Great Blunders of 2005

[KillerWolf]

these are just a few that come to mind.

1. the release of Christian & Jericho - i guess it was either that or sugar coat them and shove them down our throats - and seeing as how they didnt meet the height/weight requirements for this course of action...

2. Shelton Benjamin's Losing Streak - yes. use the most promising rising star to put over a slew of less talented rising stars. :mad: WTF!!! is it cuz he's black?

3. re-vamping of the Women's Division - i do not know or care who is the current Women's Champion. those matches all get fast-forwarded now. thank god for T-VO.
4. cancellation of the Kerwin White character - sorry, but the tragic death of Eddie Guerrero is not going to generate any newfound interest in Chavo classic.

5. wwe homecoming - and any other vehicle that showcases linda, shane, & stephanie. 1. the particular episode was a piece of shit. 2. it teased that the new direction of the company was going to be to re-introduce the macmahon family as the emphasis of wwe programming. thank god that didnt happen.
6. the undertaker's new tights - eek! or as my wife put it, "scary on the top - gay on the bottom."

7. speaking of the undertaker - the wwe's failure to turn him heel.
the man is hated by many, and rightly so. this cocksucker only does pay-per-views. the problem is that between ppv's we are not rid of him because we are 'treated' to 'supernatural video clips from beyond the grave'. man, talk about phoning it in. i guess that to do anything with his character other than a costume modification here and there would require that this lazy prick acutally do a little work, so never mind. but i'm just saying, the undertaker supposedly destroyed Randy Orton in Hell in a Cell at the last ppv, but who is it that has been back since then, performing, quite well in fact? not the undertaker, that's who. [/

[LK]

But they didn't release Chrisitan or Jericho :wtf:

[Y3J]

You missed out Hassan's release

[CharismaInjection]

I disagree about Kerwin White completely.

It would be completely disrespectful for Eddie to have given his life for the business and Kerwin just goes on about how all the latino's suck, when his uncle was a legend.

[CharismaInjection]

oh yeah, what about Hassan as well?

[Innovator]

Jericho and Christian left on their terms

[Y3J]

How exactly did they revamp the Women's Division?

[KillerWolf]

But they didn't release Chrisitan or Jericho :wtf:
yes. you are right. what i meant was their failure to create an environment where those two particular wrestlers could remain and still have their dignity intact.

[Innovator]

How exactly did they revamp the Women's Division?They fired the ones who could wrestle

[KillerWolf]

How exactly did they revamp the Women's Division?

exactly how long have you been watching wrestling, friend?

[KillerWolf]

I disagree about Kerwin White completely.

It would be completely disrespectful for Eddie to have given his life for the business and Kerwin just goes on about how all the latino's suck, when his uncle was a legend.

mkay. well how long do you suppose everyone is gonna go on pretending to like Chavo out of respect for Eddie.

[Y3J]

exactly how long have you been watching wrestling, friend?

Long enough to know I never want to see another Chyna or Man-ly Women

[The Naitch]

women's wrestling is great

[CharismaInjection]

mkay. well how long do you suppose everyone is gonna go on pretending to like Chavo out of respect for Eddie.

I think for a least six months. Remember Eddie only died like a month and a half ago. Once the cheers go down, do what the hell you like, but it would've been wrong for him to still be Kerwin White right now at the moment.

[Y3J]

women's wrestling is great

:lol:

[Kane Knight]

Christian leaving was a failure of the WWE, because of the attitude they had towars him. That was their fault. Jericho may have been unavoidable.

[KillerWolf]

You missed out Hassan's release

this is an open thread and the list i made is not all inclusive, and are my opinion only. i encourage others to add to this thread.

as far as Hassan's release, was it a blunder? in my opinion, yes, definately. i am one of the few people on this forum that feel that the insurgents 'beheding' the undertaker incident was inapropriate material for a wrestling angle. this is neither Hassan's fault nor should it have led to him being released.

i was never a big fan of his because i do not care for "racial" gimmicks. he was, however a good in ring performer with descent mic skills. but i will add that it is also my opinion that Hassan is over-rated on this forum.

[Innovator]

A couple things you missed

-The botching (or in Splaya's case, the ball dropping) of the Matt Hardy/Edge/Lita storyline

-Christian/Cena never happening

-Not just the streak, but everything they've made Shelton do post-WM 21

-WWE creative

[CharismaInjection]

Cena/Christian was happening, but then WWE screwed it up and made it a triple threat??? While I agree Jericho deserved a title shot, it stole Christian's spotlight.

[KillerWolf]

-Christian/Cena never happening



yes. definitely.

[Russenmafia]

Orlando Jordan becoming US Champ.

