One Mans Reaction to racial slur on Survivor Series

[Destor]

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>I would have expected more from you on this topic than just a glance, and I'm a bit disappointed Mr.Meltzer, b/c I hold you in such high esteem.

I'm sure that sum may have just gaped in shock others may have brushed it off as simply Vince being Vince.

But as a African American my only reaction to Vince's comment to John Cena was exactly what Booker T did and that's kinda scary. I was so dumbfounded by the out and out idiocy of such a comment that all I could think was....Tell me he didn't just say that.

Is Vince McMahon racist I doubt it, is Vince ignorant or an uneducated swine, no. Is Vince one of those who believe in the Nigger and Nigg-A concept....maybe.

You could make an argument that Vince thought it was okay to say niggA, b/c that sterotypical slang is okay, but then again stereotypes are the bread and butter of black wrestlers by looking at the number of active black wrestlers to those who are given a push in a major company with out being stereotyped.

On my list I got Lashley, and Shelton Benjamin. I mean Rock was in the nation, same could be said for Farooqu but he did get the big strap in WCW. Booker T plays Chicken George even with out the Harlem Heat deal, Teddy Long does not talk like that in real life at least not when I've met him, and Monty Brown is nothing more than a Jimmy Rooster act. And I'm not even touching Mark Henry, or D'lo or the trash they did with Scorpio and GodFather.

But then again this isn't really about stereotyping wrestlers b/c that's just what a small minded booker is going to do, just like anyone else who doesn't know diddle about something they will grasp to the most stereotypical molds. (see Mexican, Japanese, or foreign wrestlers)

I don't think what Vince said last night is anything to go on a march about, or to start protesting, quite frankly Katie Vick still puts this type of thing to shame.

But I don't think it should be overlooked at what happened. Vince set this whole thing up himself, first having the plain to see white John Cena who is of course doing a street image with a hip hop edge to it. So Vince is playing on the whole wigger concept of whites who act....black, even though that concept is even more offensive b/c it suggests that talking ignorant, wearing garish and sometimes ugly clothing and being loud and obnoxious, and oh yes flashing bling all over the place is the hallmark of your average black man.

But I digress, so Cena is playing wigger so Vince plays into it by using a bit of "slang" type talk and getting real "jive" in his mannerisms, then he throws out the line and walks away with either his typical strut or his attempt at a "ghetto stride" then to safely put it into context he makes sure to get himself a black man in there sort of to sanction the comment.

Meaning that Vince all along knew this was going to be offensive, and he knew it was going to be controversial and he knew it was going to make people go what the hell. B/c I promise you despite popular belief or what Carlos Mencia, or Dave Chapelle say or might like to think, people using the N word is still justifiable reason to kick someone's ass on the spot no questions asked.

Its bad enough that a vibrant and meaningful art form inherent to black culture is considered accurately represented by low life, ignorant, uneducated, dancing puppets we call rappers, who perpetuate completely degrading and utterly offensive images of who black people are today in America, and so they can get on a CD and shout out Nigger 50 times before they ever get to the second song, and people assume all black folks find this word socially acceptable.

But that's a HUGE misnomer, Nigger, Nigga, Nucca, Nagro, My Niga they are all offensive and any self respecting African American would not tolerate the use of a name directly designed to degrade and disrespect us as human beings.

Only complete idiots and wastes of space who spend their time rolling blunts instead of going to school or getting a job think that term is okay and I have gotten into more than one fight with another black b/c he thought it was okay to call me niggA.

And this is I'm sure why Vince did it, not b/c he was bumping Young Jeezy or 50 cent or whoever the next cookie cutter monkey with a base line is, but b/c he saw the use of niggA as acceptable and made him hip and daring.

Well it was most certainly daring I'll give him that, the real problem was not Vince saying it. But in why he would think to say it.

If you watch most "black" entertainment in this modern day it is created by white people. BET is owned and run by white people, most "hood" movies are written and produced by white people, the whole concept of what is black in America is still created by white people.

The movie Hollywood Shuffle by Robert Townsend is a comedy that skewers the black actor's stereotypes in Hollywood at the time. However it still holds true today sum 15 years later and its scary. Sure blacks no longer play the Pimps and Chicken George's, now their relegated to gangster, thug, druggie, rapist, killer, convict, or athlete...(well we kinda did that to ourselves but still).

And for every Rock who did break clean of that stereotype image, there is a Monty Brown, for every Shelton Benjamin there is a Booker T, and its not like now a days is better than the past, is there any difference b/c u can look at Koko, or JYD or Slick (remember him) with only Virgil being the exception that comes to mind right now and that's only after he PLAYED A SERVANT!!

And while Monty and Booker and the rest in the end are over and stay over b/c of their talent, it was some cock of the walk rooster act, or ghetto talking bug eyed deal, or uncle tom act that got them there.

Its hard as an African American who has grown up watching wrestling to stomach that this is the only real images that are given of black athletes in the industry I love. The argument for Ahmed Johnson's and guys like Lashly is that they are big bodies so creative doesn't fall back on racial stereotypes b/c being big monsters sells better.

But it is sometimes hurtful to see not only that this is all bookers can think of but that the general audience of predominately white accept it.

On your site most of the feedback with Survivor Series had ZERO to do with what Vince said. Even you Dave brushed it off as Vince JUST TRYING TO BE HIP!!! but my god he used a word that is completely designed to degrade us to the level of animals.

What would u have said if he said kyke, is that a socially acceptable word, what if it was, what if the only way a Jew in wrestling could get a break is if he was the Kosher Krusher, or the Helacious Heb, or the Da Shnoz, or Mr.Mench(spell check on those). The only way bookers used him as a heel was b/c he was so cheap, or he only looked out for his own. What if that was the sum of Jews in pro-wrestling a bunch of silly and nasty stereotypes, how would u feel if Vince dropped the K bomb and all you had was Barry Horrowitz saying "Oi! did he just say that!"

Here's the point, I'm not going to go as far as to say I'm defending Vince but I will say that you cannot blame Vince for thinking this a cool or hip or comedic thing to do. At least you cant get mad at Vince before you get mad at Hollywood, and even more so before you get mad at the music industry which has done and will continue to do more harm and be more offensive to the image of African Americans in this culture than any one liner Vince is ever going to throw out.

Was it stupid for Vince to say what he said at Survivor Series, yeah it was. Was it offensive...well if it had been Booker-T saying it, the whole thing would still have been controversial, but with Vince saying it, your damn right this was completely offensive.

