TNA Special, he sure didn't overcome them. To bad for TNA, cause they might of redeemed themselves if they booked it like that


Still sore over the BFG thread

What?

[Shadow]

I think he's implying that you said something that made you seem very sore during the Bound For Glory Pay Per View. Thus he belives he "owned" you at something.

Or he's actually coming on to you. Take your pick.

[6to1]

i am aust glad they have a prime time slot on thur nov 3rd i wonder if there raitings will be as high as smackdowns i hope so.

[Kane Knight]

I somehow doubt they'll do as well as Smackdown.

Smackdown is crap, but it's established crap.

TNA is unknown crap.

[Sadistic]

TNA isn't crap. It's pretty sad that people here overshadow all the good wrestling matches and shit all over the product just because someone they don't like is champion. But then again I hardly expected anything but negativity.

[Nervous Ferret]

ROFL pot calling kettle

[6to1]

problem is they go against csi but i think it will do good people like new crap.

[Loose Cannon]

I somehow doubt they'll do as well as Smackdown.

Smackdown is crap, but it's established crap.

TNA is unknown crap.

[Kane Knight]

TNA isn't crap. It's pretty sad that people here overshadow all the good wrestling matches and shit all over the product just because someone they don't like is champion. But then again I hardly expected anything but negativity.

:lol:

Irony is ironic sometimes.

Anyway, give me a single TNA card where I care about more than half the matches. I will happily endorse them as something other than crap. 'Til then, you might as well be telling me that "Dick and Jane" isn't children's reading.

[Kane Knight]

problem is they go against csi but i think it will do good people like new crap.

If wrestling was popular, then it might do good.

Wrestling isn't cool though.

[Jaton]

Dude, first of all, stop acting like a child and telling people to suck your dick. You're like 20 years old or something. Chill out.



Makes him "look like a main event player" sounds to me like you're calling him a main event player. I don't know how else to take that.

I don't know what being over enough to have an emotional Title win is. You just make that up or something? It's just a piss poor excuse for hot shotting the Title to please the crowd on hand. Short Term Pops for fans does not = Long Term Sucess. Of course the fucking fans would enjoy it at the show. Who wouldn't? That's a really dumb example and it's not smart to do shit like that because it takes away VALUE from the Title. The WWE has NEVER EVER EVER put the Title on a mid-carder that wasn't over to the mass audience out of nowhere. And it's been working fine for them so far :yes:



Yeah, because JBL was such an over main event heel at the time.

[Loose Cannon]

Blah, Smackdown Title wasn't really their main Title at the time, but,

JBL was in the middle of controversy with the media. Vince McMahon saw the ATTENTION he was getting outside the WWE and decided to play off it. The character of Bradshaw had been pretty over, along with Farooq, as part of the APA. Crowd loved them every week the appeared. He got a string of strong wins against some of the WWE's top guys. So you knew he had a pretty dam good chance of taking the Title off Guerrero at the PPV. The match was built up, so it wasn't like JBL walked in Sunday Night and won the Title.

[Jaton]

Seemed more like it to me. That would be like Gregory Helms winning the title now, and you arguing he was massively over as the Hurricane and picked up a few big victories against HHH.

Yeah, it may be true, but it's still not enough to remove him from midcard status in the casuals' eyes.

[Jaton]

In fact, come to think of it..it's almost the exact same.

Let's just say Greg Helms picked up some victories over..say..HBK and Flair. And then won the title at the next PPV.

[Loose Cannon]

Same as what?

[Jaton]

Just think if Greg Helms got a major sudden push to the moon, how much different would it be than JBL?

[Jaton]

We're going way off track from the subject here.

[Loose Cannon]

Just think if Greg Helms got a major sudden push to the moon, how much different would it be than JBL?

Everyone who gets the Title gets a major push to the moon. So it wouldn't be no different from anyone.

Also remember, JBL could cut a great promo and that got him over too. And Smackdown really had no major heels at the time and they were desperate for a guy who could carry that brand. And he actually did fairly good for the show hw was on. The numbers jumped up a little mid reign-end reign

[Kane Knight]

Just think if Greg Helms got a major sudden push to the moon, how much different would it be than JBL?

And ironically, still better than Rhino as placeholder.

[Jaton]

Everyone who gets the Title gets a major push to the moon. So it wouldn't be no different from anyone.

Also remember, JBL could cut a great promo and that got him over too. And Smackdown really had no major heels at the time and they were desperate for a guy who could carry that brand. And he actually did fairly good for the show hw was on. The numbers jumped up a little mid reign-end reign
Yeah, but you also have to figure. There was no jump for many of feuds except for the one against Cena.

I'm not saying anything bad about JBL though.

[owenbrown]

WCW in 2000 wasn't this shitty. It was pretty shitty, but this is a level even WCW couldn't accomplish.

All TNA needs is some B-movie celeb for them to make as their World Champ and they are EXACTLY like WCW in 2000 :shifty: :wtf: :nono:

[Kane Knight]

They need a few more knockoff characters too.

Where'd Amazing Red go?

[The Greater Power]

Is this TNA 2 hour special supposed to air on TV tonight or something?