Why TNA will never make it / Their lack of simple logic.

[PullMyFinger]

Okay...how does this make any sense? Monty Brown and Jeff Hardy wrestler in a contenders match at Genesis...Brown wins...I assumed he would be the #1 contender at Turning Point. Wrong! Rhino somehow gets the shot?!?!

Wtf? (Note: I haven't read spoilers into next week, so I'm assuming it's still Jarrett vs. Rhino and not a three way)

[Destor]

The lack of simple logic hasn't stopped the WWE from getting somewhere.

[PullMyFinger]

That's true.

Then again, at least when WWE has a contenders match, the winner of that usually goes on to battle the champ.

[RemyRed]

I asked on the TNA forums. One person said it was just a contendor's match, not a number one contendors match. It sounds just about TNA to me so whatever.

[Destor]

I'm sure I've already said this, but TNA can't book anything right. I don't why this would be any different.

[PullMyFinger]

I asked on the TNA forums. One person said it was just a contendor's match, not a number one contendors match. It sounds just about TNA to me so whatever.
Yeah, it does. It makes no sense.

[Xero]

I asked on the TNA forums. One person said it was just a contendor's match, not a number one contendors match. It sounds just about TNA to me so whatever.
Okay, let's have Rhino win his match at Turning Point. Clean. Have them end the PPV with him holding up the title.

Next Impact, Jarrett comes out with the title with no explanation and Rhino is jobbing to Shannon Moore.

TNA Forum Member: It was just a Title match, not a Championship match. He won the title of being able to be called "Rhino", he didn't win a championship.

Smark: Why did he hold the title up at the end?

TNA Forum Member: He thought it was pretty and shiny and was admiring Jeff's hard work.

[Xero]

By the way, I can't be assed to join the TNA forums (just yet), but what do they think of Jarrett? Do they see him as TNA's Triple H?

[RemyRed]

They hate him and think he's a cancer to the company (most of the posters anyway). However there are still some people who say he's "not that bad" and say he's a great heel.

[McLegend]

Yeah that honestly made no sense how Rhino is number 1 contender. Either way though fans will be happy with Rhino getting another shot.

I guess

[RemyRed]

Did he even pin Jarrett in the main event for Genesis? I guess that would cause for SOME logic, but still the pointless moniker of "Contendor's Match" threw everyone off.

[BigDaddyCool]

TNA has fans?

[PullMyFinger]

By the way, I can't be assed to join the TNA forums (just yet), but what do they think of Jarrett? Do they see him as TNA's Triple H?
They don't like him, but they still have that whole "cater to the net fans" mentality...or some shite format of it.

[samichna]

What the hell is TNA?

[Loose Cannon]

Jeff Jarrett :love:

[vampiro03]

I'm kind of sick of the endings for the shows. for 4 weeks streight, jarrett came out, hit someone with a 6-string and "big sexy's" music would hit. he would walk down to the ring and either the camera would cut off or they would start fighting and then the camera would cut off. the SAME ending in like 4 shows. I started yawning. wow here comes nash or the dudleys what a suprise

[Shaggy]

They did the same thing with Abyss like two months ago. They had him have a number 1 contenders match against Monty Brown I think...then after Abyss won he never got a shot and they pretended like it didnt happen because I think they had a bigger star come in for a shot. Then at the next ppv they had Abyss Vs Jeff Hardy for the Contenders match...Abyss won...and then after all the damn hype they had his title match on Impact...what a waste

[Kane Knight]

If people watch TNAonce, they will watch it again and again.

[Funky Fly]

Who is booking TNA right now?

[RemyRed]

Scott D'Amore.

[Ruien]

I enjoyed the 3-D and other guys (The heels) little segment. Wasn't a bad tag team match also (3-D was not involved), sorry I have no idea what the name of the people are. 3-D came out after the match.

The Christian and Monty Brown (Name right?) segment, although Christian should have kicked his ass since it was his debuted. I did like the Pounce move though.

One guy, the like Undertaker type guy seems really stupid though. Turned my t.v. off when I seen him come out.

[Skippord]

NEXT CHAMPION Sharkboy

[Skippord]

I enjoyed the 3-D and other guys (The heels) little segment. Wasn't a bad tag team match also (3-D was not involved), sorry I have no idea what the name of the people are. 3-D came out after the match.

