Does what's happening with Cena remind you of what happened with The Rock? [Archive]

Londoner

01-05-2006, 01:20 PM

Ok firstly I don't mean Cena is as good as the Rock in any way, but I was watching a documentary on the biography channel about The Rock,and it showed when The Rock first turned heel which was before I was watching wrestling.The crowd just for some reason started boo'ing him like mad and if you ask me, that helped The Rock to become as good as he is today.Now a similar thing is happening to Cena, do you guys think he could possibly turn it around if given a new direction like the Rock was?Or are the writers just to fucking stupid to be able to do that?

Kane Knight

01-05-2006, 01:39 PM

Cena never should have been a face in the first place.

I think he could be saved if they turned him heel again, but I think that an Austin-esque anti-hero would work best of all.

Nark Order

01-05-2006, 01:44 PM

Never compare Cena to the Rock ever again.

McLegend

01-05-2006, 01:44 PM

I say you keep him as the same Character, but he just cheats to win.

Maybe even make his character even more of a nice guy character then he already is. I'm telling you it would be huge. He would be the greatest heel ever. People would come to see him get his ass kicked.

Londoner

01-05-2006, 01:47 PM

Never compare Cena to the Rock ever again.

Never post in one of my threads again.And try reading posts properly first if you're going to post a reply to it.

Londoner

01-05-2006, 01:50 PM

Cena never should have been a face in the first place.

I think he could be saved if they turned him heel again, but I think that an Austin-esque anti-hero would work best of all.

The thing is, how could you turn him heel?Angle's meant to be the top heel at the moment.

Pepsi Man

01-05-2006, 01:56 PM

Rock was shoved down everyone's throats, and got booed way earlier on. Cena just sucks, and a lot of fans have finally realized that.

Londoner

01-05-2006, 02:05 PM

Rock was shoved down everyone's throats, and got booed way earlier on. Cena just sucks, and a lot of fans have finally realized that.

Cena was shoved down everyone's throats to, which is exactly my point.I imagine the comment you just made about Cena is how people felt about The Rock back then.

Nark Order

01-05-2006, 02:18 PM

I read your post, fuckforbrains. You're comparing Cena to the Rock.

Hold on, let me read it again....

Yep, still comparing Cena to the Rock. I don't see how reading it again made any difference.

Pepsi Man

01-05-2006, 02:23 PM

Cena was shoved down everyone's throats to, which is exactly my point.I imagine the comment you just made about Cena is how people felt about The Rock back then.
No, Cena just plain sucks. They cheered him to begin with, but now they see he brings nothing. Rocky was booed as a face long before he was elevated to main event status. It's just not the same.

Innovator

01-05-2006, 02:25 PM

Rock wasn't the main guy in the company when it happened. Cena is supposed to be.

Nark Order

01-05-2006, 02:28 PM

Cena is godawful.

Londoner

01-05-2006, 02:32 PM

I read your post, fuckforbrains. You're comparing Cena to the Rock.

Hold on, let me read it again....

Yep, still comparing Cena to the Rock. I don't see how reading it again made any difference.

Wrong.I'm comparing his situation to The Rock's.I said in the first line,Cena isn't as good as The Rock in any way.

Londoner

01-05-2006, 02:34 PM

Rock wasn't the main guy in the company when it happened. Cena is supposed to be.

That's a good point.I think Cena can be saved though if they turn him heel and book him properly but I bet the writers probably don't even hear the boos.

McLegend

01-05-2006, 02:38 PM

They hear the boos, it's just they have so much money invested in him they are hestiant to turn him heel. Especially since they have no big faces besides him. Yes I know they have HBK, but they don't have any young faces who are ready for the main event.

Y3J

01-05-2006, 02:59 PM

1) Cena sucks

2) They haven't got any good young faces and are waiting for RVD to return

Innovator

01-05-2006, 03:10 PM

If they turn Cena heel, they can lose a lot in the merchandise the kiddies buy. If he remains face, the boos are gonna continue. He can improve in the ring which would help him out greatly, OR he can forget the shuffle and just start brawling.

If they weren't in a rush to bring guys up, they could have fixed Cena's problems. They have to keep him face since no one can take his spot. HBK has his own spot so he can't.

