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[BigChris]

You suck..... I am begging you to start some shit with me instead of Kane Knight.... please..... and I saw Mondo at blockbuster last night, so I waited till he wasn't looking, crept up to the counter, and smacked that bitch silly.:rofl:

[Harib Allsak]

attention whore.....

[Xero]

CZW fan...

[redoneja]

Is this shit ever going to stop? Why can't these ignorant fucks just realise we(and by we I mean some of us, ok most of us......fine, all of us) don't like the product that CZW puts out??? I mean, besides his views on CZW and TNA....well, wrestling in general, I agreed with Mr. Sadistic(well, ok, only about our mutual hatred of John Cena). But c'mon ppl! We don't like CZW. Period. End of Story.

[Harib Allsak]

You need to give a better reason as to why you hate CZW, and not the usual "garbage wrestling, all ultraviolence, backyard, etc." type shit. Give some depth and backing to your opinions. Obviously not everyone likes CZW......

[redoneja]

Hmmmm, how bout you just go read all of our posts in the other threads? How many fucking times do I(and the rest of us) have to repeat ourselves.

Reasons I hate CZW:
1)No talent
2)Spotfest Matches with 0 psychology
3)Still promote the crapfest people call "deathmatches"

Why don't YOU give some depth and backing to your opinions. You just found this forum 2 days ago and haven't been exposed to exactly what my opinions are. So do me a favor. Why don't you take some time and read what I(and we) have to say about wrestling in general. Then you can start asking questions. Ok?

[Xero]

Wrestling spotfests with no meaning doesn't make for a good match. Hitting someone with a chair for the sake of hitting someone with a chair is a waste. Hitting ten top rope moves and five jumps out of the ring for the sake of doing it doesn't make for a good match.

Those things CAN make a good match when combined (and even on their own) if they MEAN something, but when it's one big clusterfuck spotfest, it's not wrestling.

Oh, wow, violence wasn't the main focus of this post.

[Harib Allsak]

Xero & Red, what matches have you even seen over the last year (NOT including Tournament of Death)? I'm just curious, because last time I checked, if you're saying it's mostly spotfests & 0 psychology, then I guess ROH, PWG, IWA-MS, and a bunch of other companies would be considered the same. How the hell do Hero/Quack/Castagnoli/Steen/Super Dragon have 0 psychology & how are their matches spotfests? Please explain that one.

[redoneja]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

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<!-- start content -->In professional wrestling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling), a spot is a pre-planned set of moves which is designed to get a particular audience reaction or determine the pace of the match.
Wrestlers who choreograph their matches before the show will usually decide on an opening spot and a take home spot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_home_%28professional_wrestling%29), as well as several spots to use throughout the match. The remaineder of the match will be divided between transition moves and general offensive and defensive moves.
A spotfest refers to a match which consists mainly or entirely of spots, normally with little flow between moves and no logical transitions. A spotfest is normally a fast-paced, exciting match with constant displays of athleticism, but many fans regard spotfests as poorly structured. In addition, spotfests often contain many high risk moves, and therefore endanger the health of the participants. A spotfest will often include a large number of high-flying moves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_aerial_techniques).



There ya go buddy, it seems you have trouble with the definition of a spotfest. And yes, RoH is full of spot-wrestling, but it also balances it out with matches that have an ebb and flow, as well as psychology.

[Harib Allsak]

Well, you still don't seem to get my point. How the hell are matches from the likes of Hero/Quack/Castagnoli/Steen/Super Dragon spotfests?

Answer the goddamn question. I know what a fucking spotfest is and I didn't ask for a smartass definition to clarify what one is. Quack pulls out a hurricanrana and the hilo to the outside every know and then, as for the others, I'd like to read YOUR explanation. Not an explanation of what a spotfest is or how it works, but how the wrestlers I listed above have matches that are spotfests. Have fun with that one.

[Londoner]

You need to give a better reason as to why you hate CZW, and not the usual "garbage wrestling, all ultraviolence, backyard, etc." type shit. Give some depth and backing to your opinions. Obviously not everyone likes CZW......