The Christian and Monty Brown (Name right?) segment, although Christian should have kicked his ass since it was his debuted. I did like the Pounce move though.

One guy, the like Undertaker type guy seems really stupid though. Turned my t.v. off when I seen him come out.

Abyss is The Balls

[Sting Fan]

Just to add a little something it was stipulated both on the Impact before the last PPV and at the last PPV that it was a contenders match and it was stipulated not a number on contenders match.

I am pretty sure it was Zybysko that stipulated that. I think the idea is that it was a match to catch the championship committes eye and put themselves in the scene not necesarily be top contender. Still stupid but it makes a small deifference.

Now if TNA had a top five (do they) and it affected rankings on that it would have made much more sense.

[PullMyFinger]

Just to add a little something it was stipulated both on the Impact before the last PPV and at the last PPV that it was a contenders match and it was stipulated not a number on contenders match.

I am pretty sure it was Zybysko that stipulated that. I think the idea is that it was a match to catch the championship committes eye and put themselves in the scene not necesarily be top contender. Still stupid but it makes a small deifference.

Now if TNA had a top five (do they) and it affected rankings on that it would have made much more sense.
They do have a top 5.

It doesn't make any fucking sense, and it's stupid.

Also, if I'm annoyed, confused, and bored with it...how will a casual fan like it?

Oh wait, according to one fan on tna's board, "a casual fan will flip the channel on and say, WOW! THIS IS REALLY COOL! IM GOING TO WATCH THIS!" and as KK said about Sadistic...once you watch TNA youll watch it "again and again and again." LOL

[Loose Cannon]

I thought the Christian/Brown segment was done well. If it didn't end the show, I would of thought different. But it was cool how they ended with a Pounce and kind of left you wanting to see Christian get revenge.

TNA has got some thinking to do with the World Title scene. You got Christian,. who's obviously more over then anyone. You got Raven, who's been doing this screwjob thing. You got Brown, who's suppossed to be #1 contender. You got Jarrett, who just jobbed to Rhino a month ago, so do you wanna even take the Title off him again so quick?

I think it's between Xtian and Monty. But you're just sacrificing one for the other when both should be getting the Title right now, so it's a tough call.

[Loose Cannon]

oh and Rhino is there too, but he'll job to JJ again to give Jarrett at least another win before he'll possibly drop it.

[The Gooch]

Honestly I thought the Xtian segment on Impact sucked balls. Here is a new guy with instant credibility that the fans are eating up and he gets totally punked out. If it would have been a cheap shot I'd be OK with that, but it wasn't. The segment blew my mind away at how idiotic it was from a booking standpoint. I hate yelling stupid at my tv, but that is what I was doing.

No disrespect to Brown of course.

[Loose Cannon]

Wasn't idiotic. Obviously Christian came in bigger then everyone else. Why would you take one of your top two homegrown stars and punk him out right away? You want to make him look equal to Christian and they accomplished that. It's not like he beat the shit out of Christian. Christian made one mistake and got caught. He's never been in there with Monty before, so it was a "first and only time" kind of mistake.

[snakeboss]

Why wont TNA ever make it?

Two Words:

Jeff Jarret.

[Vastardikai]

^ What he said.

[The Gooch]

Wasn't idiotic. Obviously Christian came in bigger then everyone else. Why would you take one of your top two homegrown stars and punk him out right away? You want to make him look equal to Christian and they accomplished that. It's not like he beat the shit out of Christian. Christian made one mistake and got caught. He's never been in there with Monty before, so it was a "first and only time" kind of mistake.

I didn't say I wanted Brown to get punked out either. I thought it was stupid to have them in that confrontational situation to begin with. Christian does not need to be in the ring with one of the top guys right now, so why rush it? Have him look strong and come up the ladder. Have him talk his smack to the champ while he is doing it.

Traditional wrestling has always had new people come in and booked to look strong. I know that TNA likes to do things differently, but I don't know why they would mess with a formula that works. My opinion anyways.

[PullMyFinger]

I say Monty should get the title...and create a huge feud against Christian...which will end at Slammaversary....it'll equal ratings.

[loopydate]

TNA has got some thinking to do with the World Title scene. You got Christian,. who's obviously more over then anyone. You got Raven, who's been doing this screwjob thing. You got Brown, who's suppossed to be #1 contender. You got Jarrett, who just jobbed to Rhino a month ago, so do you wanna even take the Title off him again so quick?