[jerichoholic169]

A couple things you missed

-The botching (or in Splaya's case, the ball dropping) of the Matt Hardy/Edge/Lita storyline

-Christian/Cena never happening

-Not just the streak, but everything they've made Shelton do post-WM 21

-WWE creative

:y:

in addition to the rest

- completely burying christian on Sd!

- releasing Charlie Haas

[KillerWolf]

failure to use Shawn Micheals as a heel after his match with Hogan - Shawn Micheals was getting the biggest cheers in a long time as a heel vs. Hogan, and as soon as that match was over - faggy babyface character. gay for Jesus.

another blunder: Hogan victorious vs. Shawn Micheals in that match. ^^

[Kane Knight]

Dragging out the poorly executed Orton/Taker feud. I don't mind Taker squashing another up-and-comer as much as I mind how dragged out it is. IF they wanted to carry this to a head somewhere down the line, they should have made it a little less repetitive.

[McLegend]

In WWE defense of burying Christian on SD. He hadn't reworked his contract so they weren't going to push a guy who's future was unstable in the WWE.

[Y3J]

Hogan coming out at Homecoming and starting hype for Hogan vs Austin.

That turned out to be a great feud :D

[Russenmafia]

Hogan coming out at Homecoming and starting hype for Hogan vs Austin.

That turned out to be a great feud :D

wish that feud happened though. The match would suck ass but its a dream match I have wanted to see for a long time.

[Kane Knight]

In WWE defense of burying Christian on SD. He hadn't reworked his contract so they weren't going to push a guy who's future was unstable in the WWE.

They werent going to treat him better period.

They went beyond that, to kill any momentum he had. Honestly, this is a bad place to try and defend the WWE.

[McLegend]

Now The WWE would push Christian with the no steriod policy. He would have been their poster boy. Just like Murdoch is going to be.

They really didn't start to kill him untl like August or September when his contract was up in the air. Before that he was still stuck in the midcard, but not really buried yet

[KillerWolf]

Dragging out the poorly executed Orton/Taker feud. I don't mind Taker squashing another up-and-comer as much as I mind how dragged out it is. IF they wanted to carry this to a head somewhere down the line, they should have made it a little less repetitive.

what a lazy piece of trash the undertaker came off as too. i cant even call that a feud. it was pretty much a one man show where the undertaker's participation was 'implied' most of the time.

[Kane Knight]

Now The WWE would push Christian with the no steriod policy. He would have been their poster boy. Just like Murdoch is going to be.

They really didn't start to kill him untl like August or September when his contract was up in the air. Before that he was still stuck in the midcard, but not really buried yet

You folks keep coming up with hypotheticals, ignoring the fact that Vince was the one who treated him with disregard. Christian was a professional here, Vince was the one who pissed in his cereal. I can understand if you don't like him or whatever, but you're essentially making up these hypotheticals that are meaningless. Christian lost interest when Vince said he was just a midcarder, and left.

I know. Poor Vince. He shit on a potential star, and then he left.

[Kane Knight]

what a lazy piece of trash the undertaker came off as too. i cant even call that a feud. it was pretty much a one man show where the undertaker's participation was 'implied' most of the time.

And lame as fuck.

[Innovator]

WWE basically tried to call a bluff in Christian, thinking there was no way he wouldn't resign with them. Little did they know Christian flopped the nut straight, and walked.

[Kane Knight]

Vince really isn't that great a businessman. He's negotiated himself out of several stars, out of his TV contract on one station (and possibly UPN in the future, the move to Friday is a bad portent), and really...Quite a bit.

[McLegend]

You folks keep coming up with hypotheticals, ignoring the fact that Vince was the one who treated him with disregard. Christian was a professional here, Vince was the one who pissed in his cereal. I can understand if you don't like him or whatever, but you're essentially making up these hypotheticals that are meaningless. Christian lost interest when Vince said he was just a midcarder, and left.

I know. Poor Vince. He shit on a potential star, and then he left.
I will never say poor Vince when the man makes millions of dollars a year. I will never say that. NEVER

He was never in a main event program on Raw and I don't know why I guess could be because of his physique. That's just me speculating on it, but I think it's somewhat reasonable speclation. I wish Christian when he was on RAW was in the main event, but unfortuanately it didn't happen. Christian was very professional throughout his whole career, and had every right to want to move on and I think he made a good decision by leaving. I love Christian Cage in TNA he has made much better IMO, and probably fits in better then he does WWE.

I was talking about when he was on SD in the last 2 or 3 months of his WWE career. No way if your contract still in the air are you gonna get a push. That's just the way it works.

[Kane Knight]

Speculating, and being an apologist.

[Johnny Vegas]

I will not say that Vince McMahon hasn't had some to do with the company's success. However, this man has to realize what the hell he is doing.