Should Vince apologize....no he should not, he went out of his way to do something he thought was funny and shocking, he went 1 out of 2 on it and it could have been worse. It is, however, deplorable that an educated, wealthy white man could make such a statement especially being in an atmosphere where he deals with blacks on a daily basis but again, can anyone really say Vince was trying to offend black people with the comment.

What is truly the worse thing about this is that fans think its stupid or lame but they don't see anything morally wrong with the very use of the word by anyone on TV or in a PPV (this extends to guys like Dave Chapelle as well) And that by far, is what makes what Vince said so wrong, and I hope white wrestling fans take note of this not just as wrestling fans but as humans.

Carl Evans
Kigely@cs.com
Chicago, IL

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Discuss

[ThruTheWire]

Well, Vince didn't get where he is by doing non-controversial things....

[RemyRed]

Didn't read but if that guy's offended he needs better things to do.

[Afterlife]

I read your piece. And I'm not at all understanding what your point is.

At first, I was getting confused and a little ticked about why you were so mad at Vince for using...a word. And I thit I was following you when you were talking about Jews and Kykes. ANd then you somehow thot that WE might think you were defending him? I don't follow. But here's what I think.

WWE Creative has templates that they run by. They start new guys with easy gimmicks, and if they do o.k., they build on them or try new things. Hence, the majority of non-American wrestlers start as foreigner heels. Yes, it's stupid to assume that every foreigner in the company hates our country and claims we don't respect theirs. If they hated us, why would they get a job with an American company? Completely stupid. But it's easy to write, it's worked in the past, and you can always drop it later.

The American version of that is to make blacks racist. If you make a white guy racist, the crowd will actually hate him to death -- moreso than Hassan. But if a black guy claims that the whites are all racists, then he can be the victim, the same as Hassan and La Resistance claimed that all of America hated them.

Now, I don't know about any instances of anyone throwing a slur at Hassan, b/c the E was trying to make Americans look like NON-racists, to oppose his views. But I do recall a few commentators throwing 'Frogs' around at the early days of LR. And I might be wrong, but I doubt any "French-Americans" bitched about it.

I'm not condoning Vince using the infamous "N-word", but I'm also not complaining. Firstly, b/c it seemed to me, at first, the he was making light of Cena's wigger persona, secondly b/c everyone who's been watching Booker's heel turn has been waiting for his racial heel turn, and thirdly b/c it's WWE and I don't really care.

And by the way, if you don't know why I've been waiting for the race card to be played, it's b/c Charmin is a former Miss BLACK America. Not that there's a Miss WHITE America, nor are blacks banned from a regular ol' Miss America contest, but the day they pointed that out, Joey Radd and I knew they were going there.

Aside from all that, you stated yourself, several times, that Vince didn't do anything to hurt anybody. He was being a twit and actin' a-fool, pallin' around with Champ, and yes, he used...a word. But that, really is the point here. It's a damn word, and you mentioned Dave Chapelle -- an admitted racist and a comedian whose telecision show I cannot stomache, due to lack of comedy -- and it reminds of what his friend Chris Rock said about 'bad words', which is "There are no bad words, only bad attitudes."

My point? When Rico was around, nobody called him a faggot on air, but if they had, it would not have offended me. It would definitely have surprised me. And I admit, I would hope the guy got beat down if he said it in a heelish way. But had it been:

Rico: Gee, Charlie, you sure are hot.

Charlie: Heh heh, Rico, you're such a fag!

*All laugh*

Then I woulda said wow, and laughed along with the writers.

Not every Arab hates America, not every Gay is a flamer, and no, not every black guy is a ghetto thug. But so what? Stereotypes are there to be exploited -- that's how stupid kids get scholarships. I've done a fair bit of quoting, but you want my advice? Take solice in the words of one Stewart Griffin:

"I'd like to thank the blacks for taking it all in stride." Oh, and relax. It's just wrestling.

[Destor]

I didn't write that. I had a link to the site after it; I went ahead and edited for you so no one else gets confused.

[Afterlife]

Ah. Appreciated.

[Pepsi Man]

That piss-poor writing makes it seem as though you're one of the blunt-rolling dropouts you speak of.

[Destor]

Good response though, Afterlife. Especially the point of how racist it is not to have a Miss White America (or better yet every other ethnicity) and to still allow the Black females to participate in the main one; even though they have segregated their own competition.

[Destor]

That piss-poor writing makes it seem as though you're one of the blunt-rolling dropouts you speak of.

What the hell. The link after all that not enough? No matter, its fixed, I did not write that piece.

[Disturbed316]

What up my nigga!

[Disturbed316]

Nigga-nigga-nigga-nigga-nigga-nigga-nigga-nigga

BLACKMAN!

[Disturbed316]

In all seriousness, people need to lighten up abit. If Booker T said it to Lashley, would there be this much of an outcry?

[Destor]

My honkie!

[Destor]

Where are all the offend white people?

[Kane Knight]

When I went down to NC, my friend (The guy I was visiting) called almost a dozen different black guys nigger. No less, he did this in public, with other "niggers" around.

Are these North Carolinians, like BET and those ghetto movies, "owned by white people?"

[Xero]

Is Vince McMahon racist I doubt it
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/m/markmagnus/10.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/3688/image9pv.gif

Oh no, Vince isn't a racist. No way no how.

[Destor]

The look on Takers face is priceless.

[Afterlife]

Um...I think an Arab being played by an Italian is a little too confusing to be racist.

[Kane Knight]

Um...I think an Arab being played by an Italian is a little too confusing to be racist.

Vince: Mark, we have a great idea for your character. You're going to play a minority, proud of his heritage.

Mark: You mean like the FBI or something? :wtf:

Vince: F...B...I? No, YOUR heritage!

Mark: I'm sorry sir, I don't follow.

Vince: You know, your muslim heritage! What part of the Middle East are you from? Iran? Iraq?

Mark: I'm from Detroit

Vince (To aid): Where in the Hell in Iran is that?

[Xero]

Um...I think an Arab being played by an Italian is a little too confusing to be racist.
The way they presented Hassan (especially towards the end of his run) isn't racist? Then what is it?

[Afterlife]

No...It wasn't. B/c it was two guys. It wasn't a bunch of non-Arab people hating on Arab people. It was two Arab guys clinging to their heritage who felt oppressed by their fellow Americans.