IMO, a tournament would have been an excellent idea going into Turning Point. They have a multitude of "top" contenders, so set up a tournament. They have three episodes of Impact before TP, so an eight-man tournament would work. Christian Cage, Rhino, Raven, Abyss, Monty Brown, Jeff Hardy, Kevin Nash and, oh, let's say Kip James. This sets up three weeks' worth of marquee matchups on Impact and makes the fans actually care about the contender selection process instead of looking like they're just pulling names out of a hat.

[BigDaddyCool]

I have few questions, besides for Jeff Jarrett, who is heel and who if face? I figure Jeff is the only heel that gets a heel reaction.

Also, how many times as Jeff Jarrett held the title, has it already been 5+ title runs? Is Jeff trying to force everyone to look at him as the second coming of Ric Flair?

[Loose Cannon]

I didn't say I wanted Brown to get punked out either. I thought it was stupid to have them in that confrontational situation to begin with. Christian does not need to be in the ring with one of the top guys right now, so why rush it? Have him look strong and come up the ladder. Have him talk his smack to the champ while he is doing it.

Traditional wrestling has always had new people come in and booked to look strong. I know that TNA likes to do things differently, but I don't know why they would mess with a formula that works. My opinion anyways.

I disagree with making Christian climb a ladder. I would toss him right into the Title picture right now. He's already climbed the ladder just by being a known name in the WWF. He's won how many tag titles, IC Titles, European Titles. You don't want to let him hang around in some mid-card feud when he's on fire. That's how you screw guys up. AKA RVD.

He's been booked real strong so far coming off that PPV with a beating up a few heels and he just took one fall from one of TNA's top guys. No big deal. It made Monty be put on Christian's level. Brown and Christian have pretty good chemistry with their mic work and that's why they are in a feud to begin with.

[mrslackalack]

Yeah many people in TNA switch from face to heel alot in TNA. Also Sonny Siaki was their number 2 heel at one point in their history. Now hes jobbing in quick matches to AMW and Abyss.

[loopydate]

I have few questions, besides for Jeff Jarrett, who is heel and who if face?

Near as I can tell, here's how the roster is being booked:

Face
AJ Styles
BG James
Chase Stevens
Chris Sabin
Christian Cage
Christopher Daniels (I guess after the Samoa Joe incident)
Jackie Gayda (hasn't debuted, but she'll be a face)
Jeff Hardy
Jerrelle Clark
Jerry Lynn
Kevin Nash
Kip James
Konnan
Lance Hoyt
Matt Bentley
Rhino
Ron Killings
Sabu
Sean Waltman
Shark Boy
Shocker
Sonjay Dutt
Sonny Siaki
Team 3D
Traci

Tweener
Cassidy Riley
Raven

Heel
A1
Abyss
Alex Shelley
Bobby Roode
Chris Harris
David Young
Eric Young
Gail Kim
James Mitchell
James Storm
Jeff Jarrett
Johnny Devine
Petey Williams
Primetime
Roderick Strong
Samoa Joe
Simon Diamond

[hb2k]

One of the big things I dislike about TNA, is, just like on FSN, everything is so damn rushed that nothing has an impact (ironically). Angles mean nothing because they are blown through so fast....

[The One]

Yeah many people in TNA switch from face to heel alot in TNA. Also Sonny Siaki was their number 2 heel at one point in their history. Now hes jobbing in quick matches to AMW and Abyss.

Well Siaki started to suck. When he was Rock V. 2.0, it was fun. He was actually a threat. Then he got injured, came back, did jack shit, and is quite simply a shadow of his former self. No shock there. Actually not pushing Siaki is one of the few things I give credit to TNA for. He went down hill and his push went with it.

As for the non-sense booking. You guys are totally correct. The problem is that they have these ideas, and as soon as you expect them to fallow through with them someone new walks in, the entire landscape of the promotion changes, they feel they need to hold off on pushing someone, etc. They are quite actually the world largest Indie fed. For those of you who fallow indie wrestling alot, you know that sometimes title changes happen and there is a new champ without any notice. It happens, and it's because of the revolving door with the talent. Now as to why Monty Brown isn't getting his title shot, as pointed out before that Abyss hasn't gotten his either, is that they see these guys are huge (potential) draws. They don't want to jump the gun and give them a title shot and either A) make them look week, or B) give them the title too soon. Now is it right? Hell no, and as a fan who actually fallows this, it pisses me off. I think they will continue to let Abyss and Brown win #1 Contender matches for as long as it takes before people really start to get behind them. Reeking of WCW yet? Yeah it is. And it smells like shit.