ROFL

You are a fucking joke.Did you read Sadistics thread?There were plenty of proper replies in there, when he was asked to back up his statements sadistic never did and moved on to another argument(that's exactly what you're going to do in this thread to, along with all you're other CZW friends, because you have no facts to back up you're opinions), .Why don't you give US some depth and backing to your opinions?

And people will say its garbage wrestling, because that's what CZW markets its self as.Deal with it.

[redoneja]

Quite simply because:


A spotfest refers to a match which consists mainly or entirely of spots, normally with little flow between moves and no logical transitions. A

C'mon man. Super Dragon??? I've watched this kid since he debuted in Southern California. My first experience of him was in XPW(see, I watch it all, to see if I like) in a tag match. It was him and Excalibur, vs two masked jobbers(one was like ,El Toro(?) and the other looked like a ninja power ranger).

What do his matches consist of?? Spot after spot after spot, culminating in a big spot(the take-home spot for you uneducated folks(read Harib Allsak)). Not as bad as garbage wrestling, but still worse than ANYTHING with psychology.

[Harib Allsak]

Ok buddy, I'll certainly give you in depth explanations, but then I would like YOURS in return, since most of you on this board think you "know" everything. (broken down into sections just for Xero):roll:

Point #1: That Super Dragon match was then, this is now. I did not ask nor bring up PAST events, although I do remember saying within the last two years. XPW has been dead for awhile now. Try watching Dragon's newer stuff.....he has improved tons.

Point #2: Various matches (among the many) that were NOT spot matches and had fine ring psychology:
- Mike Quackenbush vs. Chris Sabin @ NOF in Nov. 2005
- Claudio Castagnoli vs. Ruckus @ NOF in Nov. 2005
- Chris Hero vs. Eddie Kingston in a Last Man Standing match @ NOF in Nov. 2005
- Eddie Kingston vs. Gran Akuma @ PONR in Oct. 2005
- El Generico vs. Kevin Steen @ PONR in Oct. 2005
- Super Dragon vs. El Generico (both matches from Deja Vu 3 in August as well as BOTB 5 back in May 2005)
- JC Bailey vs. Arik Cannon from Deja Vu 3 in Aug. 2005
- B-Boy vs. "Spyder" Nate Webb at Deja Vu 3 in Aug. 2005
- Mike Quackenbush vs. Tony Mamaluke at High Stakes 3 in July 2005
- B-Boy vs. Sabian vs. Mike Quackenbush from VBD in June 2005
- Chris Hero vs. Eddie Kingston @ VBD in June 2005
- Derek Frazier vs. Franky The Mobster from VBD in June 2005
- Claudio Castagnoli vs. Brandon Thomaselli from VBD in June 2005
- Almost all of Best of the Best V in May 2005

Point #3: Why do all of you constantly harp of the "0 psychology" aspect? Do you know what ring psychology is? Last time I checked, there were various books, webpages, etc., all with accurate definitions. I suggest you look them up. Just because a match has 1 or 2 highspots does NOT mean it's a complete clusterfuck or has no psychology about it.

Point #4: Why make fun of where wrestlers work outside wrestling? For example, bashing Mondo at Blockbuster. Wrestling was a hobby that paid, while Blockbuster helped bring in more cash. Most guys can't survive on just wrestling alone, unless they're in "TEH WWE."

I'm sure most of you: a) haven't gone to college b) don't have a desirable job (such as working at a food store, convenience store, etc) c) have no job at all and sit in front of a computer, masturbating all day long over how much you THINK you know and how cool you are. d) do all of the above, which in that case, you quite honestly NEED to get a fucking life.

Point #5: There is no real 'Point #5.' If you didn't get it by now (and by reading past posts), you're obviously to thickheaded of a person to communicate with. No where did I say you should like CZW and no where was I trying to "convert" anyone into liking the product.


Now that I've wasted precious final studying time, babble on all you want, because there's no changing your minds about anything. I'm not trying to get anyone to like CZW, I'm simply correcting false assumptions people have of the company, just because they were known for doing ultraviolent and hardcore matches, circa 2002 and before. It's now 2005, just in case any of you forgot. I'm done with this board for now, since I've said my piece, so bash and pretend you know about the business, all you want.......