The Un-Americans were racist b/c they were Non-Americans who hated Americans. That's racism. But Chavo complaining about his heritage as Kerwin White wasn't racist...so Hassan and Daivari weren't racist.

[Xero]

No...It wasn't. B/c it was two guys. It wasn't a bunch of non-Arab people hating on Arab people. It was two Arab guys clinging to their heritage who felt oppressed by their fellow Americans.

The Un-Americans were racist b/c they were Non-Americans who hated Americans. That's racism. But Chavo complaining about his heritage as Kerwin White wasn't racist...so Hassan and Daivari weren't racist.
It wasn't racist towards Americans, it was racist towards Arabs, especially when they pulled the terrorist-like angle that got Hassan fired.

Obviously people found it racist and offensive, otherwise Hassan would still be here.

[Destor]

The Un-Americans were racist b/c they were Non-Americans who hated Americans. That's racism. But Chavo complaining about his heritage as Kerwin White wasn't racist...so Hassan and Daivari weren't racist.
I didn't know Americans were a race.

[Xero]

It wasn't racist towards Americans, it was racist towards Arabs, especially when they pulled the terrorist-like angle that got Hassan fired.

Obviously people found it racist and offensive, otherwise Hassan would still be here.
Of course the timing was bad with London and all, but it was still considered racist.

[NoRoolz]

Jesus, 'NIGGA' what's the big deal, Vince was just being Vince, he wasn't aiming to offend anyone. 'Honkey' is used in the Simpsons and in various other childrens programmes, and although I think it's stupid, why can't Vince say 'Nigga' if other people are allowed to say 'Honkey'?

Granted, there's never been a black WWE world champion, but then again there's never been a British World Champion, at least not in the last 20 years, and there's been several British wrestlers more than capable of being Champion. But no-one complains. Hell there's 'racism' against everyone, British people being posh, The Mexicools, La Resistance, Kaientai... it's always gonna be there, just laugh and don't get all pissy about it is what I say.

[Xero]

Granted, there's never been a black WWE world champion,
The Rock was the first and only black WWE champion.

[Afterlife]

See, racism is a tricky thing.

More people are actually afraid to be considered racist than actually ARE racist. Hassan got taken off UPN b/c the network was afraid of being conceived as racist, not b/c they WERE racist. In this case, the term "perception is reality" is apparently on trial again, b/c such is not the case.

You know that part in 'The Nightmare Before Christmas', where Jack is trying to explain Christmas to the monsters, but the monsters don't get it, so he says "I may as well give them what they want,"? Well, Hassan's character was doing just that. "If they're going to call me a camel-riding Anti-American terrorist Arab, then, by Allah, I'll show 'em what one really acts like!". That was his character's mentality. So he was fighting back against alleged racism with what the people made it clear they didn't want him to be.

He was using what they disapproved of to get back at them.

He became...what they said he already was.

It was not racist.

It was racIAL, I'll give you that. It revolved around prejudice. Nationality, religion, that bullshit. But racIST, it was not.

[Kane Knight]

Jesus, 'NIGGA' what's the big deal, Vince was just being Vince, he wasn't aiming to offend anyone. 'Honkey' is used in the Simpsons and in various other childrens programmes, and although I think it's stupid, why can't Vince say 'Nigga' if other people are allowed to say 'Honkey'?

At what point in time has "Honky" ever been considered a slur on par with nigger?

[Kane Knight]

The Rock was the first and only black WWE champion.

How funny I just barely had that convo with someone last night...

[Xero]

See, racism is a tricky thing.

More people are actually afraid to be considered racist than actually ARE racist. Hassan got taken off UPN b/c the network was afraid of being conceived as racist, not b/c they WERE racist. In this case, the term "perception is reality" is apparently on trial again, b/c such is not the case.

You know that part in 'The Nightmare Before Christmas', where Jack is trying to explain Christmas to the monsters, but the monsters don't get it, so he says "I may as well give them what they want,"? Well, Hassan's character was doing just that. "If they're going to call me a camel-riding Anti-American terrorist Arab, then, by Allah, I'll show 'em what one really acts like!". That was his character's mentality. So he was fighting back against alleged racism with what the people made it clear they didn't want him to be.

He was using what they disapproved of to get back at them.

He became...what they said he already was.

It was not racist.

It was racIAL, I'll give you that. It revolved around prejudice. Nationality, religion, that bullshit. But racIST, it was not.
I'm actually not talking about the ACTUAL character and what he stood for, but WHO BOOKED it and WHY they did. It was BOOKED to be racist. Whether it came off that way is another story, but they were clearly going for racism with the terrorist and religious shit.

[Afterlife]

At what point in time has "Honky" ever been considered a slur on par with nigger?

"Nig-GA", not "nig-GER". Huge difference. Nigga's all friendly-like. Nothing ever could come close to the horrible nastiness of saying 'nig-GER'.

[Destor]

At what point in time has "Honky" ever been considered a slur on par with nigger?
So the derogatory white terms aren't good enough to be racist huh? Racist you be. :shifty:

[Afterlife]

Well, Mr. Limit, Perhaps I"ve simply been awake too long (and I"m sure I have) but I fail to see how Hassan was so obviously meant to be nothing but an offensive, hate-driven corporate plot. I see how he was a heel, and how his character was planned, but I don't see how he was an instrument of Vince's Middle-eastern-based loathing. I also don't see why Hassan was even brought up in a discussion about the word 'nigger', but as I said, I"m very sleepy. I concede to you the victory, as I"ve lost interest in trying to make my point.

[Xero]

"Nig-GA", not "nig-GER". Huge difference. Nigga's all friendly-like. Nothing ever could come close to the horrible nastiness of saying 'nig-GER'.
Would you ever see a white person go into Harlem and call everyone "My Nigga"?

If you did, you probably wouldn't see him much longer.

[Kane Knight]

"Nig-GA", not "nig-GER". Huge difference. Nigga's all friendly-like. Nothing ever could come close to the horrible nastiness of saying 'nig-GER'.

Artcifically constructed difference.

[Kane Knight]

Would you ever see a white person go into Harlem and call everyone "My Nigga"?

If you did, you probably wouldn't see him much longer.

Yeah, that's where I was going.

[PullMyFinger]

This niggah thing is ridiculous. People use it all the time...OMG a rich white guy is using it...big fucking deal.