The Naitch

01-05-2006, 03:15 PM

im sure what he's talking about is the basic formula of shoving the babyface down our throats until we get so sick of him that we want to boo him

Then watch all the current Cena haters turn into Cena fans once he turns heel again

CharismaInjection

01-05-2006, 03:16 PM

Watched Byte This, a guy called about Cena.

Grishum: So looking forward to NYR, hoping Cena's gonna get through it?
Caller: God no. I really hope Cena doesn't retain his title.
Grishum: What, you're not a Cena fan?
Caller: I was at first, but his three move special is getting kinda old, it's time to move on, get someone new, you know?
Grishum: *cuts him off* Dunno what he's talking about.

Mr. JL

01-05-2006, 03:27 PM

Honestly, I blame the terrible booking, writing and the creative team.

John Cena was writing his own promo's (or freestyle raps) in 2003, and got himself over with the fans. The WWE took notice, and starting tweeking everything; now he gets to recite lame poop jokes written by those creative genius' and his three catch phrases.

Kane Knight

01-05-2006, 04:03 PM

The thing is, how could you turn him heel?Angle's meant to be the top heel at the moment.

A paradigm they're having trouble maintaining.

I think all they need to do to solve this problem is start having Angle not shit on the troops.

As a result, Cena may very well end up a de facto heel. Have him lose clean, that may be all you need to swap roles. Make Cena pissed about losing.

Kane Knight

01-05-2006, 04:04 PM

I read your post, fuckforbrains. You're comparing Cena to the Rock.

No, he's comparing the reactions to the two.

big diff.

Kane Knight

01-05-2006, 04:06 PM

Corkscrewed

01-05-2006, 04:37 PM

Maybe they're dragging this out till WM, when they have Cena and Angle pull the ol' double turn? :?:

Kane Knight

01-05-2006, 04:42 PM

Maybe they're murdering it?

PullMyFinger

01-05-2006, 05:24 PM

Fuck it, if there's a million boos...turn him heel. Have him come out, do his old rap shit...trash the fans and say they're jealous of his fame and fortune I guess.

They seriously need to flip this. I'm not saying have Kurt come out as the babyface..have him the way he is (minus the poor attempts to grab cheap heat by trashing the army). Turn Cena heel however.

The One

01-05-2006, 05:43 PM

PMF hit the head on the nail. :y:

For fuck sake Vince is a dumbass. He shoves people down our throat, then he listens to the fans for a few years and give us what we want to see, then he tries to shove things down our throat. Vince's biggest business times in history came late 80's and late 90's...when he *gasp* listen to crowd reaction and built off of that. Mark Henry won't put an ass in the seat...you have a potentially huge superstar in Cena (though I fully admit I hate the guy, always have) if you would fucking open your ears. Let him go be bad ass heel, and he will probably become twice as big of a face doing that then he ever would playing it up like a babyface.

Mr. Nerfect

01-05-2006, 05:51 PM

Yeah, they really could just turn him heel. Everyone's talking about John Cena vs. Triple H as the money match for WrestleMania. Fuck that. Have either Shawn Michaels, Rob Van Dam or a face Kurt Angle challenge Cena. The fans desperately want to boo Cena, and it is not because he sucks, it is because the WWE made him suck.

Cena's extremely talented, if the WWE let him do his own stuff, he would be over huge now. Give him a year out of the spotlight as a heel, and then have him slowly work his way back into the main event when the fans either except him as a heel, or start getting behind his character, again. Or you could just turn him heel with the WWE Championship, have him side with Vince McMahon, etc. and basically have him as the guy who cares more about the keeping the WWE Championship than keeping his soul.

I might actually be able to stand Cena holding the belt until sometime in the second half of this year if he freshened himself up.

McLegend

01-05-2006, 05:52 PM

He already did a badass heel though I would rather see him do something else.

Also is he does do a badass heel again it's can gonna go in a big circle. The crowd will boo him for a while then start Cheering him again, becuase he is cool, and then they will end him booing him because his face character is terrible and hes not good in the ring. Then will be having this same discussion an year 1/2 from now.

