Is it me, or are 99% of the heels in the WWE the "cowardly heel" type?

[Kane Knight]

Almost every heel on the roster seems to be a total chickenshit. It's boring, because almost every heel tactic seems to follow the same MO right about now.

[Nark Order]

I know, pisses me off. Why is Trips the only one that's allowed to be 'super badass dominant megaheel"?

[Funky Fly]

Even he goes chickenshit from time to time.

[Kane Knight]

I think that question was rehtorical.

Anyway, he's not alone, since Angle gets to be pretty badass most of the time. Just almost alone.

[Shadow]

....I never noticed it till now. Wow...

Makes me apperciate TNA even more.

[Kane Knight]

Even he goes chickenshit from time to time.

Yeah, but at least he's not always talking big then chickening out.

[Kane Knight]

....I never noticed it till now. Wow...

Makes me apperciate TNA even more.

Does TNA have heels? :?:

[Shadow]

It changes every week. But yeah, they got heels.

[Destor]

JBL(kind of,) Reagal, Burchill, and the Mexicools aren't total chicken shit heels. Lame example, but they're the best I can come up with.

[Kane Knight]

The MExicools are still heels? :?:

Coulda fooled me.

[Kane Knight]

And JBL was a great example of a chickenshit heel.

[Destor]

He doesn't run in every confrontation. I have seen him stand and fight/win matches cleanly on several occasions. But yeah, bad example.

[Kane Knight]

JBL's not always a coward, but most of his fights he ran or simply "survived" the fight by evading.

[PullMyFinger]

TNAs heels get terrible cheers...

abyssssssss oooooooooooooooo abyssssssssss

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, seriously, I thought "You suck" and "we want Matt" were unimaginative.

[redoneja]

What about Helms? Challenging a 350 lb man doesnt seem to cowardly.

[Kane Knight]

Challenging a fulltime jobber to a fight? Real ballsy. Hey, wasn't he trying to get out of there during parts of that match?

[McLegend]

At least he didn't grab the tights or the ropes to win.

That's always a good thing... Right?

[V]

yeah it's annoying

i never understood why they challenge for title matches and then run away until the actual match

they made lesnar so afraid of hardcore that he used big show as a body guard :nono:

[Destor]

Challenging a fulltime jobber to a fight? Real ballsy. Hey, wasn't he trying to get out of there during parts of that match?
No doubt, to the smark that it looks like a no brainier, Helms is gonna win. But to a channel surfer seeing this little guy topple the 350 pounder is quite a task.

*edit*

I don't remember seeing him run away, but he did go out to the floor to catch a breather. Wrestlings version of a time out. Not really cowardly, just not sportsman like.

[Savio]

The Cowboys called out the tag champs. IMO they are doing it less now.

[Kane Knight]

No doubt, to the smark that it looks like a no brainier, Helms is gonna win. But to a channel surfer seeing this little guy topple the 350 pounder is quite a task.

Of course, having one match since his heel turn, I don't really find this to be that indicitive of anything yet anyway. Hell, even Hassan had a brave moment once in a while.

[Destor]

True.

[Kane Knight]

The Cowboys called out the tag champs. IMO they are doing it less now.

So it looks like:

Regal/Burchill
The Mexicools (If you still wanna call them heels)
The Hurricane
and Cade/Murdoch aren't chickenshit heels. If I missed anyone, lemme know (Provided it's not people like JBL, who are).

They're still not exactly a large body of people, all are in relatively new gimmicks, and all of them are undercarders with little exposure. Unless some of them turn into regulars on Raw and continue to be booked as ballsy, I'm not ready to call this trend broken.

[Kane Knight]

True.

He COULD be strong, it's just that almost every heel gets booked strong for about 15 seconds, before being fed to Holly/Cena/Taker/whoever.

[Nark Order]

Speaking of chickenshit heels...

Is the 'grab ropes pin" just Carlito's new finishing move now? It seems that he wins every match with it.

[Destor]

Thats not likely. He's to small to be a bad ass heel. (to KK)

[Savio]

I haven't watched Smackdown in a while but what about RKO and Kennedy?

[Kane Knight]

I haven't watched Smackdown in a while but what about RKO and Kennedy?

Orton is a TOTAL chickenshit heel, who needs his dad to be involved in almost every match. He talks shit, then gets the "limbertail" at a moment's notice.

Kennedy usually got the cheap win, and barely survived the match. I think against S2H was the only time I saw him with a clean, STRONG win, and that was against SCOTTY...A jobber from MAINE...I suppose Jobber was redundant in that case. He's pulled sucker punch, hit and run tactics (Though how he fared with Holly, I don't know...Didn't care about the PPV).