[Kane Knight]

So the derogatory white terms aren't good enough to be racist huh? Racist you be. :shifty:

Actually, I am a racist. I hate humans. They're a race, right? ;)

I'm also a sexist, a homophobe, and I hate all forms of faith. :D

[PullMyFinger]

"Nig-GA", not "nig-GER". Huge difference. Nigga's all friendly-like. Nothing ever could come close to the horrible nastiness of saying 'nig-GER'.
I always thought the concept of this was fucking stupid. But oh well, people use it...so why can't Vince? Oh wait he's white. That's racism in itself right there.

[Xero]

Well, Mr. Limit, Perhaps I"ve simply been awake too long (and I"m sure I have) but I fail to see how Hassan was so obviously meant to be nothing but an offensive, hate-driven corporate plot.
It's the same way with any non/anti-American heel gimmick in the WWE. They play the race card because it sells.

Are you saying that racism had NOTHING to do with this character? Are you saying that the WWE booked the terrorist angle thinking that NO ONE would find it offensive and racist, even though they looked and acted like terrorists?

Whether they were planning on them NOT being terrorists later in the angle is moot, because at that time, they were clearly trying to get cheap heat by running something that can be very real, and something that a lot of (stupid) Americans see as what a real Arab is like.

[Afterlife]

Um...Sarcasm, anyone?

[Afterlife]

It's the same way with any non/anti-American heel gimmick in the WWE. They play the race card because it sells.

Are you saying that racism had NOTHING to do with this character? Are you saying that the WWE booked the terrorist angle thinking that NO ONE would find it offensive and racist, even though they looked and acted like terrorists?

Whether they were planning on them NOT being terrorists later in the angle is moot, because at that time, they were clearly trying to get cheap heat by running something that can be very real, and something that a lot of (stupid) Americans see as what a real Arab is like.

Um, if you're going to make the same points I made, even after I give up on the conversation, could you read my original post, first?

[mrslackalack]

Anyone remember in WCW in Jan or Feb 2001 when Flair got in trouble for making a racial statement at Ernest Miller?

[Kane Knight]

I always thought the concept of this was fucking stupid. But oh well, people use it...so why can't Vince? Oh wait he's white. That's racism in itself right there.

To be fair, it's easy to not assume that a black guy is being racist when he says nigger.

[Destor]

To be fair, it's easy to not assume that a black guy is being racist when he says nigger.
To be fair, I've seen people racist against their own people. As crazy as it sounds.

[Kane Knight]

This niggah thing is ridiculous. People use it all the time...OMG a rich white guy is using it...big fucking deal.

I personally find this to be an indication of just how little "race relations" have chnged since the time of Martin Luther King and the activism that supposedly made equal minorities.

Then again, here I sit from "white privelege" preaching this, so I'm sure I dont' have a lot of credibility.

I find it funny when white peole complain it's unfair they can't say nigger tho.

[Kane Knight]

To be fair, I've seen people racist against their own people. As crazy as it sounds.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Look at black Republicans.

*rimshot*

It happens everywhere. You think that's bad, look at gays. You know how many self-loathing faggots are out there?

[Afterlife]

I frind it droll when people bitch about racism.:roll:

[Afterlife]

You think that's bad, look at gays. You know how many self-loathing faggots are out there?

See? Right there! I don't know KK too well, so I can't say wether he's making a joke or being a douche bag. But the point is, I don't give a damn.

I guess my big problem is I don't see why ppl let "slurs" offend them.

[Destor]

Yeah, but they are faggots. So why be offended?

[Kane Knight]

See? Right there! I don't know KK too well, so I can't say wether he's making a joke or being a douche bag.

Maybe a little of both. ;)

[Stickman]

I think the letter writer is correct in his assessment. I'm a white guy and I completely agree with this guy. I grew up around successful businessmen and you know what, if they ever said the word "Nigger" or "Nigga" they'd lose any credibility they have. It's not ok to say those words. It is an offensive word. That's worse than going around calling everybody "asshole". It's not ok to say asshole but Niga is ok? Give me a break. Like he says, just because you hear god awful performers using it in their act or songs doesn't make it right. The only people I ever hear using the N word in real life are wannabe gansters. Classy people, educated people, decent people don't say it. How many college graduates use those words? That's what I thought.

I'm not going to take offence from Vince saying what he did because I personally do not care. But if I were a black man, you're damn right I'd care. Hence why I agree with the writer.

[Kane Knight]

And Vince's "KMA club," his bare ass on TV, his pulling JR's head out of his ass, his firing people for random reasons, these are the watermarks of a classy, educated, businessman?

[46 & 2]

Only white people can be racist. Just ask Al Sharpton. Seriously, though, all the "sensitivity training" videos out there always feature a white guy asking a black guy about basketball, an Asian guy about directions to a Chinese restaurant (the real kicker - he turns out to be JAPANESE!!!), and a Mexican about burritos. How's that for reverse stereotyping?

On a side note, I read a news story about a black judge with Tourette's syndrome, and he would occassionally (even during court proceedings) yell out "NNNIIIGGGAAAAAAAAA!!!!"

For the most part, I feel people need to lighten the fuck up. Hate speech is hate speech, sure, but jokes are just jokes. Why are black people so tall? Because they're Negroes (their knee grows). Am I spreading hate here? I don't think so.

[NoRoolz]

At what point in time has "Honky" ever been considered a slur on par with nigger?

True, but considering there's no real insult for white people, 'Honky' is about as harsh as it gets, it's a term that is used to insult white people, in the same way 'nigger' is used to insult black people. I know it's not considered a slur as bad as 'nigger' but technically it should be. But still Vince knows how uptight the world is about racism, and was stupid.

Also, I've always looked upon the Rock as white :-\. Well more as a mixed-race but still not 'black' *shrugs*

[Funky Fly]

I understand the guy in Destor's post's feelings on the matter. It's hard to sit and watch jokes like that for some because they know what guys like Afterlife don't: racism is alive and well. And I'm not talking about cross burning ghosts either.

A lot of white people don't realize that they single non-whites out even in the littlest ways. The most common (and obvious) for black people is when a group of guys are shaking hands and when a white guy goes to shake the black guy's hand, he goes for the complex hand shake, instead of a normal one like he did with everyone else.

People don't say "hey look at that guy", they say "look at that black guy". It may be nothing to you, but it's subconscious descrimination that was programmed into you from an early age. Some non-whites can let it go. The guy in Destor's post can't. Because it has greater reaching effects than awkward social situations.