Shadow

01-05-2006, 06:14 PM

Gee...know what this reminds me? Before Cena got the title.

You guys are so damn fickle. Before he got the damn strap, all of you were all up in his ass about how he should be WWE champ, how much JBL sucks, blah blah blah. At least The One's honest in his opinion.

Pick a viewpoint and stick with it. Me...I'll always enjoy Cena and what he does. Because I know there's a huge amount of talent lurking under that surface. The WWE just needs to let it out and they'll make billions.

Kane Knight

01-05-2006, 07:32 PM

Shadow, not everyone's stupid enough to stick with a sinking ship. We know that you'd fallow Hardy if he stopped wrestling in favor of jerking off in the ring. We get it. You're a die-hard fan on the level of Sadistic.

Most people here will turn on a character when it gets watered down. Don't pretend the character hasn't changed, either.

Taker Fan

01-05-2006, 08:38 PM

This whole 'fans turning on Cena' reminds me of when I went to Smackdown in November of 2003, and Cena had joined Angle's team for Survivor Series. Then, it was him and Benoit vs. Big Show and Lesnar, and after Cena's victory, he shook Benoit's hand, and gave Benoit the F-U. I read that this was Michael Hayes' plan to book Cena much like Austin and he would be more successful, but Vince had the final word and edited out the F-U, and the show ended on the handshake. I think that was a huge turning point in Cena's character development, and if they went with Hayes' original idea and went from there (not teaming him with faces, not sucking up to fans, etc) I think that Cena would be a lot more enjoyable to watch. :y:

Fox

01-06-2006, 01:16 AM

Cena's current position is a lot like The Rock's back in the late 90's, right before they turned him heel. The big difference is that Rock was still looking for his niche, and Cena is supposed to have found his niche by now.

They have to turn him heel eventually; after his horrible crowd reaction Monday night, they must realize that. But the truth is, they've built him up so heavily as their big-time main event babyface player that they can't turn it around yet. It'd be like turning Stone Cold heel during his feud with Vince McMahon. It would lose tons of money, revenue, and interest. John Cena was supposed to be the WWE's answer to the departures of Stone Cold and The Rock, but they've completely fucked up his character.

John la Rock

01-06-2006, 01:31 AM

except for Cena is not as over as Austin was. Everybody LOVED Austin. he never got booed EVER during the Attitude era

Kane Knight

01-06-2006, 02:08 AM

except for Cena is not as over as Austin was. Everybody LOVED Austin. he never got booed EVER during the Attitude era

He never made poop jokes or kissed ass like Cena's been made to do either.

The Naitch

01-06-2006, 03:06 AM

My casual fans said that Cena was "cool" back in 2003. WWE dropped the ball on this motherfucker

Londoner

01-06-2006, 04:27 PM

Why is everybody saying turning Cena heel would be bad business for the WWE?I think they've got everything they can out of Cena's face turn,it just seems like typical backwards WWE logic to keep someone who is being boo'ed as a face.

The CyNick

01-06-2006, 08:27 PM

I think it is somewhat similar to what happened to Rock in that they are basically doing the same thing that made them popular and all of a sudden its made them get booed. Cena used to have edgier lyrics back in '03, but he's been pretty lilly white for 2 years and he still got over like crazy. Its only really been since he went over to RAW and has been fueding with guys who are Internet heroes that he's been getting booed by that element of the audience.

Turning him seems logical, but then who do they have who can take over the #1 baby spot on RAW? Becaus eif they dont have someone to take over, then it would be really stupid to turn him.

HBK will never be that guy, for a lot of reasons, but mainly because he's not full time.

I think Angle the way he is now (minus the dumbass troop bashing and Divari) would be over like crazy as a bad ass babyface (ala Austin). But I know they would never do that. Whenever they make Angle a face, he turns into a pussy.

RVD would be another Internet choice, but he's never going to be a top guy in the WWE for a variety of reasons, some are his fault, others aren't.

Who else is there? HHH? Show? Kane? None of them seem like guys who I would want to count on to sell tickets and PPVs.

The only thing I would consider is moving Batista back to RAW as the top baby and leave SD for Rey as the top guy.