[Nervous Ferret]

Isn't Quackenbush that guy that got punched into the river by that guy Gene

[Nervous Ferret]

Also damn point #4 I'd have to go with D. :(

[RemyRed]

All you guys need to grow up. :roll: So immature. That goes for you TPWWers too.

[RemyRed]

and isn't that Nick Mondo guy a producer or something?

[alvarado52]

this CZW thing isnt as fun anymore without Sadistic around. And this is a blatant attempt to get attention by capitalizing off the success of one thread. BOO THIS MAN BIGCHRIS!

[BlackDawn2024]

I'm sure most of you: a) haven't gone to college b) don't have a desirable job (such as working at a food store, convenience store, etc) c) have no job at all and sit in front of a computer, masturbating all day long over how much you THINK you know and how cool you are. d) do all of the above, which in that case, you quite honestly NEED to get a fucking life.

Hmmm. Out of that list, I'd say I'm C. Yeah, definitely. :yes:

[Londoner]

this CZW thing isnt as fun anymore without Sadistic around. And this is a blatant attempt to get attention by capitalizing off the success of one threat. BOO THIS MAN BIGCHRIS!

Agreed.That thread of his was a classic.I've never seen anyone be so damn retarded in my life.

[BigChris]

[QUOTE=Harib Allsak]
Point #4: Why make fun of where wrestlers work outside wrestling? For example, bashing Mondo at Blockbuster. Wrestling was a hobby that paid, while Blockbuster helped bring in more cash. Most guys can't survive on just wrestling alone, unless they're in "TEH WWE."

I saw Mondo at blockbuster last night, so I waited till he wasn't looking, crept up to the counter, and smacked that bitch silly

And I will continue to do so

[BigChris]

this CZW thing isnt as fun anymore without Sadistic around. And this is a blatant attempt to get attention by capitalizing off the success of one threat. BOO THIS MAN BIGCHRIS!

I will neg rep myself later.

[thecc]

Well for all the badness CZW has, they have at least one positive. They're smart enough to book Claudio Castagnoli
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/c/claudiocastagnoli/02.jpg
:heart: :love:

[94 SVT Cobra]

You need to give a better reason as to why you hate CZW, and not the usual "garbage wrestling, all ultraviolence, backyard, etc." type shit. Give some depth and backing to your opinions. Obviously not everyone likes CZW......

Im pretty sure thats why i hate it....does this make me cliche, or a common sense wrestling fan?

[redoneja]

Ok buddy, I'll certainly give you in depth explanations, but then I would like YOURS in return, since most of you on this board think you "know" everything. (broken down into sections just for Xero):roll:

Point #1: That Super Dragon match was then, this is now. I did not ask nor bring up PAST events, although I do remember saying within the last two years. XPW has been dead for awhile now. Try watching Dragon's newer stuff.....he has improved tons.

Point #2: Various matches (among the many) that were NOT spot matches and had fine ring psychology:
- Mike Quackenbush vs. Chris Sabin @ NOF in Nov. 2005
- Claudio Castagnoli vs. Ruckus @ NOF in Nov. 2005
- Chris Hero vs. Eddie Kingston in a Last Man Standing match @ NOF in Nov. 2005
- Eddie Kingston vs. Gran Akuma @ PONR in Oct. 2005
- El Generico vs. Kevin Steen @ PONR in Oct. 2005
- Super Dragon vs. El Generico (both matches from Deja Vu 3 in August as well as BOTB 5 back in May 2005)
- JC Bailey vs. Arik Cannon from Deja Vu 3 in Aug. 2005
- B-Boy vs. "Spyder" Nate Webb at Deja Vu 3 in Aug. 2005
- Mike Quackenbush vs. Tony Mamaluke at High Stakes 3 in July 2005
- B-Boy vs. Sabian vs. Mike Quackenbush from VBD in June 2005
- Chris Hero vs. Eddie Kingston @ VBD in June 2005
- Derek Frazier vs. Franky The Mobster from VBD in June 2005
- Claudio Castagnoli vs. Brandon Thomaselli from VBD in June 2005
- Almost all of Best of the Best V in May 2005

Point #3: Why do all of you constantly harp of the "0 psychology" aspect? Do you know what ring psychology is? Last time I checked, there were various books, webpages, etc., all with accurate definitions. I suggest you look them up. Just because a match has 1 or 2 highspots does NOT mean it's a complete clusterfuck or has no psychology about it.