White people, you don't know how good you have it.

[Funky Fly]

BTW, I don't give a shit about SS. Jokes and jokes and jokes, niggers.

[ThruTheWire]

Ahah check this out, Booker calls Hogan a nigga.

http://thatvideosite.com/view/943.html

[Funky Fly]

He got wrapped up in playing a character. Booker wasn't like that through his singles career.

[The Gooch]

Didn't see the PPV.

Hate the N-word no matter who uses it.

I have a hard time saying it or writing it even in an intellectual conversation.

White guilt? Perhaps. I just don't think there is anything cool or liberating about its usage.

I grew up seeing racism being hurled at my sister who is Native. I'm may not have experience the pain of racism personally, but having to witness your little sister coming home all the time crying because of ignorant morons is not very fun.

[Kane Knight]

True, but considering there's no real insult for white people, 'Honky' is about as harsh as it gets, it's a term that is used to insult white people, in the same way 'nigger' is used to insult black people. I know it's not considered a slur as bad as 'nigger' but technically it should be. But still Vince knows how uptight the world is about racism, and was stupid.

Yeah, but that's just it. When you stack the two up, "nigger" looks worse.

Why? 150 years of slavery? Nearly 300 of racism? Hate crimes?

How can that possibly stack up to "Honky?" Honky was used by white folks before it was ever an "insult." "Honkies" never endured oppression under the term.

Me? I'm of two minds on the subject. One, he shouldn't have said it, and that's that. Furthermore, considering the pussy got rid of Hassan for something FAR less blatant, this is just stupid.

Two, While I appreciate the reasons for taking offense, I don't think it does any good to just hold on to the things that hold power over you. If you let shit like that have power over you, it means the racists are winning.

However, you can't ask people to get over racism and oppression overnight, espcially when it still exists. I mean, you can, but it's prety unreasonable.

[BigChris]

In all seriousness, people need to lighten up abit. If Booker T said it to Lashley, would there be this much of an outcry?

Booker T called Hulk Hogan a Nigga once, "Hulk Hogan... Were coming for you Nigga." - Booker T

That guy doesn't even know what he is talking about, I hate this s#$, you wanna talk about racist in Hollywood, go watch Crash. You can call me a cracker, or a honky, or whatever you want, but guess what, I DON'T GIVE A DAMN! So shut up, just because you call me something stupid doesn't mean I have to get all offended. Remember you are talking about a man that think pulling sh#$ out of another man's ass is funny, what did he expect from Vince? I could sit and talk for days about this, contradict everything you say, but I am not going to waste my time, because Smackdown! is now over and I can go dl'd it and watch it, since my damn cable company doesn't carry UPN, and I'd rather do that.

BAM!

[St. Jimmy]

That piss-poor writing makes it seem as though you're one of the blunt-rolling dropouts you speak of.

but kayne west makes millions :naughty:

[Destor]

Crash was about how racist people are, it wasn't being racist but showing us how we are all the same using racism as the tool. Beautiful when you think about it. (BigChris)

[Dorkchop]

Have any balck people posted in this thread, or anyone not white? I'd love to hear their opinion on this subject, and have white guys point out how ok it is to drop the n bomb.

Now on to SS:
I understand the context of the joke. It was meant for Vince to look like a complete fool while trying to act really cool. I understand there was absolutely no intention of it being a racist comment. Personally, I see no harm in the joke. But that's just me. I'm all for pretty much anything being a huge joke.

I'm glad that there were some good points in this thread... Funky Fly and I forget who else.

[Funky Fly]

Have any balck people posted in this thread, or anyone not white?


I'm glad that there were some good points in this thread... Funky Fly and I forget who else.

Me = black.

[Kane Knight]

Have any balck people posted in this thread, or anyone not white?

While I'm half white (Half Native), I still consider myself blacker than Funky Fly.

Anyway, wiseass comments aside, I may not know what it's like to be black, but I know what it's like to be a minority. People die in this country on a disturbingly regular basis for being "faggots," and many of them aren't even actually "faggots." And while I can't tell you exactly what he black experience is, I can guaran-damn-tee you one thing: Each "black" person's response will be different. There is no one reaction for blacks to nigger, any more than there is a gay response to faggot, a Jewish response to Kike, or an asian's response to the 5 million racial slurs they have.

I went down to Pearl Street last week, and got shot some dirty looks for the term "queer." Some gays don't care. Some hate the term. Some use it to ID themselves. And yes, there are blacks that do the same thing, it's called empowerment.

This is one of the reasons I use words like fag so damn often, because the more shit like this is used the less meaning it has and the less power it has over people. However, even some of my own friends disagree with me, and feel that the deaths of people like the iconicised Mathew Shepphard or however it's spelled are reason enough to take this shit seriously.

There is. No agreement. In any. Minority. Period.

We are all people who hold different ideals and different things rub us the wrong way.

[Hired Hitman]

The use of the word "Nigger/Nigga" could offend people, but anything could offend anybody.

If a black guy got called a nigger and complains about it, he sounds like a pussy who can't take an insult, if somebody calls you a name, you call them a name, battle them with wit, once it gets to a limit, punch them if you have to, but don't bitch about it, it wont make a difference. (unless you're not white)


...Who cares what people say, anyway?

[Funky Fly]

If a black guy got called a nigger and complains about it, he sounds like a pussy who can't take an insult[/COLOR]
Once again, white people don't know how good they have it.

You should be lucky if you call a black guy a nigger and all he does is complain. I know a good number of people who would curb stomp you for it.

[Kane Knight]

The use of the word "Nigger/Nigga" could offend people, but anything could offend anybody.

There's a difference between "Could" and "is expected to."

Blue could offend.

Nigger is expected to.

[Afterlife]

I understand the guy in Destor's post's feelings on the matter. It's hard to sit and watch jokes like that for some because they know what guys like Afterlife don't: racism is alive and well. And I'm not talking about cross burning ghosts either.

A lot of white people don't realize that they single non-whites out even in the littlest ways. The most common (and obvious) for black people is when a group of guys are shaking hands and when a white guy goes to shake the black guy's hand, he goes for the complex hand shake, instead of a normal one like he did with everyone else.

People don't say "hey look at that guy", they say "look at that black guy". It may be nothing to you, but it's subconscious descrimination that was programmed into you from an early age. Some non-whites can let it go. The guy in Destor's post can't. Because it has greater reaching effects than awkward social situations.