[Destor]

I haven't watched Smackdown in a while but what about RKO and Kennedy?
Orton- he only cheats when his when his back is into a corner, so I would say no he is not a chicken shit heel. Generally he starts shit with faces and backs it up.

Kennedy- I don't think I have seen him cheat to win (probably wrong though.) I know he hasn't ran from a fight. Holly beat him down and he slithered away but I don't think that counts as he ran after he lost instead of just running.

I would say both of these count, and should be added to the list.

*side note*

Notice that Helms aside none of these are on RAW? Also note it is too early to decide what kind of heel Helms is going to be. Could this have anything to do with H wanting to be the only 'Bad-ass hell' on his show? Not to cry conspiracy or anything.

*edit*
KK already owned my argument. :(

[Taker Fan]

I'd like it if Orton kept his Evolution heel tactics when he went solo (spitting in face, slaps, and confidence)

[Kane Knight]

I'd like it if Orton kept his Evolution heel tactics when he went solo (spitting in face, slaps, and confidence)

I wish he had. One of the things I hate on Smackdown is seeing Orton be a pussy. As a cocky heel, he kicked ass. As the guy who needs dad's help to win matches, and whose mind games fail, he's about as entertaining as sorting through used tampons.

[Shadow]

I wish he had. One of the things I hate on Smackdown is seeing Orton be a pussy. As a cocky heel, he kicked ass. As the guy who needs dad's help to win matches, and whose mind games fail, he's about as entertaining as sorting through used tampons.

And some of those tampons contain full blown AIDs.

Conisidently...all of them belong to Rhi.

[Destor]

I wish he had. One of the things I hate on Smackdown is seeing Orton be a pussy. As a cocky heel, he kicked ass. As the guy who needs dad's help to win matches, and whose mind games fail, he's about as entertaining as sorting through used tampons.
I think a lot of people liked him when he was cocky, and winning matches cleanly. And I think thats the problem. He wasn't getting enough heat, it was kind of mixed (mostly due to his female fan-base.) Pairing him with daddy has made him more hate-able. Unfortunately I find myself wanting more from him as a heel, leaving me un-entertained, but the guy does get some of the best heat on SD!. Chicken-shit or not.

*question*
When writing SD! at the end of a sentence, do you follow it with a period?

[Favre4Ever]

Whats funny is that as soon as Cena goes heel, he'll be ducking out of the ring and running away from fights, and when Orton goes face, he'll always step up to the challenge, over come the odds, blah blah blah. Pick a new fucking system, WWE.

[Funky Fly]

And some of those tampons contain full blown AIDs.

Conisidently...all of them belong to Rhi.
A) It's "coincidently".

2) Rhiannon jokes in the wrestling forum won't fly, sorry.

[Destor]

Whats funny is that as soon as Cena goes heel, he'll be ducking out of the ring and running away from fights, and when Orton goes face, he'll always step up to the challenge, over come the odds, blah blah blah. Pick a new fucking system, WWE.
This is very true. I spoke with Jim Cornett once upon as time and he told me one of the things that annoyed him the most was how guys change the attitude when they do the 'turn'. Whether it be Heel OR Baby. People expect you to really be like this charector you're playing, just because they boo you or cheer you does not mean you should change your attitude, unless there is a stroyline that dictates said change. You can get people to boo or cheer (respectively) the same things they were giving the appropriate response to prior if done correctly. If heel you embellish the things they used to loved and make as if you are doing them to spite the audience. If you baby do the thing you were doing just play to the crowd before you do them. JC is the man to talk to for wrestling knowledge I tells ya. Great guy. The short conversation I had with nearly changed my entire outlook on psychology and how I play the crowd.

[PullMyFinger]

Yeah, I remember when SCSA turned heel. He suddenly turned into a coward?! I was like wtf.

[Destor]

Yeah, I remember when SCSA turned heel. He suddenly turned into a coward?! I was like wtf.
They HAD to there. The crowd was still cheering him (not to mention they started to cheer H and Vince by association.) They had them beat the shit out of the Hardy Boys AND Lita and they popped. A radical change in his character was the only solution to make it work. That,to me, is the only instance that I respected the choice for a radical change in character (that was unprovoked,) it was the only way to get heat. Exceptions to every rule.

[PullMyFinger]

They HAD to there. The crowd was still cheering him (not to mention they started to cheer H and Vince by association.) They had them beat the shit out of the Hardy Boys AND Lita and they popped. A radical change in his character was the only solution to make it work. That,to me, is the only instance that I respected the choice for a radical change in character (that was unprovoked,) it was the only way to get heat. Exceptions to every rule.
That is true. But when I got pissed, it wasn't at SCSA, but I thought it was absurd.

[Corkscrewed]

Well, they just screwed themselves by having him turn heel in the first place. That's where they went wrong.