-HHH's days as the top man in the business i feel are behind him. He will not draw the way he used to back in 00'-'01. And for him to bury and/or hold down potentials that the WWE will NEED to keep the company running, then that is just selfishness and not looking into the future in his part. Period. I don't really care if i get heat for "HHH bashing" but its the damn truth and everyone knows it. i dont take anything away from what he has done with the likes of Austin, Rock, Mankind, Angle, etc. but you MUST think about the future.

-I personally think Vince has taken in more credit than due. i don't think that Vince told The Rock, Mankind, HHH, or other stars how to use their characters. From what i hear, that was improvision from the actual stars, along with writers. I personally believe the last thing he had something to do with was the "Mr. America" angle and/or those repetitive drafts. Has his name on too much shit.

-Potential fueds that could have been just piss me off. Christian/Cena. That right there could have made Christian one of the premiere babyfaces and Cena a dominant heel. Cena was way over due for a heel turn anyway. Why not do it then. Christian was already getting some "Orton" heel pops. Shelton, i dont even want to get into this that much. The man was one of those guys that made you think "its only a matter of time" when he defeated HHH 2x. But post WM21, i dont know what the hell is going on.

-Paul Heyman should be, if he's still there..i haven't been keeping up, higher up as a booker or official than he is. Ideas, ideas, ideas.....If it wasn't for this man's idea of hardcore wrestling, the WWE wouldn't have had an "Attitude Era". :nono:

Sorry, i just had to rant. i really think that Vince took both WCW and ECW's good points and made his own out of those two, which is a good brainstorm, but he gets WAY too much credit IMO.

Just SOME stuff off my chest.

[Innovator]

Heyman just writes for OVW now

[Schoenauer]

A Blunder of 2005? Keeping Tista and Cena champs for almost a year after WM21.

[Savio]

A Blunder of 2005? Keeping Tista and Cena champs for almost a year after WM21.

[TerranRich]

Am I one of the scant few who actually think it's good that the divas are starting to learn to actually wrestle and not be useless underwear and costume models? I used to like women's wrestling and am glad it's coming back in some form. Hey, at least they got rid of Amy Weber, made Jillian Hall, Candice and Maria wrestle, and sent Michelle McCool down to OVW to train. I think it's a step in the right direction.

As for Christian, WWE really dropped the ball there. He's like the only reason I bother to tune into TNA anymore, and he's not really shining like he should there either.

As for Batista and Cena, I think Batista's doing great as the WHC, for what it's worth. Since Eddie was most likely supposed to win the belt from him at this point, WWE has nothing planned for the WHC, so it's on the backburner until they can straighten things out. Perfectly understandable.

As for Cena, he's getting mixed face and heel reactions (quasi-X-Pac heat), but I think he's doing all right as champion. At least they're not coming anywhere near their 30-something-time title change that occured in 1999 or something like that. They're making the title mean something by making it won only on important occasions and after lengthy storylines and angles.

[Mr. JL]

Anytime I see the Undertaker in the WWE ring, I am reminded of the state of WCW was in when fans began to lose interest because guys like Hogan, Nash and all the old men that wouldn't retire held down the next generation of future stars.

[Londoner]

I agree with most of the things in this thread, Vince really has done shit this year.I guess you could say that a blunder of 2005 was that the roster split continued.

[The MAC]

1. edge kane lita

2. coach at the announce table.

3. cristian & jericho leaving

4. shawn not staying heel

5. juice being fired (lol)

[Kane Knight]

I will not say that Vince McMahon hasn't had some to do with the company's success. However, this man has to realize what the hell he is doing.

-HHH's days as the top man in the business i feel are behind him. He will not draw the way he used to back in 00'-'01. And for him to bury and/or hold down potentials that the WWE will NEED to keep the company running, then that is just selfishness and not looking into the future in his part. Period. I don't really care if i get heat for "HHH bashing" but its the damn truth and everyone knows it. i dont take anything away from what he has done with the likes of Austin, Rock, Mankind, Angle, etc. but you MUST think about the future.

-I personally think Vince has taken in more credit than due. i don't think that Vince told The Rock, Mankind, HHH, or other stars how to use their characters. From what i hear, that was improvision from the actual stars, along with writers. I personally believe the last thing he had something to do with was the "Mr. America" angle and/or those repetitive drafts. Has his name on too much shit.

-Potential fueds that could have been just piss me off. Christian/Cena. That right there could have made Christian one of the premiere babyfaces and Cena a dominant heel. Cena was way over due for a heel turn anyway. Why not do it then. Christian was already getting some "Orton" heel pops. Shelton, i dont even want to get into this that much. The man was one of those guys that made you think "its only a matter of time" when he defeated HHH 2x. But post WM21, i dont know what the hell is going on.