White people, you don't know how good you have it.

This is basically ridiculous.

I worked in a high-scale casino in West Virhina for ten months, I know racism is alive and well. It actually had me rather sad after the first two weeks, but then I figure, what the hell, the guys were raised ignorant, perhaps I can help them. And you know what? They learned not to talk like a bunch of redneck scumbags when I was around. And not b/c I threatened them, I'm not tough guy. They just...learned. So yeah, racism is alive, but it can be controlled on certain scales.

And yeah, when the color comes up, I say "that black guy", b/c you instantly know which one I mean. If it was 30 black guys and a white guy, I'd say "that why guy". It's called simplification.

Oh, and as for handshakes....I shake hands with prospective employers. Other than that, I -- a white guy -- have my own complicated handshake that I invented for no reason at all that I show to all prospective friends, regardless of color.

I mean, come on. Just saying "White people have it so good" is the most racist thing I"ve heard in this thread, man. Couple years ago, at ten o'clock on a monday night, I was walking home from a class in downtown Pitt. A black guy on either drugs, booze or both tried to mug me. The only mugging I've ever experienced. His reason for mugging me?

"Only rich white boys be walkin' deze streets dis late all alone, nigga, don't you fuckin' lie to me."

Impressive argument. He was too messed up on whatever to threaten me, so I showed him my empty wallet. He then propsed that I accompany him to the drinking establishment of his choice and use my debit card to buy his drinks. I say no, I get punched in the head. Before I can return the favor, my friend pulls over to give me a lift.

So, basically, b/c I was white, I was autromatically rich, racist and superior. That kinda pisses me off. I'm white, so I have to defend myself from scumbags and thieves. I'm white, so I have to watch my language -- I'm white...so I'm the bad guy.

Man...this really IS the life.

[Funky Fly]

1. Some non-whites are racists too. I never said we are all saints.

2. Hundreds of years of indoctrinated racism tends to produce scummy guys like your mugger friend.

3. When I say white people don't know how good they have it, I mean it.

You're not nearly as likely to be turned down for a good job because of you're skin color (something that a law actually had to be passed to control ie Affirmative Action).

You can live in any nice neighborhood and not have to worry about realtors and neighbors trying to get you to move out, solely because of your appearance or accent (the Fair Housing Act had to be passed for that and is still ignored to this day).

People don't tell you that "you're so well spoken" just becaue you don't sound retarded.

You don't get pulled over by the cops as much for no reason at all.

I could go on. It's a different world for you and I. I'm not saying I hate you (white people in general, not just you) for advantages you were born with, and I truly believe you (you, individually) don't know just how different life is between whites and non-whites).

I'm sorry to hear you got mugged and all. It's not your (you, individually) fault that things are the way they are. The earlier generations of white people made this mess. It sounds racist coming from a black mouth, but fact is fact. White people killed off most of the Native Americans, enslaved large numbers of Africans, colonized Africa (and made a rather big mess of it) and the effects of that are still being felt today. And that's just North America and Africa. There's still a lot of Asia, Australia and South America as well.

Call me racist if you like. But I'm just stating fact.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

A few things.

First, I think we should differentiate between Vince the character, and Vince the businessman. The one who said Nigga was the character, and we should be able to distinguish between the character and real life.

As far as what FUnky is saying, he's right. I mean hell, even back in grade school, when I went to a primarly black grade school (Maybe 3% white) the principle, who was a middle age black lady, suggested highly that when I go to Jr. High, that I transfer into a whiter school. Not because she was worried about my safety or anything (which would have been bull, because contrary to what stupid people may say, I never once had a problem), but because I was a smart kid, and I would get better oppertunities and a bettr education from a whiter school.

[Pete]

The thing about the word 'nigga' is that it has been popularised as a greeting by blacks themselves, to my knowledge Jews don't go around saying to each other 'whatup Kyke'. Also as the article mentions some blacks differentiate between the word 'nigga' and 'nigger'. To a certain extent I think the 'cat is out of the bag' with regard to the word being used by other ethnicities.

For my own part I don't think Vince should have said it and as I have black relatives myself I dislike hearing the word tossed around lightly because of the harm I have seem first hand that it can cause but at the same time I understand why he may have thought it was acceptable to use it. If I was the guy who wrote the article I would direct more of my ire at rappers/others who put the word into the public domain rather than Vince McMahon, especially when it was obvious he had the cooperation of two black people in the skit.

In repsonse to Funky Fly, racism is Far from confined to whites, I mean look at a movie like 'Guess Who' where the cntral joke is the black fathers racism towards the white fiance, if the roles were reversed it wouldn't be treated as a comedy and if it was there would probably be a huge uproar about it.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

The thing about the word 'nigga' is that it has been popularised as a greeting by blacks themselves, to my knowledge Jews don't go around saying to each other 'whatup Kyke'. Also as the article mentions some blacks differentiate between the word 'nigga' and 'nigger'. To a certain extent I think the 'cat is out of the bag' with regard to the word being used by other ethnicities.

For my own part I don't think Vince should have said it and as I have black relatives myself I dislike hearing the word tossed around lightly because of the harm I have seem first hand that it can cause but at the same time I understand why he may have thought it was acceptable to use it. If I was the guy who wrote the article I would direct more of my ire at rappers/others who put the word into the public domain rather than Vince McMahon, especially when it was obvious he had the cooperation of two black people in the skit.

In repsonse to Funky Fly, racism is Far from confined to whites, I mean look at a movie like 'Guess Who' where the cntral joke is the black fathers racism towards the white fiance, if the roles were reversed it wouldn't be treated as a comedy and if it was there would probably be a huge uproar about it.

Not trying to argue here, just adding a few quick points.

It's not like all black people use the word like that. IN fact, I'd be surprised if more than 50% did commonly.

I really don't think it should be used openly at all, especially by other races.

Chris Rock had a bit where he talks about the difference between black people and "niggers" It's funny, and arguablly true.

"Guess Who." Is a remake of "Guess who's coming to dinner" which was made back in the day. In the film, a white girl brought a black man home for the holidays.

So what's everyone's stance on quoting movie or song lines with the word in it? Always made me hella uncomfortable.