Point #4: Why make fun of where wrestlers work outside wrestling? For example, bashing Mondo at Blockbuster. Wrestling was a hobby that paid, while Blockbuster helped bring in more cash. Most guys can't survive on just wrestling alone, unless they're in "TEH WWE."

I'm sure most of you: a) haven't gone to college b) don't have a desirable job (such as working at a food store, convenience store, etc) c) have no job at all and sit in front of a computer, masturbating all day long over how much you THINK you know and how cool you are. d) do all of the above, which in that case, you quite honestly NEED to get a fucking life.

Point #5: There is no real 'Point #5.' If you didn't get it by now (and by reading past posts), you're obviously to thickheaded of a person to communicate with. No where did I say you should like CZW and no where was I trying to "convert" anyone into liking the product.


Now that I've wasted precious final studying time, babble on all you want, because there's no changing your minds about anything. I'm not trying to get anyone to like CZW, I'm simply correcting false assumptions people have of the company, just because they were known for doing ultraviolent and hardcore matches, circa 2002 and before. It's now 2005, just in case any of you forgot. I'm done with this board for now, since I've said my piece, so bash and pretend you know about the business, all you want.......



Ok you little bitch, you asked for it and I will deliever.

Point #1- I am in no way, shape, or form, your "buddy"

Point #2- You just don't get it. I don't like CZW, I don't have preconcieved notions of CZW or anything. Its not the minority of ppl who find the CZW product crap. Its the majority.

Point #3- If you said that there is no changing our minds, then you just wasted 15 minutes of your life posting something that I'm going to forget about in 5 min.

Point #4- I'm choose 'none of the above'. Im in college thank you very much. You just lowered yourself to the level of The Lone Drinker and that other guy who bragged about being banned from Rajah(what was his name???)

Point #5- I didn't make fun of Mondo working at Blockbuster. I simply made fun of the fact that all of his 'sacrifices' won't mean a damn to anyone in 20 years.

Point #6- Obviously YOU are the thickheaded person if you are still trying to 'not convince us about the glory that is CZW'. I am now finished with all CZW talk, I just don't care enough anymore.

In conclusion:















SHUT UP YOU IGNORANT ASS!

(shut up your ignorant ass is a copyright of JamesSteele, sorry JS, I don't like stealing people's shit but this was appropriate.)

[Nervous Ferret]

TW MANGROVE!!!!!!

[redoneja]

TW MANGROVE!!!!!!

Rep for you.

[redoneja]

ah dammit, I gotta spread rep first.

[Skippord]

Were are you 9 CZW fans

[Destor]

Ok buddy, I'll certainly give you in depth explanations, but then I would like YOURS in return, since most of you on this board think you "know" everything. (broken down into sections just for Xero):roll:
I'm Glad you are going to try the formatting of the English language for this post.

Point #1: That Super Dragon match was then, this is now. I did not ask nor bring up PAST events, although I do remember saying within the last two years. XPW has been dead for awhile now. Try watching Dragon's newer stuff.....he has improved tons.
Ok, lets forget their years of garbage. Lets pretend people shouldn't be held accountable for their past actions. Lets pretend people shouldn't have to redeem themselves, and give them a clean slate.

Point #2: Various matches (among the many) that were NOT spot matches and had fine ring psychology
I will only respond to those I have seen. I try not to watch to much garbage.
- Claudio Castagnoli vs. Ruckus @ NOF in Nov. 2005
Garbage, there was no redeeming quality to this match, this IS the definition of a spotfest.
- Chris Hero vs. Eddie Kingston in a Last Man Standing match @ NOF in Nov. 2005
:| Seriously, this is the match you give to show people CZW isn't garbage?
- Super Dragon vs. El Generico (both matches from Deja Vu 3 in August as well as BOTB 5 back in May 2005)
I saw Deja Vu 3, not horrible considering where it came from. It still garbage, but its borderline.
- JC Bailey vs. Arik Cannon from Deja Vu 3 in Aug. 2005
Spotfest.
- B-Boy vs. "Spyder" Nate Webb at Deja Vu 3 in Aug. 2005
Not a bad spotfest, almost well done. (like I said the card was ok. Great for CZW.)
- Almost all of Best of the Best V in May 2005
I tend to buy all of the best of's just so no one can tell me I'm not up to date with the trash and I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm sure I'll get it; and find it to be garbage spotfest/hardcore like all the rest of 'em. I'll give it a chance though.