[Destor]

Well, they just screwed themselves by having him turn heel in the first place. That's where they went wrong.
Yeah, probably right there. But they had to try it some time. It just didn't pan out well. I think its safe to assume that Austin getting tired of being baby and wanted a change, and on paper thats the biggest thing to happen in wrestling up to that point. "Austin turned heel? What? He joined up with McMahon? What?" It didn't pan out because he was already working heel and being booked face. That and maybe the pairing with McMahon was a bit to much much for the viewer. Asking the audience to believe that SCSA would put the past history between him and McMahon behind just for the title, after they had infested so much time and emotion into him, was a bit much.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Benoit was never a cowardly heel.
Kane never was, either was the Big Show.

Batista never was.

[Destor]

Not sure, but I think we are talking about now. Good examples if not.

[Kane Knight]

I think a lot of people liked him when he was cocky, and winning matches cleanly. And I think thats the problem. He wasn't getting enough heat, it was kind of mixed (mostly due to his female and fag fan-base.) Pairing him with daddy has made him more hate-able. Unfortunately I find myself wanting more from him as a heel, leaving me un-entertained, but the guy does get some of the best heat on SD!. Chicken-shit or not.

*question*
When writing SD! at the end of a sentence, do you follow it with a period?

Fixed your sentence.

Well, they played him up the middle most of the time. It's easier to get mixed reactions when you're a mixed wrestler. honestly, before he made me want to hate him. Now I'm just wanting him to like get herpes and see his face explode in the vaccuum of space because at least that would be entertaining.

Getting the most heat on Smackdown, which lacks many major heel players (Especially with the way Eddie's been going and the loss of Mister Charisma's piped in heat), not saying much. Especially against the Undertaker. that's like expecting someone to boo Austin for hitting a Stunner.

And I don't use a period, for the same reason you don't when you finish a quote with an exclamation point or question mark. However, since the show should be in quotes or underscored or somethign (Can't remember how you source a TV show in writing), not sure it makes a diff if we use improper grammar.

[Kane Knight]

Not sure, but I think we are talking about now. Good examples if not.

Yeah, I thought the reference to the present tense and only mentioning current folks would kind of indicate I was talking the current roster. Kane was a monster (Though pushed like shit...RAR! I"M UNSTOPPABLE FOR A WEEK!), but was often a de facto face to begin with. Show hasn't been heel in a long time, and Benoit hasn't been a heel in recent times either.

Booker it's hard to tell yet, since his actual turn has been so short lived officially. In case anyone brings him up. He's kinda like Helms, where he MIGHT be another strong heel, but it's too early to really tell. Cheating doesn't necessarily make you a coward...Look at Eddie (Before this last turn...)

And I still think there had to have been a better way to turn Austin. If not, they shouldn't have turned him.

[Kane Knight]

So I watched SD! tonight, and I'm still wondering how the Mexicools are heels. The WWE doesn't even bother to edit the pops they get.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

The mexicools aren't heels anymore as far as I know.


So let's see, Kurt Angle and HHH on Raw. What about Edge? Is he a coward, or more self-preserving. In a match, he doesn't act like a coward.

Randy Orton on Smackdown (Yeah, his dad helps him, but he's not really cowardly, just determined.)

[Kane Knight]

The mexicools aren't heels anymore as far as I know.


So let's see, Kurt Angle and HHH on Raw. What about Edge? Is he a coward, or more self-preserving. In a match, he doesn't act like a coward.

Randy Orton on Smackdown (Yeah, his dad helps him, but he's not really cowardly, just determined.)Angle and HHH have been mentioned not to be cowardly already. Edge is still a chickenshit heel, and Orton definitely is (He runs from viable threats even with his dad to back him up...That's not determined, that's bedwetting).

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Angle and HHH have been mentioned not to be cowardly already. Edge is still a chickenshit heel, and Orton definitely is (He runs from viable threats even with his dad to back him up...That's not determined, that's bedwetting).

See, I think there's a difference between cowardly in the ring and cowardly outside the ring. 9 times out of 10, Orton and Edge are pretty determined and head on in the ring, as opposed to someone like Carlito who wrestles cowardly in his matches. Kerwin to.

So yeah, out of the ring, they may be cowardly, but not really in the ring.

[Kane Knight]

See, I think there's a difference between cowardly in the ring and cowardly outside the ring. 9 times out of 10, Orton and Edge are pretty determined and head on in the ring, as opposed to someone like Carlito who wrestles cowardly in his matches. Kerwin to.

So yeah, out of the ring, they may be cowardly, but not really in the ring.

Orton backs down from legitimate threats in or out of the ring. Edge isn't exactly a fighting man's champ either.