[Funky Fly]

In repsonse to Funky Fly, racism is Far from confined to whites, I mean look at a movie like 'Guess Who' where the cntral joke is the black fathers racism towards the white fiance, if the roles were reversed it wouldn't be treated as a comedy and if it was there would probably be a huge uproar about it.
First of all, I already said that non-white racists exist too. See the first line of my last post.

Second, "Guess Who" is a remake of "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner" (which by the way, was released in 1967, when it was somewhat more relevant) with the roles reversed.

[Funky Fly]

WWKD is quicker on the daw.

[Pete]

1. Some non-whites are racists too. I never said we are all saints.

2. Hundreds of years of indoctrinated racism tends to produce scummy guys like your mugger friend.

3. When I say white people don't know how good they have it, I mean it.

You're not nearly as likely to be turned down for a good job because of you're skin color (something that a law actually had to be passed to control ie Affirmative Action).

You can live in any nice neighborhood and not have to worry about realtors and neighbors trying to get you to move out, solely because of your appearance or accent (the Fair Housing Act had to be passed for that and is still ignored to this day).

People don't tell you that "you're so well spoken" just becaue you don't sound retarded.

You don't get pulled over by the cops as much for no reason at all.

I could go on. It's a different world for you and I. I'm not saying I hate you (white people in general, not just you) for advantages you were born with, and I truly believe you (you, individually) don't know just how different life is between whites and non-whites).

I'm sorry to hear you got mugged and all. It's not your (you, individually) fault that things are the way they are. The earlier generations of white people made this mess. It sounds racist coming from a black mouth, but fact is fact. White people killed off most of the Native Americans, enslaved large numbers of Africans, colonized Africa (and made a rather big mess of it) and the effects of that are still being felt today. And that's just North America and Africa. There's still a lot of Asia, Australia and South America as well.

Call me racist if you like. But I'm just stating fact.

Actually the slave trade couldn't have happened without the cooperation of Blacks in africa, it was blacks who captured the slaves in africa and handed them over to europeans in the west african ports. There was plenty of discord in africa before the arrival of the europeans and europe's colonisation of america was made possible by the cooperation if native allies. You only have to consider the numbers of europeans vs the number of africans/natives to realise that 'the white man' didn't create the mess you speak of alone.

Sorry I just kind of sick of the whole 'the white race is solely responsible for all the bad shit thats ever happened ever' stuff.

At least as a black person you have the right to be proud of your ethnicity, any sort of discussion of what it means to be white (if anything) has been hijacked by the far right

That being said I have to agree with you 100% about whites having it good, my sister is black and I've sene the bullshit she's been through, getting turned down for jobs and shit and having stuff said to her just because she is the only black face in town pretty much. The thing is, and this is a fucking depressing fact, that if the situations were reversed and blacks were the majority whites would get treated the same becuase most people are too fucking stupid to embrace diversity, you only have to look at places like Birmingham, there are areas where if you aren't asian you are in danger of getting a kicking.

The sooner everyone is the same dull grey colour the better.

[Pete]

First of all, I already said that non-white racists exist too. See the first line of my last post.

Second, "Guess Who" is a remake of "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner" (which by the way, was released in 1967, when it was somewhat more relevant) with the roles reversed.


Yes I am aware of it being a remake, I would argue that is less relevant today though acceptably exoressed attitudes towards minorities by whites was very different then (note ACCEPTABLY, I'm not saying racism doesn't exist just that to exporess it publicly is far less acceptable) whereas minority to white racism is still funny, its still making a joke out of racism whihc doesn;t really strike me as progress

[Funky Fly]

Actually the slave trade couldn't have happened without the cooperation of Blacks in africa, it was blacks who captured the slaves in africa and handed them over to europeans in the west african ports. There was plenty of discord in africa before the arrival of the europeans and europe's colonisation of america was made possible by the cooperation if native allies. You only have to consider the numbers of europeans vs the number of africans/natives to realise that 'the white man' didn't create the mess you speak of alone.

Sorry I just kind of sick of the whole 'the white race is solely responsible for all the bad shit thats ever happened ever' stuff.

Yes, rival tribes sold each other off to be slaves, but the colonial folk were playing a game called divide and conquer. Those tribes were all suckered in the end and after colonizaion ended, to this day you still have regions in Africa where tribes still hate each over it (ie. Rwanda).

At least as a black person you have the right to be proud of your ethnicity, any sort of discussion of what it means to be white (if anything) has been hijacked by the far right
Yes and no. I am proud to be African, and I am proud to be black (they're not one in the same). That said, there are several things I am not so proud of, concerning blacks and Africans. I'll go into detail someone wants, but I'm about to sleep, so it'll have to be tomorrow.

That being said I have to agree with you 100% about whites having it good, my sister is black and I've sene the bullshit she's been through, getting turned down for jobs and shit and having stuff said to her just because she is the only black face in town pretty much. The thing is, and this is a fucking depressing fact, that if the situations were reversed and blacks were the majority whites would get treated the same becuase most people are too fucking stupid to embrace diversity, you only have to look at places like Birmingham, there are areas where if you aren't asian you are in danger of getting a kicking.

The sooner everyone is the same dull grey colour the better.
Couldn't put it better about the world of grey

[Funky Fly]

Yes I am aware of it being a remake, I would argue that is less relevant today though acceptably exoressed attitudes towards minorities by whites was very different then (note ACCEPTABLY, I'm not saying racism doesn't exist just that to exporess it publicly is far less acceptable) whereas minority to white racism is still funny, its still making a joke out of racism whihc doesn;t really strike me as progress
We should be able to laugh at each other with no harm and no foul on either side, but the problem with white to not white race jokes is that there are so many historically racist undertones perceived, even when the joker doesn't intend for them to be there. You're basically walking on eggshells if you tell jokes like that and you're white. And the funny thing is, a white person can tell a black joke to a black person he knows very well and not worry about repercussion because the black person understands that despite the joke being deprecating to him, he knows the white person is not a racist and therefore does not actually believe the content of the joke to be acceptable in a non-joking situation. But if that same white person tells that same joke to a black person he's only just met, the black may be offended because he doesn't know if that white person truly believes in the content of the joke.

[Pete]

Yes, rival tribes sold each other off to be slaves, but the colonial folk were playing a game called divide and conquer. Those tribes were all suckered in the end and after colonizaion ended, to this day you still have regions in Africa where tribes still hate each over it (ie. Rwanda).