-Paul Heyman should be, if he's still there..i haven't been keeping up, higher up as a booker or official than he is. Ideas, ideas, ideas.....If it wasn't for this man's idea of hardcore wrestling, the WWE wouldn't have had an "Attitude Era". :nono:

Sorry, i just had to rant. i really think that Vince took both WCW and ECW's good points and made his own out of those two, which is a good brainstorm, but he gets WAY too much credit IMO.

Just SOME stuff off my chest.

--HHH could easily be the top heel again, if he actually tried. But he hasn't in nearly 5 years. I used to be a HUGE fan of Triple H, bt it's like watching Hogan or Taker...He's phoning it in. The difference between him and Hogan is that he could probably still do a major and interesting feud, and even put in a few MOTY candidates.

--Vince is one of the luckiest bastards on the planets. Hogan, Austin, and the Rock fell into his lap. It's not to say he's done nothing, but he takes credit for genius.

--Christian Cena was a horrible prick-tease. These fuckers need to wake up.

--Heyman will never get to actually have creative control in the WWE. Which is a shame, since they were looking for Rhods to do some IIRC.

[dablackguy]

Matt Hardy signing on the dotted line..again

[John la Rock]

Definately not having the Cena/Christian WWE championship feud. Should have been the Summerslam main-event

Also not keeping HBK a heel. He was by far the best heel in the business during his summerslam feud with Hogan

And totally burrying Angle in his feud with Cena.

[Nervous Ferret]

John Cena

They had the greatest thing going with him going into 2005 he was so awesome dfhsljhjgjfdg they blew it with him.

[94 SVT Cobra]

A Blunder of 2005? Keeping Tista and Cena champs for almost a year after WM21.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Sounds to me like the greatest blunder for YOU was keeping the TV on. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

[94 SVT Cobra]

Sounds to me like the greatest blunder for YOU was keeping the TV on. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

Luckly i didnt watch wwe for its championship matches, that is if you are talking to me. And have you ever seen a herion addict who says they dont like doing herion...but do it any way? Kinda like me as a wwe fan on some weeks.

[Kane Knight]

Sounds to me like the greatest blunder for YOU was keeping the TV on. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

Losing battle. Everyone and their momma has an excuse for why they keep watching./

[Kane Knight]

Luckly i didnt watch wwe for its championship matches, that is if you are talking to me. And have you ever seen a herion addict who says they dont like doing herion...but do it any way? Kinda like me as a wwe fan on some weeks.

But you DO watch it, tardboy, and that's all they need.

[94 SVT Cobra]

But you DO watch it, tardboy, and that's all they need.

oh im fully aware of that entire statement, ill watch it till i die.....feel like its a marraige really....at least herion gives you a high everytime. WWE...eh last night was nice, but we ALL rare that was.

[Kane Knight]

That's fucking stupid.

But I don't expect any less from you.

[Jaton]

Like defending the husband that beats you?

[Kane Knight]

Like defending the husband that beats you?

Indeed, O'neill.

[94 SVT Cobra]

That's fucking stupid.

But I don't expect any less from you.

As long as we understand each other

[Kane Knight]

Does the ant understand the hand that holds the magnifying glass?

Youdon't understand me. :)

[94 SVT Cobra]

Does the ant understand the hand that holds the magnifying glass?

Youdon't understand me. :)

Does the child holding the magnafying glass understand he could be doing a lot better things? Its all crystal clear KK....crystal

[Kane Knight]

And again, proof that you don't get it. :D

[Anybody Thrilla]

Losing battle. Everyone and their momma has an excuse for why they keep watching./

Oh, I'm not trying to make it a battle. I'm just reminding everyone of the painfully obvious. You know I'm good for that.

[The CyNick]

I dont thinkt hey've made that many mistakes this year in the sense of doing something like the Katie Vick angle or refusing to push WCW, etc.

I think for the most part hey have made the right moves, its just not very entertaining.

Its not like they had a ton of guys who were cazy over and drawing money. They have protected Batista and Cena fairly well, much better than I thought they would.

They kept HHH off TV and even now that he's back, others are allowed to take the spotlight, even though its clear he's coming back for his spot.

They let some programs develop over several months. Taker-Orton, Eddie-Rey, Cena-Angle all had time to develop.

The HBK-Hogan program was done perfectly IMO.

Of course all that said, I have very little interest right now, so maybe that kinda flies in the face of the praise I'm senidng out.

They did let Christian go, but at the same time we all know they never intended on pushing him, so for Christian fans the WWE did us all a favour by not trying to re-sign him.

Eddie being Dominic's son was probably a bad idea, but hey thats life in wrestling.

The Austin-Hogan deal was the right move, but with the egos it was bound to fall aparat.

Cena sucks in the ring, but it hasn't really hurt business in any way, so I cant say thats a really bad thing.

I dont know, I just dont see any glaring errors that they made this year.

[KillerWolf]

The HBK-Hogan program was done perfectly IMO.


yeah, except for the outcome.