Now if Sadistic was here he might argue that, "who cares about the story lines, the matches are good." Maybe true, actually with TNA it is a lot of hit or miss (unlike WWE where all matches are usually in the 3 star range...TNA goes from 4 to 1 all night long). But this is Pro Wrestling, if you want just a shit load of good matches, stop watching the shows and just get "Best Of..." tapes and DVDs. Knock-Knock idiot! There is a reason those don't sell very well. What is the reason? Shockingly, because nobody knows why the matches are happening. It's like watching the big shoot out at the end of a movie without knowing jack-shit about the characters. Hell maybe it's visually stimulating, but you don't give a fuck about anyone. And that is where TNA's problem is...

You can't keep leading on all these people with storylines that go no where. Worse yet, you can't have Planet Jarrett rule your world. We get it. He is the number one bad guy. We will boo him. You don't need him to be involved with every god damn mother fucking storyline. WWE storylines are shit. But at least they see the shit to the end. After the angle is dropped it is never mentioned again and we "forget" it ever happened. Fans can except that. Look no further then Kane to see that. He is over, he is burned, not burned, can talk, can't talk, Undertaker step/half/full brother, he has hair, wait no it a wig, hates Edge and Matt Hardy, doesn't really mind either and goes out for drinks with them. The biggest problem is Jeff Jarrett. Now this is coming from a guy who actually enjoys Jarrett on the mic and in the ring. Not to mention he can pull in some big heat. BUT, unlike Triple H, he doesn't have a history of coming through in the end. When Triple H drops the belt, he creates a star. Batista was barley a note worth person before Triple H had him, now he is a bonified main eventer. We all know the title is going to head home to Triple H's waist eventually, but in the mean time there are stars being born from his once in again title drops. Jarrett drops the title and within a month he gets it back. He doesn't lose the title, lose a title re-match, and allow them to have a few months on top, it's like a freak accident when Jarrett lays down. And in TNA lightning never strikes twice (except for when AJ fights him, for some reason every single heavyweight lays down for Jarrett, but they can all be AJ, who is the only one who can beat Jeff).

TNA can make it's mark in history. I believe that. They don't even need to beat WWE in any measurable way to make a mark. But they won't. Since TNA's inception, it has tried to prove to the world it was a big boy. NEWS FLASH, to be a big boy you need YEARS of history OR a shit load of money. You have neither. Look no further then ECW to see that. They never booked like a big boy, they started to promote like a Big Boy, but they offered a different style of booking. You need to do the same. ECW didn't care if only 400 people saw a title change, the belt still switched hands. They didn't care if the epside were someone was announced #1 contender was viewed by less people then Heat, they still acknowledged their choices. TNA is making a mistake by assuming they don't need to fallow through with everything until they get some marks on board. Hell please the smarts (who have a history of remembering annoying little details) and once you win them over they spread the world to their mark friends. TNA can not, CAN NOT win this battle to become a Big Boy by acting like one. They need to realise that their only chance is by word of mouth, and to get people talking, you need to offer great matches, and please the fans you have. A few sMARKS will make up excuses for your lack of vision, but the real fans have no patients and no desire to bring more fans to a product that is so filled with gapping wholes. Hell that makes us look like morons.

Basically what I am trying to say is...quit fucking around, and give us a reason to give a shit about you.

[Vastardikai]

First off, it's follow, not fallow. However, in TNA's case, "Fallow" does tend to apply.

Second of all, you said everything I think when I think about what brings TNA down: Jeff Jarrett, Lack of Direction, Jeff Jarrett, Lack of Character Development, Jeff Jarrett, Think too highly of itself, Jeff Jarrett, and... of course, the main reason for TNA's troubles: Jeff Jarrett

[RemyRed]

Tweener
Cassidy Riley
Raven

Cassidy Riley :love:. That man became everyone's favorite wrestler for a few seconds when he saved Raven from the guitarshot at ....No Surrender? I forget which PPV but it was the tag match main event. Shit if only Raven would have pinned Jarrett there.