Point #3: Why do all of you constantly harp of the "0 psychology" aspect? Do you know what ring psychology is? Last time I checked, there were various books, webpages, etc., all with accurate definitions. I suggest you look them up. Just because a match has 1 or 2 highspots does NOT mean it's a complete clusterfuck or has no psychology about it.
1) Yes I know what psychology is.
2) They do have little/no ring/crowd psychology. You just refuse to see it.
3) just because a match has 1 or to highspots its does not mean it has no psychology about it, you are right there. No one said it did either though.

Point #4: Why make fun of where wrestlers work outside wrestling? For example, bashing Mondo at Blockbuster. Wrestling was a hobby that paid, while Blockbuster helped bring in more cash. Most guys can't survive on just wrestling alone, unless they're in "TEH WWE."

I agree, we were only doing to piss marks off. It seemed to be effective. *See you*
I'm sure most of you: a) haven't gone to college b) don't have a desirable job (such as working at a food store, convenience store, etc) c) have no job at all and sit in front of a computer, masturbating all day long over how much you THINK you know and how cool you are. d) do all of the above, which in that case, you quite honestly NEED to get a fucking life.

1)Graduated with a degree in film studies (bullshit title they give for watching movies, a lot of producers have this.)
2) I cut trees by day ,(pays extreeeeeeemly well, At least 500 per tree. Talk about easy money) and I wrestle by night.
3) Since I am my own boss, I take my laptop to work and post when I think of something, same when I'm at a show, helps the day go by faster.
4)I do need a life.
Point #5: There is no real 'Point #5.' If you didn't get it by now (and by reading past posts), you're obviously to thickheaded of a person to communicate with. No where did I say you should like CZW and no where was I trying to "convert" anyone into liking the product.
You didn't make one good point in all of that. Just stated some bullshit why people should think CZW isn't garbage by siteing a bunch of reasons why it is garbage.


Now that I've wasted precious final studying time, babble on all you want, because there's no changing your minds about anything. I'm not trying to get anyone to like CZW, I'm simply correcting false assumptions people have of the company, just because they were known for doing ultraviolent and hardcore matches, circa 2002 and before. It's now 2005, just in case any of you forgot. I'm done with this board for now, since I've said my piece, so bash and pretend you know about the business, all you want.......

Their assumptions are not false, your assumption that they are not garbage would be false. You don't know a thing about psychology if you debate that (in which case you would also have to a CZW mark.) You like CZW, thats not an issue. Thinking its anything but garbage, and that its 'good' wrestling, thats the problem.

[Danny Electric]

I love it when people use the argument of how we are all uneducated and jobless.

[Skippord]

- Mike Quackenbush vs. Chris Sabin @ NOF in Nov. 2005


Your lucky I have some sort of gay love for Chris Sabin or else I would tear you a new asshole with my words not my penis...not my penis :shifty:


What a waste of a thousandth post

[Xero]

LOL, got neg repped (neutral though) from posting "CZW fan..." by Harybee or whatever up there.

[Kane Knight]

I love it when people use the argument of how we are all uneducated and jobless.

Does terrorism count as a job, Irani?

[Kane Knight]

So Harry Ballicker or whatever your name is, care to post some of these videos for us to watch? You know, prove how uneducated we are?

[Danny Electric]

Look KK, whatever terrorist activities I partake in, in my spare time is only because i love the smell of napalm in the morning.

[Kane Knight]

Just stop asking me to wire your equipment. I build amplifiers not explosives.

[Danny Electric]

Shut up Jihad warrior.

[Kane Knight]

That's "Jah Warrior." I'm a Christian thug, nigga!

[BigChris]

My rep has gone down hill so much, I think I might cry if it happens again.... damn you, daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn you!!!!

[Danny Electric]

I feel so alove!