Yes and no. I am proud to be African, and I am proud to be black (they're not one in the same). That said, there are several things I am not so proud of, concerning blacks and Africans. I'll go into detail someone wants, but I'm about to sleep, so it'll have to be tomorrow.


Couldn't put it better about the world of grey


Re: the involvement of africans in the slave trade, saying that the africans fell for the european game of divide and conquer plays into the idea that africans were less sophisticated than the the europeans, which is an idea propogated thorugh the so called master narrative of white written history and brushes over the full extent of African cooperation and knowledge of what was going on, this is further emphasised by your use of the word 'tribe' whihc implies primitiveness rather than calling them kingdoms. Although there is a case to be made for Africans having a different understanding of what slavery meant to the Europeans (i.e to Africans slavery was a means of inclusion rather than lifelong back breaking labour based on skin colour) to think that the african slavers didn't catch on to what the Europeans intentions were is rather far fetched.

In addition in the early part of the slave trade European technology was not that much more advanced than African tech to be able to militarily compel cooperation and I believe, altohugh I need to check this, that europeans wepaons technology (i.e guns) was not sufficently advanced to provide a military advantage to the african kingdoms they dealt with over their rivals( I know this is true of jungle areas as the guns of the period were useless in a confined space however I'm not 100% certain of the kingdoms involved in slavery and their locations offhand), if this was the case then it moves the african motive for involvement from gaining advantage over their rivals to greed.

[Pete]

We should be able to laugh at each other with no harm and no foul on either side, but the problem with white to not white race jokes is that there are so many historically racist undertones perceived, even when the joker doesn't intend for them to be there. You're basically walking on eggshells if you tell jokes like that and you're white. And the funny thing is, a white person can tell a black joke to a black person he knows very well and not worry about repercussion because the black person understands that despite the joke being deprecating to him, he knows the white person is not a racist and therefore does not actually believe the content of the joke to be acceptable in a non-joking situation. But if that same white person tells that same joke to a black person he's only just met, the black may be offended because he doesn't know if that white person truly believes in the content of the joke.


I agree 100% with that, I think what bothers me is the fact that is is more acceptable for non whites to tell white jokes on screen or in mass circulated media because I don't know what their intentions are becasue I don't know them and that its somehow unacceptable for me to feel uncomfortable because of it

[The Gooch]

White people are all card carrying members of the "Lucky Sperm and Egg Club". Sorry, couldn't resist.

Lets be honest if we all looked the same we'd just find some other reason to hold someone else down. It's kinda depressing when you think about it. The communist ideal of comrades is utopian when it comes to human nature.

[Afterlife]

This is spiralling out of hand. lol

In such an easier way to sum up Funky's last argument of race jokes,
I will quote myself: "There is an insurmountable difference between dogma and jest." That means, a joke is a joke and serious is serious. Anyone can tell the difference between the two in conversation, by such factors as connotation, body language, inflection, etc., etc.

That being said, Vince was goofing around. Everyone on Earth knows he was kidding. Re...fucking...lax.

Oh, and as for being able to laugh at each other, I find that you can generally judge your audience pretty well once you've met them for about 5 minutes. One can usually tell a tight wad from a libertarian. And I guarantee, I can laugh at anything thrown my way in jest, as well as throw right back. Seems to me, if people would drop all these damn grudges in the first place and embrace a fucking sense of humor about life, we'd all be better off. People sucked in history, all over the planet. Now let's grow up and hit some future with a god damn smile.

[Kane Knight]

Not trying to argue here, just adding a few quick points.

It's not like all black people use the word like that. IN fact, I'd be surprised if more than 50% did commonly.

I really don't think it should be used openly at all, especially by other races.

Chris Rock had a bit where he talks about the difference between black people and "niggers" It's funny, and arguablly true.

"Guess Who." Is a remake of "Guess who's coming to dinner" which was made back in the day. In the film, a white girl brought a black man home for the holidays.

So what's everyone's stance on quoting movie or song lines with the word in it? Always made me hella uncomfortable.

Keep in mind, Pete's only experiences with blacks come from an accidental rental of "White Chicks."

I don't know how many blacks use nigga as a greeting, but then, neither does the guy saying "They call themselves it." Blacks aren't one entity. And yes, some Jews use Kike. deal with it.

Chris rock's mother said essentially that his "Niggers vs Black people" routine aptly fit his neighborhood. It's arguably true, but not every perspective matches his.

Me? I'll say nigger quoting a song or a movie with no problem. I'll make satirical comments about niggers. I have no problem with the word anymore. I used to be horribly uncomfortable, but that level of discomfort is pointless.

Now common sense, on the other hand...

[Indifferent Clox]

I didn't know Americans were a race.

^that says it all...
Dude, racism is so 20th century! Shut up and get over it. It's people getting all angry about it that set this country back 20 years... no one should be offended, it was funny, they do it in family guy all the time and we laugh. It's just an angle that works, not every foreigner is used as a racism point.

[Kane Knight]

Yeah, it's not the fact that America's as racist as it was 20 years ago that sets it back, it's people reacting to a racist crack that sets it back.

[Afterlife]

Yeah, it's not the fact that America's as racist as it was 20 years ago that sets it back, it's people reacting to a racist crack that sets it back.

Sarcasm noted, Kane. But wiithout the sarcasm, what you wrote is precisly tru. The man's right, we watch SNL, Family Guy, The Simpsons and damn near anything on Comedy Central, and racial jokes abound. And for some reason, it's funny on tv, except when it's on WWE.

Like I said earlier, people aren't nearly as racist as they used to be, it's that people are afraid to be perceived as racist. That, and some people aren't happy unless they have a reason to bitch or a cause to march on, even if the rest of the world doesn't care.

[Destor]

Americans still aren't a race.

[Kane Knight]

Sarcasm noted, Kane. But wiithout the sarcasm, what you wrote is precisly tru. The man's right, we watch SNL, Family Guy, The Simpsons and damn near anything on Comedy Central, and racial jokes abound. And for some reason, it's funny on tv, except when it's on WWE.

Like I said earlier, people aren't nearly as racist as they used to be, it's that people are afraid to be perceived as racist. That, and some people aren't happy unless they have a reason to bitch or a cause to march on, even if the rest of the world doesn't care.

When did Family Guy say nigger?

I must've missed it on SNL too.:-\

You can keep claiming we're less racist now, but that's ridiculous. But hey, who wants reality when we can pump this better America bullshit down our throats! It's great to be a White Christian Male in this country!